How many people here truly believe slots to be random?

[trancemonkey]

They each have their own "Central Nervous Sytem" though......Do they not ?

Very easy to keep it "In House" like many large and small organisations do.

"Sign this please"

Their own what?!

 

[nojoke]

Their own what?!

"Central Nerve System"

Database, Programming, Servers etc.

 

[rena35]

I don't know anything about technology but i am an avid reader. I have read where some casinos have been caught cheating players from rigged slots. Don't ask me which casinos, i do not remember. My question or comment would be as a novice is, if one can do it why can't other software be manipulated?

 

[trancemonkey]

"Central Nerve System"

Database, Programming, Servers etc.

Each games provider has its own. The casino has its own. They integrate. One provider doesn't talk to another....

 

[deadoralive23]

It can and has, and with the amount of profit they make from us they can afford to throw out free bonuses from time to time.
Just sickens me when you get messages from big sites like ladbrokes telling you there's a bonus in your account only for you to find £1.

 

[nojoke]

Each games provider has its own. The casino has its own. They integrate. One provider doesn't talk to another....

And that just backs up my point.

Thank you.

 

[Dinahnana]

Random ?


I think the only "Random" thing is wether your account has been deemed worthy of a win for a change.
Very easy for "The Central Nerve System" to check how badly your account has been treated over a given amount of time and money deposited.
Your account is then compensated for the losses with wins that will always leave you losing in the long run.

Ever noticed how when the "Winning" is happening it happens on every game you open ?
How can that be ?

When you lose, Every game you open, You lose on.
How can that be ?

The casino/provider only has to return 96% or whatever it is to the customer, So why would they give the customer any more ?
Would they not just "Compensate" and then call it "Random". I reckon so.

Tin foil, I eat it it for breakfast!

If this was true then I know several casinos that owe me I think slots are random but not like they were a few years ago. The instances of wins x1000 or more are definitely rarer in my opinion. Slots today have just the drip effect, pay you €20 take away €17 and so on and so forth until you are broke. It is harder to get ahead today.

 

[quber]

I give up... You guys have beaten me...
I'm gonna go and make some random slots and leave you with the notion we rig everything as nothing I can say will change your mind.

From now on in threads like this I'm gonna try and just observe...

I stayed out of this thread and just observed, the other one answered all this anyway. People that think they are rigged will never believe otherwise and it is just going round in circles.


For everyone that thinks slots are rigged because they have to achieve a certain RTP do you also think a normal Roulette wheel is rigged? Because that has an RTP of 97.3% even though it is a physical object that someone throws a ball into.

 

[rena35]

It can and has, and with the amount of profit they make from us they can afford to throw out free bonuses from time to time.
Just sickens me when you get messages from big sites like ladbrokes telling you there's a bonus in your account only for you to find £1.

That is very bad and it keeps going until they are caught doing it which is worse.

 

[nojoke]

I stayed out of this thread and just observed, the other one answered all this anyway. People that think they are rigged will never believe otherwise and it is just going round in circles.


For everyone that thinks slots are rigged because they have to achieve a certain RTP do you also think a normal Roulette wheel is rigged? Because that has an RTP of 97.3% even though it is a physical object that someone throws a ball into.

Exactly.. Its not "Software" is it ?

We have all seen dodgy "Software" Roulette game play or videos. Is "Software" Roulette trustworthy ? Not to many.

 

[slotter999]

After playing slots for many years I 100% believe there is no way they are random!

Suppose I said to you I was prepared to show you absolutely anything related to a particular slot machine to help prove whether or not it was random. Literally anything.

What evidence would you ask to see to either prove or disprove whether or not a slot machine is random? Very curious to hear your thoughts on that.

 

[deadoralive23]

Suppose I said to you I was prepared to show you absolutely anything related to a particular slot machine to help prove whether or not it was random. Literally anything.

What evidence would you ask to see to either prove or disprove whether or not a slot machine is random? Very curious to hear your thoughts on that.

I would like to see statistics of the last 1000 users to play the slot.

 

[Jono777]

I would like to see statistics of the last 1000 users to play the slot.

No problem - 960 of them are "server bots" though ok ??

They day we get proper stats etc (genuine not fabricated) is the same day there will be a fields of headless horse here, there and everywhere.

Tinfoilitis is incurable and is now heading for pandemic status. Sadly gamblers will never be convinced, myself included.

 

[trancemonkey]

And that just backs up my point.

Thank you.

All it backs up is that the casinos have a system that talks to the game providers... I'm not sure how else you think casinos could possibly work or exactly what point it proves other than that...

 

[trancemonkey]

Suppose I said to you I was prepared to show you absolutely anything related to a particular slot machine to help prove whether or not it was random. Literally anything.

What evidence would you ask to see to either prove or disprove whether or not a slot machine is random? Very curious to hear your thoughts on that.

I would like to see statistics of the last 1000 users to play the slot.

Exactly... How would you be sure that the users we show you are real users? Even I showed you real code you could argue I've changed it to keep things from you...

The fact is there is no way you would ever believe me / us is there?

 

[lockinlove]

I give up... You guys have beaten me...
I'm gonna go and make some random slots and leave you with the notion we rig everything as nothing I can say will change your mind.

From now on in threads like this I'm gonna try and just observe...

The thing with me is, I am a very heavy player. For the past year and a half its been me playing almost every day for 4-6 hours. My games that I play almost every day or bdba, bonanza, cazino zeppelin, immortal romance, book of dead, dragon born, queen of riches, Avalon II, Term II, fish Party, lucky leprechaun. jurassic park, finer reels of life and buffalo blitz

When I could play netent it was

DOA, secret of the stones and space wars.

All of the games High volatility and some super high.

So sometimes they suck bad and sometimes they pay and the odd time pay really good. But all of them feel normal for the most part.

As an incredibly heavy traffic player 3 games have changed since I started slotting. Bonanza, vikings go berserk and thunderstruck II. Two of those fairly new but I have done close to 500,000 spins now on VGB and 330,000 spins on bonanza.

Im tired of people saying its a small sample size because other people like to try and sell it. Sorry thats a massive sample size. Huge.

When you have people who play slots all the time, those are people I trust the most. Their feedback is what I take seriously and choose whether its sour grapes or legit.

Now to the new slots of MG. They are complete bullshit. No need to repeat myself. I am convinced they arent right. And same with alot of these new slots coming out.

And just so everyone knows and anyone who read my posts, they know I am not a loser in slots. Last year I was up like $30,000. This year im up a few thousand. So I have no reason to be pissed off or sour.

I stick to the old games. The new ones coming out are a complete joke....for the most part. And whatever, its not a big deal to me because I dont play them very much because they are all shit and seem like a cash grab for the casino or something lol

 

[dionysus]

Exactly... How would you be sure that the users we show you are real users? Even I showed you real code you could argue I've changed it to keep things from you...

The fact is there is no way you would ever believe me / us is there?

lol, probably not, so I shouldnt bother trying to convince anyone.
Personally, I dont see how youve anything to gain seeing as you dont promote any particular casino or software, youve stated numeral times you can only speak to the places youve worked and how in all liklihood is applies across the board, and I don't think there's a secret cabal somewhere funding you to say this for the sheer joy of them rubbing their hands together going mwa ha ha ha, another believer, nya ah ah.

If someone is disinclined to believe you, so be it, if they have an unflailing conviction, so be it.
For me, I'm glad youve addressed so many Qs and given us an inside perspective and your experience.

 

[slotter999]

No problem - 960 of them are "server bots" though ok ??

They day we get proper stats etc (genuine not fabricated) is the same day there will be a fields of headless horse here, there and everywhere.

Tinfoilitis is incurable and is now heading for pandemic status. Sadly gamblers will never be convinced, myself included.

It was a genuine question and not meant in a humourous way.

Suppose netent gave you access to every spin on egg-o-matic they processed for the last two years. What would you do with that data and how could you use that to prove / disprove your assertion that the game changed?

