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Hi everyone,

I am a ruby fortune casino player. I have become highly addicted with big losses over the past 6 months so 3 weeks ago I 've asked them for self exclusion. After 1 week from my request, I tried to deposit again some money and I realized that my account was still valid and open. I lost 2000 euros within a couple of hours....

How can I get these money back, since my account should have been blocked from my previous request.

Thanks,

Nikos

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i dont like the fact that they didnt close your account, but in my eyes, YOU are responisble for what you do or where you spend your money on...
man you are a grown up, so dont cry like a baby...
this money is gone and I will assure you that you have absolutely no chance to ever see it again.
There is lots of professional help for gambilng problems! But they only can try to help you. You have to be the one who controls yourself...

AND, even if they would have closed your account, I am sure that you would have gambled away this money at another OC... there are millions and they are all happy to take your money, obviously!
Your fault
 
Hi everyone,

I am a ruby fortune casino player. I have become highly addicted with big losses over the past 6 months so 3 weeks ago I 've asked them for self exclusion. After 1 week from my request, I tried to deposit again some money and I realized that my account was still valid and open. I lost 2000 euros within a couple of hours....

How can I get these money back, since my account should have been blocked from my previous request.

Thanks,

Nikos

Sorry to hear about your problem with this casino Nikos. I would have thought this group (The Palace Group) would have took some notes and learned a few tips and pointers from this thread "Palace Group Rules Shenanigans" from back in May but if what you say is true then it appears that they may not have.

I do think you should have confirmed with them too though that they had for sure closed your account and totally excluded you from any and all future deposits there within a couple of days after telling them to. If they in fact did not, then that does not look good at all for Ruby Fortune here since they are listed as an "Accredited Casino" here at Casinomeister!

Did you do that with them? And did you also receive a confirmation email that your deposits had in fact been cut off there?

That is absolutely their responsibility to do that once you have asked them to.
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Sorry to hear about your problem with this casino Nikos. I would have thought this group (The Palace Group) would have took some notes and learned a few tips and pointers from this thread "Palace Group Rules Shenanigans" from back in May but if what you say is true then it appears that they may not have.

I do think you should have confirmed with them too though that they had for sure closed your account and totally excluded you from any and all future deposits there within a couple of days after telling them to. If they in fact did not, then that does not look good at all for Ruby Fortune here since they are listed as an "Accredited Casino" here at Casinomeister!

Did you do that with them? And did you also receive a confirmation email that your deposits had in fact been cut off there?

That is absolutely their responsibility to do that once you have asked them to.
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That's a good approach, thanks.

I did not contact them to confirm my account blocking and I did not get any confirmation email regarding that subject. I will contact them and let you know their official reply.
 
Welcome to the forum!

Sorry to read that yet again another Casino didn't lock the players account when asked. :mad:

But I do have to ask you tho .... if you had won on the deposits you made, would you have still asked for the deposits back :confused:

Again ... welcome to the forum! :thumbsup:
 
Hi everyone,

I am a ruby fortune casino player. I have become highly addicted with big losses over the past 6 months so 3 weeks ago I 've asked them for self exclusion. After 1 week from my request, I tried to deposit again some money and I realized that my account was still valid and open. I lost 2000 euros within a couple of hours....

How can I get these money back, since my account should have been blocked from my previous request.

Thanks,

Nikos

I have to wonder why you even logged in an then when you saw that you could log in why did you deposit such a huge amounts 2000 euros?
If it is that bad then you should throw out your pc
I am sorry that you lost but you deposited on your own no one made you do it

Cindy:)
 
Touchy one this one.

It all depends when you asked to have the account closed to then try and re-deposit, did you give them time to act upon your request?, I think 24-48 hours is a acceptable time frame to have this account closed. if it was left open after this time then I feel you do have a case, if not, then I feel the issue lies with you.

Are you really being honest with yourself trying to get out of gambling or are you looking for those loopholes to try and get around things like this and not wanting to truly stop.

I sure hope YOU are doing everything in YOUR power to try and stop the gambling, if your not honest with yourself then you are fighting a losing battle my friend.

If you truly wanted to stop you would be cancelling all your credit/debit cards, start looking into Gamblers Anonymous and find anything in your local area. then you should probably pack the computer into a cupboard for a while to start doing those things you used to do.
 
