Marty Davis - Gambling Wages rep trying to assist players

[MartyDavis]

Friday Update!

Here is the Friday Update...

To further our efforts to resolve player issues and inform players who do not read the forums management is working on some ideas in order to reach out to them...we should have more information in coming days.

Thank you once again for your support, comments and questions and more importantly the opportunity to continue resolving player issues. Please PM or email with your player issues.

Regards,

Marty Davis
[email protected]

 

[mysticjoz]

I PM'd Marty this morning in regards to the question that some members feel has been ignored. Once again he was very prompt and called me so that we could discuss it.
If I understand him correctly then I am now aware that they personally don't have access to everyones records, RTG does. This is why it is so important that any player who is or feels they are owed funds by those casinos that he is overseeing PM him personally. He then contacts RTG to retrieve that players history. Then they do a complete review of that account to determine the appropriate action and/or exactly how much is owed.
So, they do not have that information right in front of them, althought that would be extremely convenient and I am sure would also make his job a heck of alot easier, it's not the case.
Word is spreading across all sorts of forums that any player who feels they are still owed money only needs to contact him and he will do all the leg work and research in order to find out if it is indeed the case of a player being owed and just how much they are due.
They are working on trying to find another way to contact the players.
As he said to me this morning, he had actually been contacted by a player who made one deposit and used 16 free chips, then won and felt that they were entitled to the entire win. Even the casinos on the accredited list have max cashout rules on free chips!
Hopefully your question has been answered as to "why do the casinos have to rely on forums to find players owed money?" I understand you feel that "the casino should have record of all these players" but IF I understand him correctly RTG has all this information. If you don't feel it has been answered to your satisfaction then please PM him. I am sure you will recieve a reply!
So, once again I am going to give credit where credit is due & I don't care if I am repeating myself because this guy is working night and day to clear up player issues! He deserves credit for what he is accomplishing! Kudos to you Marty!! Keep up the good work!:notworthy

 

[all4greed]

Paying out to all screwed players should be the ultimate goal but please pause and consider the number of claims that could flood in simultaneously if they were to contact the players...

I wonder if a limit has been set for total player payouts. I won't ask for obvious reasons...

 

[LaurieJim]

Fed Ex delivered my check this morning, put it in the bank, they have put a 7-10 day hold on it awaiting clearing from the makers bank.

Just wanted to thank Marty for checking into my old account and taking care of a long over due problem, i hope that you continue on this quest to get past player paid, you seem to be doing well and keeping your word on this issue and i wish you the best of luck and wish you well, you have been respectful with me on the phone as well as others and have shown respect for this forum and its members, takes alot of guts to come on here and say what you plan on doing and sticking to it.


Laurie

 

[jod5413]

Mysticjoz,

You mentioned this "As he said to me this morning, he had actually been contacted by a player who made one deposit and used 16 free chips, then won and felt that they were entitled to the entire win. Even the casinos on the accredited list have max cashout rules on free chips!" in your earlier post.

Wasn't that partly the problem you had and why they didn't pay you back when? You had a lifetime history of more free cash than deposited cash at one of those casinos, Palace of Chance maybe? Something like that.

 

[mysticjoz]

Mysticjoz,

You mentioned this "As he said to me this morning, he had actually been contacted by a player who made one deposit and used 16 free chips, then won and felt that they were entitled to the entire win. Even the casinos on the accredited list have max cashout rules on free chips!" in your earlier post.

Wasn't that partly the problem you had and why they didn't pay you back when? You had a lifetime history of more free cash than deposited cash at one of those casinos, Palace of Chance maybe? Something like that.

No. That wasn't the issue at all, it was an accusation by a couple of thieves and if you read the whole thread you would see that it was a bogus excuse. There was also a second thread to verify that fact entitled "the dirty little secrets behind palace of chance" in which it states that my RJ was won on a deposit. All of my numbers had been gone over repeatedly and it came out that my deposits exceeded my bonuses. Marty can attest to this fact as they go over a players complete history before issuing any past due payments. Had that been the problem then Marty would not have paid me.

 

[jod5413]

Take a chill pill, Mysticjoz. I wasn't accusing you, I guess my post was not specific enough. I remember your thread and what went on, but that WAS a while ago. And I often do not write things properly.

I simply meant wasn't that their "excuse" for not paying you? I am senile and old and have a really bad memory. Sorry for upsetting you. Of course I am happy that Marty got you and Laurijim paid. I'd be pretty damn awful to NOT want you guys and everyone else paid.

