I won the random jackpot! Palace of chance,,(or did I)

[LaurieJim]

i do hope you get your money mystic

but i wanted you to know some facts; andre former mgr of poc and victoria former mgr of cool cat ran off together and are now in europe. chris was given cool cat and dean was given poc. as you know i think alot of dean and cindy at club player i know boo boo boo. i will not take sides in this as i can see both and do not want hard feelings with anyone. you have proved your point very well like you said you would. but i do know the facts on 3 of the casinos at virtual and again chris is mgr at cool cat and prism and dean has poc. allison is the mgr at cirrus because they tried to get me to come back after christine left who by the way is victoria yes the former mgr at coolcat. so i think the root of alot of probs at virtual lie with andre and christine/ victoria. andre made alot of deals i think on the side and lied to alot of people including me. i could not stand christine and he said she was no longer there at cirrus. he didnt tell me that she changed her name to victoria and was at cool cat as mgr. imagine how foolish i felt when a former employee there emailed me with the newes. so yes mystic there are several at virtual i dont like but there are some good people there i do care alot for. i really do hope you get what ever your entitled to

 

[lojo]

Mystic,

I only know what I read on this forum about your issue. When I spoke to Chris I didn't ask for any details about your issue. I'm not 'taking the side' of the casino, nor am I championing your cause (yet).

Firstly, I have never accused you of abusing bonuses or anything else.
If you claim that your deposits outweighed your 'comps', it is incumbant upon you to show that, so I have asked for your numbers.
I have stated that you have highjacked threads because you've inserted your issue in several unrelated threads that mutated from the subject line into your issue.

I don't enjoy 'defending' a not recommended casino, but if no one else will add balance, ask questions, and state facts, I choose to. I'm sorry if you take it personally.

And now on to 'devil's advocate' in no particular order in response to specific items in your last post here:

I have no idea what numbers Andre had in front of him at any given time in your chats nor why he changed the numbers (how many 'free chips', what your deposits were, etc.) The bottom lineis you did or did not fall into the lifetime deposit/chip ratio caveat.
The rule sucks and should only ever be invoked in extreme situations IMO. It's unfortunate it was used on you. All I have ever really asked of you in this regard is to show me that it was used unfairly (fair meaning according to their terms). I have repeatedly stated that if you did not fall foul of the T&C I would stand by you, for whatever that is worth.

Erased account: I seriously doubt that they have 'wiped' your numbers. You may not have access to them, but they certainly do. If they do not, then your records should be the only 'evidence' needed to back up your claim. We still don't know if you are claiming that your deposits exceeded your bonuses.

Playthrough amounts or bonuses that occured after the random jackpot certainly have no bearing on the conditions at the time the jackpot was hit.

Your quote of casinos assumedly 'managed' by Chris is not correct. In my recollection he was listing the casinos within the Virtual Group, not the casinos he manages. As well, other posters' references to him as manager of PoC are probably misunderstandings.

As I mentioned in another post, Chris has taken the advice of his GM and is not participating. If you look at the three or four threads objectively, you can see why. He came onto this board because I invited him to try to balance some of the obviously inflated vitriol that was being spewed at his casino. This is the last post where I will try to answer for him, because one- nobody's paying me to, and two- I have better things to do. I'm just trying to answer what I can of what you asked me here.

The numbers you posted HERE are your c2p deposits? They don't help much out of context.

Remember I told you in a PM that I didn't need any proof, but if you wanted help sorting or indexing the numbers I would help you? Why? So you could make your claim, backed up by facts, or drop the subject.

I did not "ask or requet that Chrris reimburse any funds until I tried to play at one of HIS casino's and was treated terribly! see...https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/17945/

This is where I started 'defending' Chris, I think. You had found a printed coupon in one of his posts, the coupon clearly showed the expiration date as almost a month past.

In no way, shape, or form did he need to honor that coupon for you, but he did. It was a no-win situation for him.


Mystic, if your deposit/bonus ratio as of the moment you hit the random jackpot precluded you from getting your winnings, it is just another unfortunate instance of a player being in the wrong casino at the right time. It happens all the time and it sucks. That term should be on every coupon and every page of their casino and website, but that ain't gonna happen.

I assume that the C2P deposits are not 'chargeback-able' or you would have done that when you threatened to chargeback your other deposits. And that is why andre said, 'at least we get the click to pay...deposits'.

Honestly, you can't expect a casino to refund your deposits just because they are refunding a 'group' of players from a certain region and timeframe and bonus strategies, it just doesn't make sense.

As well, and this may sound harsh. IF they don't owe you the Random Jackpot hit because of a written term, and you threatened chargebacks to be paid, I would call that less than fair.

Conversely, if your deposits outstripped you bonuses as of the moment you hit, and there is no other valid reason within their terms and conditions not to pay you, they should be held accountable, period.

Unless you dispute something I've stated here as a fact, I'm mum on this issue until and unless the numbers are published. If they are in your favor I will support you in any way I can. If they are in PoC's favor or never published, I probably won't bring it up again if you don't.

 

[mysticjoz]

I Appologize to EVERYONE for the length of this... and repetition every week!