Welcome to the forum!

Sorry to read that yet again another Casino didn't lock the players account when asked. :mad:

But I do have to ask you tho .... if you had won on the deposits you made, would you have still asked for the deposits back :confused:

Again ... welcome to the forum! :thumbsup:


Of course not, BUT would the casino have paid?

There have been cases of casinos REFUSING to pay WINNINGS in this very scenario.

1) Player asks for account to be locked
2) Player gets tempted, and finds account STILL OPEN.
3) Player deposits, and WINS
4) Casino says, sorry -can't pay as you "self excluded last xxxxxx"
5) Player ONLY gets deposit back.

Given the above, it is not only the PLAYER that complains on one outcome, and not the other - it can be the casino too!

5) should work both ways. If player has winnings confiscated when playing a "self excluded" account, so should the casino have IT'S winnings confiscated where they come from an account that is "self excluded" but through incompetence has been left available to the player.


Casinos should take requests for such "self exclusion" MORE SERIOUSLY. At present, it seems they are often dealt with as a mundane CS enquiry, with a lack of consistency in procedure when received, and outcome when processed.

Players too should NOT "cry wolf" and ask for "self exclusion", or has been demonstrated in one case even use terms such as "addicted" that imply loss of control in conversations with CS, lest they DO take it seriously, as players who go on a "rant" about poor payouts sometimes find (CS can mistake it as a loss of control of the habit, and thus set an exclusion). One player who merely described an aspect of the games as "addictive" found themselves flagged as "problem gambler" in the system.:eek:

This issue again seems to show that Palace Group have lost their sparkle, even their way. They are "firefighting", rather than having a management structure that lends itself to getting it right first time. The issue "Palace group Shenanigans" was an issue, the "firefighters" put it out, but now another part of the operation has been the source of another issue, one just as bad (if not more so).
 
I do sympathise with you Nikos and I know it won't help how you are currently feeling about yourself, but I can completely empathise with your situation.

Several years ago when living in Gibraltar and working for Ladbrokes, being surrounded in and outside work by people living the industry. I found myself in a situation you are now experiencing.

I opened a William Hills Sportsbook and Casino account and over a period of several months managed to lose nearly 10,000. I had to take out a loan over 5 years to pay that back. It nearly ruined my relationship, my career, in short everything.

Luckily and thankfully my then girlfriend who is now my wife, was extremely supportive. She helped me take control back and beat the addiction I had. I got Hills to lock down my accounts and I gave K access to my internet banking account, she also had sole access to our post box. Whereby I couldn't hide any gambling activity from her.

This is a very important step to take if you really do want to beat this addicition you have.

There is no point lamenting over the additional 2,000 euros you have lost. You yourself have stated in this thread that you received no confirmation from the Palace Group that your account was locked down. Additionally as an eCogra certified casino, Ruby Fortune would have also had to offer you the chance to self exclude yourself for a minimum period of 6 months from all eCogra certified casinos.

Perhaps there is an issue with Ruby Fortune on not acting quickly enough to your request. However as an adult, you also have to take responsibility for your actions. These are two seperate issues.

What is done is done. You can't and will be very unlikely to get your losses back. But there is help out there for you, should you want to receive it.

With regards the timescale as to how long a casino should take to lock your account, should you admit to a gambling problem or request for self exclusion. I believe it should be no more than a couple of hours maximum. Let alone 24 or 48 hours.

Just the other week after a bad run on Thunderstruck now as far as I am concerned forever known as Thundersucks :rolleyes: , I requested 32red lock my account for 6 months. I contacted PatH and within the hour, my account was locked down. Is it any wonder 32Red always win the CM Best Casino award. :D

In short, I really hope you take the help that is available for you Nikos. Below are some links to useful information that will help you.

In the meantime, has your account now been locked down? If not perhaps ask Bryan or Max to give the Ruby Fortune / Palace Group rep a nudge to do the right thing.

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Hi Nikos!

How exactly did you ask them? If it was during chat conversation CS rep could easily forget about it right after session ending.

I think it's important for further actions to have at least email requests copies.
 
Sympathies, Nikos - this is no easy thing to overcome, but it can be beaten.

