I won the random jackpot! Palace of chance,,(or did I)

[Itoldyouso]

Man, these group of casinos are going to stick it to you USA players. Imagine the problems they gave us when Neteller, Firepay, and the others was available to us. Now you are surely askling for it. I wouldn't dare trust Virtual, Prism, Palace of Chance, and the rest in these group. If you are going to play. Quit trying to take up their bonus offers. You will more than likely lose in the end even if you manage to cashout a win! Infact deposit at Inetbet or Bodog they are RTG and they have shown to pay up without too much problems. If you are scared to risk your own money without big bonuses. Then gambling is not for you. I wouldnt give those rogue casinos one red cent of mines.

 

[lojo]

It would take a lot of figgerin and personal record keeping to effectively use free chips and bonuses anywhere the 'lifetime deposit' farce is used. Otherwise the only way to play (all else being equal) would be simply to know you are only going to get 10x back. That isn't a slot machine, it's another animal all together... AWCP amusement with crappy prizes?

There is definitely a point of diminishing returns. I've made the wagering requirements on inflated bonuses and free chips and redeposited (asked to have it done manually to save time and hassle) and tried to chip away at the deposit/bonus ratio. It's freakin near impossible. The streaks of luck needed to do it would pay handsomely elsewhere without ever using a bonus simply by reducing bet size.

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A bit off topic, but to explain last point:

The bonus farce (any max cash out aside)

• 
  Deposit $25 get 300% bonus, now I have $100
  Assume a 30x playthrough... I have to wager $3,000
  I only have $100 to start with so I'm not going to bet more than $1 per spin.

• 
  No bonus deposit of $25
  No playthrough
  To get the same 'action' I only have to reduce my bet to the same 1% or twent five cents. I can quit anytime at a win or loss.

++++++++++++++++++

To subject myself to any max cashout rule (other than possibly the 40,000x line bet) is ludicrous.

 

[mysticjoz]

I informed him of my intent to charge back and...

Sorry all, my email notification must have been off!
1st I DO live in one of the states where it is LEGAL to gamble on line!
2nd I knew before I wrote off this money I was going to let him "Andre" cool off and decide if he wanted to be honorable.. Where I was locked out of his "casino" I sent him one last email with my credit card company on stand by... and guess what. ( I surely will not believe this unitil I have it in my hands but I got this email back from Andre Rossi.
I did have to respond with the charges taken from my Bank included. which would make the total $1300. Like I said I will believe it when I have it in my hands. (then I can live up to the promise I made my 15 year old! )
*******************************************************
"Mysticjoz, (changed it because it had my first name)

I propose you to accept $1,000.00 to stop the disputing.

Please find attached to this email the document you need to sign in order to agree on the charges made on your credit card # ************* and to stop any chargeback action.

As soon we will receive it signed, we will transfer $1,000 via Western Union to you.

Let me know what do you think or if you have something different in mind.

Regards,

Andre Rossi
POC manger

 

[mysticjoz]

I only reread the first two pages of this thread, but Mystic do you have an accurate amount of your deposit to bonus ratio? If you have received as much in bonuses as you've deposited, then you are definitely entitled to at least the $250. It's a bullshit rule and it sucks (as do most of the max cashout rules at RTG), but once again they covered themselves by putting it in there.

I'd be more concerned about the fact that you say they took five unauthorized deposits from your bank account. You'd certainly be within your rights to do a chargeback, but keep in mind that some casinos/payment processors share a database which tracks player chargebacks, NSF's, etc. You could very well end up on a blacklist...not saying you will, just that it's a possibility. Of course, you could be so soured on gambling period that you could give a rat's ass....also understandable. Just a thought. In any event, if it were me, and you didn't make those five deposits you spoke of...I would definitely dispute those. Were they direct from your bank...or you mentioned Click2Pay also?