In fact, wasn't there one guy that tried through Casinomeister to get something like a million dollars paid that he won fair and square a few years ago?

Oh Marty??????? Where are you? Know anything about this person?

 

[mysticjoz]

No offense taken., just stating facts. I have not participated in much here at CM in quite some time and like I said before, I only posted my current positive experience for a few reasons, one was because I felt that it was the least I could do out of respect and consideration for all of the CM members who had been involved in the original thread surrounding my negative experience. the second being that if it helps to get the word out that there is finally someone working for GW who is following through on his word and getting players who are long overdue winnings...paid. Then hopefully more players will come forward and in fact be paid any legit winnings that they are entitled to.

 

[suzecat]

Maybe you are thinking about acepedro? https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/club-player-owes-me-134-350-20.13415/

 

[maxd]

Maybe you are thinking about acepedro? https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/club-player-owes-me-134-350-20.13415/

I've sent PM and email to the player in question regarding Marty's offer.

 

[RobWin]

I've sent PM and email to the player in question regarding Marty's offer.

Hey Max, Not sure if you saw this previous post on page #9 here or not that Marty posted where he did answer my question regarding acepedro45. He stated that the player had been paid but thats all he said there on the issue. He never stated how much the player was paid or whether or not he was paid in full or not.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...ing-wages-rep-trying-to-assist-players.37533/
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[maxd]

Ah yes, now that you mention it I do recall that. Thanks.

 

[RobWin]

Ah yes, now that you mention it I do recall that. Thanks.

I should have went on to say there in the post above though that I still think its a good idea for you to try to get in touch with acepedro45, just to confirm the fact that Marty stated that he had been paid. So good job on sending off the email to acepedro45!
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[vinylweatherman]

No. That wasn't the issue at all, it was an accusation by a couple of thieves and if you read the whole thread you would see that it was a bogus excuse. There was also a second thread to verify that fact entitled "the dirty little secrets behind palace of chance" in which it states that my RJ was won on a deposit. All of my numbers had been gone over repeatedly and it came out that my deposits exceeded my bonuses. Marty can attest to this fact as they go over a players complete history before issuing any past due payments. Had that been the problem then Marty would not have paid me.

Maybe they should change their terms to "payments can take up to 1000 business days to reflect in your account"

Congratulations on FINALLY getting paid, but remember, this was the THIRD attempt, and in the previous attempt by GW Mystic's case was looked into, and it was decided NOT to pay her.

The other point is that Marty said there is no way to delete player history, yet SOMEHOW this DID happen to Mystic, POC went in & tampered with her info, and all her transaction history simply vanished. Now, if it is RTG that hold this, and not the operator, HOW was this done, it looks like RTG themselves did it on request!

The fact is, it CAN be done, so this is a SERIOUS vulnerability in the software. Mystic was not the ONLY player either who complained about having transaction histories wiped. It doesn't matter HOW POC wiped history all those years ago, but IT HAPPENED.

It is MARTY doing this, Virtual group MUST NOT be allowed to bathe in "reflected glory" from all this hard work Marty is doing, he is doing it for US (although GW are paying his salary), and he is risking HIS reputation, not that of Virtual (hell, nothing they do can make their rep any WORSE than it is now).

I am quite surprised at the success of this initiative, since unlike the last one, where a mere $10K was paid, it seems significant sums are being handed over. There is a LONG way to go though, and the big sums are probably only a fraction of the total, and much more is bound to be owed in small denied cash-ins that the players concerned felt were too small to pursue.

The next step for Virtual should be to get a GAMING LICENSE, by which I mean a PROPER one, with regulatory obligations, not a mere "rubber stamp" permission to operate a company.

PS. This wouldn't have anything to do with the Costa Rican government considering the introduction of PROPER regulation of the casinos operating from within it's borders, with the aim of winning the trust of those countries like the UK that have legalised the activity, but require casinos to have a PROPER gaming license from a PROPER regulatory jurisdiction.

Virtual WOULD worry about this, because their former (current?) "business model" could get them kicked out of a regulated Costa Rica, and players finding out that the casino got kicked out of COSTA RICA would pretty much seal it's fate

IF the US go for regulation, they would probably work along the lines of the UK, allowing only SOME casinos to operate within the US, perhaps based on the UK "whitelist" system, which currently leaves Costa Rica out in the cold.