May I suggest that you go to ecogra.org and place a complaint in the online dispute channel that you will find there, giving full details of your exclusion request and Ruby Fortune's apparent failure to attend to it?

Self exclusion requests are regarded in a serious light by eCOGRA as part of the responsible gambling requirements, and I'm sure they will want to look into this unacceptable failure by one of their accredited operators.
 
**BUMP**

Nikos, have you submitted a complaint?

This sort of apparent failure of a casino's very important Responsible Gambling obligations always interests me and I would like to know what is happening?
 
Hi Niklos - I sympathize with your problem,but when dealing with a serious issue like this, one must ensure that your ass is covered.


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I did not contact them to confirm my account blocking and I did not get any confirmation email regarding that subject. I will contact them and let you know their official reply.
Damn! That's where you messed up. Always - ALWAYS get a confirmation email when requesting account blocks/closures. THEN uninstall the casino. Don't ever go back.

Sorry to read that yet again another Casino didn't lock the players account when asked. :mad:
But we don't know this. Looks like the closure request didn't get through.

... This issue again seems to show that Palace Group have lost their sparkle, even their way. They are "firefighting", rather than having a management structure that lends itself to getting it right first time. The issue "Palace group Shenanigans" was an issue, the "firefighters" put it out, but now another part of the operation has been the source of another issue, one just as bad (if not more so).

Please don't make assumptions. Apparently the player's request was not submitted/confirmed.
 
I play one of the Palace groups casinos and they are still offering 20%
bonus on reversals. They say play with no risk,its just extra money and you can still withdaw any time, not mentioning that the cash you play after the
reversal is yours, the bonus is only played after your cash has gone.
They seem to do everything they can to persuade the more vulnerable players to lose, 1 withdrawal a week with a low maximim.
 
Why didn't the player just keep entering the wrong password when logging in to the casino software.

After X number of goes it locks your account automatically and you need to contact support to get it reopened.
That's a damn good idea - never thought of that.
 
Here is a better idea. Change your password. Make the exclusion/bann me request. Then change your pass word and after confirming it, delete the confirmation e mail. Do not write the password down, and make it something like this. "fgj5k8dbn31sn".

Yea, hehehe, now goodluck logging in even if your account is still open.
 
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Why didn't the player just keep entering the wrong password when logging in to the casino software.

After X number of goes it locks your account automatically and you need to contact support to get it reopened.

This is a good idea, however if you have never put in the wrong password how would you know this will happen. I have been playing MG for years and just found this out a couple of months ago after trying to retrieve a bonus from a casino I had not played at in about a year.

Its good to know though. Good Luck with getting help.
 
Amazing! I did not expect that much concern by the members of this forum.

Thanks for your comments, support and advices. I really appreciate it.

One more thing. I am Greek and my english language skills are limited, in some posts I did not get the point.

Anyway, sharing my problem with my wife was a good start. As in the past I have tried various ways for "killing it" I think that a permanent solution would be to have someone who cares, controlling your money. I know that it sounds silly but after 15 years of addiction and from loan to loan the only way to deal it is to admit my weakness. 15 YEARS of failure, how can I feel confident that I will beat it in the future without someone else's help?

Regarding the 2K issue, please be just a little more patient... They did have received my self exclusion request (not via chatting with their CR representative) many days before my "rebound".

Nikos
 
One more thing. In my first post I told you that I became very addicted the last 6 months and in the previous post I am admitting that I face the problem for the last 15 years. Well, do not thing that I lie to you, the explanation is that the last 6 months, I maybe lost (never counted, could not afford it) an amount equal to the amount I 've lost the 14,5 previous years where I was more "rational" :confused: player.
 
Just the other week after a bad run on Thunderstruck now as far as I am concerned forever known as Thundersucks :rolleyes: , I requested 32red lock my account for 6 months. I contacted PatH and within the hour, my account was locked down. Is it any wonder 32Red always win the CM Best Casino award.

After one of my less than favourable months I was speaking with Pat. Told him I might have a rest for a while. He offered to exclude me for a while.

I declined but that's not the point...

Not too many casino owners/operators would make that type of call!

:thumbsup: 32Red...Your certainly in a class of your own :)


Cheers

Dave
 
Additionally as an eCogra certified casino, Ruby Fortune would have also had to offer you the chance to self exclude yourself for a minimum period of 6 months from all eCogra certified casinos.

