Question Reporting Microgaming?

[RedPhase]

I get it...its a business, addiction factors in, rng and rtp is a thing etc.

However, given the recent complaints concerning Immortal Romance, a team of addicts, myself included, decided to see what all the fuzz was about, so we decided to bank up and play 25k spins in 7 days on both the funny money version and the big boy pants real live version.

The results were horrendous and shocking to be honest.

Methodology:
Two simultaneous sessions in seperate browsers and on seperate logins.

Split screen view
Both new accounts. - no bonus

Lowest amount stakes

Screenshot big earnings
Record the entire session


So this took roughly 9h a day on average because of browser crashes, and what not weird serverside issues and the total player count tally concurrently playing went from 32k players early on to 9.4k in the same time slots.

Rtp? Less than 40% on both free and paid play.

I'm not going to be the judge on whether or not 25k spins x2 would make for sufficient data, but it's something to go by...


And dear Microgaming...none of us are imbeciles or unreasonably greedy, but when you spin for 1k turns to activate a bonus round...its devastatingly demoralising to get .01x your stakes back. And it happened several times.

Also, wild desire leaves a lot to desire, for us we desired it not to occur because it was an absurd waste of time...

You are literally taking a piss at your customers with these numbers and it shows reflected in the immense drop-off of concurrent active users.

A damn shame and so we would like to ask you guys on here...should we report this statistical anomaly?

 

[Jono777]

Lifetime fave game until flash/download stopped and several HTML5 horror shows appeared then I abandoned ship VERY quickly.

Today's version is simply NOT the same game as when released, bit like Bonanza

Greed sets in, regulating bodies show they're clueless, providers take advantage, players get fucked sideways. The End.

 

[Valhalla]

It is absolutely without doubt "different" nowadays, and anyone saying otherwise either doesn't play it or just can't bring themselves to believe anyone in the industry could be deceptive.
I've said in another thread recently that (like @Jono777) it was my favourite game for years, but nowadays I can barely stomach 10 spins on it because it is just DEAD.

BONG one scatter
Dead spin
BONG one scatter
BONG one scatter
Dead spin
Dead spin

...you get the idea.
Good luck reporting MGS or anyone else. Your report will fall on deaf ears.

 

[RedPhase]

I will focus on adressing ears with hearing capabilities intact then and also add to it, that we are currently negotiating for an interview with a former employee of a leading game supplier where the relation has gone sour and the individual is contemplating "spilling his guts" on the industry, potentially affirming many conspiracies out there.

 

[brianmon]

I get it...its a business, addiction factors in, rng and rtp is a thing etc.

However, given the recent complaints concerning Immortal Romance, a team of addicts, myself included, decided to see what all the fuzz was about, so we decided to bank up and play 25k spins in 7 days on both the funny money version and the big boy pants real live version.

The results were horrendous and shocking to be honest.

Methodology:
Two simultaneous sessions in seperate browsers and on seperate logins.

Split screen view
Both new accounts. - no bonus

Lowest amount stakes

Screenshot big earnings
Record the entire session


So this took roughly 9h a day on average because of browser crashes, and what not weird serverside issues and the total player count tally concurrently playing went from 32k players early on to 9.4k in the same time slots.

Rtp? Less than 40% on both free and paid play.

I'm not going to be the judge on whether or not 25k spins x2 would make for sufficient data, but it's something to go by...


And dear Microgaming...none of us are imbeciles or unreasonably greedy, but when you spin for 1k turns to activate a bonus round...its devastatingly demoralising to get .01x your stakes back. And it happened several times.

Also, wild desire leaves a lot to desire, for us we desired it not to occur because it was an absurd waste of time...

You are literally taking a piss at your customers with these numbers and it shows reflected in the immense drop-off of concurrent active users.

A damn shame and so we would like to ask you guys on here...should we report this statistical anomaly?

It would be interesting to know which Casino(s) you were playing at.
Some have the (original) highest RTP of 97%, some are running the 94% version, a few are at 92%, and I believe there's even a 90% version too, although I haven't seen it anywhere

 

[RedPhase]

It would be interesting to know which Casino(s) you were playing at.
Some have the (original) highest RTP of 97%, some are running the 94% version, a few are at 92%, and I believe there's even a 90% version too, although I haven't seen it anywhere

Bwin/leovegas/mariacasino/vd
100k spins total,25k each.

