Jammin Jars

[dunover]

What I don't understand is WHY they would only have one graphical representation of a 1,600x win.

Seriously, why?

It is going to be hit so seldomly, so how much effort is really needed to be put into making a few hundred different graphics for it? On the opposite side you will have 10x on a grand scale and I guarantee you you won't run into the same graphical representation for a 10x win because they've programed so many of them...riddle me that?

Who gives a shit? They can represent a 1600x win with a pool of cat piss for all I care, I'll take it!

 

[Team.Videoslots]

Hi @ChopleyIOM ,

Regarding what you mentioned in post #78 if you were referring to this video

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, I can confirm this was not played in demo mode.

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[electronictonic]

I agree about Shirox and the rest of them, Shirox gets x2000 and he complains, he never punches the air and seems genuinely interested, he just lets aout a deadpan thats something could have been "moyre" no emotion, the guy is a robot.
Go and watch old videos of someone like Fatsoplays, and you see the difference of a real player with real emotions playing with real money.

Another Casinogrounds streamer supersmask, had a session the other day, on John Hunter Davinci Treasures, the slot rep from pragmatic was there talking in the chat and said that the slot was 14/10 on voliatility scale. Supersmask was doing double click fast spins the whole time, and I counted at least 12 or 13 bonus triggers in less than 200 spins??! so many people on here go hundreds and hundreds of spins without a bonus, but 12 or 13 in like 200 spins...give me a break, I have been playing since 2004 ish and never seen that, and I like you have done millions of spins.

Good lord. People actually think shirox, casino daddy and roshtein are real.

Use some common sense people. Shirox says he is a financial advisor. Do you know what they are taught in school? To be smart with money, to invest it when you have the edge and always getting a return. Is it not a bit suspicious a financial advisor plays slots 12 hours a day power spinning 5 euros? Claims to have a job but plays slots all day and takes care of a baby?

Casinodaddy and roshtein uses viewbots to inflate their viewers when both channels have maybe 300 real viewers. Go to any channel on twitch that has 1k-5k viewers. The chat is going so fast you cant even see anything. These channels act like a 300 person channel.

Compare casinodaddy channel to casinotest24. the chat is almost as active as each other. The difference is, casinotest has 80-120 viewers and doesnt use viewbots. Not sticking up for him because I think he got caught playing underage. but yeah

All the casinoground guys are using viewbots just not as many to make in noticeable.

The casinos allowing these accounts to play with play money rtp should be ashamed of themselves and if they are accredited, they should instantly not be. They are using and allowing shady tactics to mislead people that is how real slots are played.

Next people will be telling me Daskelele is real and has real viewers LOL.

i remember when slotspinner had 70 viewers like a year ago. Suddenly he is rich and big enough to move to Sweden and suddenly aways had 500+ viewers.

That section is one giant scam and anyone who believes otherwise is a massive sucker that feeds this nonsense! There are maybe 5 real streamers and they are the guys betting 30 cents-$1

It blows my mind people who play slots believe people are doing $5-50 euro spins all day. You should all know that you would lose over 1 million a year doing this. Give it a rest and your head a shake. You are enabling them

These frauds should be outted and shut down so the other smaller channels who play and grind with their money can actually grow. Instead these dirt balls use view bots and fake money to get their way to the top.

But by all means keep supporting cheaters.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Hi @ChopleyIOM ,

Regarding what you mentioned in post #78 if you were referring to this video

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, I can confirm this was not played in demo mode.

For future reference, Videoslots do not work with ‘Fake Money Streamers’ and will not, as these are not the kind of streamers we would like to be associated with.

Br,
Team Videoslots.

Thanks for confirming that TeamVS.

So it appears that we're now looking at two affiliated streamers hitting two identical RNG calls for a 1600x stake win on a new slot they were promoting, on their live streams, within a short timeframe and likely no more than a few hundred spins apart. (And also we have to accept the explanation offered by trancemonkey that Push Gaming decided to only implement a single 'sequence' to represent that 1600x win.)

Seems legit.

 

[brianmon]

Thanks for confirming that TeamVS.

So it appears that we're now looking at two affiliated streamers hitting two identical RNG calls for a 1600x stake win on a new slot they were promoting, on their live streams, within a short timeframe and likely no more than a few hundred spins apart. (And also we have to accept the explanation offered by trancemonkey that Push Gaming decided to only implement a single 'sequence' to represent that 1600x win.)

Seems legit.

They haven't confirmed anything really. The video they have linked is not the same video as the discussion is about. It is a big win, but not the (identical) 1600x win.

 

[electronictonic]

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I'm not sure why I'm getting involved here because I know what's coming but here goes... and bear in mind this is just my theory, but is likely correct. I hope it is anyway as I've used a similar technique before to what I'm about to explain on a similar game...