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First off, yes I did keep accurate accounting. also, If you go back to the copy of the chat sesion it shows the casino manager changing how much in bonuses i received. He went from a grand to 3 grand by the end of the chat.
Second I had made some deposits in the beginning with my debit card from my bank,... I was playing with 2 "reversed cash outs" the day they took (5) $20 withdrawals from my bank! I had to lock them from being able to take any more funds which is why I went back to click2pay.
But I would recomend browsing back and reviewing the chats before assuming I did not keep records, or that I did anything wrong.
It is not illegal to gamble on line in my state. The only thing I did wrong was Trust people I thought were legit.
Lastly: I dont know if it was you who mentioned it, about me "playing at a rougued casino" again... refer to the beginning posts. It states "boy I wish I found this site one day earlier!

 

[mysticjoz]

Man, these group of casinos are going to stick it to you USA players. Imagine the problems they gave us when Neteller, Firepay, and the others was available to us. Now you are surely askling for it. I wouldn't dare trust Virtual, Prism, Palace of Chance, and the rest in these group. If you are going to play. Quit trying to take up their bonus offers. You will more than likely lose in the end even if you manage to cashout a win! Infact deposit at Inetbet or Bodog they are RTG and they have shown to pay up without too much problems. If you are scared to risk your own money without big bonuses. Then gambling is not for you. I wouldnt give those rogue casinos one red cent of mines.

Trust me! I have only played at Inetbet, and Casinomeister accreditted casino's since!!~

 

[Robertsgirl]

????

They have no problem getting our deposits.. they just wont pay a big win! But my biggest peeve is they called my home and told me "I would be paid!" I followed "thier" rules... now I am being accused of "free chip abuse" and "bonus hunting".. The latest one... The casino manager is going to publish my account history right here !! (that would be his fudged version!) He just wiped out a pending wire transfer of $2500.00 and my balance of $4984.22! so where do I go now guys?? any and all help appreciated! I have screenshots of everything and copies of my "chat" with the "casino manager" of Palace of Chance! (or as I call them now,,"Palace of Fat chance your gonna get paid!"
thanks
mystic

He wants you to accept $1000.00? Bull Stuff!! He needs to PAY YOU the $4984.22, that they wiped out. Also--I have fallen in the same trap--played at Casino's that were Rogued. I didn't know until I searched online and found the CM. They are like preditors waiting to jump on their pray! Like you, I am a US player that does not live in a state where Online gambling is illegal. OOOHHH, they make me so mad. I am sure that Bryan can help, just try and be patient.

Trust me! I have only played at Inetbet, and Casinomeister accreditted casino's since!!~

 

[Pinababy69]

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But I would recomend browsing back and reviewing the chats before assuming I did not keep records, or that I did anything wrong.
It is not illegal to gamble on line in my state. The only thing I did wrong was Trust people I thought were legit.
Lastly: I dont know if it was you who mentioned it, about me "playing at a rougued casino" again... refer to the beginning posts. It states "boy I wish I found this site one day earlier!

No, it wasn't me who mentioned rogue casinos to you Mystic. And I wasn't assuming or implying that you did anything wrong at all. I was just wondering if you had records of your own re: bonuses/deposits...that's all.

As to the manager's "offer"....if it were me, I would take it. But that's just me, and I'm certainly not trying to tell you what to do, or give you advice. It really depends on your own personal situation. Do you feel like waiting for who knows how long to maybe get nothing in the end? Bryan may be able to do something...but even he can't "force" anyone to pay in the long run if they absolutely refuse. All I'm trying to say is that there are no guarantees. So, again..if it were me, I would take it, and count it all as a lesson learned.

Good move playing at Inetbet if you like RTG. They are the only RTG left that I would consider playing at anymore (besides Bodog, but I'm in Canada). They don't limit your cashouts on anything except totally non-deposit chips. I've learned the hard way also about the max cashout rule bull, and it's absolute BS.

Make sure you let us know what you plan to do, and what the final resolution is. I don't want to see him get your siggy on a piece of paper, and then delay even the $1000 payment to you either.

