Marty Davis - Gambling Wages rep trying to assist players

[AussieDave]

Have you contacted Marty about your case?
This is EXACTLY what he has promised to clear up - so lets see if he can get this sorted for you and get your money back.

Frankly Marty should be/have contacted this player...It is after all his thread.

But I agree with you too KK.

If this case can not be rectified and put right there is little hope for anything else to follow. It would be in the best interests of this specific case to PM Marty.



Cheers



Dave

 

[MartyDavis]

PM me

Hi Mommy Machine,

Please PM me so that we can start corresponding, I am going to pull up your account and look it over in the meantime.

Thanks,

MD

I won a RJ for $4500 at coolcat casino last year when I started playing online. I didn't know any better. I used a No restrictions coupon. 3 days later they sent me an email that I didn't reach all of the WR?!? and my winnings were void. I have since closed my account, and I can't stand that the CS Manager emails me asking why I don't play there anymore. Do I need a better reason?

Im skeptical if their trust can ever be restored in anyone they have wronged. They can pay all the players they want, but at the end of the day their business will still be a shady operation IMO.

 

[Brooklyn]

Honestly Marty, I dont want the money, I would rather not deal with it anymore. It was a horrible experience that I do not wish to revisit. Thanks but no thanks.

I know it sounds ridiculous that I dont want the money, but it was such a horrible experience it ruined playing online for me, for a long time. I would rather just forget about the whole thing. Im sure there a thousands of others he can help..For me its in the past and it can stay there.

 

[The Dude]

...but I'm pretty certain Cool Cat is included under Marty's umbrella. As I understand it, he's able to deal with any of the casinos promoted by Gambling Wages and Cool Cat is definitely in that group.

Prism, I'm not certain about. It's actually not in the GW affiliate program.

Marty may be the rep for Gambling Wages, which is the marketing arm of only a handful of the casinos owned by the people who own what is known as the Virtual Casino group. I'm not sure how much pull Marty may have with resolving non-Gambling Wages/Virtual owned casinos. I'm not willing to guess - that's their business..

 

[MartyDavis]

yes

Marty may be the rep for Gambling Wages, which is the marketing arm of only a handful of the casinos owned by the people who own what is known as the Virtual Casino group. I'm not sure how much pull Marty may have with resolving non-Gambling Wages/Virtual owned casinos. I'm not willing to guess - that's their business..

Yes, I am looking into each case that is sending me a PM or email regarding the Gambling Wages brands and Prism is one of our brands. Once again please PM or email me with your issue.

Thanks,

MD

 

[Mavin1]

I think that only time will tell one way or another if this new leaf is going to be turned or not. Someone said earlier in this thread (sorry I can't remember who) that it will be interesting to see what happens in 3 or 4 months time. Whoever it was, I totally agree!

IF they manage to get past player issues sorted and IF players seem to be getting paid in a reasonable time frame and IF this board isn't cluttered with posts about people saying that Virtual ripped them off in 3 months time, would I play there? Not a chance. If all that happened in 6 months time, would I play there? Nope.

If they manage to do all of this and stay aboveboard for a year or two, if they become accredited at Casinomeister and have a decent rep to contact with issues....maybe, but I really doubt it.
The thing that bugs me is that here's this guy Marty (who seems like a decent sort) trying to clean up player issues from FOUR years ago. I mean really. For four years the Virtual casino group has sidestepped and or flat out ignored multiple player issues? And there are no doubt issues from even before that? That boggles my mind.

How can you trust a company like that? Especially when there are so many really good and trustworthy RTGs available? We're spoiled for choice now with RTG casinos. Jackpot Capital, iNetBet, ClubWorld, Intertops, Rushmore group. I have so many RTG casinos I can't afford to play them all! They don't give out 1000% bonuses or toss out free chips like condoms on spring break, but every single one will pay me if I win.