Double-edged sword IMO. An addict will find a way to gamble - this will simply (arguably) mean he/she can no longer access good casinos and end up at bad ones.

Why didn't the player just keep entering the wrong password when logging in to the casino software.

After X number of goes it locks your account automatically and you need to contact support to get it reopened.

That's effective with MG. Worth noting that it doesn't seem to work with Playtech as the lock is temporary :thumbsup:
 
Double-edged sword IMO. An addict will find a way to gamble - this will simply (arguably) mean he/she can no longer access good casinos and end up at bad ones.

Yes to a point I agree with you. But realising you have a problem is the first step on the long road to recovery. Getting yourself excluded is part of that first step IMO.
 
I agree - whilst the will to stop is strong go after every self-exclusion possible and stay the hell away from all enticements.

Niklos - have you entered a complaint regarding your allegations against the casino yet? If the management has not met acceptable responsible gambling standards it needs to be sorted out.
 
I've been in contact with the casino on this. Here is what happened:

"Upon investigation of the account, it was identified that in fact an error had been made. Procedure was followed but unfortunately the guest account and not the real account was locked which allowed for the player to deposit again.

We took full responsibility in this matter ( once again not knowing anything about the CasinoMeister thread). We contacted the player and asked him to sign off a payment release form and informed him that once this was done, we would refund the full amount of his deposit from the date of his request.

We received the signed document from Nikos on 7 October 2009 and refunded him on 8 October 2009 for the full amount of 2020.00"

I think the casino should be commended for handling this so well.

@nikos - please confirm when you have received your funds. Thanks!
 
I've been in contact with the casino on this. Here is what happened:

"Upon investigation of the account, it was identified that in fact an error had been made. Procedure was followed but unfortunately the guest account and not the real account was locked which allowed for the player to deposit again.

We took full responsibility in this matter ( once again not knowing anything about the CasinoMeister thread). We contacted the player and asked him to sign off a payment release form and informed him that once this was done, we would refund the full amount of his deposit from the date of his request.

We received the signed document from Nikos on 7 October 2009 and refunded him on 8 October 2009 for the full amount of 2020.00"

I think the casino should be commended for handling this so well.

@nikos - please confirm when you have received your funds. Thanks!

Agreed!

nikos - you should note that you will most likely be entered onto the MGS wide self exclusion database. This SHOULD prevent you from using ANY MGS powered casino, and should also result in any NEW accounts at MGS casinos opened in a moment of weakness are quickly LOCKED.
If you are currently playing in other MGS casinos, DON'T DEPOSIT, but ask for these to be shut down too, this is because the self exclusion should filter through to these in due course, and you really don't want to deposit, and THEN get locked out with your deposit trapped.

Others have suggested applications like "Gamblock", which block access to gambling sites. Although not impossible, the application makes further gambling very difficult unless you buy a new PC, or completely reinstall Windows. It will buy time until you can get to grips with the problem.
 
I've been in contact with the casino on this. Here is what happened:

"Upon investigation of the account, it was identified that in fact an error had been made. Procedure was followed but unfortunately the guest account and not the real account was locked which allowed for the player to deposit again.

We took full responsibility in this matter ( once again not knowing anything about the CasinoMeister thread). We contacted the player and asked him to sign off a payment release form and informed him that once this was done, we would refund the full amount of his deposit from the date of his request.

We received the signed document from Nikos on 7 October 2009 and refunded him on 8 October 2009 for the full amount of 2020.00"

I think the casino should be commended for handling this so well.

@nikos - please confirm when you have received your funds. Thanks!


Kudos to the casino for what imo is a commendable acceptance of fault and an appropriate resolution....and to Bryan for bringing this issue to their attention.
 
I've been in contact with the casino on this. Here is what happened:

"Upon investigation of the account, it was identified that in fact an error had been made. Procedure was followed but unfortunately the guest account and not the real account was locked which allowed for the player to deposit again.

We took full responsibility in this matter ( once again not knowing anything about the CasinoMeister thread). We contacted the player and asked him to sign off a payment release form and informed him that once this was done, we would refund the full amount of his deposit from the date of his request.

