Non-Bonus Complaint hurdle VS Main Street

[maxd]

I guess that makes me the candy-coated hand grenade.

 

[silcnlayc]

maxd I guess that makes me the candy-coated hand grenade.
Today 11:04 AM
Casinomeister I'll opt for being the Teddy Bear.

Yep, yep...both got it right! Now...have a wonderful new year and we all expect the blankey to be fresh and clean and ready to face all the new challenges we are draming up and the teddy to be free of them ole moths..clear head means great decisions...and frisky as the new year turns...move on, move on...get with them chores....we are a mighty demanding group you know! No slacking now..ya hear! Clean and frsh and moth free.....ahhh the beauty of it..

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[racefanrob]

First Rob said no bonuses were involved, then he admits they were.

I wonder what else he is neglecting to mention.

I have to admit that Rob seems to have an incredibly intimate knowledge of the specifics of the players involved, almost as if he were a member of a .....club or something ....

Why were you thrown out of Lock Rob?

Someone said it earlier - methinks he protesteth too much.

IMO Max isn't the only one here who knows exactly what happened, it's just that he has no reason to be economical with the truth.

Here is what that whole post that mavin made was about, Nifty.

Take a snapshot of this post of yours.......BOOM! there it is in a nutshell.

You just couldn't stand not to interject some nonsense. You have absolutely no idea of what your talking about and you have no facts. Not more than anybody, yet you are sitting on the sidelines basically screaming "GUILTY" just like some crazy old maid at the Salem Witch trials.
In doing so you are undermining your peers. In this case my friends. Do you not see how irritating that is? Do you not see why so many would have a distaste for you after you try and throw someone under the bus with no first hand knowledge other than "Bryan and Max says so so I says so too"?
If you have a legit comment or question that is cool. I know you have good ideas sometimes. This isn't one of those times. All you do is further muddy the waters and you aren't even posting your facts correctly. I know you really admire Max and Bryan. Thats great little buddy. Just admire them and try to get in good with them without actually throwing your peers under the bus, mmmmk?

Now if this statement I have made is flaming and gets me in some sort of banishment then it further proves Mavin's point of the irritant staying put and causing more problems while the people who react to the irritant get admonished.

This isn't flaming. It is pointing something out to Nifty so that he better understands where MANY on the forum are coming from in regards to him. I'm not mean about it at all. Just pointing out the facts.

 

[racefanrob]

The problem seems to be that it looks like a fraud was IMPOSSIBLE to commit in the first place, since no bonuses were involved.

My point exactly. It is also IMPOSSIBLE since they never even played at the same time. They are 2 totally different people living in different homes in different towns. They are able and willing to prove it if anybody would take the time to really look into it. They will go on webcam with their ids in their hands if need be to get any type of assistance in this matter.
No fraud possible. The casino seems to agree since they approved all documents and even have paid gablock at one time in the past.

These is also the possibility that the funds used in the deposits were "dodgy", and present the risk that the casino will be subjected to a "chargeback" at some later stage when the banking and processing parties figure out what has been going on.

Not the case. Not possible again. They used ewalletexpress which both claim to have funded with direct bank wires from their personal bank accounts. So this is also not possible.

Further, are these players REALLY losing this deposited money, or is this merely the proceeds of earlier success.

No again. Hurdle deposited almost $2200 in the week that he played at this group and had never cashed out before this fiasco.
Gablock deposited $5850 at the group and had one cashout paid for $1358 (no bonus used).

We expect that the evidence is going to be OVERWHELMING against the player, with no room for "reasonable doubt" that they were all colluding to pull off some kind of collective scam.

One would expect this to be the case with the way they are being treated. That is not the case sadly. The only evidence is that they know each other and play with a similar style. They both swear to have never played at the other's home or on the other's computer so all the IP address and crap like that are sure to prove them correct once again.

5 players knowing each other to this level of intimacy does seem rather odd, and does suggest they are acting together. If they didn't take bonuses, they did so for a REASON, and perhaps this reason was that the lack of bonuses made the "scam" EASIER to work in some way.

Don't get confused. That is what Bryan eluded to in an earlier post when he eluded that these players may have been kicked out of other casinos for the same thing. It's totally and laughably FALSE once again.
The problem with that statement is that these players have never been kicked out of any casino. EVER. Not only do they claim that they have not but they are willing to prove it by giving complete transaction history of their ewallets to show which casinos they play at and all usernames to every casino they are members at.

The other question is the definition of "fraud". Some casinos seem to define "advantage play" as "fraud". This is NOT the case, and leads to suspicions in other cases that when casinos cry "fraud", they really mean "advantage play" rather than actual "fraud".

True that. What I really believe is that Bryan and Max have "proof" of what they are already admitting. That they know each other and employ the same style of play at the casino. The problem is that this is NOT fraud. They both use their own money on their own account and aren't even complaining about bonuses. They both have cashouts being stolen that include NO BONUS. As Max stated, that isn't the issue. Then what is the fraud, right? They are verifiable seperate players, with no bonuses and losing history (until recent cashouts) at the casino. Now the casinos want to keep all of their winnings AND keep all of their deposits.