I would have to also echo what Chayton has spoken here, I agree 100%. As just a player, that has certain feelings for certain types of software for the public to frequent, RTG is and has become one of the least I would play. But when it comes to the difference in my own perception, as a player only, after having read all the negative issues this group has strewn across a decade, there is a distinct difference between a group of casinos having their tight times compared to a casino you can never be 100% comfortable spending money with.
Earlier in this post I did comment that I had been paid by CC, but then it was only $250, had it been significant amount, would I have been another victim and how could I possibly ever be sure when the track record speaks otherwise?
The reason I commend you Marty, is for the simple reason that maybe you will be able to get past players paid as they deserve their money. If that is all you are ever able to accomplish, then that is something at least, which is more than has been done before, but it will not change the public perception based on that alone.
If time shows that this group has taken a different stance on how they deal in the public, speaking as, honest and trustworthy, then great, but we all know the Blacklist status will remain until these are changed in reality, but the distrust in players minds may never be mended.
And even if the US market opens it doors again, this group may have already done to much damage to itself to ever realize the piece of pie they could have had. JMO

 

[diamondale]

Issue resolved from 2006

I have tALKED TO Marty and my issue was resolved back from 2006 and they payed me and i already received the money got a moneygram



after he did a full review of all of my accounts he realized that i wasnt payed and my money was here in 1 day Maybe with marty at the healm things will be done. I want to thank Marty for all his help. And now maybe bryan you can see that there is hope.

 

[all4greed]

I have tALKED TO Marty and my issue was resolved back from 2006 and they payed me and i already received the money got a moneygram



after he did a full review of all of my accounts he realized that i wasnt payed and my money was here in 1 day Maybe with marty at the healm things will be done. I want to thank Marty for all his help. And now maybe bryan you can see that there is hope.

Congrats. Which casinos were these?

 

[pobeda]

cmon, he represents coolcat and not Virtual? hmmm...here is his response to me today

Pobeda,

I was finally able to look into your account and Virtual Casino is not a brand I represent. I'm sorry I would like to help you on this but I cannot.

Thanks,

MD

I guess, Virtual is to evil even to represent

 

[just play]

Honestly Marty, I dont want the money, I would rather not deal with it anymore. It was a horrible experience that I do not wish to revisit. Thanks but no thanks.

I know it sounds ridiculous that I dont want the money, but it was such a horrible experience it ruined playing online for me, for a long time. I would rather just forget about the whole thing. Im sure there a thousands of others he can help..For me its in the past and it can stay there.

I just has a whole post typed out and lost it....

Anyway, if you won the lottery for that amount would you throw out the ticket and say ahhhh it's only $4500?

Something seems a bit strange.

All you probably have to do is pm Marty and tell him your username/casino and probably send documents. Diamondale just posted he/she got paid, why not give it a go? What have you got to lose?

I wish $4500 didn't mean that much to me.

 

[Brooklyn]

Its not that $4500 doesnt mean that much to me, I just don't want to reopen the wound is all. I got threatening phone calls, emails, mail sent to my house. I don't want anything to do with them, period.

Its a personal choice I have made to leave it alone, and I have the right to do so. Like I said before there is plenty of other people that need the help. There is nothing strange going on, its just a choice.

 

[just play]

Its not that $4500 doesnt mean that much to me, I just don't want to reopen the wound is all. I got threatening phone calls, emails, mail sent to my house. I don't want anything to do with them, period.


Its a personal choice I have made to leave it alone, and I have the right to do so. Like I said before there is plenty of other people that need the help. There is nothing strange going on, its just a choice.

OMG....I'm sorry, now I understand. I totally agree!

I was thinking to myself why in the world would someone give that kind of money up, but I would too if I were you.

 

[blonde]

$4500 is alot of money but when you know the circumstances and what happened to mommymachine I would let it go also. I know mommy on a personal level and some serious stuff went on from this casino and its not acceptable what so ever. Why would someone in their right mind call with threats, send packages etc. I'm sorry but there is no justification for any of this at all. I'm sure Marty is a good person and is trying to do right by investigating everyone's accounts that are coming forward but there is too much water under the bridge I feel. Goodluck to those that do indeed get their money that is owed to them.

 

[anniemac]

MommyMachine, I owe you an apology. I was thinking to myself why in the world would you turn down the offer of Marty looking into and possible getting the money owed to you.

After the explanation, I fully understand. Just shows what absolute a**holes these people are.