200k spins total when adding the mirrored free play spins (funny money)

 

[Jono777]

I will focus on adressing ears with hearing capabilities intact then and also add to it, that we are currently negotiating for an interview with a former employee of a leading game supplier where the relation has gone sour and the individual is contemplating "spilling his guts" on the industry, potentially affirming many conspiracies out there.

Really hope this pans out, I'll abandon my "TV Time" that night and read the lot.

Trouble is at this point, usually the brown envelopes or horse heads start appearing.

 

[RedPhase]

Really hope this pans out, I'll abandon my "TV Time" that night and read the lot.

Trouble is at this point, usually the brown envelopes or horse heads start appearing.

We do too. Albeit we have the outmost respect for this individual and his hesitance to do so, given the litigious threats that could ensue, but we are working on a plan to negate it while also ensuring a potent content that exceeds hearsay.

Edit:

It will likely be a podcast where we introduce ourselves and hopefully learn a bit and catch a glimpse of behind the scenes.

 

[mack341]

Well I suppose at least the demo version wasn't jacked up in comparison. I had a thought microgaming might be swedish but according to wiki:
Microgaming is a privately held gambling software company based in the Isle of Man
There are strange, lurid tales about the manx Why not report it, be interesting just to see the response, how the regulator can be sure the games are the rtp they say they are.

 

[RedPhase]

Well I suppose at least the demo version wasn't jacked up in comparison. I had a thought microgaming might be swedish but according to wiki:
Microgaming is a privately held gambling software company based in the Isle of Man
There are strange, lurid tales about the manx Why not report it, be interesting just to see the response, how the regulator can be sure the games are the rtp they say they are.

I concur. The demo did show up on the fasttrack early on, presumably to spur on players, but there is no hard evidence of that. I WILL however pursue this, my name is already tarnished and I've been banned ever since I critiqued book of oz lock n spin for foul play (they never did correct the code btw)

 

[Deeplay]

This used to be one of the great games along with TS2 which I would play for hours back in the day when 32red were a very decent casino. Then when it switched from Viper to browser it was never the same. I dont think they had to mess with the mechanics of the game other than dropping the RTP that was sufficient to kill this game.

Plus the graphics / sounds of both IR and TS 2 are by now a sorry shadow of its former glory. Last time I played IR on a crypto last year it was dull to say the least. Didnt hang around long and only did a few 100 spins. And to think they were times I would see my play counter on the old viper client go past well 2k in spins in a session - even more sometimes. And win or loose loved the game.

The upside I suppose of all the changes is my total deposits must be less than 1k this year - whereas back in the day I would / could 10x that amount in the same time frame. And almost all my play this year at 3dice. MG were one time top of the league and these days who even notices when they release a new game!

 

[RedPhase]

This used to be one of the great games along with TS2 which I would play for hours back in the day when 32red were a very decent casino. Then when it switched from Viper to browser it was never the same. I dont think they had to mess with the mechanics of the game other than dropping the RTP that was sufficient to kill this game.

Plus the graphics / sounds of both IR and TS 2 are by now a sorry shadow of its former glory. Last time I played IR on a crypto last year it was dull to say the least. Didnt hang around long and only did a few 100 spins. And to think they were times I would see my play counter on the old viper client go past well 2k in spins in a session - even more sometimes. And win or loose loved the game.

The upside I suppose of all the changes is my total deposits must be less than 1k this year - whereas back in the day I would / could 10x that amount in the same time frame. And almost all my play this year at 3dice. MG were one time top of the league and these days who even notices when they release a new game!

Interesting. I'm also baffled to discover that several variants exists pertaining to rtp. That I wasnt aware of but 40 percent is still abysmal compared to 90.

 

[Jono777]

Nothing more satisfying, especially as a low roller, having a 3rd reel turn wild, begging the symbols to line up and then seeing that 4th drop of blood come down and Sarah and Amber landing on the other reel.

Together with an awesome sound track, this game was IMO "Simply the Best, Better than all the rest!"

Why when these developers are on to something magnificent, popular and successful do they continue to flush it down the toilet?

 

[justdoit]

any one won max win in Microgaming like they advertising MAX WIN £500.000 MAX WIN £325.000 ?

 

[RedPhase]

any one won max win in Microgaming like they advertising MAX WIN £500.000 MAX WIN £325.000 ?

150 quid is all I ever got.

 

[justdoit]

150 quid is all I ever got.