 

[ksech]

The other point is that Marty said there is no way to delete player history, yet SOMEHOW this DID happen to Mystic, POC went in & tampered with her info, and all her transaction history simply vanished. Now, if it is RTG that hold this, and not the operator, HOW was this done, it looks like RTG themselves did it on request!

The fact is, it CAN be done, so this is a SERIOUS vulnerability in the software. Mystic was not the ONLY player either who complained about having transaction histories wiped. It doesn't matter HOW POC wiped history all those years ago, but IT HAPPENED.

I've had my account transaction histories wiped out from several on the list. BUT, from what I have been told, the casinos can still see the transactions, I'm blocked from seeing them. According to Marty, they are all showing up. I reloaded several of the casinos (but they only go back to 2005 and I'm pretty sure I had played BEFORE that time) and there is nothing there.

So, I'm pretty sure I won't see any of the infantismal winnings I lost out on due to the fact I had to rely on CS to direct me on my transactions ( i.e. "you're last play time was on a deposit, so you are clear to use the free chip").

I think Marty is doing a great thing here, BUT not to be confused with spreading the "good" word about this group. I don't want to see people being suckered into thinking, "Wow, we can now get paid without issues." How long will this continue? Is this just a ploy by this group to sucker in fresh "meat", who are oblivious to the hidden agenda this group had prior to this time?

 

[RobWin]

I am quite surprised at the success of this initiative, since unlike the last one, where a mere $10K was paid, it seems significant sums are being handed over.

Could be that the "Virtual Group" has been bought out, maybe one of the "Ayre Heads" bought them out. That may be even the reason that Joeyl's post over there at Calvins site was deleted when he alluded to a suggestion that Calvin should buy them out and clean up the brand.
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[VRS]

This site states:

latestcasinobonuses.com/nodepositcasinobonus.html

..., that coolcat has a $400 cashable no deposit bonus with a relatively low wagering - is this true Marty, cause i cannot find this bonus on the website?

And if i go for it and hit something, should i contact you or zuga to get the winnings, or just wait a couple of years until a new leaf has been turned over?

 

[LaurieJim]

This site states:

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[VRS]

I don't know what kind of bad casinos you're talking about lauriejim, because if you take a look at the bonus schemes of Virtual, it's more than obvious, that you deal with a philantrophic enterprise here, that has been misunderstood so far for one reason or another, because given their modus operandi they'll end up financing the gamblers and Marty is the proof for that. The only drawback in this arrangement - you just have to wait.

 

[ksech]

*biting my tongue*

 

[Pinababy69]

This site states:

www.wepromoteroguecasinos

..., that coolcat has a $400 cashable no deposit bonus with a relatively low wagering - is this true Marty, cause i cannot find this bonus on the website?

And if i go for it and hit something, should i contact you or zuga to get the winnings, or just wait a couple of years until a new leaf has been turned over?

I don't know what kind of bad casinos you're talking about lauriejim, because if you take a look at the bonus schemes of Virtual, it's more than obvious, that you deal with a philantrophic enterprise here, that has been misunderstood so far for one reason or another, because given their modus operandi they'll end up financing the gamblers and Marty is the proof for that. The only drawback in this arrangement - you just have to wait.

Pay no attention....I'd bet my last dollar this is yet another incarnation of Nitro. Which is this Nitro, #9 or #10?

 

[RobWin]

Pay no attention....I'd bet my last dollar this is yet another incarnation of Nitro. Which is this Nitro, #9 or #10?

LOL...it's Nitro!

I'll give ya this Nitro, you are persistent bro!
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[jelsmith]

I don't know what kind of bad casinos you're talking about lauriejim, because if you take a look at the bonus schemes of Virtual, it's more than obvious, that you deal with a philantrophic enterprise here, that has been misunderstood so far for one reason or another, because given their modus operandi they'll end up financing the gamblers and Marty is the proof for that. The only drawback in this arrangement - you just have to wait.

OMG thats....I dont even have words

 

[maxd]

I'll give ya this Nitro, you are persistent bro!

Please don't feed the trolls.

 

[MartyDavis]

FYI - Mystic was not the player with 16 FREE Chips, I reviewed her account and saw where the mistake was made and resolved the issue. The player in question below was paid and again if that player needs further assistance they can contact by email or PM.