However, I would probably make them pay me if possible just because I am that kinda person. But I fully understand why you wouldn't want to revisit that nightmare.

 

[chuchu59]

cmon, he represents coolcat and not Virtual? hmmm...here is his response to me today

Pobeda,

I was finally able to look into your account and Virtual Casino is not a brand I represent. I'm sorry I would like to help you on this but I cannot.

Thanks,

MD

I guess, Virtual is to evil even to represent

??? The title of this thread is misleading then. Maybe marty should list out all the casinos that he represents.

 

[The Dude]

??? The title of this thread is misleading then. Maybe marty should list out all the casinos that he represents.

Changed to "Gambling Wages"

The thing is, many players don't know the affiliate program for Virtual - or I should say a group of the Virtual brands...

It's all quite convoluted - and there are reasons for this. Just go back to the "Cirrus" casino launch a few years ago and you'll figure this out for yourself

 

[Jasminebed]

cmon, he represents coolcat and not Virtual? hmmm...here is his response to me today

Pobeda,

I was finally able to look into your account and Virtual Casino is not a brand I represent. I'm sorry I would like to help you on this but I cannot.

Thanks,

MD

I guess, Virtual is to evil even to represent

If Marty does not represent Virtual, how was he able to look into your account?

MommyMachine, I too was wondering why anyone would abandon $4500, but I can understand now. Still, by not pursuing it now, you allow them to benefit by their bad behaviour, and I doubt that such experiences would be repeated now that they are attempting to clean up their image. Not with you a member at this board and the whole CM community watching.

 

[BingoT]

I say let Maxd or CM deal with them if you don't want to fight for your money and put it to good use.
I too understand what your saying but what is yours is yours.
Donate it why give it to "Gambling Wages"
https://www.casinomeister.com/donate/

 

[SlotMonster]

I say let Maxd or CM deal with them if you don't want to fight for your money and put it to good use.
I too understand what your saying but what is yours is yours.
Donate it why give it to "Gambling Wages"
https://www.casinomeister.com/donate/

Excellent idea, BT!
MommyMachine, BT is absolutely right: of you don't need that money - just give it to someone who really need it! Maybe it will help to save the life! Couldn't be better!

 

[maphesto]

Marty!

This is an important one.

As I see it, you are taking care of things. Good! Those players who gets paid now is better than nothing.

Still, we have to know which brands you can help us/players with.
I will not in any way see this as a new beginning as long as the Virtual group are trying to get a better reputation at some of the brands and not at the others.

At this point it looks like the Gambling Wages brands are paying their players and the other ones not.

It´s of course cheaper to pay 200 players instead of 500.

Correct me if I´m wrong.

Now to your answer of my questions:

*Exactly which casinos/bingosites are you promoting?
I represent the Gambling Wages brands:

xwww.gamblingwages.com
xwww.gwages.com

xwww.coolcatCasino.com
xwww.palaceofchance.com
xwww.clubplayercasino.com
xwww.cirruscasino.com
xwww.cirruscasino.co.uk/
xwww.wildvegascasino.com

Yes, I am looking into each case that is sending me a PM or email regarding the Gambling Wages brands and Prism is one of our brands. Once again please PM or email me with your issue.

How can we know what brands you promote or support when Prism isn´t on the list?

I was finally able to look into your account and Virtual Casino is not a brand I represent. I'm sorry I would like to help you on this but I cannot.

Ok, you don´t represent the Virtual Casino. But you do represent Prism even if it´s not on the list.

*Do you know Christopher DiAngelo? He seems to send emails from a lot of casinos. Which casino does he work for?

Christopher is the Casino Marketing Manager for
wxww.coolcatCasino.com
xwww.palaceofchance.com
xwww.clubplayercasino.com
xwww.cirruscasino.com
xwww.cirruscasino.co.uk
xwww.wildvegascasino.com

I have checked emails and Christopher DiAngelo seems to do marketing for almost every brand in the "virtual group". At least more than those you mentioned.

What I am trying to say is that all these casinos have screwed their players and now they have hired you to give some of the casinos a new start.

Almost all members here know that they are all in the same group with same owners and the same support staff.

