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[ChopleyIOM]

Good explanation there trance although I think your given numbers there are flattering the probability of what occurred somewhat.

I'd hazard a guess that the probability of getting 1600x is rather less than that, and as you note, we're also accepting there that there's only one pattern for 1600x

(You know how many times I've had 1600x or better in over a decade of playing online slots? Once.)

As such your example really is a best case scenario, and even then, pretty bloody long odds.

I hope you can appreciate that from the player side of the fence, this thing really does look sketchy as fuck.

 

[trancemonkey]

Good explanation there trance although I think your given numbers there are flattering the probability of what occurred somewhat.

I'd hazard a guess that the probability of getting 1600x is rather less than that, and as you note, we're also accepting there that there's only one pattern for 1600x

(You know how many times I've had 1600x or better in over a decade of playing online slots? Once.)

As such your example really is a best case scenario, and even then, pretty bloody long odds.

I hope you can appreciate that from the player side of the fence, this thing really does look sketchy as fuck.

Yes, i do understand. I think they've been unlucky / unfortunate. Let's hope Videoslots get some answers...

 

[lotusch]

I also admit that the chance of two streamers both getting it live within a week is very ,very small. But Not impossible.

Why does all the nearly impossible stuff always materializes into something possible on those dreadful live streams.
Not only this as an example but also the fact they get big win after big win in any of their slots sessions, 5 scatters here, a 3000x stake win there, a jackpot etc etc.
Like it seems they cannot lose, whatever they do.

Fishy smelly dirty..I have no idea why they have so many followers (probably all severely hooked on slots)..

 

[deaconk78]

Good explanation there trance although I think your given numbers there are flattering the probability of what occurred somewhat.

I'd hazard a guess that the probability of getting 1600x is rather less than that, and as you note, we're also accepting there that there's only one pattern for 1600x

(You know how many times I've had 1600x or better in over a decade of playing online slots? Once.)

As such your example really is a best case scenario, and even then, pretty bloody long odds.

I hope you can appreciate that from the player side of the fence, this thing really does look sketchy as fuck.

Yes, i do understand. I think they've been unlucky / unfortunate. Let's hope Videoslots get some answers...

In the video comparison it just shows the bonus round being the same but none of the previous base game spins were identical ?

i did ask a bit further up the thread but didn't get a reply . I'm guessing not as i doubt people would bring that to the attention of the masses if there was a recognisable pattern to the approach of a 1600x win .

this kind of thing might've happened to all of us dozens of times with mega wins etc but it's rare we remember the pattern of the win .

worst thing about this is that i now know the names of some streamers that i didn't know before and don't wish to remember

 

[dave1888]

Exactly what I thought. And the wins are completely identical. Poor design by Push.


And people who are claiming that some streamers are fake. Why would they play with fake money when they actually earn money by playing with unlimited EV+ reloads? For example Shirox is not fake, he plays a high risk and high EV style reloading smallish amounts and playing max bet allowed on hv slots. And if Roshstein gets 300% on 2k deposit with no max bet then it would be insane not to play with real money.

Doesn't show his transactions bans anyone in chat who asks him to. He's faker than katie prices tits!!

 

[deaconk78]

Doesn't show his transactions bans anyone in chat who asks him to. He's faker than katie prices tits!!

but uses less plastic ?

 

[trancemonkey]

Why does all the nearly impossible stuff always materializes into something possible on those dreadful live streams.
Not only this as an example but also the fact they get big win after big win in any of their slots sessions, 5 scatters here, a 3000x stake win there, a jackpot etc etc.
Like it seems they cannot lose, whatever they do.

Fishy smelly dirty..I have no idea why they have so many followers (probably all severely hooked on slots)..

It is weird isn't it... i mean, i play slots a lot and the amount of videos i could make that had "hello youtube" wins in them is mind-numbingly small.
And yet every week on CasinoGrounds it's the same people all with their 1000x+ wins...

On most games, i imagine a 1000x+ win is probably no better than around 1 in 50,000 (and that would be if they accounted for 2% of the RTP). Now, some may be more and some less.
So let's assume we give them a whole 5% of the RTP. That means a 1,000x win could happen every 1 in 20,000 games right?

Now, given most games have a 3 second spin duration (when not fast played), that's 1200 games an hour (assuming they all last exactly 3 seconds) - but i know most games would probably run at half of that. So let's say streamers can play 700 games an hour (to be generous).