Thanks,

Marty

Take a chill pill, Mysticjoz. I wasn't accusing you, I guess my post was not specific enough. I remember your thread and what went on, but that WAS a while ago. And I often do not write things properly.

I simply meant wasn't that their "excuse" for not paying you? I am senile and old and have a really bad memory. Sorry for upsetting you. Of course I am happy that Marty got you and Laurijim paid. I'd be pretty damn awful to NOT want you guys and everyone else paid.

In fact, wasn't there one guy that tried through Casinomeister to get something like a million dollars paid that he won fair and square a few years ago?

Oh Marty??????? Where are you? Know anything about this person?

 

[5250phil]

when i joined here a while back it was after i had a run in with cirruscasino.co.uk
i won a fair amount and then was pointed towards here after googling the casino after the were stalling me

i did make a thread on this here and a few may remember in the end there 2 month spree of messing me around took toll on me and i thought id never see the cash so what the hell ill wager it with exeption of my deposits which i did eventually get payed into my moneybookers after months(i bet i wouldnt of got it if i hadnt wagered away most it)

typical as now martys involved i could have possably got it all back but hey ho its in the past now and behind me

anyways i pmed marty about this as i believed that due to there stalling and messing me around if all had been ok i wouldnt have wagered it and would have had it in my moneybookers withing days

marty did make me a payment of £500 into my account as a good will gesture to do with what i wish as some compensation, so i believe he trying to right the wrongs the casino made albeit way short of what i would have liked under the circumstances i thought at least a quarter of my original winnings would be fair(anyone else think this or is it just me being selfish?)

i did try a few 100 spins on the slots and then decided to make a withdrawel to see if the casino payout sytem had changed

i gave it 3 days and guess what ? no change still no payout in reasonable timescale so due to fancying a spell on a casino and rather than depositing anywere i played there and lost my reversed withdrawal (suprise not lol)

any ways i believe hes trying to right wrongs so lets see if all the major losers get something back

 

[RedAndi]

when i joined here a while back it was after i had a run in with cirruscasino.co.uk
i won a fair amount and then was pointed towards here after googling the casino after the were stalling me

i did make a thread on this here and a few may remember in the end there 2 month spree of messing me around took toll on me and i thought id never see the cash so what the hell ill wager it with exeption of my deposits which i did eventually get payed into my moneybookers after months(i bet i wouldnt of got it if i hadnt wagered away most it)

typical as now martys involved i could have possably got it all back but hey ho its in the past now and behind me

anyways i pmed marty about this as i believed that due to there stalling and messing me around if all had been ok i wouldnt have wagered it and would have had it in my moneybookers withing days

marty did make me a payment of £500 into my account as a good will gesture to do with what i wish as some compensation, so i believe he trying to right the wrongs the casino made albeit way short of what i would have liked under the circumstances i thought at least a quarter of my original winnings would be fair(anyone else think this or is it just me being selfish?)

i did try a few 100 spins on the slots and then decided to make a withdrawel to see if the casino payout sytem had changed

i gave it 3 days and guess what ? no change still no payout in reasonable timescale so due to fancying a spell on a casino and rather than depositing anywere i played there and lost my reversed withdrawal (suprise not lol)

any ways i believe hes trying to right wrongs so lets see if all the major losers get something back

The 500 good will is pretty cool, I have to admit. He could have said well you chose to play it down, your loss. Nice to hear you got something back for your hassle Phil.

 

[jod5413]

5250phil,

It would have been more impressive if Marty had just given you the five hundred dollars for your prior problem.

I hope you delete your account at that casino and any other that is part of this group.

Awarding "bonus" money to any past player is not kosher to me. It just gets people back playing at their casinos.

JMO

 

[RedAndi]

5250phil,

It would have been more impressive if Marty had just given you the five hundred dollars for your prior problem.

I hope you delete your account at that casino and any other that is part of this group.

Awarding "bonus" money to any past player is not kosher to me. It just gets people back playing at their casinos.

JMO

Was I reading Phils post wrong? Didn't he give him the $500 for his prior problem?

NEVER MIND I SEE NOW.....

 

[RedAndi]

Oh holy shit I just noticed the money went into his casino account.
Well hell I thought he got a check cut....screw going back to the place that bent you over!

