Marty Davis - Gambling Wages rep trying to assist players

[MartyDavis]

@Pina:

Thanks for the reminder about that thread, I have read it a couple of times before.

@ MartyDavis:

Welcome to the forum..maybe. I don´t know yet, but I hope so. I don´t want to be rude but I have read too much bad things about some casinos.
I have some questions for you.

*Exactly which casinos/bingosites are you promoting?

*Do you know Christopher DiAngelo? He seems to send emails from a lot of casinos. Which casino does he work for?

*Have you in person checked previous player issues where players had been fooled? If so, are they paid now?

*How long time do you think is acceptabe between a players withdrawal request until he gets paid to NETeller?
I chose NETeller as an example because it´s not depending on anthing else than the casino.
I of course mean when all docs already are approved by the casino.

If you answer these questions I will probably have some more for you. Maybe a few suggestions and stories as well.

*Exactly which casinos/bingosites are you promoting?
I represent the Gambling Wages brands:

www.gamblingwages.com
www.gwages.com

www.coolcatCasino.com
www.palaceofchance.com
www.clubplayercasino.com
www.cirruscasino.com
http://www.cirruscasino.co.uk/
www.wildvegascasino.com


*Do you know Christopher DiAngelo? He seems to send emails from a lot of casinos. Which casino does he work for?

Christopher is the Casino Marketing Manager for
www.coolcatCasino.com
www.palaceofchance.com
www.clubplayercasino.com
www.cirruscasino.com
http://www.cirruscasino.co.uk
www.wildvegascasino.com


*Have you in person checked previous player issues where players had been fooled? If so, are they paid now?

I personally have checked and resolved player issues from as far back as four years and they have been paid.

*How long time do you think is acceptabe between a players withdrawal request until he gets paid to NETeller?

Our goal is to be fully compliant with payouts as stated on our terms and conditions regardless of the payout method.

 

[RobWin]

**Have you in person checked previous player issues where players had been fooled? If so, are they paid now?

I personally have checked and resolved player issues from as far back as four years and they have been paid.

Awesome, and very fast work by the way too, I think one of us should go ahead and alert Bryan or Max one to go ahead and close this thread so we can get on to the more important issues at hand now....that is signing up new affiliates with a 50% rev share....shweet!
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[takethemoney]

Aren't these also in the same group?

The Virtual Casino
Vegas Strip
Prism
Slots of Vegas
VIP Lounge
Party City

 

[jetset]

This is not a question Marty so don't worry about answering, it's a statement.
The first thing that GW has done wrong with this new vamped up effort of PR for the casinos is go to certain affiliate forums and iGaming reporting sites(whom also report to affiliates!) first when what you should have done is address all these past player issues with the company!! This tells me one thing and one thing only, GW don't give a rats ass about players past, present or future and what they do care about is collecting new affiliates to market and promote that hideous group of casinos to unsuspecting players!!

Shame these casinos are not buildings so they could just be torched down to finally once and for all go the hell away!

Bonustreak hits the nail on the head here imo. If this operator were sincere, the most impactful and credible way to go about addressing what is clearly a big problem would be as Bonustreak suggests....and only then go the press release and respectable-representative-on-the-forums route.

That would have meant something and could be an indicator of good faith.

But I surmise that the operator cares little about redressing the player problems of the past, and instead is mainly concerned with recruiting more affiliates to build the future.

@RobWin - if there is censorship ongoing at the Ayre site it simply gives the lie to the mealy-mouthed corporate line that they have adopted in shrugging off responsibility for the GW hype. Some may even view it as detracting from the credibility of the site as a neutral channel for information and views.

@WagerWitch: There are several abusive posts in this thread, and I don't think that is particularly constructive, although when a player has been stiffed I can understand if not approve of taking such an unnecessarily coarse approach in expressing a view.

That said, in my personal opinion you are making the same fundamental error of judgement as the gushing Bodog Becky earlier in this thread in focusing on Marty's personal rep instead of the real issue - the past record of this operator and the liklihood that we are seeing yet another "turning over a new leaf" initiative.

Players are absolutely justified in taking issue with this on the principle of "fool me once......etc" and in my view you are wrong to take posters to task for expressing valid doubts about the sincerity of this latest approach - regardless of who is, perhaps unwittingly, fronting for it.

The fulsome praise given to Marty is a distraction that has limited validity in this issue imo - this is exactly what the operator no doubt hopes will happen.