 

[mysticjoz]

Sorry, I was very sick for a couple of days and when I checked back here there were a ton of posts!
Giving him my signature was another concern of mine, signing the paper and then another delay or a bad check~ but I really do have Visa on stand by.. I have also contacted click2pay.. (I have had my account with them for many years! which is a plus!).
I only asked for the additional funds ($300) be included in the offer, the $300 is for the charges to POC through my bank (including the unauthorized $100). I only included this because after they called my house and said "Yes I would be paid.." I hung up the phone and told my boys "yes, that was them and they ARE going to pay!".. I then told my older son (15) "now I can get you the laptop you need for school!" (He wants to be a Mathmatician!)
Far cry from the amounts I won, which totalled over 6 grand in the beginning but I will settle for that...I still won't believe it until it is in my hand and cold hard cash (we all know the "bounced checks" and "checks drawn on closed accounts")...So I hope he follows through.

 

[mysticjoz]

He wants you to accept $1000.00? Bull Stuff!! He needs to PAY YOU the $4984.22, that they wiped out. Also--I have fallen in the same trap--played at Casino's that were Rogued. I didn't know until I searched online and found the CM. They are like preditors waiting to jump on their pray! Like you, I am a US player that does not live in a state where Online gambling is illegal. OOOHHH, they make me so mad. I am sure that Bryan can help, just try and be patient.

My counter offer was $1300, and I will consider myself lucky to get that.. thanks to US congress we can not even report these "crooks" to ANY agency out there! I have sent Bryan a copy of Andre Rossi's offer and my counter offer. But I have not heard from Bryan since before being locked out of POC. So.. I would love to wait for the $4984.22 BUT to be honest with you, "Why?" If I get back some of what I put into the place I will be happy... I have other issues to concentrate on besides POC and their lies and BSing.
How they can live with themselves telling thier winners day after day that thier "payment is being processed as we speak" is beyond me...
Like someone else on the forum said "I played with fire and I got burned"..
I learned the hard way... I will be happy if I get a payment that does not bounce! LOL

 

[mysticjoz]

Tried to scam me .. (again) check out this "agreement"

Hi All,
OK, first off, I tried to click the link in Andre Rossi's email to me to ask him to read my counter offer. NOTHING! I just called (3 times, hung up on twice ,, guess what today is his "day off")
Secondly, check this out.. first is the email I received from him with his ragreement attached to "resolve this dispute" ( I am so glad I was secretary to a president of a major company prior to being a veterinary technician or I may not have caught this!!)
Email from Andre Rossi manager of Palace of chance casino:

Dear Mysticjoz (i changed this as it read my first name)
I propose you to accept $1,000.00 to stop the disputing.

Please find attached to this email the document you need to sign in order to agree on the charges made on your credit card # ************ and to stop any chargeback action.

As soon we will receive it signed, we will transfer $1,000 via Western Union to you.

Let me know what do you think or if you have something different in mind.

Regards,

Andre Rossi
POC manger
Now Check out this "agreement" which he sent me... I am leaving out the columns showing the dates and charges..
I, Mysticjoz (again filled in with my name)
Palace of Chance member, ID mysticjoz, agree on the charges made on my Credit Card, MasterCard # ************* from Palace of Chance Casino
The it shows the charges
Signing this document I assure to Palace of Chance On Line Casino to avoid any chargeback action and let them be able to recover my processed purchases.


Date


Signature
****************************************************
Do you all see what I see!!! It does not mention any "agreement or payment TO ME!"
I consider this in itself an admission of guilt... I will settle for the amount I offered, but this is just out right blatently LOW!