I know we all want to think that the right thing will be done here. That is why I keep posting on their behalf. We want to just take people's word for it but our LOGIC will not allow for this to happen in this case.

Some Rival casinos were crying "fraud" when it turned out it was nothing more than "advantage play" that was going on, with players taking the best bonuses, and taking the terms to their limits without actually breaking them.

Can we have an assurance from Max that this was NOT merely "advantage play", but outright FRAUD perpetrated by this group of players.

There was no advantage play as both have cashouts without bonuses.

So the alleged infraction here is.........."Fraud"? Well, these 2 fellows are willing to prove in any way possible that they are not fraud. That they are real (the casino already knows it cuz the documents were all approved, but they will send more or even go on live cam with someone if that would get them some help).





I don't want to double post again so I will add this here:

I think this is probably going nowhere as it seems the intent of those that COULD help is to just bury this and NOT help.
So, Just unban them and let them speak for themselves. I am tired of posting so often and I am even more tired of having people put in little digs (nifty) that I am somehow part of this crazy conspiracy to defraud the poor little casino and am in cahoots with others that somehow do this magic trick also. Heck, I don't even play at these casinos. So LOL@ anyone who thinks or posts such things. Its BULL and I don't appreciate it. Theres no stinking fraud and theres no stinking conspiracy. Period.

 

[Webzcas]

This isn't flaming. It is pointing something out to Nifty so that he better understands where MANY on the forum are coming from in regards to him. I'm not mean about it at all. Just pointing out the facts.

Really? I beg to differ and here is why:

Not more than anybody, yet you are sitting on the sidelines basically screaming "GUILTY" just like some crazy old maid at the Salem Witch trials.

Thats great little buddy. Just admire them and try to get in good with them without actually throwing your peers under the bus, mmmmk?

Both comments I have quoted above are IMO made to provoke a reaction and in other words are flaming. Otherwise why would you go out of your way to insult a fellow poster and then patronise them? There are so many other ways to get your point across, without resorting to these tactics.

Please knock it off. In the meantime, I am locking this thread. Max or Bryan will open it back up when they come by this morning.

 

[racefanrob]

Now that this thread has been unlocked, it really needs looked into.

This is just preposterous.

Look at the facts in a nutshell:

No bonus complaints. Both have cashouts without bonus usage.

No identity fraud. Both have submitted all documents and had them approved and spoken to the casino via phone also.

NO chargebacks or scam like that of any sort. I have seen the ewalletxpress logs and they have funded them via their own bank wire.

Losing players depositing heavily and playing often. finally they get a cashout (non bonus cashout!) and they are labeled as "fraud".

It is impossible for them to defraud this casino if they are not stealing bonuses or using false Id's or doing chargebacks or any nonsense.

There is no plausible definition for "fraud" for these men. Do they know each other? Yes. Do they play table games? Yes. Did they somehow use each other's bets or accounts to in any way gain an advantage on the casino? HELL NO.

So this "proof" that the casino is stating it has is that they both live in the same part of the world and play the same style of gambling... wow. The problem is that is NOT fraud. Fraud is lying about who you are or what you are doing. They joined, played and used their own money to gamble with.

The fact that they are banned from the forum and are not being given an honest investigation into this is sickening to me. I know that nobody here gets paid for it but dang.... c'mon player advocates! Help these guys! You have the contacts and knowledge. You don't have anything that says "fraud" on them. It is IMPOSSIBLE. it is crazy to suggest that we believe otherwise when nobody can think of how it could be possible.

Mainstreet is stealing from them and others. This cannot be allowed to just happen. Can it?

 

[maxd]

I believe we've been here before, have we not? Your information on the case isn't nearly as good as you think it is. Your conclusions are ill-informed and well off the mark. Somehow I think you know that.

 

[racefanrob]

I believe we've been here before, have we not? Your information on the case isn't nearly as good as you think it is. Your conclusions are ill-informed and well off the mark. Somehow I think you know that.

Some how I am sure you don't have any clue what it is your talking about here. Take a few minutes and really read this thread and really look into it. You obviously are being fed a bag lunched lie by the casino.

what does the bolded comment really mean, Max? You always say little smarmy, effeminate, smug hints at things but you never come out and say it. So if you have something that you think that you know then type it here. if not then stop making insinuations. It is insulting and just plain wrong. You are casting a net of some guilt on my end. I have nothing to do with this other than sticking up for my friends that you have banned and silenced, changed the name of the thread errantly and locked and buried the issue.

You should man up and admit that there is no way for these players to FRAUD the casino. There just isn't. So go ahead and lock this thread like you do many that are against accredited casinos. Try to bury this issue also. Try to act like you are above looking into it really. Ban me since I keep bringing it to light.