The real and possibly more expensive problem is a reputational one that is hard to fix because it has been continually placed in jeopardy by the actions of this operator in the past, and that indicates a propensity to do the same in the future. If you follow industry affairs you will know that this is now SOP for this operator, and that diminishes the liklihood of players being prepared to give those concerned a second chance.

Three or four months from now it is going to be interesting to see where this all ends up - will we see historically stiffed players commending Marty and GW-Virtual? Only time will tell.

I truly hope it's not a situation where more players end up in a nightmare instead of a fair online gambling experience with trouble-free payment of winnings.

 

[takethemoney]

Very well put, WagerWitch. I agree that Marty needs a chance. He's done nothing to deserve being treated like he has been in this thread. A chance of things getting cleaned up is better than no chance. Let him work and see what he does.

 

[Casinomeister]

Admin Reminder

Please refer to this announcement:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...ing-wages-rep-trying-to-assist-players.37533/

No flaming please. This includes bullying - so knock it off. Act like adults, thank you.

@ Robwin - your comment on meeting up with GW/Virtual at the next "super-show": Well, I've met with these guys no less than six times since 2003, and you can see where we are today

Actions are louder than words. If they cared about the players, or this industry as a whole, we would never be having this conversation.

 

[AussieDave]

BECAUSE HE MAY BE THE ONLY CHANCE PAST PLAYERS MAY BE ABLE TO HAVE TO RECLAIM LOSSES.

If this was in 2002 I'd say sure...I can understand your point and reasoning.

However it's 2010 and history tells us that Virtual Casino Group has a list of broken promises a mile long. The owners of this rogue casino group have made promises they never keep. They've lied to CM numerous times; they've lied to players.

They (Virtual Casino Group & their representatives) have proved beyond reasonable doubt telling the truth and keeping promises is alien to them.

The door of opportunity has been swung open time and time again to Virtual Casino Group; so much so its fallen off its hinges.

But here we are again...A lot of words, more promises to fix things but no action

Unless the Virtual Casino Group Owners are prepared to fix their mess and pay outstanding winnings, they could employ the POPE as their mouth piece BUT nothing would change the fact they've scammed players and these players need to be paid in full.

Personally I'm sick and tired of reading this crap. I'm sure burnt players shafted by Virtual Casino Group feel the same way too.

NB - I had a player contact me back in 2001 when I ran Gamblerslodge who was owed over $100K from their sport book.
How would you feel not being paid over $100K, WagerWitch?

When and if Marty gets all the players paid that have been shafted by Virtual Casino Group since they commenced their online casino/sports books (my estimate stands in excess of $2,000,000US owed), I'll be happy to reconsider my position on both Marty and Virtual Casino Group.

But until I see action...it is what it always is...blah...blah..blah.


Cheers



Dave

 

[incrediblestuff]

im also a bit surprised that this thread managed to escape me for a few days,
marty.first off, i think it would have been appropriate to submit your first post exactly 23 days earlier then you did.
just for political correctness, this would have a been a great escape route for you if things turn sour, which imo, they will anyway.
you might be able to pay some players from the past, or even all.
but, assuming that chris di angelo and the people he works for are really on a new road, they can only have accomplished the luxury of being able to pay out all past scammed players, by making more money with said money.
meaning, you cant rip people off for ten years+, then invest their money in who knows what, make more cash and then come back and say:
hey, we know what we did was wrong, but now we can afford to pay all of you back!
and we are new and improved (really new and improved, not like the previous new and improved)
so, we are now gonna be the best, and we promise we will never do things like these again!
TRUST us....\
lol
you have taken the wrong job, or, you hate virtual as the rest of us, and offered to work for them thinking you would pay as many players from the past as possible, before they had to let you go, for obvious reasons ( think on implications HARD here)
but i sincerely doubt its the latter.
so that would be you losing your rep (hard earned apparantly)
pretty damn soon!

i think any mentioning of virtual, acerevenue, ted kohji/al bundy/bad c*nty or whatever his name in a POSITIVE way should by now be punishable by casinomeister law!
public stoning and spitting as punishment!

just my opinion....

 

[oldtrvlagt]

This can be debated until we are all old and gray but IF you want a litmus test to find out how things are handled from start to finish how about having someone (with no affiliation to GW, i.e., having signed up previously) sign up at Cool Cat or Club Player and make a deposit. No bonus, so no playthrough and it has to be $100 or so. They play slots and if they win a bit cash out. First, of course, they need to know if there is a roll over on a strictly cash deposit.