Mystic,
Firstly, I have never accused you of abusing bonuses or anything else.
If you claim that your deposits outweighed your 'comps', it is incumbant upon you to show that, so I have asked for your numbers. And They will come. I am not the one working on them anymoreI have stated that you have highjacked threads because you've inserted your issue in several unrelated threads that mutated from the subject line into your issue. firstly I responded to anyone posting a complaint regarding thier issue. IF it related to mine oh well.
I don't enjoy 'defending' a not recommended casino, but if no one else will add balance, ask questions, and state facts, I choose to. I'm sorry if you take it personally. how can I not.. it's just another friday night right lojo?And now on to 'devil's advocate' in no particular order in response to specific items in your last post here:

I have no idea what numbers Andre had in front of him at any given time in your chats nor why he changed the numbers (how many 'free chips', what your deposits were, etc.) The bottom lineis you did or did not fall into the lifetime deposit/chip ratio caveat.
The rule sucks and should only ever be invoked in extreme situations IMO.
Personally the ONLY reason I have pursued this is the promises made to me, The facts stated in chats, and the lies and discreptancies stated in chats. PERIOD Regardless of bonuses or free chips I was told how to cash out to get paid.. I followed those rules to a T, there was no reason to lead me on to believe the money was on it's way and then change his mind in the end. The manager set up the T&c's at the cashout.. I followed all the rules and should have been paid IMO
It's unfortunate it was used on you. All I have ever really asked of you in this regard is to show me that it was used unfairly (fair meaning according to their terms). I have repeatedly stated that if you did not fall foul of the T&C I would stand by you, for whatever that is worth. and I have repeatedly stated that terms and conditions were given to me by Dean who had spoken to Andre, OBVIOUSLY I would not reverse a $4000.00 withdrawal to $2500.00 had I not been "following thier rules"
Erased account: I seriously doubt that they have 'wiped' your numbers. You may not have access to them, but they certainly do. If they do not, then your records should be the only 'evidence' needed to back up your claim. We still don't know if you are claiming that your deposits exceeded your bonuses.
Do you seriously doubt that lojo? I have never once lied to you or anyone else on this forum. When I went back to POC when I was invited AFTER Andre left my account pages were gone. just like flappie666

4.Asked for a cash in..... 5. Account has been wiped out now

br600

i was wondering why my winnings are voided

and there are alot more... personally I don't care what country people are from.. It seems to be the norm for POC and COOLCAt to wipe out accounts after big wins IMO
Playthrough amounts or bonuses that occured after the random jackpot certainly have no bearing on the conditions at the time the jackpot was hit.
They do if they told me this was a TERM and a CONDITION in order to get paid my winnings! Honestly I was given a playthrough amount on a cash deposit win.... but I did it anyway!
Your quote of casinos assumedly 'managed' by Chris is not correct. In my recollection he was listing the casinos within the Virtual Group, not the casinos he manages. As well, other posters' references to him as manager of PoC are probably misunderstandings. misunderstandings, fine .. where's Dean been all these months?and Chris himself stated this

2. If there are any issues that I can resolve for players not from the Netherlands, please let me hear them. Apparently not, because I have wasted hours of my time, months of reading this board, and it is all for the same players from the same place... just different casinos. Am I really the only one who notices that?

The numbers you posted HERE are your c2p deposits? They don't help much out of context.
Not really take that amount add in the bank at $1300.00 and his first reply for 2000.00 in bonuses is still too high but deposits will outweigh bonuses.
Remember I told you in a PM that I didn't need any proof, but if you wanted help sorting or indexing the numbers I would help you? Why? So you could make your claim, backed up by facts, or drop the subject. I have help and I will not drop the subject. If the manager is allowed to "change the rules at his own discrection" I posted his statements proving that he promised me payment and proving that he changed the bonus amount repeatedly . PERIOD

This is where I started 'defending' Chris, I think. You had found a printed coupon in one of his posts, the coupon clearly showed the expiration date as almost a month past.
and chris told YOU flat out..Lojo,
Thanks for the help. Even though you won't play with us, it's nice to hear a voice of reason every once in awhile. In regards to the post of that free chip, mystic's right, I should have left it open. I can't leave it open forever, but as long as the post is near the front of this forum's hottest threads (even though that coupon should have never been placed there at all if I had known the rules), I should honor it. She is right about that. So, I have made that coupon accessible to everyone to try out the VIP Lounge until the 31st of June. Only fair I think.

In no way, shape, or form did he need to honor that coupon for you, but he did. It was a no-win situation for him. He should not have posted it if he did NOT want anyone to use it

Mystic, if your deposit/bonus ratio as of the moment you hit the random jackpot precluded you from getting your winnings, it is just another unfortunate instance of a player being in the wrong casino at the right time. It happens all the time and it sucks. That term should be on every coupon and every page of their casino and website, but that ain't gonna happen.

I assume that the C2P deposits are not 'chargeback-able' or you would have done that when you threatened to chargeback your other deposits. And that is why andre said, 'at least we get the click to pay...deposits'. Come on lojo that in itself states he is aware that he did not include those amounts! It's all BS if they gave me new T&C's when I went to cash out why change after that and why lead me on.
Honestly, you can't expect a casino to refund your deposits just because they are refunding a 'group' of players from a certain region and timeframe and bonus strategies, it just doesn't make sense. nor does picking a couple of countries and deciding they are a "group" all mute points.
As well, and this may sound harsh. IF they don't owe you the Random Jackpot hit because of a written term, and you threatened chargebacks to be paid, I would call that less than fair. You know that is NOT true lojo.

Conversely, if your deposits outstripped you bonuses as of the moment you hit, and there is no other valid reason within their terms and conditions not to pay you, they should be held accountable, period.

Unless you dispute something I've stated here as a fact, I'm mum on this issue until and unless the numbers are published. If they are in your favor I will support you in any way I can. If they are in PoC's favor or never published, I probably won't bring it up again if you don't.

In favor or not they will be published. as I have said before I have never lied to anyone here, nor do I ever intend to.... Is it next Friday yet?

 

[Random#rs]

Quoting lojo/Mysticjoz:
Playthrough amounts or bonuses that occured after the random jackpot certainly have no bearing on the conditions at the time the jackpot was hit.
They do if they told me this was a TERM and a CONDITION in order to get paid my winnings! Honestly I was given a playthrough amount on a cash deposit win.... but I did it anyway!

lojo, something is wrong here. This doesn't look right at all. Why!? For what reason!!, does a Casino put a WR on you, on a cash no bonus deposit win!? What kind of stupid trick is that!? What's he trying to accomplish!? What kind of T&C, that anyone in this world, has ever heard of, would he be trying to satisfy??

Maybe I'm missing something but this is the strangest T&c I've ever heard of.

