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WB_Carter

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RTG casino accounts. I just can't do it anymore. Im just use to Microgaming software. RTG isn't for me. Im sorry, but I rather buy lottery tickets. Its just entirely too many empty spins, with poor returning bonus rounds. My avg spins are $1.50. Just to get a bonus round of $20. This is across several games. No mattter if I switch games it the same. So I kept 1 RTG casino (rushmore) open because of 15k tourny. Other then that. If MG doesn't come back to US. Im done with it. RTG is not right for me. Sorry!

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Kim: If you need any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us. We will be happy to help anytime
 
WB_Carter said:
RTG casino accounts. I just can't do it anymore. Im just use to Microgaming software. RTG isn't for me. Im sorry, but I rather buy lottery tickets. Its just entirely too many empty spins, with poor returning bonus rounds. My avg spins are $1.50. Just to get a bonus round of $20. This is across several games. No mattter if I switch games it the same. So I kept 1 RTG casino (rushmore) open because of 15k tourny. Other then that. If MG doesn't come back to US. Im done with it. RTG is not right for me. Sorry!

Kim: Your patience is appreciated, I will be with you shortly.

Kim: Your account is closed

Kim: If you need any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us. We will be happy to help anytime
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What about trying Rivals (Sloto'Cash or Vegas2WEb) or one of the TopGame sites such as Diamond VIP? or Treasure Mile Genesys group? THere are other alternatives for US players besides RTG?

Diane
 
chuchu59 said:
IMO its even worse at Rival and the slots will empty your bankroll in no time. Hardly ever played Topgame but the big worry are the operators where you are likely to face an uphill battle getting paid.
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Chuchu -
By now you know me well enough (I think) that I DO know what I am talking about (most times) but certainly in regards to where I play and get paid. Diamond VIP and Winward are two Top Game sites where you will get paid. There is not a concern with either of those sites.

Diane
 
Diane said:
What about trying Rivals (Sloto'Cash or Vegas2Web) or one of the TopGame sites such as Diamond VIP? or Treasure Mile Genesys group? There are other alternatives for US players besides RTG?

Diane
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Unfortunately your advice is a little bit out-of date:
ALL Rival casinos stopped taking any new USA players after August 7th.
The Treasure Mile/Genesys group stopped taking any new USA players after June 1st.

The number of options for US players is shrinking month by month... :(

KK
 
KasinoKing said:
Unfortunately your advice is a little bit out-of date:
ALL Rival casinos stopped taking any new USA players after August 7th.
The Treasure Mile/Genesys group stopped taking any new USA players after June 1st.

The number of options for US players is shrinking month by month... :(

KK
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KK -- I assume you always have more up to date info than me. So I am glad you jump in and save me from giving bad advice.

I mentioned Treasure Mile specifically, because I just started playing there in the last 3 weeks, well after their policy change on US players. But I probably was grandfathered there with a NEW account, because I had previously played at Lucky Creek. So I think that if you had played at ANY of their casinos in past, you can still open a new account at another affiliated casino within the Genesys Group.

Thanks,
Diane
 
chuchu59 said:
Diane - Its nothing against you but just my personal experience with Rival. As for Top Game most reports on them are nothing to rave about.
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Chu -
I didn't take it personal - no problems. We are *cool*.

Everyone's mileage varies casino by casino. Just because my experience is good, people still need to be skeptical at any casino. I just share my experiences, good and bad.

I like having options beyond just RTG.

Diane
 
RTG just isn't for me. I tried to give it the benefit of the doubt yesterday. Rushmore had 150% bonus. I deposited $100. I played a while. Got my balance up to $534 with $932 left to wager. My betted average was .80 and .60. When all said and done. My balace was $128 once play thru was made. Including their $150 That's playing 17 different slots game. The slots died. I had some nice hits on .60 for $100+. But once I got close to home base. Everything just died. Even the hot slots. I am so done with RTG. Those who deposit and play RTG. You can have it. Im DONE!!!
 