We received the signed document from Nikos on 7 October 2009 and refunded him on 8 October 2009 for the full amount of 2020.00"

I think the casino should be commended for handling this so well.

@nikos - please confirm when you have received your funds. Thanks!

A Big kudos to the casino for taking this approach! Shows a commitment to responsable gambling. !!!
 
Well I commend Ruby Fortune for refunding this players money. What I question is why so many casinos conveniently make these mistakes and the players account remains open. I think this is a perfect testament just how cavalier even trusted casinos are when it comes to problem gamblers. So cavalier infact that they cannot even take 10 seconds to double check their work to ascertain this player does not have access to their account anymore.

IMHO the industry is a complete joke when it comes to gambling addicts. First of all it's hard to even conceive how we can be 10+ years since the advent of online gambling, yet only one of the casino softwares offer self exclusion right from the software, (RIVAL). Why do you think that is? And even rival only excludes you from the one brand instead of across all rivals like they should. RTG is a big joke, I don't think they have the word problem gambling in their vocabulary. Microgaming is probably the most ethical when it comes to problem gambling, but even they could make a lot of improvements.

The industry wants problem gamblers, how else can you justify not offering self exclusion right from within the software? Then we have situations like this where for one reason or another, the account was never locked. The funny thing is that I've been in the same boat as this player, and conveniently most of my requests either go ignored as well or a mistake is conveniently made and my account remains open. Infact it often takes threatening emails from me to hit the affiliate forums before I can make something happen. Maybe it has something to do with the kind of money a certain player loses and the casino not wanting to lose that action. But all I can tell you is after what I have experienced the past several years in this industry as a player, it makes me sick to my stomach to think how underhanded some of these casinos are that will stop at nothing to earn a buck.

It will always be up to the player to get help with his/her gambling addiction, but that doesn't mean this industry should be given a free pass to act cavalier or irresponsible towards problem gamblers. There are some rudimentary actions this industry can take to be more responsible, and until that happens I have to believe this industry wants problem gamblers. There is no other way to justify the current protocols.

Perhaps when this industry gets regulated the casinos will start acting more responsibly when it comes to problem gamblers. Maybe regulation will also stop these casinos from holding players money hostage with their nickel and dime $4K max weekly cashout limits in hopes that the player will give it all back. Either way this industry needs a lot of work, especially when it comes to problem gamblers and I am hopeful that one day progress will be made and there will be consequences for underhanded casinos who do not act responsibly towards players with a gambling problem.
 
I think the implication here that online casino companies are disinterested in curbing problem gambling is a little unfair.

Many companies - I'm thinking Bwin and many Microgaming licensees, for example - go to considerable lengths to guard against problem gambling, which btw presents more problems than profits for an operator.

And certainly EGBA leans heavily on its members to maintain active responsible gambling programs.

Bwin has spent millions in funding problem gambling research with respected outfits like Harvard, instituting site precautions and supporting the efforts of problem gambling counsellors. It is also an active particpant in the ongoing series of problem gambling training courses for casino management and staff that eCOGRA holds every year.

These training courses are also regularly attended by most of the Microgaming licensees, who often at some expense fly their staff in from various points on the planet for the purpose. They also go further than merely putting a Gamcare logo on their websites, incorporating problem gambling dedicated pages where players can self diagnose their gambling patterns and if required self-exclude themselves or interact with independent problem gambling organisations.
 
...Many companies - I'm thinking Bwin and many Microgaming licensees, for example - go to considerable lengths to guard against problem gambling, which btw presents more problems than profits for an operator.

And certainly EGBA leans heavily on its members to maintain active responsible gambling programs.

Bwin has spent millions in funding problem gambling research with respected outfits like Harvard, instituting site precautions and supporting the efforts of problem gambling counsellors. It is also an active particpant in the ongoing series of problem gambling training courses for casino management and staff that eCOGRA holds every year.

These training courses are also regularly attended by most of the Microgaming licensees, who often at some expense fly their staff in from various points on the planet for the purpose. They also go further than merely putting a Gamcare logo on their websites, incorporating problem gambling dedicated pages where players can self diagnose their gambling patterns and if required self-exclude themselves or interact with independent problem gambling organisations.
Execllent post Jetset.