 

[lojo]

lojo, something is wrong here. This doesn't look right at all. Why!? For what reason!!, does a Casino put a WR on you, on a cash no bonus deposit win!? What kind of stupid trick is that!? What's he trying to accomplish!? What kind of T&C, that anyone in this world, has ever heard of, would he be trying to satisfy??

Maybe I'm missing something but this is the strangest T&c I've ever heard of.

It is a lame ass term it goes like this in some incarnations:

Lifetime Max Cashout Rule: When a player's total amount of bonuses received over the lifetime of their account is greater than or equal to the total amount of deposits made, the maximum cashout will be ten times the deposit from which the player hit their win..

From what I understand it was only meant to apply to two specific situations:
The personal jackpot thingy (not real series slots), and people who, as demonstrated by their deposit and bonus history, have not given the casino a 'fair shot' via house edge [I could have that wrong, Chris was more specific but I was inebriated (go figger)]

I'm not defending it, I'm just saying.

Look at the outrageous bonuses they offer! They have to have a caveat to cover them. A child could go to aka23 or any other EV/beat bonus site out there and do the math.

As others have said, (we're talking about virtual's bonus system not you Mystic) the bonuses invite 'abuse', they're too easy to beat. It is a business model based on a marketing concept that just isn't working for them. Pity the poor uninformed player who doesn't read the terms, or reads them with hope clouding their eyes. It's crap, but it's real. Many people on here have had the 10x experience.
I feel shitty when I'm doing 'research' in play mode and bring down a RJ, where's that money go? Who knows? Do rogue RTG's have troll/clones out there spinning in free mode to bring the jackpots down? Who knows? I doubt it though.

If a bonus sounds too good to be true, it might be. Why not ask up front? Why not communicate before applying wagers? (again, Mystic, this is not about you I'm trying to answer Random#s ?) It is a lot of work and it takes a level of trust. But an informed player may well do okay.

 

[happygobrokey]

Many people on here have had the 10x experience.

considerably fewer get to enjoy a 10" experience. much more common is 5" twice. am i right, ladies?

 

[mysticjoz]

considerably fewer get to enjoy a 10" experience. much more common is 5" twice. am i right, ladies?

happy...You just made my night !

 

[mysticjoz]

Well lojo, I needed to let you see this one... this was posted by lanidar in the other thread regarding cool cat (virtual is vitual and this tells the truth by a Former Employee!) funny.. in one chat to Andre I asked him how he slept at night... this former emplyee actually had a conscience.

Also Thank Lanidar for this valuable info!

And well , about the Virtual Group ... I wish I could say more things , but I gotta watch my back and be very careful with this "freaks" , the only reason why I stayed there was only because I needed that money and it was a nice salary, when I started working there I ignore a lot of things, then I start finding out little by little about all the dirty things they do to the players, and most of the times I used to come back home feeling so bad for the players, I used to ( believe it or not) take care of them, and always try to keep them happy, but it really dissapointed me when they didn't pay on time, they "run" credits cards without the customer's autorization, they promisse big bonuses that at the end you can never cash out....and a lot of more things together , I got sick of that!!!! and I felt so bad because the customers called and yelled at me, obviously when they call in to ask about "not autorized charges" the manager are never there! how strange huh ? Sometimes I was on the customer's side, but of course I was not suposse to say anything...so I decided to quit and get rid of them and all those lies that really got me sick ... when I quited Grafix they didn't want me too and they offered me so many things just to convince me , but I knew they were not going to change. This is muy true story ... but after I stop working there I felt soooo free! But I hate all those thieves ... I know someday they will have to pay for all of this ... the story is much longer...there are a lot of things that you ignore , but I preffer not to mention.

I hope we could have a great relationship!

heather

Lanidar thanks again this was huge as was your sharing it! :notworthy

 

[mysticjoz]

Well Well Well, and.. although Palace of Chance is not mentioned it's the same old same old... like I said for the longest time lojo, my story never changed. It was always the same. This tell's the nightmare story sooo many forum members have been saying.
And I just love the part about the credit cards!
Again thanks Lanidar! :notworthy

I've just been working with a friend of mine and came up with this very interesting reading......


Quote:
Do not play at Virtual Casino, Prism Casino, Cirrus Casino or Cool Cat Casino-

- They are all the SAME!!!!!! Yup! they are all the same. I'm an ex-employee of this company I worked there for many years, and I can prove you guys that they are all the same , the all share the same office, and they make their customers think that they're separate, so BE CAREFUL!!! All they do is to steal money from you guys! They have the same customers for all 4 of them. They offer you the moon and sky to get you to deposit, and they GUESS WHAT? they will NEVER pay you, or they will try to make you reverse the money you have on pending ! Just because they don't want to pay you ! Remember...if you are a customer of them , and have played there for a while, you must know what I'm talking about! They keep track of all your credit cards and security codes when you try to deposit so that when your deposits get declined , they use another credit card processor and they get the money out of your account, without asking you for permission. Did you know about this? This people gets thousands of chargebacks every month, one time I saw one of the managers running a credit card without asking the client for permission , and she took $10,000 out of his account! - If you want to know more about them, please write me and I'll be more then happy to reply - They are located in San Jose, Costa Rica. The address is : Sabana Sur, Oficentro Ejecutivo La Sabana, Building 7 , 7 Floor. International phone number: 00506-296-4336 ---> just do a test and you will see that I'm not lying. Call this international number, ask for Virtual Casino, they will transfer you to the support center. And then do the same thing, call this international number and ask for Prism, Cirrus or Cool Cat casino, and it will be the same . They will probably tell you that those casinos are in the same building , but it's a whole lie! They are all the same!!!! For more details, contact me Heather