I won two times about 1000x never again

 

[brianmon]

Bwin/leovegas/mariacasino/vd
100k spins total,25k each.

200k spins total when adding the mirrored free play spins (funny money)

Bwin uses the 97% (96.86%) I don't pay at any of those others so I can't comment on which version they use.
Videoslots use 94% and all the Skill-on-net sites use 92%.

I still always check the RTP before I play anything these days, at any casino. Just in case they've switched to a lower RTP version since I last played there

 

[RedPhase]

*** UPDATE ***

It looks like we've got the ok for the podcast interview!!

If anyone has any questions pertaining to the behind the scene shenanigans, then kindly post them here.

Goal of the interview is to sort through the myths, seperate rumors from facts and hopefully try to understand the reasoning behind the many processes that take place in that world.

 

[RedPhase]

Bwin uses the 97% (96.86%)

Those numbers seem exceedingly off

 

[Valhalla]

any one won max win in Microgaming like they advertising MAX WIN £500.000 MAX WIN £325.000 ?

Not even close - my biggest win on Microgaming slots is (albeit respectable) around 4000x my 90p bet on Game of Thrones; a full screen of Stark symbols in free spins.
Also I've only ever seen full Wild Desire/Wild Storm on 30p/60p bets (not me though) unless anyone else can show me something different.

 

[justdoit]

Not even close - my biggest win on Microgaming slots is (albeit respectable) around 4000x my 90p bet on Game of Thrones; a full screen of Stark symbols in free spins.
Also I've only ever seen full Wild Desire/Wild Storm on 30p/60p bets (not me though) unless anyone else can show me something different.

is some old games I like on microgaming but I just dont play much, when i see all this max win they advertise and no one win is something wrong

 

[lord flashheart]

Well I suppose at least the demo version wasn't jacked up in comparison. I had a thought microgaming might be swedish but according to wiki:
Microgaming is a privately held gambling software company based in the Isle of Man
There are strange, lurid tales about the manx Why not report it, be interesting just to see the response, how the regulator can be sure the games are the rtp they say they are.

Pretty sure Demo versions are regulated sort of... in the UK the have to play the same as the real thing - i.e no tweaked RTP or programmed separately to give a false impression of the game. OP location says Copenhagen so would imagine the EU would have something similar in place regardless of the individual licenses granted by each country....

Isle of Man eh??? remember pre UKGC when that was pretty much the gold standard for gaming licenses???

 

[Webzcas]

Pretty sure Demo versions are regulated sort of... in the UK the have to play the same as the real thing - i.e no tweaked RTP or programmed separately to give a false impression of the game.

Yes most certainly used to be the case and I am guessing very likely to be the same now. I am sure one of the reps on here can also confirm.

Even back in the early 2000's when I worked at Ladbrokes in Gibraltar, the free play versions operated on the same gaming servers as the real play games and used the same RNG and the RTP subsequently was the same between both.

 

[irish-ranger]

It is absolutely without doubt "different" nowadays, and anyone saying otherwise either doesn't play it or just can't bring themselves to believe anyone in the industry could be deceptive.
I've said in another thread recently that (like @Jono777) it was my favourite game for years, but nowadays I can barely stomach 10 spins on it because it is just DEAD.

BONG one scatter
Dead spin
BONG one scatter
BONG one scatter
Dead spin
Dead spin

...you get the idea.
Good luck reporting MGS or anyone else. Your report will fall on deaf ears.

A response from the" Isle of man" will be no doubt be on route spouting pure and utter shite..

 

[Valhalla]

Despite my better judgement, I had another quick game on Immortal Romance just now over on Grosvenor.
I've had an account on that casino for approx 7 years, and going by the pay table I've yet to get free spins on IR. I appreciate that that has probably reset at some point so perhaps I did somewhere along the line, but I don't remember it, and it certainly wasn't recent if so.

Played about 100 spins, 2 scatter a few times, 1 scatter 50 times probably (bong bong f*cking BONG), biggest win was 6x.
The game is complete toss. It used to be good, but somewhere in recent times it has been rebuilt to be a money making scam and nothing more. And yes I know 100 spins is not remotely close to a test sample, but given my last win on the game was maybe 5 years ago, and I've dabbled here and there across countless casinos, I'm sure that number of spins played is orders of magntude bigger... I've never once left the game so much as one penny up.

I'm watching videos of people playing it on free play mode and even they can't win when its nothing ?

What a garbage game Immortal Romance is now. What a total tragedy.