Nedplay ALLOWS Cheaters

[vinylweatherman]

I am pleased to announce that 32Red is on board fully in this investigation:

Hi Roanan,



Thanks very much for bringing this to our attention and we will investigate the activity of these individuals at 32Red and we have also asked our software providers to do the same across the Multi Player network.



Ill keep you posted on developments and well done on the great piece of super sleuthing!



Kind regards



Pat Harrison

Operations Director



32Red

6 times winner of

Casinomeister Best Casino

Have you pointed Pat to this thread. It contains our own theories and deductions. This should help the investigation, as they will know what to look for as "linking factors". They will have access to their own security systems, which will be able to tell whether this looks like a group of "linked accounts", or merely a far fetched, but genuine, coincidence.

Currently, it rather looks like the multiple accounters are targeting these tournaments, since the net has tightened on free chips and welcome bonuses.

Remember also, that accounts are generally audited upon the first WITHDRAWAL, and if none of these have submitted their first, there will be nothing to trigger an audit.

If they are this clever, they could be using sit n go tournaments to transfer their ill gotten gains to "clean" accounts that HAVE passed audits.

If they have 5 aliases, they all join the same sit n go, and can control which accounts dump to others. It might be worth looking to see if there are sit n go events where all 5 seats have been taken solely by these suspect aliases. This method will move 90% of the money, the other 10% is lost. 3 "clean" accounts are needed to come in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. The aliases that need to avoid scrutiny will come 4th and 5th, dumping to the top 3, which can eventually withdraw the proceeds.
Unlike poker, MGS may simply not be looking out for this, and it may be going undetected. It certainly seems that multiple accounting in the main tournaments is going on undetected.

 

[Jasminebed]

I had to create a new Alias for the Grand Slam of Slots at 32Red. Thought this morning I would try joining the weekend feeder at both GoWild (Jasminebed) and 32Red (Linda_Bee). I did withdraw at GoWild before the start of the tourney.

Pretty sure I could have played at both, but didn't want to cheat, or even have the appearance of attempting to cheat.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I had to create a new Alias for the Grand Slam of Slots at 32Red. Thought this morning I would try joining the weekend feeder at both GoWild (Jasminebed) and 32Red (Linda_Bee). I did withdraw at GoWild before the start of the tourney.

Pretty sure I could have played at both, but didn't want to cheat, or even have the appearance of attempting to cheat.

According to MGS, THIS is now OK. They changed the rules to suit operator demand for the Grand Slam. You would STILL be using a single account at each of the casinos. MGS introduced "rebuy", so it is no longer such a big advantage to have a different alias at each MGS casino.

What has started this off is the suggestion that a player has multiple aliases at Nedplay, and maybe at other casinos. This is NOT OK, since only ONE account per person is allowed at each casino.

If MGS do not want the rule change for the Grand Slam to be permanent, it is THEIR responsibility to undo the change they made that allowed multiple aliases across the network, and knock out the duplicates.

It may not be a single player, but a group of players conspiring to rinse these small field tournaments by flooding each with as many of "their" aliases as possible.

This would be particularly effective for the few tournaments that are REALLY free, having no continues - even if they DO have rebuys.

 

[Roanan]

Have you pointed Pat to this thread.

Of course, I have been using the 'a picture is worth 1000 words' analogy with everyone I have discussed this with and they all get pointed to the thread.

Pat was online bright and early this morning reading it (I know, I was watching his status on his page. Damn stalkers )

 

[Roanan]

From the network wide Weekend Feeder:

32Red, as part of their investigation, have escalated this to Microgaming themselves, so these people should get caught as well.

 

[Roanan]

Did you happen to notice that you actually caught two cheaters with the same screenshot?

 

[Roanan]

Goddammit Nedplay...will you get off your asses and say or do something about this?

 

[vinylweatherman]

It is clearly in the interests of both MGS and operators to get to the bottom of this. The MGS tournaments have long been criticised for aspects of unfairness, and an unreasonable level of technical problems that have caused actual loss to participants (paying, and being unable to compete, or finish).

Now, this suggests WIDESPREAD "cheating" by groups of players, who seem to be exploiting the many bugs in the system, and the former "we don't really give a damn" attitude experienced from MGS when earlier problems with these tournaments were escalated to MGS.