Quote:
- HELLO! I would like to thank all the people that has been mailing me, obviously because I'm not saying a single lie here! Once again my idea is to warm all the people that continue playing at VIRTUAL, PRISM, CIRRUS, COOL CAT!!!! WATCH OUT!!! All they want to this is steal your money some how! Why do you guys think that "virtualted" doesn't say a word ??? ( Steve Fink is his real name) he is the manager for Prism ( Paul ) and he's also Ted or Teddy on Virtual. Now guys, here's some more stuff you might like to read! If you have played with them for a while, and you read this, you must know what I'm talking about!!!! Here I'm going to give you my personal experience, they are not a BIG but a HUGE SCAM!!!!! 1. Have you ever try to make a deposit using your credit card, on the system tells you "declined" and when you get your bank statment you find out that those transactions "somehow" where successful and actually for double the amount that you attempted to ???? 2. When you try to use a bonus, they make you play deposit+bonus 30,000 X - Actually there's no way on the system for you to determinate how many times you have played the money, which is obviously good for them, they will always ask you to continue playing....why ? Well, the more you play , the highest is the possibility for you to lose all your money so they will avoid your payout. 3. In how many days...weeks...months...did you get your payout ? If they actually pay you. Aren't you tyred of being calling them and have ALWAYS to hear the same STUPID story ???? - Come on ! this guys don't pay you. 4. USE THIS TRICK! If you have money pending, call them out , tell them that you wish to deposit $1,000 or more and everybody will love to talk to you! Actually they will lie to you , telling you that you will receive your payout very soon! This way, you will probably believe this whole CRAP and deposit again! BADDDD THING! 5. When you have a big amount of money on pending, have you receive a call from Christine ( the bitch of CIRRUS), Tanya ( fat ASS OLD WOMAN faking a nice and sexy voice from Prism) , Roger ( the gay of Virtual )....This is very typical, once you have more than $2,000 on pending, they will call you trying to convince you to reverse that money , get a bonus on top of that and play it 500 times!!!!! NOOOOO WAYYYYYYYYYYYY! please never accept a deal like this!!!! 6. Once again, very important, do not give your credit card number!!!!! do not try to it through the system, they keep track of all your credit cards, so that way they can take money out of your account whenver they want!!!! I still have more and more details ! Believe me ! I was there for quite a long time! BE CAREFUL!!!!

Quote:
I don't have the email or post, but remember Heather saying her friend was jumped in a shopping center parking lot, but some guy saw the 3 men, yelled at them, they ran off...... shortly after is when Heather went MIA ....

I asked my friend a question and made this reply....

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Yes, and at the same time she told me that...dang it....some girl quit (was it Christine..??) Virtual, then went back and they made her take a polygraph test???

I truly doubt I'll be able to find those emails, two hard drive crashes since talking with her....but will try and see.....

She told me that Pauls real name Steve Fink, who is also Virtual Ted.....

As you can see, The Virtual Group is one God damn lying mess!!!


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[lojo]

Diversion - Hyperbole - smoke - mirrors and absolutely irrelevent to this particular issue.

 

[lanidar]

Diversion - Hyperbole - smoke - mirrors and absolutely irrelevent to this particular issue.

Main Entry: hyperbole
Function: noun
Pronunciation: hī-'p&r-b&-(")le
Etymology: Latin, from Greek hyperbole excess, hyperbole, hyperbola, from hyperballein to exceed, from hyper- + ballein to throw -- more at DEVIL
: extravagant exaggeration (as "mile-high ice-cream cones")
- hyperbolist/-list/ noun

Irrelevent? Gimme a break!
Lojo...go away and come back when you understand what you read.

 

[lojo]

'Hyperbole' may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression


Virtual is Virtual.

Mystic's issue of lifetime deposit/bonus ratio is the issue of this thread. That's all I'm saying.

Anything thrown out, of whatever merit, not related to why she did not recieve a RJ payout = hyperbole, conjecture, propoganda. (propoganda can be true).

 

[lanidar]

Virtual is Virtual.

A rose is a rose is a rose....and a scumbag casino is a scumbag casino is a scumbag casino.
So, we agree on that.

Mystic's issue of lifetime deposit/bonus ratio is the issue of this thread. That's all I'm saying.

And we agree on that too.

Anything thrown out, of whatever merit, not related to why she did not recieve a RJ payout = hyperbole, conjecture, propoganda. (propoganda can be true).

This is all related to Mystics problem. You see, if she were dealing with a reputable casino...she wouldn't be going through this.

Main Entry: reputable
Function: adjective
Pronunciation: 're-py&-t&-b&l
1 : enjoying good repute : held in esteem
2 : employed widely or sanctioned by good writers
- reputability/"re-py&-t&-'bi-l&-te/ noun
- reputably/'re-py&-t&-ble/ adverb[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

 

[Pinababy69]

I agree with both you guys. Virtual is Virtual, and scum is scum....no argument here at all. But I agree with Lojo as well, the ONLY issue here that is relevant is the lifetime deposit/bonus ratio one. Nothing else matters, period.

I think I get your point Lanidar though..if it were a reputable casino that she were dealing with, THEY would have provided the numbers we've all been looking for a month ago, at least as far as to match up with the numbers that Mystic has given to VWM. So far, all they've said is that this is the rule she broke, or fell foul of, or whatever......

But Mystic, I do gotta say...I don't care what Dean or Andre or anyone told you on the phone. I don't care that they said you would be paid. I don't care that they told you to playthrough another $1,000...none of those things matter. It only proves that they are the scum we all know they are, nothing more. ALL I CARE ABOUT IS HOW MUCH YOU DEPOSITED AND HOW MUCH MONEY IN TOTAL BONUSES YOU RECEIVED. Even then, I think you've probably accepted that even if it turns out in your favour, you will never see that money. If you haven't accepted it, you should. What it will do is give you (and everyone else) some sense of knowing you were right, that's about it.

As to the other stuff that's been posted about Virtual, just like Phynqster said, nothing new there. If you want to repost it for any newbies that may not have seen it already, nothing wrong with that. But there's nothing earth shattering there that most of us don't already know.