They go through the documents verification, the whole works. And then see how it is handled.

Kind of like a blind taste test The casino isn't going to know who that particular person is but we will.

Disclaimer: Strictly for scientific purposes only...

 

[LaurieJim]

Marty, i do wish you luck and you seem to have a great reputation in the casino industry and do seem like a fine person.

I just have to ask, Why? Did you wake up one morning and just decide, im going to turn this group around, did you approach them or was it the other way around?

Im trying to understand why some of the brightest people in this industry are so concerned about this casino now, where were all the do gooders years ago when they were taking new players for a ride, myself included.

We needed help them, not years later. If you are wanting to get past player issues resolved, i give you kuddos for that. If its trying to gain new players then im afraid you will be in for a rough bumpy ride, kinda like the ones the past players used to have to endure, when no one gave a crap about them including the crappy affiliates that promoted them. I hope you can understand where a lot of us stand with this casino group.

Again, i wish you all the luck with this mountain of mess your taking on.


Laurie

 

[MartyDavis]

3 pages later!

WOW! So I replied to a post from the 9 pages I originally came in on in page 11 and now have 3 more pages to go through.

However, first I am going to address the emails and PM's I received about player payout issues first.

I am asking again if there are specific player payout issues please PM me...I may not see them if you post on this forum.

Wager Witch I have never met you but I am going to print your post and hang it on my wall with the CM logo on the header, Becky you and I go way back, you’re awesome and I thank you so much for your support.

I was promised an opportunity to handle player issues and I have the full support of upper management in order to do so…more importantly like Wager Witch said if I am not able to make a difference I will bow out gracefully but as of now I have no reason to believe that will be the case and I simply ask for the opportunity to try.

MD

 

[all4greed]

When and if Marty gets all the players paid that have been shafted by Virtual Casino Group since they commenced their online casino/sports books (my estimate stands in excess of $2,000,000US owed)...

When I first read that, I thought the amount was staggering. Now I think it could be a very conservative number. I'm sure there are numerous people that never made any mention of their problems in dealing with this group.

But anyway, here's hoping that those here will be paid if owed...

 

[AussieDave]

What is your plan for the thousands who will not PM you on account they do not read this forum?

Valid point

Just paying out players who contact you via the forums you've posted to, statistically amounts to maybe 3 - 4% of the gamblers who have been shafted by Virtual Casino Group since 99/2000.

Granted some people may not be contactable anymore.

However for those that are, that don't visit forums period, what happens to their payment(s)...?

I'm starting to wonder if you have a full comprehension of the complexities involved here and the damage that Virtual Casino Group has done.

Reiterating...I had a sports book player contact me in 2001 about VCG screwing them for over $100K...That's only one person!

How many other peeps have been shafted for more or less..Who honestly knows. It's not like we can ask Virtual Casino Group; their words are not worth two knobs of goat poo.

But I, like most of my peers here at CM and players alike can take a pretty good guess at how much has been stolen (yes stolen) from legit players.

At one point I was told Virtual Casino Group were bringing in deposits of $5mil a week through their clone casinos.
Oh and I got that directly from Michael Staw (the CEO of RTG back in late 2002).

Not that I believe affiliates who have been promoting these clip joints deserve a cent....But seeing as your claiming to be the head honcho to fixing up what's owed to people...

There is a post over at the GPWA where an affiliate was promised a pay-out arrangement that was supposed to have commence last Monday...Yep you guessed it, she's still waiting for payment

too funny...


Cheers



Dave

 

[AussieDave]

what about those nameles people? well boo hoo what can he do with no names?

He has access to accounts or should. Any 1/2 wit could see who hasn't been paid and why.

Any casino that was genuinely sincere in fixing their past, would employ chartered accounts to audit their player accounts to see who is owed money. They would then contact these players and organise payments.

Instead we got Marty asking for players with payment disputes to lodge a PM...

The more I read this thread and others, the more posts I see from Marty, the more this starts looking like another Virtual Casino Group devious PR exercise.

Edit: And for those that have stood up to the plate and vouched for Marty Davis...I sure hope this isn't another one of the Virtual Casino Group schemes...Your sure going look really stupid if this all blows up in your faces!

Cheers



Dave

 

[marcsudbury]

well said like usual, i keep watching this thread but it's hard when there is so much negativity. but oh well maybe a pr stunt if one person gets paid wo wasn't before then good for them.

everyone on this site knows about them and should stay away till "BIG" changes are made. can't hurt for marty to try, so let'em

 

[vinylweatherman]

He has access to accounts or should. Any 1/2 wit could see who hasn't been paid and why.

