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I guess that makes me the candy-coated hand grenade.
Yep, yep...both got it right! Now...have a wonderful new year and we all expect the blankey to be fresh and clean and ready to face all the new challenges we are draming up and the teddy to be free of them ole moths..clear head means great decisions...and frisky as the new year turns...move on, move on...get with them chores....we are a mighty demanding group you know! No slacking now..ya hear! Clean and frsh and moth free.....ahhh the beauty of it..maxd I guess that makes me the candy-coated hand grenade.
Today 11:04 AM
Casinomeister I'll opt for being the Teddy Bear.
First Rob said no bonuses were involved, then he admits they were.
I wonder what else he is neglecting to mention.
I have to admit that Rob seems to have an incredibly intimate knowledge of the specifics of the players involved, almost as if he were a member of a .....club or something ....
Why were you thrown out of Lock Rob?
Someone said it earlier - methinks he protesteth too much.
IMO Max isn't the only one here who knows exactly what happened, it's just that he has no reason to be economical with the truth.
The problem seems to be that it looks like a fraud was IMPOSSIBLE to commit in the first place, since no bonuses were involved.
These is also the possibility that the funds used in the deposits were "dodgy", and present the risk that the casino will be subjected to a "chargeback" at some later stage when the banking and processing parties figure out what has been going on.
Further, are these players REALLY losing this deposited money, or is this merely the proceeds of earlier success.
We expect that the evidence is going to be OVERWHELMING against the player, with no room for "reasonable doubt" that they were all colluding to pull off some kind of collective scam.
5 players knowing each other to this level of intimacy does seem rather odd, and does suggest they are acting together. If they didn't take bonuses, they did so for a REASON, and perhaps this reason was that the lack of bonuses made the "scam" EASIER to work in some way.
The other question is the definition of "fraud". Some casinos seem to define "advantage play" as "fraud". This is NOT the case, and leads to suspicions in other cases that when casinos cry "fraud", they really mean "advantage play" rather than actual "fraud".
Some Rival casinos were crying "fraud" when it turned out it was nothing more than "advantage play" that was going on, with players taking the best bonuses, and taking the terms to their limits without actually breaking them.
Can we have an assurance from Max that this was NOT merely "advantage play", but outright FRAUD perpetrated by this group of players.
This isn't flaming. It is pointing something out to Nifty so that he better understands where MANY on the forum are coming from in regards to him. I'm not mean about it at all. Just pointing out the facts.
Not more than anybody, yet you are sitting on the sidelines basically screaming "GUILTY" just like some crazy old maid at the Salem Witch trials.
Thats great little buddy. Just admire them and try to get in good with them without actually throwing your peers under the bus, mmmmk?
I believe we've been here before, have we not? Your information on the case isn't nearly as good as you think it is. Your conclusions are ill-informed and well off the mark. Somehow I think you know that.
Okay - not a prob. Banned for being a douchebag.racefanrob said:what does the bolded comment really mean, Max? You always say little smarmy, effeminate, smug hints at things but you never come out and say it. So if you have something that you think that you know then type it here. if not then stop making insinuations. It is insulting and just plain wrong. You are casting a net of some guilt on my end. I have nothing to do with this other than sticking up for my friends that you have banned and silenced, changed the name of the thread errantly and locked and buried the issue.
You should man up and admit that there is no way for these players to FRAUD the casino. There just isn't. So go ahead and lock this thread like you do many that are against accredited casinos. Try to bury this issue also. Try to act like you are above looking into it really. Ban me since I keep bringing it to light.
I'm not sure what Max will say but I can tell you that YES these players say that they have used bonuses at these casinos at various times but certainly not all the time. YES they claimed the signup bonuses at all 4 casinos. Hurdle won on 1 of these sign up bonuses, gablock didn't win on any of them.
but
NO, they did not use bonuses to win except for one of the 3 cashouts that are being stolen. Hurdle has one cashout with a bonus at one casino from Nov. 6th and one without a bonus at a different casino on Nov. 8th. Gablock has only one cashout and that does NOT involve a bonus either and is from Oct 31st which is prior to hurdle ever playing at the casinos.
Back on Nov. 3rd Slots Plus paid gablock on a win that had NO bonus used at all. This payment was on a cashout from Oct. 23rd.
NO, they did not use bonuses at the same time nor were they even members at the same time. Gablock cashed out on Oct. 31. Hurdle didn't even join the casino until Nov. 6th. gablock joined in mid September.
*Gablock deposited $2500 in total on Oct 31st before cashing out.(no bonus)
*Hurdle deposited $700 on Nov. 6th at the group. (some with/some without bonuses) His win did have a bonus used.
*Hurdle deposited another $1250 in total on Nov. 8th. (No bonus)
Hope that helps.
Okay, now I'm really confused...
racefanrob keeps making the statement that these guys NEVER used a bonus, but in this post he has stated 3 times they did use a bonus? So, they used a bonus but didn't really use a bonus???
Anyways, I for one trust what Bryan and maxd have been stating all along. We don't get to see the nitty-gritty, so we need to accept they are telling the truth. Obviously, many of a like mind as we stay here and continue to post.