 

[patrina]

[""Again thanks Lanidar! :notworthy

I've just been working with a friend of mine and came up with this very interesting reading......""

Wow
Mystic, unflippin believable!! This freaked me right out. Is this one from lanidar? Keep it personal, if you dont want to say. But this totally blew my mind. The only thing that kinda confused me was the part where the girl got attacked in the shopping centre? And a polygraph? Tell me more about this if you can. Enquiring minds want to know.
Patrina

 

[patrina]

'Hyperbole' may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression


Virtual is Virtual.

Mystic's issue of lifetime deposit/bonus ratio is the issue of this thread. That's all I'm saying.

Anything thrown out, of whatever merit, not related to why she did not recieve a RJ payout = hyperbole, conjecture, propoganda. (propoganda can be true).

lojo, do you really think this is irrelevant? I think (whether it's fact or fiction) this is VERY important info for players to see. I certainly would like to hear more from (Heather I think the accuser was) this is some serious stuff. And to me, very relevant to the casinos in question. lojo you seem to kinda side with them, just wondering why? I know you said your biased but to me it seems you dont believe the accusations. Have you had good experiences with them. I just would like to hear something that may be positive, if that's the case. You dont have to reply, I'm just curious. Thanks

 

[mysticjoz]

[""Again thanks Lanidar! :notworthy

I've just been working with a friend of mine and came up with this very interesting reading......""

Wow
Mystic, unflippin believable!! This freaked me right out. Is this one from lanidar? Keep it personal, if you dont want to say. But this totally blew my mind. The only thing that kinda confused me was the part where the girl got attacked in the shopping centre? And a polygraph? Tell me more about this if you can. Enquiring minds want to know.
Patrina

I know Patrina, it is "unflippin believable!! As far as this employee letting the"cat out of the bag" goes .. Lanidar has all the facts and details. I am sure if you PM him he will provide them again. or a link to the other thread.

Pinbaby when VM has the numbers they will be in. I myself have more on my plate than I can handle and plan on keeping private things private if you need to know them PM me (about the private)
IN CASE most of you have NOT noticed.. I only pop in here and there now. I don't need to be second guessed or repeatedly "pushed" around. Especially when from day one I have never, ever waivered on "my story" And as far as YOU NOT caring what they said,, to me a person's "word" is their reputation and if you can not keep your word you are nothing more than... (I think I will end that one there .. fill in the blanks however you want).. my own issue is way bigger than this..
If anyone from Palace of Chance had come in here to defend thier "reasons" then Maybe just Maybe I could see someone defending them. No one has been here ... that speaks MOUNDS more than "prove your point mystic".. what is there to prove? .. they are nothing but crooks.

 

[Pinababy69]

they are nothing but crooks.

We absolutely agree on that, they are crooks. But nothing is going to change that, and it's not anything that alot of people don't already know. It's not news. And neither is the stuff that Lanidar posted. Like I said, if you guys wanna post it again for any newbies, then have at it. But there is nothing anyone can say or post, that's going to get you your money. The reason I said the numbers are relevant is strictly so that you will then be able to say..."okay, there's the numbers, they don't lie. I was right". And then you're gonna have to let it go.

Or you guys can all go on posting for another 20 pages, whatever tickles your fancy. But you will never see another penny from them. And a week, or a month or whatever, from now...another poster will be here with a similar story to yours, or the Dutch players, or DC9999's story at Crystal Palace. As long as people continue to play at these casinos, there will always be these threads. But sometimes you just gotta let it go, and move on. For your own peace of mind. And that's all I'm gonna say. As to your private issues, you are right that it's best to keep them private. Besides them not being relevant to the issue, you'll find that sometimes stuff like that can come back and bite you in the ass at a later date. JMO.

 

[mysticjoz]

Or you guys can all go on posting for another 20 pages, whatever tickles your fancy. But you will never see another penny from them.
But sometimes you just gotta let it go, and move on. For your own peace of mind. And that's all I'm gonna say. As to your private issues, you are right that it's best to keep them private. Besides them not being relevant to the issue, you'll find that sometimes stuff like that can come back and bite you in the ass at a later date. JMO.

First off I have been avoiding posting for a reason... I am not saying my post is gonna get me a dime.. and No it does not tickle my fancy.. but hey I may as well be in on the conversation IF I see fit!
Sometimes you just gotta let it go..?? hmm where have I heard that before?!
Yes, private is private.
I never wanted this to turn into this nightmare.. If I feel the need to respond on this thread I do.. and Just because I do does not mean I think I am ever going to see a dime.. god knows how many threads we have here that either get derailed or off the subject .. Heck why not!!
most of us are friends and it can make light or fun of some pretty nasty or ugly situations... It's really the only way for any of us to grab a smile during alot of BS that we have to deal with everyday with the rogue or not recomended IMO.

 

[patrina]

First off I have been avoiding posting for a reason... I am not saying my post is gonna get me a dime.. and No it does not tickle my fancy.. but hey I may as well be in on the conversation IF I see fit!
Sometimes you just gotta let it go..?? hmm where have I heard that before?!
Yes, private is private.
I never wanted this to turn into this nightmare.. If I feel the need to respond on this thread I do.. and Just because I do does not mean I think I am ever going to see a dime.. god knows how many threads we have here that either get derailed or off the subject .. Heck why not!!
most of us are friends and it can make light or fun of some pretty nasty or ugly situations... It's really the only way for any of us to grab a smile during alot of BS that we have to deal with everyday with the rogue or not recomended IMO.

If their not gonna pay you then this thread is the only ammo you got. I'm sure they figured it would go away long ago. Every post in this thread HURTS THEM LIKE HELL!! And it's well deserved. Yes, you can check and see them in the rogue section but posting in this thread and keeping it going makes them squirm and I'm sure is getting pretty hot under the collar. And, if what that ex-rep said is true then they should be wiped from the gaming industry. And, sued to the max. Is there a way of getting something going, in terms of a law suit? Is that possible? I dont know anything about the legalities of the gaming industry. Would Heather testify? There are many players who have been ripped off, right? Start a thread, unite. Take em down!!

p.s. Is any if this even possible?