Our goal is to be fully compliant with payouts as stated on our terms and conditions regardless of the payout method.

Not good enough!
I know that this is what virtual casinos have said for years.

You promise affiliates, but you have a goal when it comes to players.

I suggest that you from now on change your goal to pay players within 3 days and promise them payments within 5 working days.

Are these time limits hard?

 

[AussieDave]

Given the above why should players contact you?

Hi Marty,

Maybe you missed my question...I would like a response please.

Adding if other Virtual Casino Group casinos are not under your payment control, Prism casino certainly is.


Cheers



Dave

 

[maxd]

I say let Maxd or CM deal with them ....

Re-read CM's posts: we're not getting involved.

 

[Brooklyn]

Excellent idea, BT!
MommyMachine, BT is absolutely right: of you don't need that money - just give it to someone who really need it! Maybe it will help to save the life! Couldn't be better!

Again, it's not that I don't NEED the money, it's not that I don't WANT the money. I will under no circumstances become involved with this group again. I have really good reasons for this. If I felt differently I would be fighting for it. I know some will think "If it was my money I would want it", but I will not take the chance of going through this nightmare with them again. I will not go into details, but the things I went through with these were scary, intimidating, and very serious. Think about it, I have 5 children, I could definately use the money, so my reasons must be pretty darn good for not wanting to fight for it.

 

[BingoT]

Re-read CM's posts: we're not getting involved.

I saw it
It was just a thought if he changed his mind that's all.
The money would go to a good cause.
It's only my 2cents that's all
~T~

 

[catcat941]

Welcome 1

Welcome to the forum :!

I hope this will produce more business for all and more resolved things .

can you say how long does a withdrawal take in general ?

 

[vinylweatherman]

I have tALKED TO Marty and my issue was resolved back from 2006 and they payed me and i already received the money got a moneygram



after he did a full review of all of my accounts he realized that i wasnt payed and my money was here in 1 day Maybe with marty at the healm things will be done. I want to thank Marty for all his help. And now maybe bryan you can see that there is hope.

So, why the change of heart from the brand. Whatever you did then has not changed, so why was it a "breach of terms" then, and not now

I would have expected Marty to explain why players were NOT paid, rather than just using the "F U Clause".

I am not surprised a few players refused help, since ONE player was not just sent packages and threatening phonecalls, they were BEATEN BY HIRED THUGS after visiting Costa Rica on an unrelated trip, and popping into their offices to ask about their payment.

This is the act of an ORGANISED CRIMINAL OPERATION, and therefore Virtual can NEVER be considered a "legitimate business" unless new OWNERS are at the helm, not just "new management".

The splitting into different sub-groups, and renaming of some properties, was a ploy to lure in unsuspecting players who KNOW to avoid Virtual, but who do NOT figure out they have been snared by one of the "rebrands".

By REFUSING to help ALL players, Virtual have shown they have NOT really "turned over a new leaf", they are merely trying to gain credibility for SOME of their properties with this initiative, and market THESE "cleaned up" properties to new players. I have every confidence that these brands will slip back into old ways, and in 5 years time, we will have ANOTHER "Virtual are turning over a new leaf" initiative.

 

[MartyDavis]

Not to worry!

Mommy,

If you decide to let me look into your account I can assure you that your life and your children’s lives are in no danger whatsoever. Please PM me moving forward and once again...anyone that has an issue you have no reason to fear our company I have received numerous PM's, I have replied to all of them, resolved some or them and right in the middle of resolving a few more...and absolutely no one has been threatened...please keep the emails and PM's coming.

Regards,

MD

Again, it's not that I don't NEED the money, it's not that I don't WANT the money. I will under no circumstances become involved with this group again. I have really good reasons for this. If I felt differently I would be fighting for it. I know some will think "If it was my money I would want it", but I will not take the chance of going through this nightmare with them again. I will not go into details, but the things I went through with these were scary, intimidating, and very serious. Think about it, I have 5 children, I could definately use the money, so my reasons must be pretty darn good for not wanting to fight for it.