 

[catcat941]

i am waiting 100 partycitycasino

i have a casheen of 100 , all docs were confirm . second time i am told next week . i have the print screen.answer i get "we experiencing hig valume or requests" the 10 +10 are over by before

 

[jas2587]

marty did make me a payment of £500 into my account as a good will gesture to do with what i wish as some compensation,
/QUOTE]

lets finish the wording please not crop them


Cindy

 

[Mavin1]

when i joined here a while back it was after i had a run in with cirruscasino.co.uk
i won a fair amount and then was pointed towards here after googling the casino after the were stalling me

i did make a thread on this here and a few may remember in the end there 2 month spree of messing me around took toll on me and i thought id never see the cash so what the hell ill wager it with exeption of my deposits which i did eventually get payed into my moneybookers after months(i bet i wouldnt of got it if i hadnt wagered away most it)

typical as now martys involved i could have possably got it all back but hey ho its in the past now and behind me

anyways i pmed marty about this as i believed that due to there stalling and messing me around if all had been ok i wouldnt have wagered it and would have had it in my moneybookers withing days

marty did make me a payment of £500 into my account as a good will gesture to do with what i wish as some compensation, so i believe he trying to right the wrongs the casino made albeit way short of what i would have liked under the circumstances i thought at least a quarter of my original winnings would be fair(anyone else think this or is it just me being selfish?)

i did try a few 100 spins on the slots and then decided to make a withdrawel to see if the casino payout sytem had changed

i gave it 3 days and guess what ? no change still no payout in reasonable timescale so due to fancying a spell on a casino and rather than depositing anywere i played there and lost my reversed withdrawal (suprise not lol)

any ways i believe hes trying to right wrongs so lets see if all the major losers get something back

I have to chime in on this one, on behalf of Marty and his efforts. Marty did the same for me, for a free chip misunderstanding I had, that I thought I had won but was told it was for fun only. Now this was a couple years ago, yet Marty compensated me for it even though it wasn't necessary.
He also said I could play it or cash it out and it was in the fully withdrawable window, no strings.
So I put it in for cashout and Marty has even pushed up the approval time on it.

Marty compensated players, but it has no strings attached and it is the individuals decision whether to play it or withdraw it.

 

[jod5413]

Gosh,

What to say, what to do. I believe that by putting funds into old player accounts rather than giving them a check, is like day and night.

If given cash, the player has an option of what to do with the funds.

By putting cash into an old player's account, it is like waving steak in front of a dog. Most gamblers are not going to cash out, they are going to want to see if they can make the cash amount bigger.

I am not saying that the gamblers are dumb, I am just saying they are gamblers. I am a gambler, and I am sorry to say it would be hard for me, even knowing the casino is bad news, to withdraw it right away.

It would be nice to see some other members here chiming in. I could use some feedback to see if I am totally out of line with my thoughts.

 

[jas2587]

Gosh,

What to say, what to do. I believe that by putting funds into old player accounts rather than giving them a check, is like day and night.

If given cash, the player has an option of what to do with the funds.

By putting cash into an old player's account, it is like waving steak in front of a dog. Most gamblers are not going to cash out, they are going to want to see if they can make the cash amount bigger.

I am not saying that the gamblers are dumb, I am just saying they are gamblers. I am a gambler, and I am sorry to say it would be hard for me, even knowing the casino is bad news, to withdraw it right away.

It would be nice to see some other members here chiming in. I could use some feedback to see if I am totally out of line with my thoughts.

I agree couldn't have said it better

Cindy

 

[Mavin1]

Gosh,

What to say, what to do. I believe that by putting funds into old player accounts rather than giving them a check, is like day and night.

If given cash, the player has an option of what to do with the funds.

By putting cash into an old player's account, it is like waving steak in front of a dog. Most gamblers are not going to cash out, they are going to want to see if they can make the cash amount bigger.

I am not saying that the gamblers are dumb, I am just saying they are gamblers. I am a gambler, and I am sorry to say it would be hard for me, even knowing the casino is bad news, to withdraw it right away.

It would be nice to see some other members here chiming in. I could use some feedback to see if I am totally out of line with my thoughts.

I agree with you and you make a very valid point. However not all dogs eat there steak where they get it.
I also figure that people that are outright owed money, no questions asked, they are getting checks sent to them.

 

[MartyDavis]

Update

Resolved a few more player issues today and things seem to becoming more manageable. We met today to discuss the reaching out to old players that may not know we are handling player issues. So far there are no recent issues that do not revolve around slow pay and even those are pretty much resolved as well.