 

[lanidar]

I created a poll in Wild Cards regarding who the LIAR is either me, Lanidar or Phynqster.

Here is the link:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/18486/​

 

[mysticjoz]

Diversion - Hyperbole - smoke - mirrors and absolutely irrelevent to this particular issue.

Not irrelevant in any way shape or form.. it states facts by a former employee about charging cards without permission about repeated promising of wins. how the heck is that irrelevant? If anything it is a vital piece of info that proves they only practice illegitimately and only to profit. they could care less about the players...

right Dean?.. Dean?? oh that's right.. you have your head in the sand

 

[lojo]

lojo, do you really think this is irrelevant? I think (whether it's fact or fiction) this is VERY important info for players to see. I certainly would like to hear more from (Heather I think the accuser was) this is some serious stuff. And to me, very relevant to the casinos in question. lojo you seem to kinda side with them, just wondering why? I know you said your biased but to me it seems you dont believe the accusations. Have you had good experiences with them. I just would like to hear something that may be positive, if that's the case. You dont have to reply, I'm just curious. Thanks

Yippers Patrina, it don't mean f*ck all to the discussion of this thread.

I'm not siding with anybody, I just wanted to see pertinent facts so I could, for myself, see if Mystic got ripped off. I also got annoyed as hell, but I have been objective and cordial and will continue to be.

The 'why' is pretty complicated. It's more like a koan than a reason, but if you were bored enough and I were vane enough to suggest it, you could read every word I've written on here about 'them' (take it all out of emotional and inflated context) and I think all you will see is a voice of reason and somebody offering an olive branch to whom I considered a good manager.

I stated my motive here after I stated it to Chris on the phone, the 'cat' was out of the bag. Now I'm simply waltzing and hoping I've done more good than harm.

Frankly, and this is callous, I don't give a shit about Mystic's issue. I just want the facts so she will stfu about it one way or the other. grrr.

You are a sweetheart, and I care about 'joanne', and this is not about pals or backing winning horses. It is about right and wrong and reason.

What a waste if this whole thing turned out that people thought i was a Virtual shill; knowingly or unknowingly. Frankly, I don't give a shit about them either. I have never supported the operation, nor spoke against it. It's none of my business. Just like the 'dolphin tales profanity' soundbites show; we hear what we want to hear, see what we expect to see in our distal and proxal realities.

My point dear patrina is... who gives a shit? And what are the true motives of those who 'give' a shit? You seem like a wholesome person, of good heart, but this is a dirty business getting 'cleaner' every day.

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Was hoping I could find savoy brown's 'dirty business, the losing kind' c'est la vie

Wishing you the best

lojo
~

 

[lojo]

I created a poll in Wild Cards regarding who the LIAR is either me, Lanidar or Phynqster.

Here is the link:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/18486/​

It starts with 'C' children, chill dude. Are you a female in junior high? A thread in wild cards? STFU this is going from the sublime to the stupid.

 

[lojo]

Not irrelevant in any way shape or form.. it states facts by a former employee about charging cards without permission about repeated promising of wins. how the heck is that irrelevant? If anything it is a vital piece of info that proves they only practice illegitimately and only to profit. they could care less about the players...

right Dean?.. Dean?? oh that's right.. you have your head in the sand

i thought you were going to state, eventually, whether you did not read or understand the T&C, or whether PoC owes you money. If 'unauthorized withdrawals' are the nexus of your case you will be looking at a greater authority than CM and if you drag those fux into it all bets are off.


It's getting ugly.

Did you pitch a bitch?

You complaing on CM... complaind... even jesus can't help you

Did you PaB?

Your so called issue is f*cking with active negotiations, shut the fuck up.

 

[patrina]

[
My point dear patrina is... who gives a shit? And what are the true motives of those who 'give' a shit? You seem like a wholesome person, of good heart, but this is a dirty business getting 'cleaner' every day.


Ok lojo, no offence, just was curious, i'm like a cat that way. Just thought maybe you had some good experiences with them, that's all. I didn't mean to shake this up. Anyhoo, I get ya. I am gonna crash cause I'm pooched, irrelevant I know, tee hee. Have a good night, day or whatever it may be where you are. Thanks for the response.
Patrina

 

[Simmo!]

i thought you were going to state, eventually, whether you did not read or understand the T&C, or whether PoC owes you money. If 'unauthorized withdrawals' are the nexus of your case you will be looking at a greater authority than CM and if you drag those fux into it all bets are off.


It's getting ugly.

Did you pitch a bitch?

You complaing on CM... complaind... even jesus can't help you

Did you PaB?

Your so called issue is f*cking with active negotiations, shut the fuck up.

Hey Lojo. Keep it civil please!

 

[mrracetrack]

Posted by Lojo:

Your so called issue is f*cking with active negotiations, shut the fuck up.

A rather rude and classless comment to post, in my opinion.

 

[The Dude]

Chill out please

Infraction given. Chill please.

 

[lanidar]

Your so called issue is f*cking with active negotiations, shut the fuck up.

Lojo, cursing at a lady?
I've stooped to new lows but, this is the lowest.
Smarten the hell up!

 

[lanidar]

[""Again thanks Lanidar! :notworthy

I've just been working with a friend of mine and came up with this very interesting reading......""

Wow
Mystic, unflippin believable!! This freaked me right out. Is this one from lanidar? Keep it personal, if you dont want to say. But this totally blew my mind. The only thing that kinda confused me was the part where the girl got attacked in the shopping centre? And a polygraph? Tell me more about this if you can. Enquiring minds want to know.
Patrina

I've tried emailing her quite a few times with no reply.
I have no idea if she's getting them and not answering (for what ever reason) or possibly she's just not getting them.
It is strange that one day she's here them poof....gone.
I have no clue to what happened to her.
What I will do is email her again and see if she replies...ok?