 

[LaurieJim]

To Mommy

Marty has taken care of one issue for me already and is looking into a much bigger one for me as well and i have not been threatened nor had any visitors knocking upon my door with spanish speaking accents


He is trying to help and if your owed money why not take advantage of this offer? Its up to you but thats alot of money imo.


Laurie

 

[binshakindown]

To Mommy

Awesome seeing someone put their values before money. We all need money to live, but why sacrifice or put in potential harms way, the things that are the real treasures life. Just for something that will be gone before you know it and have nothing "real" to show for it. I am sure many feel they could be strong as you have, but probably only a few would actually follow through. Bravo Mommy!!!!

 

[Brooklyn]

Ok, I stand firm that I don't want to go forward with this issue with Marty. Thats all I am going to say about it. I appreciate everyones help and opinions that have been given.


With that said, it does look like Marty is getting things taken care of for other players and I applaud him for that. I hope alot more people come forward and get their issues resolved. This is no easy job, and it has to take a certain kind of person to step up and attempt to make things right. Thanks Marty.

 

[AussieDave]

and absolutely no one has been threatened

Maybe not now that your at the helm but as I said here:

threatening and intimidation phone calls and even hire thugs.

And there are plenty of posts found within CM stating such tactics as there have been on other forums too.

Obviously Mommy is still feeling very much intimidated, enough to discard her legit winnings. Don't you see this in her post, don't you understand what it's like to be threatened and intimidated by thugs.


Cheers



Dave

PS How about answering my question!!!

Given the above why should players contact you?

 

[chuchu59]

Ok, I stand firm that I don't want to go forward with this issue with Marty. Thats all I am going to say about it. I appreciate everyones help and opinions that have been given.


With that said, it does look like Marty is getting things taken care of for other players and I applaud him for that. I hope alot more people come forward and get their issues resolved. This is no easy job, and it has to take a certain kind of person to step up and attempt to make things right. Thanks Marty.

I think we should respect MM's decision especially since we have not gone through the ordeal she encountered. In the meantime, if Marty is able to resolve players' issues and get them paid that's fine. Who knows? Maybe by then MM may have a change of heart when she sees things go so well.

If, however, things take a nasty turn Marty might need to add a small 'r' to his name. Sorry, couldnt resist.

 

[all4greed]

Marty -

How about a weekly update on the total amount of players paid and the total dollar amount? Just a lump sum for both.

 

[maxd]

How about a weekly update on the total amount of players paid and the total dollar amount? Just a lump sum for both.

You've got to be kidding!?!

Why not rent the home page: 20 Billion [strike]Shived[/strike] Served!

I think not, that's just a license to shill. No offense to Marty but without some means of direct verification such a thing would be meaningless and WAY too open to abuse by the parties involved.

 

[mysticjoz]

I have to put in my two cents here... or should I say my 3 grand. Marty has gone out of his way to reactivate my account and get me paid, this morning I recieved the first payment of $2000 in my QT acct for the nightmare that I had with POC years ago!! I have another thousand dollars pending in the cashiers section. (I can understand the split payments with the amount of people he is getting paid).
Marty has been nothing but polite, considerate and understanding toward me! He replied to my PM immediately & he has been in contact with me via PM AND phone ever since! Personally I think he is doing the best that he can to get the players paid who were ripped off by this group & that in itself is a massive undertaking!
The task he has taken on is HUGE, especially for one person to do... But he IS doing it... I am proof positive. To be honest I never expected to get another dime from them so I am thankful for any amount that I recieve. IMHO he deserves to be treated with the utmost respect that I think he is earning by going to bat for the players just like myself who were robbed of a legitimate Random Jackpot or any other winnings. I don't think that he should be castrated for F'd Up bogus rules that were put in place by a couple of crooks, he should actually be commended for the time, effort, hard work and personal attention that is he is putting in to each and every individual case in order to assure the players are being paid.
I can only hope that those of you in doubt can give him the benefit of the doubt and realize that he is indeed following through with his promise., and he is doing the best that he can to get any player who contacts him paid!
KUDOS to you Marty!!:notworthy If it wasn't for you, your morals and your ethics I know I wouldn't have seen another penny!! So, I thank you!!:notworthy
BTW: I have been reading about players being threatened, etc. There was NEVER any threat or even the hint of a threat when I dealt with him. Like I said., I was treated with nothing but respect!