Again thanks for the PM's they help expediate the player issues much faster.

Thanks,

Marty

 

[chuchu59]

Gosh,

What to say, what to do. I believe that by putting funds into old player accounts rather than giving them a check, is like day and night.

If given cash, the player has an option of what to do with the funds.

By putting cash into an old player's account, it is like waving steak in front of a dog. Most gamblers are not going to cash out, they are going to want to see if they can make the cash amount bigger.

I am not saying that the gamblers are dumb, I am just saying they are gamblers. I am a gambler, and I am sorry to say it would be hard for me, even knowing the casino is bad news, to withdraw it right away.

It would be nice to see some other members here chiming in. I could use some feedback to see if I am totally out of line with my thoughts.

It really depends on the players. Some like me will withdraw right away because I feel that I am entitled to keep the funds and not obliged to play. Others may feel differently. Furthermore, I would not like to have a check sent to me because I am charged heavily for that ($40 USD) and 30 days to clear. If the money is placed in my account I can use ecocard for withdrawal and there are no fees involved and the funds should be in my account once processed.

I also believe that many players will head for the cashier right away because they had been screwed by the casinos and wont let this sort of thing happen again. Once they have access to the funds they can get better treatment (not necessarily better play) at other casinos.

 

[suzecat]

Resolved a few more player issues today and things seem to becoming more manageable. We met today to discuss the reaching out to old players that may not know we are handling player issues. So far there are no recent issues that do not revolve around slow pay and even those are pretty much resolved as well.

Again thanks for the PM's they help expediate the player issues much faster.

Thanks,

Marty

Marty, I can say I appreciate your willingness to "fall on the sword" so to speak on behalf of virtual casinos. You appear genuine and aboveboard so that is a great asset for the group. Back in the day there were some good managers, however their chains got yanked after a while and they left that employ (disillusioned no doubt).

As "groveling for dollars" is not my cup of tea, you shall receive no PM from me describing how these casinos used trickery and deception to confiscate winnings. Though beng a great lesson and learning experience, it is not something I would revisit if given the option (which I have -- thanks but no thanks). Best of luck to you Marty.

 

[maxd]

... Marty posted where he did answer my question regarding acepedro45. He stated that the player had been paid ....

The word I have from that player is that they were kicked out of the casino and a little less than 50% of the money was confiscated (never paid) without explanation.

Seems that might be a good place for Marty to start, or continue as the case may be, setting things right.

 

[acepedro45]

Some folks were wondering what ultimately happened with me and Club Player and I thought I'd set the record straight.

In 2005, I had a huge win at Club Player Casino for about $160k, which they subsequently slow payed, no payed, restarted paying when CM got involved and then finally cut off all communications and payments with $54,350.20 outstanding. They closed my account and confiscated my remaining $54,350.20 balance, refusing to explain their actions (I think this was back in 2007, but I'd have to check my records on this.)

To give credit where it is due, they did pay me $102,000 in various dribs and drabs before they closed my account.

Obviously I'm interested in collecting the rest of my winnings, but not terribly optimistic that it will happen. I will of course keep you all posted.

Also, a big thank you to suzecat, jinnia, RobWin and other forum veterans for thinking of me.

 

[vinylweatherman]

FYI - Mystic was not the player with 16 FREE Chips, I reviewed her account and saw where the mistake was made and resolved the issue. The player in question below was paid and again if that player needs further assistance they can contact by email or PM.

Thanks,

Marty

Mistake?

Are the staff there SO BAD AT THEIR JOB that this kind of thing is routine? IF such mistakes are being made, there is no reason to play there, even if old issues are being resolved, and a new leaf is being turned over.

I've had my account transaction histories wiped out from several on the list. BUT, from what I have been told, the casinos can still see the transactions, I'm blocked from seeing them. According to Marty, they are all showing up. I reloaded several of the casinos (but they only go back to 2005 and I'm pretty sure I had played BEFORE that time) and there is nothing there.

This also deserves an explanation. This should be IMPOSSIBLE, yet it suggests Virtual can tinker with the RTG software to a considerable degree, and coupled with what else we know about RTG software (changing game RTP for example), how can we trust that Virtual are not running some kind of "tweaked" variant, where perhaps they can set the RTP to ANYTHING, not just the choices of 91%, 95% and 97.5% provided by RTG.

