Bonus Buys RTP Verses Natural bonuses.

[Sasukdcf]

Yes, it IS split between base game spins and features, in my earlier example the game pays 3/4 (72%) of its RTP in the base game, 1/4 (24%) in feature so just over 96% overall RTP.

All that happens for bonus buys is that you continually play the feature so that 3/4 of base RTP is now allocated to the bonus round too (bought at significant cost of say 100x stake) which is effectively you 'buying' the 3/4 of RTP for base game wins you would have had (on average) and then playing the feature which (on average long term) incorporates this and will pay you 96x bet for each of your 100x purchases. The same as the base game + normal feature would pay you 96% overall in the long term.

If you check game rules on BB slots they will have the RTP listed something like this:

Overall Game = 96.00%
Feature Buy for 100x bet RTP = 96.03%
Super Feature Buy Option for 200x bet RTP = 96.04% (if applicable)

So in other words the rules will list normal RTP plus the RTP figures as if the game was only played on each of the various BB options.

P.S. I just read your last post where you make the incorrect observation that you 'would not be getting the base game 65% if using Bonus Buys!

You do! What's happening is the base game RTP and feature RTP are added together when buying features. like this:

NORMAL:
Base game feature frequency on average = 400 spins.
Feature allocation/proportion of overall RTP = 25%
BONUS BUYS:
Feature Buy cost = 100x spin stake
Using Feature Buys you are sacrificing the 3/4 of the overall RTP the base game would normally pay in those 400 spins.
So Feature is occurring in reality 4 times more than it would in 'normal' play (1/400 spins.)
So your Feature Buy RTP is 4 times more than the 25% of overall game RTP it's allocated in normal play.
Therefore using bonus buys, 100% of the game's stated RTP is allocated to the feature.

Perhaps @trancemonkey would explain it more simply than I have.

Hi Sorry for slow reply and thank you for taking the time to post yours.... so again you guys lose me alittle with your knowledge but are we saying that bonus buys incorperate the rtp from the base and therefore payout more pro rata ? over a long period of time?

 

[dunover]

Hi Sorry for slow reply and thank you for taking the time to post yours.... so again you guys lose me alittle with your knowledge but are we saying that bonus buys incorperate the rtp from the base and therefore payout more pro rata ? over a long period of time?

Yes, in fact over a fairly short space of time, depending on the 'lumpiness' (volatility) of the feature. You will see separate RTP figure for bonus buys which could be the same as 'normal' RTP or slightly higher. Playing normally, you could take hundreds of thousands of spins, millions even, to get within +/- 1% of stated RTP, again depending on volatility. The same principle applies to the bonus buys - on a fairly low volatility buy (say on BTG's White Rabbit) you'd likely be pretty much there after 50-100 buys, whereas on a NLC one or say DoA2 it could take hundreds of features during which you'd need probably to hit one of the crazy 10,000x - plus wins.

 

[Sasukdcf]

Yes, in fact over a fairly short space of time, depending on the 'lumpiness' (volatility) of the feature. You will see separate RTP figure for bonus buys which could be the same as 'normal' RTP or slightly higher. Playing normally, you could take hundreds of thousands of spins, millions even, to get within +/- 1% of stated RTP, again depending on volatility. The same principle applies to the bonus buys - on a fairly low volatility buy (say on BTG's White Rabbit) you'd likely be pretty much there after 50-100 buys, whereas on a NLC one or say DoA2 it could take hundreds of features during which you'd need probably to hit one of the crazy 10,000x - plus wins.

Hi Again

So therefore (and I am sure this has been said on here but I dont trawl the posts )

The UKGC have literally shoved both Fists up our arses with the BB ban as it means its takes way more to even hit a bonus much of the time and when we do it will be likely be sub that of a BB as it has a lower RTP.....

 

[korensdervs]

They removed auto play, gotta love em for that

 

[SlotLover4U]

Just wondering after reading all of this.
Many times Max Wins are achieved by buying bonuses. And not just the regular bonuses, but Super bonuses, with all scatters. Or more features.
These Super bonuses are hard to get in normal base game. And I guess that's a massive understatement.
I never even came close to get a super bonus in normal base game play.

E.g. in San Quentin you can get 5 scatters naturally I presume, but I have never seen it happen unfortunately.
The extra scatters can be bought and in this game really add good extra features to the bonus (2 more wilds for all scatters), which means you have a higher chance of achieving a max win.

So even though the RTP discussion might not make a difference in the long long run.
But getting super bonuses in base game with extra features is theoretically possbile (I think) but practically will cost you a billion spins to get.
And there lies a big difference when you cannot BB. Your chances of Max win where extra scatters really make a difference is so much less, than if you can buy the super bonuses.

So the big big wins, are out of reach if you cannot BB in my opinion. And that's an unfair advantage brought on to you by the people who say the have your best interests at heart.....

 

[SlotLover4U]

They removed auto play, gotta love em for that

Yeah, another crazy idea of not protecting the players you say you want to protect with this forbidden feature.

As I don't like clicking my fingers off when grinding a slot, I use some auto clicker program.
I guess more players do that in countries where auto play is forbidden.
With a result that sometimes after a decent hit, it doesn't stop, as it's an external auto clicker.
I also cannot limit it to 100 clicks. It's either click or not.

Whereas if I could use the feature meant for that, I can stop at a bonus, or a big win, or after 100 spins.
So by removing it, players look for alternatives and are worse off than with the feature enabled.

I just wish some people responsible for these decisions would read these topics.

 

[Itaghai]

I also cannot limit it to 100 clicks. It's either click or not.

Hopefully, soon you will be.
I'm developing a program to record the spins with integrated auto spin, where you can set the stopping conditions, either it's win over x amount, lose over x amount, hit a bonus or feature, or the classic, after x spins.

It's fully working for relax gaming, hacksaw gaming, push gaming, elk studios,avatarUX and Quickspin slots, but I want to integrate more providers before releasing it.
Pragmatic play is a pain in the ass to integrate, Play n Go and NoLimit City are almost impossible with their encryption.

Also, I took a two month break from the developments was something else came up.
Here's a sneak peek:

 

[SlotLover4U]

Hopefully, soon you will be.

Surely very interested in that. Keep it going please. Looking forward!