This means they have to play for 28.6 hours a week to have an average chance of getting them. And that's generous, as i doubt 1,000x+ wins happen anywhere near that often.

Maybe the main ones do do this - CasinoDaddy seems to have a team of people playing 100% of the time.

I am not saying they are real or fake as i don't have enough data - if they ARE fake, then at some point it will come out. One of the main streamers was bankrupt apparently, and is now back doing 50€ spins - how is that possible?

I defend this industry in the face of a whole lot of criticism and i stand by my guns that most people and companies are fair and above board.

But even i have some niggling doubts about some streamers.

 

[goatwack]

Well this has become more awkward than Theresa May's conference entrance

 

[dave1888]

but uses less plastic ?

Same amount of patene pro v though LUL

 

[brianmon]

It is weird isn't it... i mean, i play slots a lot and the amount of videos i could make that had "hello youtube" wins in them is mind-numbingly small.
And yet every week on CasinoGrounds it's the same people all with their 1000x+ wins...

On most games, i imagine a 1000x+ win is probably no better than around 1 in 50,000 (and that would be if they accounted for 2% of the RTP). Now, some may be more and some less.
So let's assume we give them a whole 5% of the RTP. That means a 1,000x win could happen every 1 in 20,000 games right?

Now, given most games have a 3 second spin duration (when not fast played), that's 1200 games an hour (assuming they all last exactly 3 seconds) - but i know most games would probably run at half of that. So let's say streamers can play 700 games an hour (to be generous).

This means they have to play for 28.6 hours a week to have an average chance of getting them. And that's generous, as i doubt 1,000x+ wins happen anywhere near that often.

Maybe the main ones do do this - CasinoDaddy seems to have a team of people playing 100% of the time.

I am not saying they are real or fake as i don't have enough data - if they ARE fake, then at some point it will come out. One of the main streamers was bankrupt apparently, and is now back doing 50€ spins - how is that possible?

I defend this industry in the face of a whole lot of criticism and i stand by my guns that most people and companies are fair and above board.

But even i have some niggling doubts about some streamers.

So, if you have 'niggling doubts' about some streamers.
What's your best guess on how they 'achieve' those huge wins, so regularly?

 

[dunover]

We don't know they only have one... we are assuming they only have one because we saw two the same. They could have 10 different ones for all we know - it just happened to pick the same one. Unless someone from Push Gaming says something, we are guessing. I don't think it's dodgy, i just think they haven't through this through properly, that's all. Or maybe they have and they WANT people to see this sequence, because when you learn it you'll recognise it.

Yes, it's no different to the very limited number of outcomes for the 4x4 Wild position on Fat Bastard and obviously there's only 1 5x5 on the full screen. I'll bet we see very similar big-win total on that too.

 

[trancemonkey]

So, if you have 'niggling doubts' about some streamers.
What's your best guess on how they 'achieve' those huge wins, so regularly?

That's the problem - i don't really have any other solution other than they just play a lot!
Because i can't believe any of the casinos they play at would be in on it.

If the casino is giving the streamers bonuses that normal people can't / don't get, then they are giving an unrealistic view of gambling (because in effect there is a lot less risk for the streamers than for normal players) and this is without doubt something i'm sure the regulators will have a problem with. Some people have said as much in here that they get special bonuses...

To be, that's just as wrong as "rigging the games" - which i don't believe is happening.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I just checked the last 10+ demo links I received for Push Gaming slots and none of them had demo modes like what Dunover showed in his video. Other providers regularly have them but as far I can go back without too much effort there were none from PG with demo modes.

But gotta say, love this conspiracy chatter.

 

[brianmon]

That's the problem - i don't really have any other solution other than they just play a lot!
Because i can't believe any of the casinos they play at would be in on it.

If the casino is giving the streamers bonuses that normal people can't / don't get, then they are giving an unrealistic view of gambling (because in effect there is a lot less risk for the streamers than for normal players) and this is without doubt something i'm sure the regulators will have a problem with. Some people have said as much in here that they get special bonuses...

To be, that's just as wrong as "rigging the games" - which i don't believe is happening.

Well the bigger streamers certainly get special bonuses, with lower wagering and higher max bets than ordinary customers.

And as far as believing casinos couldn't be complicit in anything dodgy. Weren't LeoVegas caught out allowing streamers to use fake money and test accounts?

 

[Oscar Arnhem]

Well the bigger streamers certainly get special bonuses, with lower wagering and higher max bets than ordinary customers.