This "new leaf" could simply be "right, we'll start paying players, BUT we will hack the slots down to 80%, and screw them where they won't notice"

 

[takethemoney]

Some folks were wondering what ultimately happened with me and Club Player and I thought I'd set the record straight.

In 2005, I had a huge win at Club Player Casino for about $160k, which they subsequently slow payed, no payed, restarted paying when CM got involved and then finally cut off all communications and payments with $54,350.20 outstanding. They closed my account and confiscated my remaining $54,350.20 balance, refusing to explain their actions (I think this was back in 2007, but I'd have to check my records on this.)

To give credit where it is due, they did pay me $102,000 in various dribs and drabs before they closed my account.

Obviously I'm interested in collecting the rest of my winnings, but not terribly optimistic that it will happen. I will of course keep you all posted.

Also, a big thank you to suzecat, jinnia, RobWin and other forum veterans for thinking of me.

WTF? I thought I read that you had been paid in full. Have you not? Marty, please explain what you are doing with the balance that is owed acepedro45!

 

[suzecat]

WTF? I thought I read that you had been paid in full. Have you not? Marty, please explain what you are doing with the balance that is owed acepedro45!

I suspect Marty is seeing how it feels to be lied to by a virtual craphole. Marty save yourself, get outta there and don't look back!

 

[jod5413]

I would guess that Marty already knew that Acepedro wasn't paid all that was due. In fairness though, his new bosses might have told him "tough", we aren't paying the rest. Concentrate on high visibility and smaller amounts to pay off.

I truly think this is simply an orchestrated scam to lure in new meat, oh sorry, I mean players.

This is just my opinion, of course.

 

[MartyDavis]

Acepedro Pmed me today and I have responded, we are currently auditing his account.

Thanks,

Marty

Some folks were wondering what ultimately happened with me and Club Player and I thought I'd set the record straight.

In 2005, I had a huge win at Club Player Casino for about $160k, which they subsequently slow payed, no payed, restarted paying when CM got involved and then finally cut off all communications and payments with $54,350.20 outstanding. They closed my account and confiscated my remaining $54,350.20 balance, refusing to explain their actions (I think this was back in 2007, but I'd have to check my records on this.)

To give credit where it is due, they did pay me $102,000 in various dribs and drabs before they closed my account.

Obviously I'm interested in collecting the rest of my winnings, but not terribly optimistic that it will happen. I will of course keep you all posted.

Also, a big thank you to suzecat, jinnia, RobWin and other forum veterans for thinking of me.

 

[ksech]

Okay, this is what I received concerning my issue with no transaction histories showing up...

1. Clear cookies on your browser, open new browser and see if player history shows up.
2. Put in request through CDS - that goes straight to RTG and let them know you cannot view player history.
3. We cannot log into your account from here to check your stats or the IP will show that we logged in from here and we are not allowed to log into a players account through the casino lobby only through our backend access given by RTG.

Now, obviously, the casino CAN check stats as they were doing that to inform me of my deposits/free chips. The cookie issue shouldn't be a problem as I have since that time reformatted my computer at least 3 times ( I do this about once a year). I reloaded several of the casinos to check and there still is no transaction history showing. Cool Cat should have shown I played a "where have you been" free chip in/around 2007.
***Stupid question*** what is CDS?

 

[chuchu59]

CDS = Central Disputes System and is supposed to resolve RTG issues. Pretty useless if you ask me.

 

[chuchu59]

Acepedro Pmed me today and I have responded, we are currently auditing his account.

Thanks,

Marty

This could prove to be the acid test as the amount that has not been paid is quite huge and that Bryan had been involved in this which might imply that he felt that there was no question that the whole $160K(including the outstanding $54K balance) is owed to the player. The outcome is eagerly awaited.

 

[RobWin]

Acepedro Pmed me today and I have responded, we are currently auditing his account.

Thanks,

Marty

So you didn't already "audit" his account Marty when you had previously replied to my question to you regarding acepedro45 back on page #9 here where you stated.... "Hi Rob, Thanks for the link, ..............Yes this player has been paid."? What was that? Just another cloaked exercise in PR?

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It seems you came out of the gate fairly strong Marty, but you now seem to be faltering down the straightaway!

I didn't want to throw to much at you at one time so that is why I brought up acepedro45 first, to see if you were capable of settling this one amicably.

I'll wait to bring up the "Million Dollar Baby" and their name that is owed by Prism to you after you have first totally settled acepedro's case.

You can thank me later bro...
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