I can feel the frustration and vexation that members like bonusgeek have voiced. And it boils down to who and who isn't participating in responsible gaming. Kudos to Ruby Fortune, and I hope this serves as an example for others to follow - accredited and non-accredited casinos alike.

Every casino listed in the Accredited Section should be maintaining the same standards and I would expect them to be proactive on this. It's tough spotting problem gamblers and sometimes it takes some hoof work. But requests for exclusions should always be honored.

Yeah, sure - shady clip shot joints will "conveniently" lose requests to block accounts. That's par for the course in the dark side of online gaming. But for the most part, I feel that online gamblers are safer online than in a brick and mortar casino when it comes to curbing problem gambling. As long as these players stick with legitimate casinos, they should be in good hands.

Unfortunately, greedy roguish entities will always be there to take their bets.
 
Of course not, BUT would the casino have paid?

There have been cases of casinos REFUSING to pay WINNINGS in this very scenario.

1) Player asks for account to be locked
2) Player gets tempted, and finds account STILL OPEN.
3) Player deposits, and WINS
4) Casino says, sorry -can't pay as you "self excluded last xxxxxx"
5) Player ONLY gets deposit back.

Given the above, it is not only the PLAYER that complains on one outcome, and not the other - it can be the casino too!

5) should work both ways. If player has winnings confiscated when playing a "self excluded" account, so should the casino have IT'S winnings confiscated where they come from an account that is "self excluded" but through incompetence has been left available to the player.

Yup. Was going to say something similar.

I wonder if, for these tricky spots where it's hard to know if the delay is due to simple error, failure to implement effective procedures or (shock, horror!) actual unethical intentional lag...some sort of Common Law or historical action rule of thumb could be used to regulate future actions....

So, for Ruby Fortune here (amazing result): In the future, should they face a situation where a player has WON during a mistaken delay in applying the requested Exclusion....they could point to this and say "hey, we pay out when player loses in this spot - refunding player deposit is all we can be expected to do here!"

In fact, if this were uniform policy (REFUSAL to pay out winnings, all bets refunded) from the moment a player requests to be Excluded, that would be close to perfect handling of the complex issue, imo. As a gambler who's faced this myself once, I know that if SOP is that my bets are effectively play money from that point, the Self-Exclusion is effective immediately.

Players could never look to angle-shoot casinos who've simply made a mistake. Casinos could never look to angle-shoot players by intentionally delaying the Exclusion.

I requested exclusion from the casino side of a poker site as I have a lot on there for H/MSNL - and the nature of H/MSNL means a lot of sitting around bored as players sit out against you, or games break when you sit, or players win a small amount and immediately run, etc. It's very frustrating and boring - and after losing 200k <?> or so on house edge sidegames, I bit the bullet and requested Exclusion from their 2 casinos which were attached to my poker bankroll.

They excluded me from one fairly quickly, but it took many weeks before I was excluded from the poker client sidegames. During that time, bored with empty tables, I lost a lot on those sidegames. Eventually, frustrated, I demanded Exclusion and they panicked and 'accelerated' the block. I did feel hard done by, to be honest. But I took it no further as I believe:
a) It was a genuine mistake and that there were complications for the very long delay.
b) I'm a big believer in taking personal responsibility for your actions (I could have hassled them more to Block me, I could have started my sessions on other sites more often whilst I knew the exclusion wasn't in place, etc).
c) On the *very* slim chance that my large volume of wagering on high HA games resulted in a net win, they would have had a really angry poker player on their hands with the ability to bring down a fair amount of heat onto them from poker community. So I felt it would be unfair to even scold them for the delay, let alone request any form of reimbursement.

But the fact is, I was a bit hard done by. If casinos had a stated policy of: All Wagers Made Post Self-Exclusion Request Are Null and Void - I reckon that would eliminate all potential for confusion. As a gambler, if you know the bets were void, you wouldn't even make them as you know you're playing play money literally.

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I have similar concerns with casinos who don't pay out on Underage Wins but who happily accept Underage Losses - with the understanding this is a far more complex issue.

When I was 16, I wandered into Jupiters Casino on the Gold Coast with friends - completely unaware that gambling was 18+ only. I wasn't carded, I had like $10 to my name, and I won $60 or something. I looked very young for my age - and ofc, as I was leaving I was asked for ID. Long story short:They took the winnings and gave me my $10 back and we all had a good laugh.