 

[vinylweatherman]

History

Given the history, it looks very much like he is trying to scam his way out of a hole. Don't forget, he originally phoned you to say you would be paid, and they went back on this. No doubt this is the same scam dressed up differently, you sign the form, and this stops the chargebacks, but then you still wont get the money; you will either find all communication cut off, or will be sent excuse after excuse, accused of this and that, or end up with rubber checks.
If he can delay it till June, he can also claim the US banks have implemented the full UIGEA, and payment to you is now impossible, even through Western Union. If WU know it might be casino money, they won't handle it anyway.
If you have lost more than you have received, a chargeback may even recover more. Whatever a chargeback recovers, you will at least get it, although you may find yourself blacklisted with some online casinos for having charged back a deposit.

 

[mysticjoz]

I caught the scam. I have countered his offer. I spoke with him via chat (which I copied). He tried to get me to sign A release prior to recieving funds.
I have told him the only form I will sign is one stating I will stop all charge backs once funds are received.

 

[lojo]

You know, this situation is one of those that it is just too damn bad a casino manager can't come onto this forum and state his case without risking even worse reputation.

I get it, I get it, I get. The Virtual Group has not lived up to the standards here and they will not enjoy the good graces of the CasinoMeister nor his members until they've demonstrated a long term record of nothing but clarity, transparency and most of all fairness. I get it.

There is just something, I can't put my finger on it, that doesn't seem right to me with this issue.

I would think a FORUM would be a place where people can exchange views and opinions - this should include both sides of the equation. I know that many operators are treated well by we denizens and they deserve to be: They are transparent, attentive, and above all fair beyond reproach in most cases.

I'm assuming that Bryan has pretty much washed his hands as far as mitigating between players and this group. And I understand it is a Group, not just individual managers. But when I searched the PAB that are listed here I see three for POC (the last one might be a coding error)

• 2/12 Palace of Chance RTG Bad business practice - inserting unwanted bonus - and negating $4,738 in winnings Complaint is nearly four years old.
  
  
• 10/4 Palace of Chance RTG Delayed payment - rude customer service Forwarded to General Manager/Rogue Pit
  
• 19/12 Palace of Chance RTG No pay - $6884 Rogued (actually crystal palace?)

I also see that the mgr so heavily referred to in this thread has not logged in here since March 23rd. What the hell? That was weeks before Mysticjoz posted.

If the Meister isn't working on it because they are pariah, and the manager in question hasn't even bothered to sign in here, there is something broken.

I'm not currently playing anywhere in the Virtual group, for three reasons.

1. They are not recommended
   
2. I received bonuses that make future play ridiculous (I'm would hope that could be remedied)
   
3. My casinos of choice belongs to a group that may not treat players fairly

We trust, we play. We don't trust, we don't play.

I could be all wet, but I think that in time, I will play.

 

[lojo]

I caught the scam. I have countered his offer. I spoke with him via chat (which I copied). He tried to get me to sign A release prior to recieving funds.
I have told him the only form I will sign is one stating I will stop all charge backs once funds are received.

Hi mysticjoz, I hope it all works out for you. Was this form their regular faxback form? I haven't played at Palace of chance so i don't recognize it, and this thread is so long I don't recall if you have cashed out there before.

Good luck

 

[sweetdenny]

Hi Mystic

I have just read this thread thankfully i have never played at this group and never will.
As soon as i read the part about him requesting the form being signed by u admiting u authorised the payments alarm bells rang i belive if u sign this you will never see a penny from them.
I think your only option is to go ahead and make the chargebacks that way you get something back you have given them many option to make some payment and none has happened.
Just go ahead make the chargebacks and move on with your life this company dosent deserve any more of your time or stress.

 

[mysticjoz]

Hi All,
Sweet denny > no it was not the regular fax back form, it had one month of charges (february) to my CC and made no mention of payment TO me!.
lojo> TY , now if he could live up to his end. This is a copy of our chat last night... I have yet to recieve his 'new form' so maybe tonight I will hear back. If I do not hear from him tonight I start charge backs in the morining!!