WB_Carter said:
RTG just isn't for me. I tried to give it the benefit of the doubt yesterday. Rushmore had 150% bonus. I deposited $100. I played a while. Got my balance up to $534 with $932 left to wager. My betted average was .80 and .60. When all said and done. My balace was $128 once play thru was made. Including their $150 That's playing 17 different slots game. The slots died. I had some nice hits on .60 for $100+. But once I got close to home base. Everything just died. Even the hot slots. I am so done with RTG. Those who deposit and play RTG. You can have it. Im DONE!!!
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LOL.

I thought you were already done with RTG? :rolleyes:

FWIW if you hadn't taken a bonus you could have won $434 instead of losing $100.
 
I said I kept Rushmore open...And I deposited giving them the benefit of the doubt. If I didn't take the bonus I would have busted out anyways. Because the wins didn't kick in. Until I was under my $100 deposit and into $150 Bonus. THANK YOU!
 
plasticnote said:
I think anyone read the thread of 4 of A Kind should have reduced or stopped playing RTG by now.
Just show a support to a heroic fellow player, who risked a lot to disclose the "inside dealing",
on real time switching RTP.

For one, myself, thank 4 of A Kind for this.

Cheers
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How many times does it have to be said????

The stuff 4OAK posted has been posted AGES ago and has been addressed by BRYAN and shown to NOT be proof of ANYTHING dishonest. It's a load of old cobblers with all due respect to 4OAK.

You and WBcarter will play RTG again because you can't help yourselves, and the fact that you have done already since that nonsense was re-hashed again shows just how little you actually believe it.

It's just another excuse to blame someone or something else for your own losses, and shows how little you know about what you risk your money on.
 
Nifty29 said:
How many times does it have to be said????

The stuff 4OAK posted has been posted AGES ago and has been addressed by BRYAN and shown to NOT be proof of ANYTHING dishonest. It's a load of old cobblers with all due respect to 4OAK.

You and WBcarter will play RTG again because you can't help yourselves, and the fact that you have done already since that nonsense was re-hashed again shows just how little you actually believe it.

It's just another excuse to blame someone or something else for your own losses, and shows how little you know about what you risk your money on.
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Hi Nifty29:

If or Not playing at RTG is at my own decision. In fact, I have not played RTG even once for 3 weeks already, and not likely to go back.

And what you said "...because you can't help yourselves..., excuse to blame someone or something else for your own losses, and shows how little you know..." is a bit uncalled for. This is the 1st time, so I think I just let it go. I hope that I do not have to bother Mod for 2nd time.

Thank you.

Cheers
 
I think RTG has gone down hill. It is a rare instance to hit anything anymore. I have play logs where thousands of spins were played on many games and it took so many spins to hit a feature that paid out less than your bet. It isn't worth it anymore.

I to have asked for my accounts to be closed because it just isn't worth it. Then when you are lucky enough to win it is a PITA to get your withdrawal. Clubword you need atleast 350 USD after your bonus is removed to be able to cashout. Now Rushmore you need a swift code, etc. etc. Fees are rediculous to get your money.

Now when I want to gamble, I take the money I would have deposited and put it into a saving account and save to go to Atlantic City or Vegas. Atleast there I have many options to play different games and always at the end get a free room for my next visit. And get enough comps for a few free meals. I don't feel like because I am in the US I am restricted to play anywere I like or have freaking withdrawal requirement and no caps on winnings.

At this point it is play at your own risk, and make sure you have a dependable way to withdraw your winnings. Don't wait until you have won something to find out you can't get it because you didn't win enough or they have different requirements to send your money.

Just my 2 cents.
LH
 
Besides the lack of bonus rounds on rtg, I've noticed huge differences on
Both payout and potential of these games:

Trex, mystic dragon and crystal waters. I've always felt that any of these
Games had potential to hit big. I just feel something in the software
Has changed regarding these slots in particular. Paydirt also has gotten
Extremely tough to win anything as well.

It's ashame because I used to like playing all these games.
 
Nifty29 said:
How many times does it have to be said????

The stuff 4OAK posted has been posted AGES ago and has been addressed by BRYAN and shown to NOT be proof of ANYTHING dishonest. It's a load of old cobblers with all due respect to 4OAK.

You and WBcarter will play RTG again because you can't help yourselves, and the fact that you have done already since that nonsense was re-hashed again shows just how little you actually believe it.

It's just another excuse to blame someone or something else for your own losses, and shows how little you know about what you risk your money on.
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Man what is your problem. Why is it that you have to jump in everyone's thread? For now on if I make a thread please don't bother to comment on it. You seem to like egging people on? What's wrong, you're not getting enough attention at home? It seems like you are trying to run most of the members away here. How many are banned because of altercation with you? I may play RTG again, and if i win some money. The first thing im going to buy is a pair of boots. I hope your tongue is good and moist also.
 
I have to agree. The returns are just not equivalent to, for example, 3Dice or the Microgaming casinos (when they still served US). There's that Donald Trump expression that goes something like, "if someone has a problem with you, they have a problem. If 25 people have a problem with you, you have a problem." That is, EVERYBODY can't be wrong. Even if they are all speaking from personal, anecdotal experience.
 
nisosbar said:
I have to agree. The returns are just not equivalent to, for example, 3Dice or the Microgaming casinos (when they still served US). There's that Donald Trump expression that goes something like, "if someone has a problem with you, they have a problem. If 25 people have a problem with you, you have a problem." That is, EVERYBODY can't be wrong. Even if they are all speaking from personal, anecdotal experience.
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Except that everybody does NOT agree.....hence you've shot your whole theory down.

Unless of course you are suggesting that 911 was organised by Bush and co, the earth is flat, the moon landings were fake etc.......I'm sure more than 25 people believe all that, so those things must be true. OMG how could I have missed that???
 
nisosbar said:
I have to agree. The returns are just not equivalent to, for example, 3Dice or the Microgaming casinos (when they still served US). There's that Donald Trump expression that goes something like, "if someone has a problem with you, they have a problem. If 25 people have a problem with you, you have a problem." That is, EVERYBODY can't be wrong. Even if they are all speaking from personal, anecdotal experience.
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Not sure whether everyone will agree but I certainly do. The software programmers arent stupid though and it will take a helluva work to figure out how the returns have been reduced. There is still the occasional monster hit but when you have to clear WRs you wont be able to find a single slot without endless dead spins to do that. Something amiss? Definitely! But what is it?
 
Nifty29 said:
Except that everybody does NOT agree.....hence you've shot your whole theory down.

Unless of course you are suggesting that 911 was organised by Bush and co, the earth is flat, the moon landings were fake etc.......I'm sure more than 25 people believe all that, so those things must be true. OMG how could I have missed that???
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Well, opinions - you know what they say. ;)

I still play at Club World and High Noon, and a couple other RTG's, since I still think for US-facing casino slots, RTG's are quite fun. I guess the analogy I should apply in terms of how my online constellation stacks up is that RTG is fun, but not as much as 3Dice or others, thus, I simply don't play on RTG as much.

Saying that is hardly the end of the world, is it? Just as a reminder, my post is 100% topical - it's my opinion. You have yours. That's life. Kind of like democracy, too. :thumbsup:
 
chuchu59 said:
Not sure whether everyone will agree but I certainly do. The software programmers arent stupid though and it will take a helluva work to figure out how the returns have been reduced. There is still the occasional monster hit but when you have to clear WRs you wont be able to find a single slot without endless dead spins to do that. Something amiss? Definitely! But what is it?
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Personally, I think it's the contribution to the random jackpot that lowers expected returns on each winning spin.
 
WB_Carter said:
Man what is your problem. Why is it that you have to jump in everyone's thread? For now on if I make a thread please don't bother to comment on it. You seem to like egging people on? What's wrong, you're not getting enough attention at home? It seems like you are trying to run most of the members away here. How many are banned because of altercation with you? I may play RTG again, and if i win some money. The first thing im going to buy is a pair of boots. I hope your tongue is good and moist also.
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I don't jump in lightly -- but you are way out of line here. ok, you take exception to him posting in your thread - I get it.

But back off buddy and stick with sharing information not personal attacks.

Diane
 
Diane said:
... stick with sharing information not personal attacks.
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Good advice for EVERYONE to follow! Let's have less of the kvetching, yes? If someone's post pisses you off then Report it:

Attach Removed (Old not found)

If it's not important enough to Report then it sure the hell isn't important enough to derail the thread, disturb the peace, and start with the "this is how much I don't like you" crap.

C'mon guys, get with the program: cleaning up these forums is everyone's job and your primary task is to keep the "I don't like you" kvetching and personal attacks to yourselves (assuming you're not willing to Report).

Thank you for your cooperation.
 
Well I have a theory...I used to play RTG when they had maybe 10 games. If I played 10 or 15 spins and didn't win anything I'd try another game. Eventually I'd find the one that was paying out. But now they have so many games I usually run out of money before finding the winning one! ;) Not always though, I've had a few decent hits at RTG lately. Not at Rushmore though, my luck has always been crap there.
 
sandykauf said:
Besides the lack of bonus rounds on rtg, I've noticed huge differences on
Both payout and potential of these games:

Trex, mystic dragon and crystal waters. I've always felt that any of these
Games had potential to hit big. I just feel something in the software
Has changed regarding these slots in particular. Paydirt also has gotten
Extremely tough to win anything as well.

It's ashame because I used to like playing all these games.
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I see your point. I have had big winners at each of those slots but dead since. I have been p;laying the other less popular ones lately which have had some hit and miss payouts. It seems like the RTP is player and slot specific. Like the software recognizes how well this slot or that slot has paid out to you over time just based on IP address. Plus, since we know the casinos have no control over anything, or so they say, it all comes back to the servers at RTG.
 
daveboz said:
I see your point. I have had big winners at each of those slots but dead since. I have been p;laying the other less popular ones lately which have had some hit and miss payouts. It seems like the RTP is player and slot specific. Like the software recognizes how well this slot or that slot has paid out to you over time just based on IP address. Plus, since we know the casinos have no control over anything, or so they say, it all comes back to the servers at RTG.
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Quite a revelation Dave.

Can you please share your data with us? You obviously have it as surely nobody would make accusations like that without it?

I'm looking forward to it.

(Does this mean, now that you have revealed the player and slot-specific RTP system that RTG employ, that you will no longer be playing at RTG? I mean, one would look quite silly if they continued to play on blatantly cheating software right?)
 
Nifty29 said:
Quite a revelation Dave.

Can you please share your data with us? You obviously have it as surely nobody would make accusations like that without it?

I'm looking forward to it.

(Does this mean, now that you have revealed the player and slot-specific RTP system that RTG employ, that you will no longer be playing at RTG? I mean, one would look quite silly if they continued to play on blatantly cheating software right?)
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What accusation? I have clearly stated IT SEEMS LIKE.. Which is my opinion. Man, you are hilarious.

Regarding my comment about RTG servers? All I ever hear from CS is they have no control which means RTG controls all the strings. Not bad for aa company who controls what 95% of the US market? I'm wrong to suspect any questionable activity from an organization with a near monopoly status? Applies to any industry!
 
daveboz said:
What accusation? I have clearly stated IT SEEMS LIKE.. Which is my opinion. Man, you are hilarious.

Regarding my comment about RTG servers? All I ever hear from CS is they have no control which means RTG controls all the strings. Not bad for aa company who controls what 95% of the US market? I'm wrong to suspect any questionable activity from an organization with a near monopoly status? Applies to any industry!
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OK....your opinion based on what? Losing? I don't see how anyone can even have an opinion based on nothing, so I assumed you must have collated some data.

There is nothing wrong with suspecting "questionable activity" or having an opinion that it SEEMS like they are controlling payouts on a personal level or via OP. Nothing at all. What does that say about you then when you continue to play there? No way in the world would I play games that I thought were cheating, and I doubt most other intelligent people would either. If you have a good reason as to why you DO keep playing, I would be genuinely interested to hear it.....because from where I sit, it just looks like someone ranting when they lose and struggling to understand how slot machines operate, and it hardly convinces me to subscribe to your point of view when you obviously don't really believe it yourself (otherwise you wouldn't play, right?)
 
Nifty29 said:
OK....your opinion based on what? Losing? I don't see how anyone can even have an opinion based on nothing, so I assumed you must have collated some data.

There is nothing wrong with suspecting "questionable activity" or having an opinion that it SEEMS like they are controlling payouts on a personal level or via OP. Nothing at all. What does that say about you then when you continue to play there? No way in the world would I play games that I thought were cheating, and I doubt most other intelligent people would either. If you have a good reason as to why you DO keep playing, I would be genuinely interested to hear it.....because from where I sit, it just looks like someone ranting when they lose and struggling to understand how slot machines operate, and it hardly convinces me to subscribe to your point of view when you obviously don't really believe it yourself (otherwise you wouldn't play, right?)
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Can I ask you a simple question? Do you have a day job? Seriously what do you do away from this blog? I've already shared what I do for a living..
 
@ chayton i have to agree with you. back when rtg had only a few slots it was much easier to find a slot that might be lose. now with so many new games available i too go broke just trying to get a feature on any of them.
i alwalys feel that the games know when its time to dry up. like if i get lucky i know it wont last long so i better make the right choices in my betting. well needless to say i never make the right choices as i bust out. but for a short time i have hope of a cash out and then *phoof * GONE:(
 
So Nifty and Diane take away my points. I tell you the truth. There are some real square people around here. @Diane why to you tell Nifty to keep my name out his posts. Not one time did I mention him until he mentioned me. Look how he's getting on Davezboy - Why not take some of Nifty points for that?

Anyone thats says something someone don't like. Some people just jump on them and take away things. SMH! I see this forum is divided in to sections. You got those that will follow the Right Wing. While some are int he middle. And Others on the Left Wing.
 
chayton said:
Well I have a theory...I used to play RTG when they had maybe 10 games. If I played 10 or 15 spins and didn't win anything I'd try another game. Eventually I'd find the one that was paying out. But now they have so many games I usually run out of money before finding the winning one! ;) Not always though, I've had a few decent hits at RTG lately. Not at Rushmore though, my luck has always been crap there.
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That is exactly how I feel, Chayton! I do find a few "hot slots" here and there, but I also frequently run out of money before finding "that hot one". I find that every time I keep spinning and spinning, waiting for my luck to change, I bust out. Ever so much fun, yes? :p
 
jod5413 said:
That is exactly how I feel, Chayton! I do find a few "hot slots" here and there, but I also frequently run out of money before finding "that hot one". I find that every time I keep spinning and spinning, waiting for my luck to change, I bust out. Ever so much fun, yes? :p
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I have the same trouble at MG too - there are just too many games and I can never pick the right ones!
 
Won't some of the casino give you your RTP stats

When I have requested mine, I usually get them. Not all but some. I usually have some nice wins on RTG, 3Dice and some times no good wins. Overall I am in the red, but then again I don't like to cash out small amounts (anything less than $100,000 dollars). So I never cash out anymore. Maybe I will lower my expectations.

I remember a post back in 2008 where someone was concerned that the RTG slots had gotten tight. Another member stated that they had deposited $200 or so and withdrew $240 or $280. That depositor did admit the slots seemed a bit tight. They probably didn't play with a bonus either.

On the bonus note, could it be the bonuses have been steadily trimmed down over the years and that years ago the bonus was bigger and the play through was less, there were less restrictions on withdrawing the winnings from bonus+deposit funds and there were generally more bonus opportunities to select from?
 
binshakindown said:
Overall I am in the red, but then again I don't like to cash out small amounts (anything less than $100,000 dollars). So I never cash out anymore. Maybe I will lower my expectations.
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Wish I could roll like you. :) Maybe one day I'll be able to move from mid-roller to high-roller.

binshakindown said:
On the bonus note, could it be the bonuses have been steadily trimmed down over the years and that years ago the bonus was bigger and the play through was less, there were less restrictions on withdrawing the winnings from bonus+deposit funds and there were generally more bonus opportunities to select from?
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You could be on to something here. Coming back to online two years ago after a five year gap was a shock and just keeps going down from there. But I've seen bonuses, limits,etc deteriorate quite a lot since 2009. Where terms and offers which were once seen as outrageous when one casino did it, are rapidly becoming the norm across all casinos.
 

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