How about YOUR "info" is ill-informed buddy? How about you might not be getting the correct info? How about you logically think for a moment as to how it could be possible to defraud the casino while playing as my friends do? How about you get some proof of fruadulent actions? You don't. I gaurantee you have nothing more than they know each other and play like each other. Almost like they are friends or something..
Cuz if you are saying that these men committed FRAUD in any manner then you are either a liar or being misinformed. Good job on banning them and silencing them though. That added a ton to the dialogue here.
There isn't one person here who can imagine how the hell fraud could take place if there is no bonus and they are not playing together and they are on single player games. You couldn't in you wildest imagination dream up of something unless there was software glitch that they somehow exploited. No chargebacks either. Your constant "guilty" attitude towards them and now somehow ME, even though I don't even play at these casinos is sickening.



This is my last post on the matter. Clearly you have no intention of looking into this with realistic vision, nor do you in any way have the ability to show otherwise. The casino locked accounts and stole money. For what they say is fraud. It is impossible to have fraud in this situation and you are watching this group on your accredited list steal from honest players.

phooey on it all then. There are some great people on this forum. I cannot frequent it any longer,becuase of the false premise of this process and I certainly won't put up with being vaguely insulted or accused by a mod in a chat room as I am trying to help my friends who he banned and in no way is trying to help.

 

[Casinomeister]

what does the bolded comment really mean, Max? You always say little smarmy, effeminate, smug hints at things but you never come out and say it. So if you have something that you think that you know then type it here. if not then stop making insinuations. It is insulting and just plain wrong. You are casting a net of some guilt on my end. I have nothing to do with this other than sticking up for my friends that you have banned and silenced, changed the name of the thread errantly and locked and buried the issue.

You should man up and admit that there is no way for these players to FRAUD the casino. There just isn't. So go ahead and lock this thread like you do many that are against accredited casinos. Try to bury this issue also. Try to act like you are above looking into it really. Ban me since I keep bringing it to light.

Okay - not a prob. Banned for being a douchebag.

This is exactly one of the reasons this thread was closed earlier by Webzcas; some members lack self discipline and allow their emotions to override their obligation to remain courteous and respectful. But I'll leave it open since we've banned racefanrob's account for flaming and disrespecting the moderators.

This is an ongoing PAB, and Max and I are still diligently looking into this situation of a group of fraudsters that have been caught out by the Main Street group and Lock casino. We're still comparing notes and when we're finished, those associated forum accounts will be closed. But only when we are 110% sure will they be closed.

I appreciate the patience members have had about this. From what I have seen from the casino is that there is a definite fraud ring at work here. We know much more than what racefanrob thinks we know. That's a fact, Jack

 

[ksech]

I'm not sure what Max will say but I can tell you that YES these players say that they have used bonuses at these casinos at various times but certainly not all the time. YES they claimed the signup bonuses at all 4 casinos. Hurdle won on 1 of these sign up bonuses, gablock didn't win on any of them.

but

NO, they did not use bonuses to win except for one of the 3 cashouts that are being stolen. Hurdle has one cashout with a bonus at one casino from Nov. 6th and one without a bonus at a different casino on Nov. 8th. Gablock has only one cashout and that does NOT involve a bonus either and is from Oct 31st which is prior to hurdle ever playing at the casinos.
Back on Nov. 3rd Slots Plus paid gablock on a win that had NO bonus used at all. This payment was on a cashout from Oct. 23rd.

NO, they did not use bonuses at the same time nor were they even members at the same time. Gablock cashed out on Oct. 31. Hurdle didn't even join the casino until Nov. 6th. gablock joined in mid September.


*Gablock deposited $2500 in total on Oct 31st before cashing out.(no bonus)

*Hurdle deposited $700 on Nov. 6th at the group. (some with/some without bonuses) His win did have a bonus used.
*Hurdle deposited another $1250 in total on Nov. 8th. (No bonus)

Hope that helps.

Okay, now I'm really confused...
racefanrob keeps making the statement that these guys NEVER used a bonus, but in this post he has stated 3 times they did use a bonus? So, they used a bonus but didn't really use a bonus???

Anyways, I for one trust what Bryan and maxd have been stating all along. We don't get to see the nitty-gritty, so we need to accept they are telling the truth. Obviously, many of a like mind as we stay here and continue to post.

 

[Nifty29]

Okay, now I'm really confused...
racefanrob keeps making the statement that these guys NEVER used a bonus, but in this post he has stated 3 times they did use a bonus? So, they used a bonus but didn't really use a bonus???

Anyways, I for one trust what Bryan and maxd have been stating all along. We don't get to see the nitty-gritty, so we need to accept they are telling the truth. Obviously, many of a like mind as we stay here and continue to post.

Well that's what happens when you lie and/or talk via orifices that were designed to serve other purposes.

Rob knew way more than just a workmate would. Wouldn't surprise me if he were involved somehow.

How long do you think it will be before he signs up under a different alias?