 

[fcat]

Geez, how long before this thread goes to the wild card section casinomeister?

 

[lanidar]

I tried....sorry, I have no idea where to go from here.

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Hi Heather,
Jinnia and I have emailed you quite a few times a couple of years ago and never received a
reply.
We are all wondering if you are OK.
Please reply.
Thanks,
John

 

[patrina]

[""I tried....sorry, I have no idea where to go from here. ""


Hey lanidar, Thanks for going through all the trouble to find out more info. Pretty heavy stuff & I'm curious as hell. I was wondering if she was a member here too? Anyway, your a sweetheart, thanks!!
Patrina

 

[mysticjoz]

i thought you were going to state, eventually, whether you did not read or understand the T&C, or whether PoC owes you money. If 'unauthorized withdrawals' are the nexus of your case you will be looking at a greater authority than CM and if you drag those fux into it all bets are off.


It's getting ugly. Only by you
Did you pitch a bitch? YES

You complaing on CM... complaind... even jesus can't help you

Did you PaB? again YES
Your so called issue is f*cking with active negotiations, shut the fuck up.

Now I remember why I have been avoidiing here..

 

[oldtrvlagt]

Sorry....I tried not to stick my nose in but everytime this thread pops up with something new it's like an accident...you don't want to look but you do.

It has to die, be euthanized, put out of it's misery, something. Can someone with higher authority get rid of it? I think it lost its' usefulness a while back.

 

[fcat]

Sorry....I tried not to stick my nose in but everytime this thread pops up with something new it's like an accident...you don't want to look but you do.

It has to die, be euthanized, put out of it's misery, something. Can someone with higher authority get rid of it? I think it lost its' usefulness a while back.

You are right, I've almost forgotten what the original post was about. Name calling, e-mails, disrespecting each other in posts, maybe it's time for the wild card section. At least they can have at it.

 

[GaryWatson]

1st time ive seen this thread. saw how popular it was and had to take a look. Too be honest it would take me a week to go through the entire thread.

My conclusion from what I read.

Just sad on many levels.

Promise to pay then accuse of wrongdoings

(I would consider a site to check if it was a valid win before phoning and confirming the payout. There is no excuse for that)

become unavailable for further comment.

(on an unresolved issue, that is just shady. It only goes to show there is no real safety net to protect yourself from dishonest operators)

Whether or not, the payout fulfilled the criteria, the casino was n the wrong. If you request money from an ATM and it gives you $10 instead of $100. Do you think the bank would get away with ignoring your requests for the money?

If there has been no resolution, I consider it still valid. I think the personal attacks could be deleted. Personal I dont play casino games too often. If I ever get through the entire thread im sure I'll find all the reasons why.

The only way you can really win is not to play on the site. Post in forums about your experience & hope others boycott too. The problem is, some sites use the money they scam to advertize their site & bring in a fresh load of new customers.

Online casinos are all ready a rip off & thats with natural preset odds. If you cant stay away from them, do what I do. I just play the free no deposit games. Even when I win, I dont deposit to collect my cash. Theres always a catch somewhere

 

[lojo]

My apologies for losing my objectivity and my rudeness to Mystic. It was uncalled for and there is no excuse, it just finally got under my skin and I blew. This is the most civilized forum on the net and *hole-ism need not be tolerated.

It's an unfortunate situation whether her jackpot was 'fairly' trapped by that crappy term or not. There are a lot of lessons to be learned from this issue. But I'll leave it to others to learn their own lessons as I have learned mine.

I'll be staying out of this issue from here on. Bryan informed me that she had indeed PaB. All I can assume is that the casino did not provide him with the numbers months ago or he would have told her that she did or did not have a standing, and she would have reported that to us. Instead she had to rely on another member to transcribe and sort the mess out from screen shots.

I have never given the 'benefit of the doubt' to them and taken their side, nor could I give the benefit to her if she did not have the numbers crunched.

Without data there is no way to form a valid opinion. I'm not willing to automatically take the casino's nor the player's side in any dispute, even though here, because of reputation, it is easy to lean toward the player's side.

Other than I am bowing out of this issue, I've said all I have meant to say in the last few weeks, so I won't repeat it. And other than my meltdown rudeness the other day, I stand by everything I have said and every question I have asked.

See that sideways blur? That's me stepping out of this one.

 

[phynqster]

Lojo, I just wanted to take a moment to say Thank You. Not for anything you have done for me, but for the courage you took, by not rolling over and playing dead like so many others here do." Player right, casino wrong, closed case". You watch your reputation points go down, and people attacking you, all for expressing your opinion. I personally have been posting for years that there needs to be more interaction, and Casinomeister has tried, but in the end the it becomes onesided. I am glad you put forth the effort, and I hope you keep it up. It just makes this a better forum, having open minded individuals like yourself. I do not mean that there are not others who this is also directed too, just Lojo was the most vocal.

 

[jinnia]

the ONLY issue here that is relevant is the lifetime deposit/bonus ratio one. Nothing else matters, period.

But Mystic, I do gotta say...I don't care what Dean or Andre or anyone told you on the phone. I don't care that they said you would be paid. I don't care that they told you to playthrough another $1,000...none of those things matter. It only proves that they are the scum we all know they are, nothing more. ALL I CARE ABOUT IS HOW MUCH YOU DEPOSITED AND HOW MUCH MONEY IN TOTAL BONUSES YOU RECEIVED.

I agree with you completely Pina!!

What you have stated above, is exactly all that matters in this issue.

I'll be honest, I don't read terms, never thought it was important for I don't use bonuses of any kind, and the few I play at (use to play at) never has thrown that term at me and I know I have withdrawn a LOT more than ever deposited, a few times! IF I go back to playing at an online casino, I'll be reading entire T'sandC's for such ignorant terms, and avoid those casinos.