I escalated a "paid, but couldn't play" issue through 32Red LAST CHRISTMAS for their tournament, the last I heard was that they had escalated this to Microgaming. I HAVE YET TO RECEIVE ANY REPLY back down the chain - they just "don't give a damn". It was "only $2".

These constant problems have made the tournaments less attractive, but the idea, with pretty good evidence, that "cheating rings" are comitting a widespread milking of these tournaments is going to severely damage the trust other players have in them, and they will stop playing. This wll lead to a situation where MGS and operators stand to lose money due to the reduced fields not even covering the prize pools in many of the "free" and low cost tournaments with modest prizes. The individual amounts may be small, but they add up. Fear of being cheated will even deter players from playing in the big tournaments, even though these cheaters are probably steering clear because profit is not guaranteed, even with a hundred aliases.

The fact that these cheaters ALSO seem to possess "super user" powers, like being able to consistently use all their coins in the Hitman tournaments, will further support the view that it is not just about multiple aliases, but that they may have an intrinsic unfair advantage when playing due perhaps to a "hack" of the system.

The revelations in poker demonstrate that this can, and DOES happen, sometimes at the level of "insider". The poker scenario was being able to see others hole cards, and maybe the MGS tournament "hack" is unlimited time, or worse, more "continues" than you are supposed to get.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Very dismayed to see that the Nedplay rep on here hasent repsonded in ANY fashion whatsoever. A truly poor casino in my opinion and what is turning out to be a very shady operation

 

[Roanan]

It has been noted here and in another thread that DutchRobin is experiencing medical issues and is not expected to be able to do much, but this still does not excuse Nedplay's apparent lack of action regarding this.

It's been SIX DAYS since my suspicions were aroused and I started this thread, and we can all clearly see that it has developed into something far more serious, and directly affects at least three MG casinos, as well as exposing a variety of other users with multiple accounts defrauding the network-wide tournaments.

32Red were all over it a like a dirty shirt, but as 'CasinoMeister's Best Casino of 2008' this is exactly how I expected them to respond, but Jackpot Factory hasn't even acknowledged receipt of my emails and Nedplay's one response was of the bland, cut and paste variety.

The fact that 32Red has taken this issue directly to Microgaming, leaves me to believe that an eventual resolution will be forthcoming, but the silence from the other principles involved disgusts me.

 

[Casinomeister]

Just received word from Dutchrobin that they are investigating this.

 

[Roanan]

Just received word from Dutchrobin that they are investigating this.

Hooray...thank you.

I was just about to fire up Nedplay and gather my daily collection of screenshots to post, but I guess I can skip that now.

 

[De Beuker]

Our friend/friends did pretty wel in the Treasure Quest tourney..

I found almost all of them, but its too scattered througout the pages to take screenies, this one is most important.
The 2 or 3 I could not find I might have overlooked, with 3800 names I'm not going to double-check, lol.

Another small note, not one of the names shows in the "Friday1000" Hitman tournament that starts tonight.
Almost 900 ppl registred, but not a single one of our 'friends'.
This might also indicate that its only one person..

 

[Roanan]

Our friend/friends did pretty wel in the Treasure Quest tourney..

I found almost all of them, but its too scattered througout the pages to take screenies, this one is most important.
The 2 or 3 I could not find I might have overlooked, with 3800 names I'm not going to double-check, lol.

Another small note, not one of the names shows in the "Friday1000" Hitman tournament that starts tonight.
Almost 900 ppl registred, but not a single one of our 'friends'.
This might also indicate that its only one person..

What casino is this?

 

[De Beuker]

What casino is this?

Sorry, this is Wild Jack, a Jackpot Factory casino.

 

[Roanan]

Sorry, this is Wild Jack, a Jackpot Factory casino.

Ahh...the group that hasn't even acknowledged receiving my emails.

 

[De Beuker]

Ahh...the group that hasn't even acknowledged receiving my emails.

Thats strange, as these tourneys are by far the most profitable ones with a top prize of $1000.-
Maybe its a better idea to notify the casinorep. here on the forum, or have you already done that?

 

[bernynhel]

Check the entire list of players from the last tourney, I've picked these names only from the first 100

samsulnp
secbajnp
adykarnp
mijbarnp
alibosnp
edijamnp
fikdabnp
jojkornp
josasanp
gorhulnp
harkurnp
anabilnp
dusprinp
edikojnp
jansarnp
amisuknp
afaolonp
enebajnp
jospatnp

All 8 digits, all np as the last 2.
But ofcourse this all just a coincidence, nothing fishy...just a group of 'friends'
Yeah right...