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Andre: same to you
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[oldtrvlagt]

As I've been reading through all of this over days...I had to add my 2 cents. Why in the world, after all that has been going on, would these casinos bite the hand that feeds them? Have they just given up and decided to stall until June? Do they want to alienate the U.S. players that much? The more I have tried different "groups" the more frustrating it has become in the last few months. If you play too much with bonuses (that the casino offers, you are a bonus abuser), if you play and actually win big (trying to cashout and receive your winnings) it is a nightmare. We play, we lose...we play, we win.....it just shouldn't be that difficult!!

 

[mysticjoz]

I absolutely agree. I have learned that thier "free chip" is not a "free chip" the playthrough amounts are ridiculous. But, we all learn that the hard way. If I recieve a "coupon" in the mail for use at "Foxwoods resort and casino" It is just that. If I hit a jackpot at thier slot machine... I get paid!" right then, right there cash".
If I were not 3 hours away and I permanently disabled I would still play there. It is much harder to get around now adays.
In the case of "Mr. Andre Rossi" and the "Palace of Chance Casino" from day one he made promises to pay, the biggest mistake he made was lie number 1 .. having his "employee" call my home and tell me I would be paid. I have not mentioned his name (the employee) because he did everything to try to get me paid and he also informed me that Andre is doing this to ALOT of his players who win. I felt bad because I know he almost lost his job over this (he might have already lost his job over this) I don't know. I am locked out of the "casino" and any call or chat is "terminated" unless it is directly with Mr. Andre Rossi.
I do wish the employee would step up to the plate and tell the world exactly what Andre is doing. But.. maybe he has a family to feed.
I think Andre is used to dealing with players that he can get away with this scam. Especially the "form" ... I added up my totals and I know how much I paid INTO his casino it was alot. I also know I have a screen shot of all requested "coupons" which had more "denied" than "accepted"
So lets not forget.. He does NOT have until June. He has until tonight. He already bit the hand that fed him twice. That was enough for me.

I will LMAO if this whole US congress deal turns in favor of the players!!
As it is I live in a state where on line gambling IS LEGAL!
We are supposed to be "the land of the free"! So, If congress decides it is none of their business how we spend our own money.. Then these guys who are not honest casino managers are done.!! Claim numbers will be staggering! The Statue of limitations for filing fraud, theft and the list goes on I am sure is more that a year!

 

[phynqster]

In reading this thread I find it funny how a number of posters have said they will never play at these casinos again, but they all think the manager should come in and defend himself. What does he have to gain? No matter what he says or claims he is fighting a losing battle. There are a number of posters who would derail anything he said in defending his position. This is still mainly a players against the "Big Bad Casinos" forum. I do think Bryan does a good job trying to keep it fair, but when it is close to 1000 to 1 players against casino it is hard to get your argument heard.
I am not saying the casino is right in any way, I am only stating why there are reasons why casinos do not always reply. When I would reply to things in the past, people would chime in that I was "advertising" my casino, and I had no links or names on my posts.

 

[mysticjoz]

In reading this thread I find it funny how a number of posters have said they will never play at these casinos again, but they all think the manager should come in and defend himself. What does he have to gain? No matter what he says or claims he is fighting a losing battle. There are a number of posters who would derail anything he said in defending his position. This is still mainly a players against the "Big Bad Casinos" forum. I do think Bryan does a good job trying to keep it fair, but when it is close to 1000 to 1 players against casino it is hard to get your argument heard.
I am not saying the casino is right in any way, I am only stating why there are reasons why casinos do not always reply. When I would reply to things in the past, people would chime in that I was "advertising" my casino, and I had no links or names on my posts.

I am sorry phynqster but I don't know how your post has to do with this. I appreciate everyones input. I know if the "casino manager" we are referring came in here it would be nothing but lies. If you read back and read his "chats with me" you can read for yourself how my "bonus chips" changed 3 times, each time his total went up! I had made a cash deposit and hit on that. I don't think he has anything to defend. My request to "settle this dispute" is much less than my "lifetime deposits". I just want to cut my losses and write it off as lesson learned".
But, it may end up being a charge back, the clock is ticking.

 

[mysticjoz]

Hi mysticjoz, I hope it all works out for you. Was this form their regular faxback form? I haven't played at Palace of chance so i don't recognize it, and this thread is so long I don't recall if you have cashed out there before.

Good luck

no, not the regular faxback, a form with febuary deposits stating i agreed to the charges. nothing about getting paid.
No I had not cashed out there before, as a matter of fact I reversed cashouts and played. (I was playing with reversed cash outs when they hit my bank for the five (5) $20 deposits in a row! I had to inform my bank back then not to release any funds to them anymore. Thier idea of reimbursement was "free chips"!!!
go to cash out and they add in those!?

 

[phynqster]

mysticjoz,
Again you mention charge back! So why is there any reason in the world for the casino to pay you? You have all ready smeared their name, their reputation sucks all ready, if they pay you and you still charge back, than they have a double hit, you will never play there again, so they are never going to get anything more from you, what ever they do you will never be satisfied, so WHY, Why would the casino ever need to pay you? It is a no win situation for the casino, and you have backed yourself into the corner.

And what my post is about is what you are upset about, you only want people's input that agrees with you. This is a forum that the more intelligent readers want to hear all sides and facts. Thngs such as what your job is or was, how many children you have, what promises you made to a third party, what your physical ailment is, SHOULD NOT be brought up where you are explaining the facts. If you are looking to have friendly chats with other forum members that is great and there are open areas on here to do that, but when you are making a complaint, make it and move on.
Please do not look at this as being cold to your plight, I do understand, but there are other places to describe those things.

 

[mysticjoz]

mysticjoz,
Again you mention charge back! So why is there any reason in the world for the casino to pay you? You have all ready smeared their name, their reputation sucks all ready, if they pay you and you still charge back, than they have a double hit, you will never play there again, so they are never going to get anything more from you, what ever they do you will never be satisfied, so WHY, Why would the casino ever need to pay you? It is a no win situation for the casino, and you have backed yourself into the corner.

And what my post is about is what you are upset about, you only want people's input that agrees with you. This is a forum that the more intelligent readers want to hear all sides and facts. Thngs such as what your job is or was, how many children you have, what promises you made to a third party, what your physical ailment is, SHOULD NOT be brought up where you are explaining the facts. If you are looking to have friendly chats with other forum members that is great and there are open areas on here to do that, but when you are making a complaint, make it and move on.
Please do not look at this as being cold to your plight, I do understand, but there are other places to describe those things.

Whoa! Back off... #1)No I am not "looking for a double hit".
#2)I did not "smear thier name" they did a good enough job of that on thier own!
:notworthy #3)So sorry I mentioned my "physical ailments" or how many kids I have.
I will think twice before ever taking what you say into consideration ... as I do not consider your stating " this is a forum that the more intelligent readers want to hear all sides and facts" that statement is totally uncalled for. what makes you think you are more intelligent than the next person or myself for that matter? Just curious, what did I ever do to you?

 

[mysticjoz]

Again... played with my head

Sorry all,
Mr Andre Rossi tried this one... So I know some of you "hate" the term "charge back"... I have no choice....


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mysticjoz: and ?
Andre: and we will do it in the following way
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Andre: we will request it as a cash out
Andre: and as soon we will receive the signed doc, we will approve the cash out and send your cash out
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mysticjoz: you can put it in my account,,, i will fax the form stating the signed form will be faxed when the money is in my account.
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Andre: no docs no money
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Andre: at least we keep the click2pay account
mysticjoz: wrong,,, i can get it all now
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[lnspin]

Mystic , Fuck him and his rouge casino - make a chargeback for anything you have ever deposited into there casino and also notify your bank that the 5 withdrawls were taken out illegally that you never authorized them .

You gave him enough time to pay you your winnings , and he will not pay , and this is most likely due to there casino not having any money .

And whats even worse is that the random jackpot is really not even there money it is a small % taken out ove every spin on the slot so it is saved up cash .