And as far as believing casinos couldn't be complicit in anything dodgy. Weren't LeoVegas caught out allowing streamers to use fake money and test accounts?

remember CASINOROBOT with his TESTaccount

 

[goatwack]

Always maintained it's the software companies that have full control in proceedings, in this case creative control.

Casinos are complicit and pay the software suppliers a cut

And streamers are just the easily- bought useful idiots that shill their wares

 

[BrianGhattas]

@dave1888

Did “Jordan” finally put on some weight or is she still just tits on a stick? I saw a couple episodes of that show with her husband years ago and Katie was frighteningly thin. Seeing her from behind was not pleasurable.

This has been going on all morning, I see. It’s not going to make me quit playing slots but I will not watch those obviously dodgy streamers and there’s plenty of them. Reading this thread makes me miss CasinoTwitcher more. He quit streaming because of the garbage we’re seeing now.

 

[SpinUk]

@dave1888

Did “Jordan” finally put on some weight or is she still just tits on a stick? I saw a couple episodes of that show with her husband years ago and Katie was frighteningly thin. Seeing her from behind was not pleasurable.

This has been going on all morning, I see. It’s not going to make me quit playing slots but I will not watch those obviously dodgy streamers and there’s plenty of them. Reading this thread makes me miss CasinoTwitcher more. He quit streaming because of the garbage we’re seeing now.

The worse is the “Hello Youtube” guy in his little bedsit bedroom, doing £50 spins on book of the dead, then winning £60k.

Yes, right.

 

[Jono777]

Might be mistaken there Spin

The "Hello You Tube" guy I am thinking of is Interlog on here and is a genuine and decent bloke, he wouldn't play at those sorts of stakes.

As for Casino Twitcher - Yes he came across as a decent bloke but I even had my doubts about his sessions, had his fair share of losses but he also seemed to drag back a lot more than our average 96% RTP and always just at the right time

 

[Tengil]

That's the problem - i don't really have any other solution other than they just play a lot!
Because i can't believe any of the casinos they play at would be in on it.

If the casino is giving the streamers bonuses that normal people can't / don't get, then they are giving an unrealistic view of gambling (because in effect there is a lot less risk for the streamers than for normal players) and this is without doubt something i'm sure the regulators will have a problem with. Some people have said as much in here that they get special bonuses...

To be, that's just as wrong as "rigging the games" - which i don't believe is happening.

That's exactly what casinos are doing. Giving them almost unlimited EV+ reloads so they actually earn money just by playing.

And just in case some people don't understand, for example a 100% with 50x wagering is EV+. Even bonuses with a wr of 100x is EV+ as long as the betsize is high enough.

 

[SpinUk]

Might be mistaken there Spin

The "Hello You Tube" guy I am thinking of is Interlog on here and is a genuine and decent bloke, he wouldn't play at those sorts of stakes.

As for Casino Twitcher - Yes he came across as a decent bloke but I even had my doubts about his sessions, had his fair share of losses but he also seemed to drag back a lot more than our average 96% RTP and always just at the right time

Ok - must be a differant guy. The guys Channel I am talking about is Jarttuslot. His youtube channel is littered with multiple 5 figure wins, he always bets £20 or max bet.

 

[eizei]

That's the problem - i don't really have any other solution other than they just play a lot!
Because i can't believe any of the casinos they play at would be in on it.

If the casino is giving the streamers bonuses that normal people can't / don't get, then they are giving an unrealistic view of gambling (because in effect there is a lot less risk for the streamers than for normal players) and this is without doubt something i'm sure the regulators will have a problem with. Some people have said as much in here that they get special bonuses...

To be, that's just as wrong as "rigging the games" - which i don't believe is happening.

I really disagree with this especially about it being just as wrong as rigging the games as I don't think those two are even remotely comparable and I'm very surprised to hear you say that. As long as streamers are playing the same slots as everyone else I don't think there is anything misleading about it. If a viewer doesn't understand that the streamer is constantly playing with bonus money it would just look like they are losing a lot and that wouldn't exactly make it look appealing. No one I've watched has ever tried to imply a normal person could make a living playing slots on the contrary they state that's definitely not the case if asked. If you watch streams and/or youtube vids and get the idea that you can make money by gambling I would argue that's you being incredibly stupid and it's no one else's fault.

Most streamers seem to be getting 100% deposit bonuses for every deposit and many do have a regular 5€ max bet as well. Unless you play a lot and have already registered to just about every casino there is then as a regular player you can get those same kind of bonuses for several deposits every week. I don't play that much compared to many and I regularly get those kind of offers or find new casinos with decent welcome bonuses.