Any casino that was genuinely sincere in fixing their past, would employ chartered accounts to audit their player accounts to see who is owed money. They would then contact these players and organise payments.

Instead we got Marty asking for players with payment disputes to lodge a PM...

The more I read this thread and others, the more posts I see from Marty, the more this starts looking like another Virtual Casino Group devious PR exercise.

Edit: And for those that have stood up to the plate and vouched for Marty Davis...I sure hope this isn't another one of the Virtual Casino Group schemes...Your sure going look really stupid if this all blows up in your faces!

Cheers



Dave

It probably is, and shows they are HURTING from all the bad publicity.

A similar exercise was tried last year, and some 10K was paid out to settle claims, and then they pulled the "spin", by using this to justify issuing a statement to the effect that "all past player issues have now been resolved".

Of course it didn't work, and this is why they have tried it AGAIN. Marty has been wheeled in to "resolve" another portion of player claims, and so long as the budget set aside is not exceeded, he will have "the full support of management".

IF on the other hand, MOST of the long standing player issues are brought up, management will lose interest, get rid of Marty, and try something else. They may even decide to use Marty as the "scapegoat", by suggesting it was something HE didn't do properly that lead to this incentive falling apart.

I don't think Virtual even have the money in the bank to pay out to ALL players who were cheated, so they have to be relying on this only costing them another 10K by restricting claims to those players who frequent forums and find out this process is even going on. Virtual may even find a way for AFFILIATES to end up footing the bill for all this, similar to the sneaky changes they made at the end of last year, that only affiliates that looked closely at their stats noticed.

Their end goal may be to worm their way into a UK whitelisted jurisdiction, and then have the UK and EU markets fully opened to them - so many more players to rip-off

 

[Rusty]

I agree with those that say Marty's reputation is irrelevant.
The tail does not wag the Dog.
I have no idea why anyone with a good reputation would align themselves with such a disreputable group though?

Now come with me, come on, to a land far, far away.
A land where the Virtual group are no longer toxic because Marty, like the second coming, has ushered in a brave new dawn.

Now it is still the same people who caused all the distress and pain of the past that run these Casinos but now, now you should forgive and not only forgive but give, yes give freely to those who stole your money but are changed. Changed like a carnivore to a herbivores because they ate all the lambs.

Do you feel giving? Nah, me neither.

This is the point though.
They are hurting.
The magic tricks are wearing thin and the slight of the hand is shaky.
Hey presto - we are changed!
Puff - We vanish!
Watch as we change shitty casinos into good ones with a simple name change, Tadaa!
Hey presto - we are changed!
Oops, the mirrors are cracked and the smoke hasn't worked.
"Boo! Get off!"

Yes they are obviously hurting and their reputation is catching up with them like bad Karma. If people continue to see through their second rate tricks maybe they will eventually disappear for real?
What is wrong with that Marty, why try and save something that is rotten?

 

[SkBurner]

I'm not sure how anyone in their right mind can think the Virtual Group is ever gonna change. You must be smoking better gear than me if you do...(Would like some please )

They don't even hold a gaming license. Isn't that enough in itself?

They need to close their doors and be done with it. That's the only positive thing they could ever do for the players.

 

[WagerWitch]

I'm not sure how anyone in their right mind can think the Virtual Group is ever gonna change. You must be smoking better gear than me if you do...(Would like some please )

They don't even hold a gaming license. Isn't that enough in itself?

They need to close their doors and be done with it. That's the only positive thing they could ever do for the players.

SK...

Let's just say for arguments sake, I kind of agree with you.

Instead of lamenting on how they should not be open - IF they are going to stay open - WHAT would you like to see change?

If you were given the task of changing this casino around - what would you do?

If you are going to protect the players of the future - what recipe for player health would you advise?

 

[chayton]

I think that only time will tell one way or another if this new leaf is going to be turned or not. Someone said earlier in this thread (sorry I can't remember who) that it will be interesting to see what happens in 3 or 4 months time. Whoever it was, I totally agree!

IF they manage to get past player issues sorted and IF players seem to be getting paid in a reasonable time frame and IF this board isn't cluttered with posts about people saying that Virtual ripped them off in 3 months time, would I play there? Not a chance. If all that happened in 6 months time, would I play there? Nope.