 

[jetset]

Jeeeeeze, here we go again.

For the umpteenth time, noone is persecuting Marty - it's his employers that are attracting the flak for past conduct here.

 

[MartyDavis]

Thanks everyone

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for all the PM's I am doing my best to try and get player issues resolved as quickly as possible. Mystic and Lauriejim, thanks for the kind words I know that it will take some time to earn trust in GW but I am committed 100% to GW they have allowed me the opportunity to continue resolving legitimate player issues and I plan to continue doing so.

MD

 

[maphesto]

Marty!

There are some more questions in this thread. I suggest that you take a note every time you are here to see what's written after you checked the last time.

I know that I have written some here:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...ing-wages-rep-trying-to-assist-players.37533/

I am sure there are more after that one.

 

[chuchu59]

Jeeeeeze, here we go again.

For the umpteenth time, noone is persecuting Marty - it's his employers that are attracting the flak for past conduct here.

Totally agreed.

I am not sure Marty wants it this way but if I were him I would be hoping for low-key responses from players that he had helped retrieve their monies. Too much hype only gives a feeling to the 'casual observer' that there are ulterior motives. Sorry if this offends anyone but that's what I truly feel.

 

[LaurieJim]

Totally agreed.

I am not sure Marty wants it this way but if I were him I would be hoping for low-key responses from players that he had helped retrieve their monies. Too much hype only gives a feeling to the 'casual observer' that there are ulterior motives. Sorry if this offends anyone but that's what I truly feel.

Here is my low keyed response, Marty was able to get back funds that were due me from 2006, I dont think Marty is looking for praise nor has ulterior motives , he just wants to help those that are owed , if you dont pm him with your legit claim, you may not have this offer again, simple as that.

Laurie

 

[RobWin]

Here is my low keyed response, Marty was able to get back funds that were due me from 2006, I dont think Marty is looking for praise nor has ulterior motives , he just wants to help those that are owed , if you dont pm him with your legit claim, you may not have this offer again, simple as that.

Laurie

I wish you were the sales lady that I dealt with at Saks the other day , she seemed to be a lot less adulate with me than you are being with Marty...
____
____

 

[chayton]

Well, now I almost wish I had been shanked too.

In all seriousness though - kudos to Marty for getting these people paid. I'm especially glad to hear that Mystic got paid, that was a long time coming.

I have a question that maybe Marty can help with. Can you get me off the phone list? I get prerecorded messages from Chris DiAngelo a couple times a month. It's annoying because I haven't played there for yonks and I did tell support years ago that I wouldn't be playing there again. But still, like clockwork I get these prerecorded messages - and it's not like there's a real person on the other end of the line I can yell at.

 

[MartyDavis]

...fair enough!

Well, now I almost wish I had been shanked too.

In all seriousness though - kudos to Marty for getting these people paid. I'm especially glad to hear that Mystic got paid, that was a long time coming.

I have a question that maybe Marty can help with. Can you get me off the phone list? I get prerecorded messages from Chris DiAngelo a couple times a month. It's annoying because I haven't played there for yonks and I did tell support years ago that I wouldn't be playing there again. But still, like clockwork I get these prerecorded messages - and it's not like there's a real person on the other end of the line I can yell at.

 

[pevangel]

You are a brave man MartyDavis, I for one say wtg for doing this.


pevangel

 

[AussieDave]

Marty...Please don't avoid my question.

noone is persecuting Marty - it's his employers that are attracting the flak for past conduct here.

Reiterating jetset...My post(s) are also not persecuting Marty, I'm merely trying to stand up of players who like CM members are owed legit winnings.

However unlike CM members, these players do not know about this payment/audit service being conducted by Marty.

if there are players that are not happy with how there account was managed they should feel free to contact me directly by PM or email.

My question that you have avoided:

Given the above why should players contact you?

if you dont pm him with your legit claim, you may not have this offer again, simple as that.

FYI laurie there is nothing simple; or clear cut, when it comes to any casino properties owned by The Virtual Casino Group or those administered by Gambling Wagers.