So please, read over EVERY single online casinos Terms and Conditions BEFORE depositing and playing, the ones with this rule, Do Not deposit there, keep looking and find one you feel comfortable (that hasn't a bad reputation like...XYZ group) with who don't have the term.

 

[mysticjoz]

CM members.. tell me or POC which is the truth? ...

Well all.. I can finally say.. I have finally had it with Palace of chance! TODAY again.. I got yet another BS spam mail from Palace Of FAT Chance your gonna get paid!

NO MAX, NO PLAY THROUGH BONUSES
At Palace of Chance winners take all especially with these bonuses will knock the socks of our competition!!!
NO wagering, NO Maximum cash-out requirements!
225% Bonus NO Play Through
NO MAX CASH-OUT!
Deposit $225 or more
Redeem Coupon: 225SPLASHOFCASH
(To Redeem up to 5x.) *
If played on BJ or 3 Card rummy 25x plays through applies!
150% No Play Through
NO MAX CASH-OUT!
With 25% Insurance
Deposit $150 or more
Redeem Coupon: 150SPLASHOFCASH

(To Redeem up to 5X.) *
If played on BJ or 3 Card rummy 25x plays through applies

and I replied with this....

To: Manager - POC
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: NO MAX, NO PLAY THROUGH BONUSES

Hey guys... you seem to forget.
I already won a random jackpot there.. I was promised the money, dragged along for 10 days + and then wiped out my account!
So let dean know.. until I see ALL of the winnings he promised me I HAVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY ABOUT POC... and believe me you... I now have tons of contacts!
every forum knows...
so pay up.. and i will start to say and post that you guys are trying to please your customers... until then you have all negative advertising and reviews!
mysticjoz

Well.. this following reply is so totally professional (NOT!)! So tell me everyone.. am I really hated here?

Dear mysticjoz
I'm getting sick of your remarks on Casino Miester!!!!!!
You know that RULES are placed in the Casino for customers that take advantage of free chips. You were a FREE CHIP ABUSER always begging for free chips. Make a $20 deposit and take like $100 in free chips what do you expect is going to happen. Also you make remarks of other casino's you have never even been at. Do you have anything better to do then complain like a little Women with a Skinned knee?
Get a live and move on JOANNE, you are hated on Casino Miester.
Find another means of entertainment will you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POST THIS ON CASINO MIESTER

CM members.. tell me (or POC) which is the truth? Am I really hated here? and BTW CM is not my only forum, I will always come here and appreciate being entitled to my opinion, but an accussation like this I will not just let slide, it is an outright insult we all know the "free chip" BS is lies (which seem to get bigger an bigger with each time POC speaks)!...So, Come on everybody... let loose!

 

[just play]

I highly doubt POC talks with every single member here

I'm sure there are people that disagree with people, but to say hate? Not likely.

I find it amusing they are sending you bonus offers, and said "get a live" NOT "get a life"

 

[mysticjoz]

I personally like the "crying like a WOMAN with a skinned knee" comment..

 

[mrracetrack]

Dear mysticjoz
I'm getting sick of your remarks on Casino Miester!!!!!!
You know that RULES are placed in the Casino for customers that take advantage of free chips. You were a FREE CHIP ABUSER always begging for free chips. Make a $20 deposit and take like $100 in free chips what do you expect is going to happen. Also you make remarks of other casino's you have never even been at. Do you have anything better to do then complain like a little Women with a Skinned knee?
Get a live and move on JOANNE, you are hated on Casino Miester.
Find another means of entertainment will you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POST THIS ON CASINO MIESTER

Exactly the type of response you would expect from the "Human Vermin" that operate this shithole of a casino... and the rest of the Virtual cesspools.

What a classless bunch of low lifes they are.

 

[lanidar]

Dear mysticjoz
I'm getting sick of your remarks on Casino Miester!!!!!!
You know that RULES are placed in the Casino for customers that take advantage of free chips. You were a FREE CHIP ABUSER always begging for free chips. Make a $20 deposit and take like $100 in free chips what do you expect is going to happen. Also you make remarks of other casino's you have never even been at. Do you have anything better to do then complain like a little Women with a Skinned knee?
Get a live and move on JOANNE, you are hated on Casino Miester.
Find another means of entertainment will you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POST THIS ON CASINO MIESTER

Was there a signature on the email?
I'm just curious to whom the little piss ant is that sent you that.

Remember this Mystic, the girly man who sent you this definitely lacks an education.
His spelling sucks and so does his grammar.
This is typical of Virtual customer service.
They grab some poor soul off the street .. show them what a telephone is and how it works ...
then teaches them how to be rude.
Then after a week or so the explain what a computer is ... how to type ... how to send emails and again...
teaches them how to be rude.

Now, how in the world would someone from shit hole like Virtual know that you are hated in this forum.
I can't recall ANYONE saying ANYTHING like that.
Just more bullshit spouting from their mouth.

What dumb son of a bitches.

 

[mysticjoz]

Was there a signature on the email?
I'm just curious to whom the little piss ant is that sent you that..

No Lanidar.. No signature! Just the comment.. "Post this on Casino Meister!"

 

[lanidar]

Costa Rican education:

Education. As much as 30 percent of school-age children do not attend school; and among the unsatisfied basic needs (UBN) poor, about 20 percent of children ages 7 to 10 are not in school. These are significantly higher rates than for the poverty-line poor and non-poor. Access to education is low in rural areas, and school attendance is much lower after age 10 than in urban areas.

This is the typical Virtual employee's education.​

 

[BingoT]

Sorry....I tried not to stick my nose in but everytime this thread pops up with something new it's like an accident

Yeah she had an accident too.
Poor Kid

 

[fcat]

Mystic, I really hope everything works out for you, I am sure everybody on the forum does. Nobody likes to see anybody get ripped off. Just don't let your feelings get the best of you and let this post get derailed like the other 2 threads re: coolcat, POC.It's getting pretty close to being that way.

Love,Liz