Ok - must be a differant guy. The guys Channel I am talking about is Jarttuslot. His youtube channel is littered with multiple 5 figure wins, he always bets £20 or max bet.

Have you ever actually watched his stream instead of youtube highlights? Every single time I've watched him he's ripping a balance of thousands because he's playing with those high bets. I'm not really a fan of the guy either as I don't think he's terribly entertaining but apparently he's showed his personal online bank account transactions on stream because of people like you and I don't think anyone should have to do that.

 

[SpinUk]

I really disagree with this especially about it being just as wrong as rigging the games as I don't think those two are even remotely comparable and I'm very surprised to hear you say that. As long as streamers are playing the same slots as everyone else I don't think there is anything misleading about it. If a viewer doesn't understand that the streamer is constantly playing with bonus money it would just look like they are losing a lot and that wouldn't exactly make it look appealing. No one I've watched has ever tried to imply a normal person could make a living playing slots on the contrary they state that's definitely not the case if asked. If you watch streams and/or youtube vids and get the idea that you can make money by gambling I would argue that's you being incredibly stupid and it's no one else's fault.

Most streamers seem to be getting 100% deposit bonuses for every deposit and many do have a regular 5€ max bet as well. Unless you play a lot and have already registered to just about every casino there is then as a regular player you can get those same kind of bonuses for several deposits every week. I don't play that much compared to many and I regularly get those kind of offers or find new casinos with decent welcome bonuses.



Have you ever actually watched his stream instead of youtube highlights? Every single time I've watched him he's ripping a balance of thousands because he's playing with those high bets. I'm not really a fan of the guy either as I don't think he's terribly entertaining but apparently he's showed his personal online bank account transactions on stream because of people like you and I don't think anyone should have to do that.

“People like you” - you mean people with a healthy amount of scepticism. No one forced him to show his bank statements, if indeed they were genuine. Maybe he could invest in another apartment with the hundreds of thousands he must be making, as most of the time he seems to be sitting on his bed in a room you could barely swing a cat in.

 

[Borgie]

“People like you” - you mean people with a healthy amount of scepticism. No one forced him to show his bank statements, if indeed they were genuine. Maybe he could invest in another apartment with the hundreds of thousands he must be making, as most of the time he seems to be sitting on his bed in a room you could barely swing a cat in.

To be fair you cant have it both ways - accuse him of being fake and then say when he shows bank statements to try and prove he isnt fake say no one forced you to do that . There has to be a fair trial surely !

To work out whether hes fake - perhaps look at the casinos he streams - are they the sort they allows fake streamers - for example we know VS do not.

The PP said hes watched him a lot and he loses a lot too as well as wins

I don't watch this particular streamer but those I do watch make it clear they get regular 100% bonuses - as many as they want basically , that their permitted Max bet is sometimes higher on a bonus than a regular punter and state the wagering. So no they aren't starting from the same starting line but they are not pretending they are .

Yes there are fake streamers but not all are .

 

[trancemonkey]

I really disagree with this especially about it being just as wrong as rigging the games as I don't think those two are even remotely comparable and I'm very surprised to hear you say that. As long as streamers are playing the same slots as everyone else I don't think there is anything misleading about it. If a viewer doesn't understand that the streamer is constantly playing with bonus money it would just look like they are losing a lot and that wouldn't exactly make it look appealing. No one I've watched has ever tried to imply a normal person could make a living playing slots on the contrary they state that's definitely not the case if asked. If you watch streams and/or youtube vids and get the idea that you can make money by gambling I would argue that's you being incredibly stupid and it's no one else's fault.

Most streamers seem to be getting 100% deposit bonuses for every deposit and many do have a regular 5€ max bet as well. Unless you play a lot and have already registered to just about every casino there is then as a regular player you can get those same kind of bonuses for several deposits every week. I don't play that much compared to many and I regularly get those kind of offers or find new casinos with decent welcome bonuses.



Have you ever actually watched his stream instead of youtube highlights? Every single time I've watched him he's ripping a balance of thousands because he's playing with those high bets. I'm not really a fan of the guy either as I don't think he's terribly entertaining but apparently he's showed his personal online bank account transactions on stream because of people like you and I don't think anyone should have to do that.

So by your own admittance they are receiving treated differently.. and as such this shows an untrue side of gambling. They aren't risking their own money...