XXXXXXnp = non-person or non-player, maybe short for "nobody" in some languages? But, considering the size of the "family" and their collective "luck" I'd bet dimes to doughnuts that these aliases all represent some-damn-thing-who-knows-what?! Of this I am quite certain.

 

[bernynhel]

Which MGs have exclusive tourneys? I had to format my computer and lost all casinos. So far I've re-installed 32red, All Jackpots, GoWild and Royal Joker.

I'm checking All Jackpots now, will update if any of my MGs have exclusive tourneys.

EDIT: Seems none of my MGs have exclusive tourneys. Couldn't check Royal Joker as I need my account number and live chat has been offline for a day now.

EDIT2: I also The Gaming Club, they have an exclusive DVd player tourney. Nothing fishy in the player list yet but it doesn't start for 1 day and 10 hours.

Belle Rock Ents, Ltd, The Jackpot Factory Group, Gamshare, Ltd (Grand Mondial), And The Villento Group and Red Flush all run exclusive tournaments.

About a month ago Microgaming quit recognizing tournament players across different sites which means that a player must now choose a new alias if registering for a tournament at a casino where they had not played in a tournament before. At casinos where the player had registered and played prior to this change, one alias worked at all sites and the player was prompted to enter their original alias. The new dealio forces multi-aliases and offers players multiple entries in tournaments that are shared by multiple Microgaming casinos. It's almost as if MG wants players to abuse the tournaments.

 

[Roanan]

XXXXXXnp = non-person or non-player

That was a partial list of some of the player names found in a Nedplay Exclusive Freeroll, so the NP is assumed to designate that account as being such, but the first part of the names keep popping up in other places, some with a different ending, like 32 in the case of the one I found on 32Red, or no ending at all, but are identical otherwise.

I know it's turned into a long thread very quickly, especially with the screenshots, but reading it all will make what is happening very clear.

 

[Roanan]

Thats strange, as these tourneys are by far the most profitable ones with a top prize of $1000.-
Maybe its a better idea to notify the casinorep. here on the forum, or have you already done that?

Of course. Guestbook, PM and email but the last post made by the Jackpot Factory rep was in September.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Belle Rock Ents, Ltd, The Jackpot Factory Group, Gamshare, Ltd (Grand Mondial), And The Villento Group and Red Flush all run exclusive tournaments.

About a month ago Microgaming quit recognizing tournament players across different sites which means that a player must now choose a new alias if registering for a tournament at a casino where they had not played in a tournament before. At casinos where the player had registered and played prior to this change, one alias worked at all sites and the player was prompted to enter their original alias. The new dealio forces multi-aliases and offers players multiple entries in tournaments that are shared by multiple Microgaming casinos. It's almost as if MG wants players to abuse the tournaments.

This is the problem, they may NOT be breaking the rules, merely USING the new arrangement to full advantage. What this new arrangement does NOT allow though, is multiple aliases in casino exclusive tournaments.

The main tournament where the new arrangement could be an advantage is the weekender. Although the rebuys and continues cost $20, only 4 rebuys are allowed, so having 2 aliases doubles the chances, even though it doubles the cost. It ALSO allows more than one prize to be won, which would NOT happen if 8 rebuys were played on one account, rather than two lots of 4 on 2 accounts.

The MGS wide free tournaments can be "abused" in a sense, but entirely legally. The first round is free, and then there are paid continues. However, by having different aliases in many MGS casinos, a player would have many free first rounds, from which they could select their best for continues.

 

[Wildfire7]

This situation is clearly intolerable to the honest and fair player who only has good intentions. It is surprising that players even need to bring this to a casinos attention.
Surely casinos should know what is going on in their own house?

Boycotting tournaments completely from the casinos who let this practice go on is one way to vote with your feet. Player apathy is a powerful weapon to use against any casino who endorses this behaviour or fails to clean up its act.

Mike

 

[Roanan]

Hooray, DutchRobin is back answering messages and I got this today from him:

Hi Roanan,

Thank you very much for your information. We have escalated this issue and we have determined that there are cheaters playing in our tournaments. You can be sure that we will determine who they are and that we will take the appropriate stes to ban these players.

I will make sure you will receive a proper reward for this information.

Thank you very much!

Kind Regards,
Robin

 

[Roanan]

Damn, they had a good haul today: