I just closed all my

[chuchu59]

I have to agree. The returns are just not equivalent to, for example, 3Dice or the Microgaming casinos (when they still served US). There's that Donald Trump expression that goes something like, "if someone has a problem with you, they have a problem. If 25 people have a problem with you, you have a problem." That is, EVERYBODY can't be wrong. Even if they are all speaking from personal, anecdotal experience.

Not sure whether everyone will agree but I certainly do. The software programmers arent stupid though and it will take a helluva work to figure out how the returns have been reduced. There is still the occasional monster hit but when you have to clear WRs you wont be able to find a single slot without endless dead spins to do that. Something amiss? Definitely! But what is it?

 

[nisosbar]

Except that everybody does NOT agree.....hence you've shot your whole theory down.

Unless of course you are suggesting that 911 was organised by Bush and co, the earth is flat, the moon landings were fake etc.......I'm sure more than 25 people believe all that, so those things must be true. OMG how could I have missed that???

Well, opinions - you know what they say.

I still play at Club World and High Noon, and a couple other RTG's, since I still think for US-facing casino slots, RTG's are quite fun. I guess the analogy I should apply in terms of how my online constellation stacks up is that RTG is fun, but not as much as 3Dice or others, thus, I simply don't play on RTG as much.

Saying that is hardly the end of the world, is it? Just as a reminder, my post is 100% topical - it's my opinion. You have yours. That's life. Kind of like democracy, too.

 

[nisosbar]

Not sure whether everyone will agree but I certainly do. The software programmers arent stupid though and it will take a helluva work to figure out how the returns have been reduced. There is still the occasional monster hit but when you have to clear WRs you wont be able to find a single slot without endless dead spins to do that. Something amiss? Definitely! But what is it?

Personally, I think it's the contribution to the random jackpot that lowers expected returns on each winning spin.

 

[Diane]

Man what is your problem. Why is it that you have to jump in everyone's thread? For now on if I make a thread please don't bother to comment on it. You seem to like egging people on? What's wrong, you're not getting enough attention at home? It seems like you are trying to run most of the members away here. How many are banned because of altercation with you? I may play RTG again, and if i win some money. The first thing im going to buy is a pair of boots. I hope your tongue is good and moist also.

I don't jump in lightly -- but you are way out of line here. ok, you take exception to him posting in your thread - I get it.

But back off buddy and stick with sharing information not personal attacks.

Diane

 

[maxd]

... stick with sharing information not personal attacks.

Good advice for EVERYONE to follow! Let's have less of the kvetching, yes? If someone's post pisses you off then Report it:

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If it's not important enough to Report then it sure the hell isn't important enough to derail the thread, disturb the peace, and start with the "this is how much I don't like you" crap.

C'mon guys, get with the program: cleaning up these forums is everyone's job and your primary task is to keep the "I don't like you" kvetching and personal attacks to yourselves (assuming you're not willing to Report).

Thank you for your cooperation.

 

[chayton]

Well I have a theory...I used to play RTG when they had maybe 10 games. If I played 10 or 15 spins and didn't win anything I'd try another game. Eventually I'd find the one that was paying out. But now they have so many games I usually run out of money before finding the winning one! Not always though, I've had a few decent hits at RTG lately. Not at Rushmore though, my luck has always been crap there.

 

[daveboz]

Besides the lack of bonus rounds on rtg, I've noticed huge differences on
Both payout and potential of these games:

Trex, mystic dragon and crystal waters. I've always felt that any of these
Games had potential to hit big. I just feel something in the software
Has changed regarding these slots in particular. Paydirt also has gotten
Extremely tough to win anything as well.

It's ashame because I used to like playing all these games.

I see your point. I have had big winners at each of those slots but dead since. I have been p;laying the other less popular ones lately which have had some hit and miss payouts. It seems like the RTP is player and slot specific. Like the software recognizes how well this slot or that slot has paid out to you over time just based on IP address. Plus, since we know the casinos have no control over anything, or so they say, it all comes back to the servers at RTG.

 

[chuchu59]

Personally, I think it's the contribution to the random jackpot that lowers expected returns on each winning spin.

While this is true my belief is that the reduced payouts are not easily noticeable. I am not quite sure but werent RJs already there from Day 1 once the real-series slots were introduced.

 

[Nifty29]

I see your point. I have had big winners at each of those slots but dead since. I have been p;laying the other less popular ones lately which have had some hit and miss payouts. It seems like the RTP is player and slot specific. Like the software recognizes how well this slot or that slot has paid out to you over time just based on IP address. Plus, since we know the casinos have no control over anything, or so they say, it all comes back to the servers at RTG.

Quite a revelation Dave.

Can you please share your data with us? You obviously have it as surely nobody would make accusations like that without it?

I'm looking forward to it.

(Does this mean, now that you have revealed the player and slot-specific RTP system that RTG employ, that you will no longer be playing at RTG? I mean, one would look quite silly if they continued to play on blatantly cheating software right?)

 

[daveboz]

Quite a revelation Dave.

Can you please share your data with us? You obviously have it as surely nobody would make accusations like that without it?

I'm looking forward to it.

(Does this mean, now that you have revealed the player and slot-specific RTP system that RTG employ, that you will no longer be playing at RTG? I mean, one would look quite silly if they continued to play on blatantly cheating software right?)

What accusation? I have clearly stated IT SEEMS LIKE.. Which is my opinion. Man, you are hilarious.

Regarding my comment about RTG servers? All I ever hear from CS is they have no control which means RTG controls all the strings. Not bad for aa company who controls what 95% of the US market? I'm wrong to suspect any questionable activity from an organization with a near monopoly status? Applies to any industry!

 

[Nifty29]

What accusation? I have clearly stated IT SEEMS LIKE.. Which is my opinion. Man, you are hilarious.

Regarding my comment about RTG servers? All I ever hear from CS is they have no control which means RTG controls all the strings. Not bad for aa company who controls what 95% of the US market? I'm wrong to suspect any questionable activity from an organization with a near monopoly status? Applies to any industry!

OK....your opinion based on what? Losing? I don't see how anyone can even have an opinion based on nothing, so I assumed you must have collated some data.

There is nothing wrong with suspecting "questionable activity" or having an opinion that it SEEMS like they are controlling payouts on a personal level or via OP. Nothing at all. What does that say about you then when you continue to play there? No way in the world would I play games that I thought were cheating, and I doubt most other intelligent people would either. If you have a good reason as to why you DO keep playing, I would be genuinely interested to hear it.....because from where I sit, it just looks like someone ranting when they lose and struggling to understand how slot machines operate, and it hardly convinces me to subscribe to your point of view when you obviously don't really believe it yourself (otherwise you wouldn't play, right?)

 

[daveboz]

OK....your opinion based on what? Losing? I don't see how anyone can even have an opinion based on nothing, so I assumed you must have collated some data.

There is nothing wrong with suspecting "questionable activity" or having an opinion that it SEEMS like they are controlling payouts on a personal level or via OP. Nothing at all. What does that say about you then when you continue to play there? No way in the world would I play games that I thought were cheating, and I doubt most other intelligent people would either. If you have a good reason as to why you DO keep playing, I would be genuinely interested to hear it.....because from where I sit, it just looks like someone ranting when they lose and struggling to understand how slot machines operate, and it hardly convinces me to subscribe to your point of view when you obviously don't really believe it yourself (otherwise you wouldn't play, right?)

Can I ask you a simple question? Do you have a day job? Seriously what do you do away from this blog? I've already shared what I do for a living..

 

[Nifty29]

Can I ask you a simple question? Do you have a day job? Seriously what do you do away from this blog? I've already shared what I do for a living..

Good for you.

I share personal information with selected people. You have not been selected.

In addition, your question is irrelevant to the discussion.

Also, this is not a blog.

 

[aceking123]

lmao (dave) ( nifty ) plz settle down guys we all know you love to hate each other ! hahahahaha

 

[reda]

@ chayton i have to agree with you. back when rtg had only a few slots it was much easier to find a slot that might be lose. now with so many new games available i too go broke just trying to get a feature on any of them.
i alwalys feel that the games know when its time to dry up. like if i get lucky i know it wont last long so i better make the right choices in my betting. well needless to say i never make the right choices as i bust out. but for a short time i have hope of a cash out and then *phoof * GONE

 

[WB_Carter]

So Nifty and Diane take away my points. I tell you the truth. There are some real square people around here. @Diane why to you tell Nifty to keep my name out his posts. Not one time did I mention him until he mentioned me. Look how he's getting on Davezboy - Why not take some of Nifty points for that?

Anyone thats says something someone don't like. Some people just jump on them and take away things. SMH! I see this forum is divided in to sections. You got those that will follow the Right Wing. While some are int he middle. And Others on the Left Wing.

 

[WB_Carter]

Now I can't even go back and edit my spelling.

 

[Nate]

Now I can't even go back and edit my spelling.

Take it easy - ... Sometimes its just NOT worth arguing....

Nate

 

[jod5413]

Well I have a theory...I used to play RTG when they had maybe 10 games. If I played 10 or 15 spins and didn't win anything I'd try another game. Eventually I'd find the one that was paying out. But now they have so many games I usually run out of money before finding the winning one! Not always though, I've had a few decent hits at RTG lately. Not at Rushmore though, my luck has always been crap there.

That is exactly how I feel, Chayton! I do find a few "hot slots" here and there, but I also frequently run out of money before finding "that hot one". I find that every time I keep spinning and spinning, waiting for my luck to change, I bust out. Ever so much fun, yes?

 

[chayton]

That is exactly how I feel, Chayton! I do find a few "hot slots" here and there, but I also frequently run out of money before finding "that hot one". I find that every time I keep spinning and spinning, waiting for my luck to change, I bust out. Ever so much fun, yes?

I have the same trouble at MG too - there are just too many games and I can never pick the right ones!

 

[jod5413]

Gawd I miss Microgaming slots!!! And Playtech!! Play a few spins on Fruit Fiesta and Wall Street for me, will Ya?

 

[binshakindown]

Won't some of the casino give you your RTP stats

When I have requested mine, I usually get them. Not all but some. I usually have some nice wins on RTG, 3Dice and some times no good wins. Overall I am in the red, but then again I don't like to cash out small amounts (anything less than $100,000 dollars). So I never cash out anymore. Maybe I will lower my expectations.

I remember a post back in 2008 where someone was concerned that the RTG slots had gotten tight. Another member stated that they had deposited $200 or so and withdrew $240 or $280. That depositor did admit the slots seemed a bit tight. They probably didn't play with a bonus either.

On the bonus note, could it be the bonuses have been steadily trimmed down over the years and that years ago the bonus was bigger and the play through was less, there were less restrictions on withdrawing the winnings from bonus+deposit funds and there were generally more bonus opportunities to select from?

 

[PenDragyn21]

Overall I am in the red, but then again I don't like to cash out small amounts (anything less than $100,000 dollars). So I never cash out anymore. Maybe I will lower my expectations.

Wish I could roll like you. Maybe one day I'll be able to move from mid-roller to high-roller.

On the bonus note, could it be the bonuses have been steadily trimmed down over the years and that years ago the bonus was bigger and the play through was less, there were less restrictions on withdrawing the winnings from bonus+deposit funds and there were generally more bonus opportunities to select from?

You could be on to something here. Coming back to online two years ago after a five year gap was a shock and just keeps going down from there. But I've seen bonuses, limits,etc deteriorate quite a lot since 2009. Where terms and offers which were once seen as outrageous when one casino did it, are rapidly becoming the norm across all casinos.

 

[binshakindown]

Wish I could roll like you. Maybe one day I'll be able to move from mid-roller to high-roller.

I was trying to be funny.

 

[sandykauf]

all rtgs closed for me too. No online casinos playable for me as of 9 2011.