On games such as Jammin Jars it would be almost impossible to design "reel bands" in the way you would normally do them. So what I imagine Push have done here is set up the game and then done billions of Games and stored the results.

Then what happens is this game runs in effect like a lottery... so the server is asked for a game and sends a sequence back. The sequences are sent back from the server but the sequence is already predetermined. In other words the choice of sequence is randomly determined but the sequences are preset.

For further clarity, imagine the chance of a 1600x win is 1 in 200,000. There may only be one pattern / sequence that pays 1600. So if the game chooses 1600x on that particular game to pay, then the sequence it shows to the player is the one you see in both videos.

Could they have designed the game so everything was a randomly determined on every drop... possibly. But if they HAVE done what I'm suggesting then it explains why the two are the same.

Caveat... I totally understand why this gives the impression that something underhand has gone on, but having done some complex games before that also needed to work on this "ticket" system (as we call it) it makes sense.

On a normal slot game you would ask the RNG for some reel band positions and just evaluate the win. But on this game I imagine they simply have a very large pool of outcomes and pick each one at random.

Its still random... it's not rigged. But yes if the pool is too small then shit like this happens. It would be good for Push to comment here though. My guess is I'm right... my second guess is that I very much doubt any of you will believe me

 

[ChopleyIOM]

They haven't confirmed anything really. The video they have linked is not the same video as the discussion is about. It is a big win, but not the (identical) 1600x win.

My bad, thanks for the spot.

VS did say they don't work with 'fake money streamers' though, which by implication would mean the video linked back on Page 1 of this thread would have to be in real money play as well.

 

[nikantw]

Hi @ChopleyIOM ,

Regarding what you mentioned in post #78 if you were referring to this video

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, I can confirm this was not played in demo mode.

For future reference, Videoslots do not work with ‘Fake Money Streamers’ and will not, as these are not the kind of streamers we would like to be associated with.

Br,
Team Videoslots.

Thanks for confirming that TeamVS.

So it appears that we're now looking at two affiliated streamers hitting two identical RNG calls for a 1600x stake win on a new slot they were promoting, on their live streams, within a short timeframe and likely no more than a few hundred spins apart. (And also we have to accept the explanation offered by trancemonkey that Push Gaming decided to only implement a single 'sequence' to represent that 1600x win.)

Seems legit.

Thanks teamVS, but isn't that a different video? How many >1000x wins did Shirox had in this game?!

 

[brianmon]

Hi @ChopleyIOM ,

Regarding what you mentioned in post #78 if you were referring to this video

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, I can confirm this was not played in demo mode.

For future reference, Videoslots do not work with ‘Fake Money Streamers’ and will not, as these are not the kind of streamers we would like to be associated with.

Br,
Team Videoslots.

That isn't the video in question. This is
And how it's an identical win to

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[Team.Videoslots]

Hello again ChopleyIOM and Nikantw,

I can confirm both wins were not played in demo mode.

Br,
Team Videoslots.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Just as a refresher and for anyone joining the thread now.

Here are the two wins running side by side. Two different streamers. Identical wins, played out in an identical fashion, whilst live streaming the slot during the launch window and promoting their affiliated links. (Note the values are different as one is on 4EUR spins and one is on 6EUR spins, but the end results as a multiplication of stake are identical at 1600.15x stake.)

 

[brianmon]

My bad, thanks for the spot.

VS did say they don't work with 'fake money streamers' though, which by implication would mean the video linked back on Page 1 of this thread would have to be in real money play as well.

They're hardly going to admit to anything else. This is just an internet forum, not a court of law.

 

[SpinUk]

How difficult would it for the developer here to pinpoint a player ID on their end point, and drop in a specific result.

Hint: easily.

The casino could legitimately deny all knowledge of it.

 

[dunover]

How difficult would it for the developer here to pinpoint a player ID on their end point, and drop in a specific result.

Hint: easily.

The casino could legitimately deny all knowledge of it.

Impossible, as they would have to disconnect the player from the casino server and somehow swap his play (without the casino knowing) to a specially constructed server pool containing just the one result. Then the accounting system at the casino would have to incorporate his win into his casino balance to ensure game continuity, all in the blink of an eye.
Trancemonkey will have fun with that bit of foil lol....

 

[Team.Videoslots]

Hello Everyone,

I have contacted the provider directly, to see if they can provide some information here.

Br,
Team Videoslots.

 

[lotusch]

Found it easier than I expected mate lol



My previous post shows slight memory lapses but still WHATEVER!!

He's another dipstick.

 

[dunover]

Hello Everyone,

I have contacted the provider directly, to see if they can provide some information here.

Br,
Team Videoslots.

Yes, I don't blame you as you cannot afford any doubts after providing those bogus 'RTP enhanced' GameArt demo games a while back.....


ATTN: Casino Rep - Demo play not the same as real - GameArt slots

 

[lotusch]

Good lord. People actually think shirox, casino daddy and roshtein are real.