If they manage to do all of this and stay aboveboard for a year or two, if they become accredited at Casinomeister and have a decent rep to contact with issues....maybe, but I really doubt it.

The thing that bugs me is that here's this guy Marty (who seems like a decent sort) trying to clean up player issues from FOUR years ago. I mean really. For four years the Virtual casino group has sidestepped and or flat out ignored multiple player issues? And there are no doubt issues from even before that? That boggles my mind.

How can you trust a company like that? Especially when there are so many really good and trustworthy RTGs available? We're spoiled for choice now with RTG casinos. Jackpot Capital, iNetBet, ClubWorld, Intertops, Rushmore group. I have so many RTG casinos I can't afford to play them all! They don't give out 1000% bonuses or toss out free chips like condoms on spring break, but every single one will pay me if I win.

 

[LHofsdal]

Lets give this person a chance. He came here and introduced himself, and all he got in return was some harsh words lashed out at him. Yes, I know this group is rogue, but with the economy the way it is, and so many people thinking that gambling will become legal soon in the US, it only makes sense that this group would bring in affiliate to try and fix things. If they didn't they could be loosing out on alot of revenue.

Maybe, just maybe he is for real and really wants to help, and the Virtural Group is trying to clean up their act. Only time will tell and it will be a VERY LONG TIME,I am sure. And trying to sort out issues from 4 years ago, well I guess everyone has to start somewhere. But lets let this person start with out all the lashing out and making him feel like horrible about posting here.

In my opinion, he came to one of the tops forums to post to let people know who he was, and what he is trying to accomplish. He could not have come to a better place to do this. As for him sucking in new players, well I can see where your coming from, BUT, people are going to play at ony one casino they choose, wether it is rogue and it is listed on here or if it is accredited and listed on here. That is their choice. We as players and forum members can help them by giving our opinion and experiences. They will make their decsions with some knowledge they did not know before.

To you Marty, Welcome to the forum. You are 1 man trying to overcome mountains, and I mean mountains of player issues and complaints. I wish you the best of luck. It will take you a very long time, but if you truely are here to help, you can only do it one issue at a time. Good luck with this task and I hope we will see some positive result.

Just my opinion, don't fry me for having one.

LH

 

[AussieDave]

Hi Marty,

Nothing person against you Marty, I don't know you from a bar of soap.
However trying to make silk purse out of this sow's ear is like flogging a dead horse, imo.

I've see untold promises broken time and time again.
Lets not forget hiring THUGS and intimidation phone calls to players who Virtual Casino Group saw as a threat.

Where you aware of these actions Marty?

I...like the other old timers, were around when this sh#t started hitting the fan back in 2000/1 and I've been witness to it continuing every since.

Given the entire gambit of their dubious past history of casino management, I hold little doubt that things will improve.

And if all players get paid, what then...I can't see them being accredited here, not in the short term, maybe never.

Maybe Karma has come back to bite Virtual Casino Group in the ass.
Are the Google SERPS finally taking their toll on sign-ups.

Whatever the reason for VCG wanting to right things now, it's too little too late imo.


Cheers



Dave

 

[LaurieJim]

There is no doubt in my mind that Marty is a good person with honor and has intents on fixing this group and i applaud his efforts even tho' i question them as so many others have in this thread.

He knew he would be met with this hositlity from some members, he has been in the gaming industry long enough to know that or he wouldnt have the reputation he has, so he cant plead innocent here and im 100% sure he also knows this.

Most people have a short range project business plan and some have a larger one, my question to Marty is, can you post what your business plan is to try to turn this group around?

I understand that paying and taking care of past player issues is a first for the most part, but a good business plan has to have a structure in place of its intents, what they hope to achieve, what is the goals, the broader market picture for the future in Qt. Scales.

If you are indeed a good business person, will you please post your long term planning stats here? I dont think its to much to ask as you should already have a plan intact imho. I would find it hard to believe if you didnt have something with structure lined up and a good solid plan, surley you wont be trying to fix these issues with out one, so will you share?

Laurie

 

[Rusty]

Just what is the sales pitch here - even if through some miracle they were changed?

Sorry we were scumbags all those years and mugged you but now we have had some therapy and we need money.
So desert the people who looked after you while we were busy kicking you and come and give us your money. We promise not to mug you this time.

Don't expect a rush is all I will say.

 

[Casinomeister]

Please keep all of the personal messages to PMs - or this thread is heading to "locksville". Thanks!