Just because your a member here and know about Marty's assistance in having you and other CM member paid your legit winners from years back, there are many, many more players who wont know about this offer.

FYI and others...It is estimated that only 3 - 4% of online gamblers use & or visit gambling forums.

In this regard I find your statement above distasteful given the facts I've outlined above.


Cheers



Dave

 

[LaurieJim]

Marty...Please don't avoid my question.



Reiterating jetset...My post(s) are also not persecuting Marty, I'm merely trying to stand up of players who like CM members are owed legit winnings.

However unlike CM members, these players do not know about this payment/audit service being conducted by Marty.



My question that you have avoided:





FYI laurie there is nothing simple; or clear cut, when it comes to any casino properties owned by The Virtual Casino Group or those administered by Gambling Wagers.

Just because your a member here and know about Marty's assistance in having you and other CM member paid your legit winners from years back, there are many, many more players who wont know about this offer.

FYI and others...It is estimated that only 3 - 4% of online gamblers use & or visit gambling forums.

In this regard I find your statement above distasteful given the facts I've outlined above.


Cheers



Dave

Dave, im sorry you found my statement distasteful as i was talking about this forum alone(Casinomeister) and its members.There is no possible way to let all the forums that exist out there know about what Marty is trying to do to help people recover monies owed to them.

Why should i feel guilty for getting money that was owed to me in the past as well as other players getting theirs, i will not let you or anyone else make me feel like crap for getting paid something that should have been paid years ago and its simple as that


Laurie


ps I hope Marty answers your questions that you have been waiting on.

 

[chuchu59]

It would be wrong for Marty or GW for that matter to only resolve issues from players who grace this forum. That said, however, I do believe that Marty would soon be mapping out a plan to reach out for players that have not been paid and request that they submit their claims. Anything else would be seen as only a half-hearted attempt at clearing the bad names of the casinos in question.

As some players have actually been paid I believe that this is a good start. Without providing details, I believe that Marty should at least confirm that all players with legitimate claims will be paid although the time-table for the implementation is another matter.

 

[jetset]

Totally agreed.

I am not sure Marty wants it this way but if I were him I would be hoping for low-key responses from players that he had helped retrieve their monies. Too much hype only gives a feeling to the 'casual observer' that there are ulterior motives. Sorry if this offends anyone but that's what I truly feel.

Excellent point....and as Mephisto points out, it would be good to see some valid questions answered, too.

In the meantime, more strength to your arm in getting players paid, Marty!

Edited to add a correction regarding message boards. The following is a quote from an independent and large sample research study carried out by a UK university a couple of years back. The penetration of industry message boards has, imo, probably increased since then:

Message boards

Nearly 40% of respondents said they visited message boards or forums, contradicting previous perceptions of online gambling as a rather solitary activity. Message forums are visited to get information about sites (53% say they visit for this purpose), to have a general read and catch up on news (40% and 37% respectively), as well as find out about promotional offers (the most popular of all, cited by 65% of respondents).
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[The Dude]

t know about this offer.

FYI and others...It is estimated that only 3 - 4% of online gamblers use & or visit gambling forums...

Where'd you get this statistic? I think it's much higher than this - closer to a 30-40% range.

Besides, Casinomeister is not just a forum. The main site receives close to just as much traffic as the forum does - many visitors never even make it here. Just like many forum members have never ventured into the main website. They're forum junkies

Then there are the three newsletters - the webcast, and other means of communication.

So the reach is pretty wide - but even so, not all of the screwed over players will know of this effort.

I'll bet there are plenty of people who have quit online gambling because of the Virtual Casino group - so they'll probably never be aware of this effort to pay players.

Let's not forget that paying players is a basic function of a casino. If a casino has to boast that they pay their players, well it's like a restaurant boasting that they are serving food, or a shoe store announcing that they now have shoes.

 

[jetset]

More good points - there must be a significant number of noobies who came online, fell into the clutches of some of the more unscrupulous operators, got ripped off and never came back.

Not that crooked operators give a damn - they're notorious for short term thinking.

And note the factual stats on message board usage in the post above yours (late edit) Bryan.