It was only weeks later that I thought "hmm, if my first bet had lost......?"

You know?
 
I think the implication here that online casino companies are disinterested in curbing problem gambling is a little unfair.

Many companies - I'm thinking Bwin and many Microgaming licensees, for example - go to considerable lengths to guard against problem gambling, which btw presents more problems than profits for an operator.

And certainly EGBA leans heavily on its members to maintain active responsible gambling programs.

Bwin has spent millions in funding problem gambling research with respected outfits like Harvard, instituting site precautions and supporting the efforts of problem gambling counsellors. It is also an active particpant in the ongoing series of problem gambling training courses for casino management and staff that eCOGRA holds every year.

These training courses are also regularly attended by most of the Microgaming licensees, who often at some expense fly their staff in from various points on the planet for the purpose. They also go further than merely putting a Gamcare logo on their websites, incorporating problem gambling dedicated pages where players can self diagnose their gambling patterns and if required self-exclude themselves or interact with independent problem gambling organisations.

Your right, there are definitely many online brands that do act responsibly towards problem gamblers, no doubt about that. I just don't understand why the major software providers themselves can't make more of an effort to stop gambling addicts from gaining access to the software. Surely offering self exclusion right from the software would be the responsible thing to do, then mistakes like this situation here don't even come into play. Is it too technically challenging?

My whole thing is these big software companies make a conscious decision not to offer self exclusion from within the software, and my guess is this boils down to profit when this topic is being discussed in the board rooms. The current system doesn't work, case and point with this situation here; all the while the one thing that would work (self exclusion from within the software) is intentionally not being done, and there is a reason for that. That's all I am saying.
 
Well I commend Ruby Fortune for refunding this players money. What I question is why so many casinos conveniently make these mistakes and the players account remains open. I think this is a perfect testament just how cavalier even trusted casinos are when it comes to problem gamblers. So cavalier infact that they cannot even take 10 seconds to double check their work to ascertain this player does not have access to their account anymore.

IMHO the industry is a complete joke when it comes to gambling addicts. First of all it's hard to even conceive how we can be 10+ years since the advent of online gambling, yet only one of the casino softwares offer self exclusion right from the software, (RIVAL). Why do you think that is? And even rival only excludes you from the one brand instead of across all rivals like they should. RTG is a big joke, I don't think they have the word problem gambling in their vocabulary. Microgaming is probably the most ethical when it comes to problem gambling, but even they could make a lot of improvements.

The industry wants problem gamblers, how else can you justify not offering self exclusion right from within the software? Then we have situations like this where for one reason or another, the account was never locked. The funny thing is that I've been in the same boat as this player, and conveniently most of my requests either go ignored as well or a mistake is conveniently made and my account remains open. Infact it often takes threatening emails from me to hit the affiliate forums before I can make something happen. Maybe it has something to do with the kind of money a certain player loses and the casino not wanting to lose that action. But all I can tell you is after what I have experienced the past several years in this industry as a player, it makes me sick to my stomach to think how underhanded some of these casinos are that will stop at nothing to earn a buck.

It will always be up to the player to get help with his/her gambling addiction, but that doesn't mean this industry should be given a free pass to act cavalier or irresponsible towards problem gamblers. There are some rudimentary actions this industry can take to be more responsible, and until that happens I have to believe this industry wants problem gamblers. There is no other way to justify the current protocols.

Perhaps when this industry gets regulated the casinos will start acting more responsibly when it comes to problem gamblers. Maybe regulation will also stop these casinos from holding players money hostage with their nickel and dime $4K max weekly cashout limits in hopes that the player will give it all back. Either way this industry needs a lot of work, especially when it comes to problem gamblers and I am hopeful that one day progress will be made and there will be consequences for underhanded casinos who do not act responsibly towards players with a gambling problem.

Eh:eek:

So much as WIN from a free chip at one, and your accounts are locked across ALL Rival casinos, and you have to ASK/BEG etc. to have them unlocked, and many refuse, yet this "system" CANNOT handle a "self exclude" request such that a similar Rival wide account locking is executed.

What a load of .......................
 

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