Use some common sense people. Shirox says he is a financial advisor. Do you know what they are taught in school? To be smart with money, to invest it when you have the edge and always getting a return. Is it not a bit suspicious a financial advisor plays slots 12 hours a day power spinning 5 euros? Claims to have a job but plays slots all day and takes care of a baby?

Casinodaddy and roshtein uses viewbots to inflate their viewers when both channels have maybe 300 real viewers. Go to any channel on twitch that has 1k-5k viewers. The chat is going so fast you cant even see anything. These channels act like a 300 person channel.

Compare casinodaddy channel to casinotest24. the chat is almost as active as each other. The difference is, casinotest has 80-120 viewers and doesnt use viewbots. Not sticking up for him because I think he got caught playing underage. but yeah

All the casinoground guys are using viewbots just not as many to make in noticeable.

The casinos allowing these accounts to play with play money rtp should be ashamed of themselves and if they are accredited, they should instantly not be. They are using and allowing shady tactics to mislead people that is how real slots are played.

Next people will be telling me Daskelele is real and has real viewers LOL.

i remember when slotspinner had 70 viewers like a year ago. Suddenly he is rich and big enough to move to Sweden and suddenly aways had 500+ viewers.

That section is one giant scam and anyone who believes otherwise is a massive sucker that feeds this nonsense! There are maybe 5 real streamers and they are the guys betting 30 cents-$1

It blows my mind people who play slots believe people are doing $5-50 euro spins all day. You should all know that you would lose over 1 million a year doing this. Give it a rest and your head a shake. You are enabling them

These frauds should be outted and shut down so the other smaller channels who play and grind with their money can actually grow. Instead these dirt balls use view bots and fake money to get their way to the top.

But by all means keep supporting cheaters.

Boom, well said...

 

[Chipkin9]

Who gives a shit? They can represent a 1600x win with a pool of cat piss for all I care, I'll take it!

They sure can, and I would take it also.....but it still doesn't explain why they would do this with any sense of logic.

Which is why I believe that in fact the answer is no...no they don't just have one visual representation of 1,600x and yet there is one of the likely hundreds of combinations twice in succession.

1,600x in succession is nothing, but the same combo twice is more than suspicious, as you can see from the reaction of the thread.

 

[trancemonkey]

What I don't understand is WHY they would only have one graphical representation of a 1,600x win.

Seriously, why?

It is going to be hit so seldomly, so how much effort is really needed to be put into making a few hundred different graphics for it? On the opposite side you will have 10x on a grand scale and I guarantee you you won't run into the same graphical representation for a 10x win because they've programed so many of them...riddle me that?

We don't know they only have one... we are assuming they only have one because we saw two the same. They could have 10 different ones for all we know - it just happened to pick the same one. Unless someone from Push Gaming says something, we are guessing. I don't think it's dodgy, i just think they haven't through this through properly, that's all. Or maybe they have and they WANT people to see this sequence, because when you learn it you'll recognise it.

 

[trancemonkey]

They sure can, and I would take it also.....but it still doesn't explain why they would do this with any sense of logic.

Which is why I believe that in fact the answer is no...no they don't just have one visual representation of 1,600x and yet there is one of the likely hundreds of combinations twice in succession.

1,600x in succession is nothing, but the same combo twice is more than suspicious, as you can see from the reaction of the thread.

No, i very much doubt they have hundreds of combinations.

 

[trancemonkey]

Impossible, as they would have to disconnect the player from the casino server and somehow swap his play (without the casino knowing) to a specially constructed server pool containing just the one result. Then the accounting system at the casino would have to incorporate his win into his casino balance to ensure game continuity, all in the blink of an eye.
Trancemonkey will have fun with that bit of foil lol....

I have my foil-deflector on today

 

[Chipkin9]

I have my foil-deflector on today

 

[trancemonkey]

Hello Everyone,

I have contacted the provider directly, to see if they can provide some information here.

Br,
Team Videoslots.

I almost guarantee they have predetermined patterns, picked at random, and likely have only 1 or 2 that pay 1600x.

I also admit that the chance of two streamers both getting it live within a week is very ,very small. But Not impossible.
nAs an example, let's say the chance of that win is 1 in 200,000 (which would still account for 0.8% of the RTP just from one win...) and each of them player 500 spins on stream, this means the chance of it being hit in the stream is 1 in 400.

Now let's assume the other streamer played the same number of games. That means it's a 1 in 160,000 chance of happening in both streams. And this assumes they only have one pattern for the 1600x.

I will repeat though, i think this is almost certainly a situation where they have limited patterns for 1600x, have a pool of predetermined "drops" / "patterns" and have been unlucky / lucky (depending on your school of thought) that this has happened. I do not think they done anything dodgy.

 

[mariafbb]