 

[slotter999]

The thing with me is, I am a very heavy player. For the past year and a half its been me playing almost every day for 4-6 hours. My games that I play almost every day or bdba, bonanza, cazino zeppelin, immortal romance, book of dead, dragon born, queen of riches, Avalon II, Term II, fish Party, lucky leprechaun. jurassic park, finer reels of life and buffalo blitz

When I could play netent it was

DOA, secret of the stones and space wars.

All of the games High volatility and some super high.

So sometimes they suck bad and sometimes they pay and the odd time pay really good. But all of them feel normal for the most part.

As an incredibly heavy traffic player 3 games have changed since I started slotting. Bonanza, vikings go berserk and thunderstruck II. Two of those fairly new but I have done close to 500,000 spins now on VGB and 330,000 spins on bonanza.

Im tired of people saying its a small sample size because other people like to try and sell it. Sorry thats a massive sample size. Huge.

When you have people who play slots all the time, those are people I trust the most. Their feedback is what I take seriously and choose whether its sour grapes or legit.

Now to the new slots of MG. They are complete bullshit. No need to repeat myself. I am convinced they arent right. And same with alot of these new slots coming out.

And just so everyone knows and anyone who read my posts, they know I am not a loser in slots. Last year I was up like $30,000. This year im up a few thousand. So I have no reason to be pissed off or sour.

I stick to the old games. The new ones coming out are a complete joke....for the most part. And whatever, its not a big deal to me because I dont play them very much because they are all shit and seem like a cash grab for the casino or something lol

How many spins do you think you've completed in 2017 and at what average stake?

 

[lockinlove]

How many spins do you think you've completed in 2017 and at what average stake?

I have done 800,000 spins on just two games. But those are my most played by far.

I would say I have done 1.5 million-2 million spins so far.

Average stake is $1

 

[trancemonkey]

lol, probably not, so I shouldnt bother trying to convince anyone.
Personally, I dont see how youve anything to gain seeing as you dont promote any particular casino or software, youve stated numeral times you can only speak to the places youve worked and how in all liklihood is applies across the board, and I don't think there's a secret cabal somewhere funding you to say this for the sheer joy of them rubbing their hands together going mwa ha ha ha, another believer, nya ah ah.

If someone is disinclined to believe you, so be it, if they have an unflailing conviction, so be it.
For me, I'm glad youve addressed so many Qs and given us an inside perspective and your experience.

Thanks mate.. Ive not always managed to remain calm and probably come across belittling or condescending some times... That wasn't my intention...

I have nothing whatsoever to gain my lying and I honestly hope I get to meet some of you guys at a CM meet up in future... Maybe I can prepare some real life examples...

For example I could code a simple game, show you the code, and then run the game in front of people and record the peeks and troughs, hot and cold periods. Then people could finally hopefully see how random games can do all the things they think they can't

Until such times I will try and step back from these type of conversations...

 

[trancemonkey]

lol, probably not, so I shouldnt bother trying to convince anyone.
Personally, I dont see how youve anything to gain seeing as you dont promote any particular casino or software, youve stated numeral times you can only speak to the places youve worked and how in all liklihood is applies across the board, and I don't think there's a secret cabal somewhere funding you to say this for the sheer joy of them rubbing their hands together going mwa ha ha ha, another believer, nya ah ah.

If someone is disinclined to believe you, so be it, if they have an unflailing conviction, so be it.
For me, I'm glad youve addressed so many Qs and given us an inside perspective and your experience.

I have done 800,000 spins on just two games. But those are my most played by far.

I would say I have done 1.5 million-2 million spins so far.

Average stake is $1

If you're not fast-stopping the reels, then most games run at around 600 games an hour.

That's 2, 500 hours if you've played 1.5m games. That's 104.6667 solid days play. If you assume that you sleep for 8 hours a day then that's 156.25 days solid play. And you've done that all in 2017?!

 

[lockinlove]

If you're not fast-stopping the reels, then most games run at around 600 games an hour.

That's 2, 500 hours if you've played 1.5m games. That's 104.6667 solid days play. If you assume that you sleep for 8 hours a day then that's 156.25 days solid play. And you've done that all in 2017?!

Its probably more since I multi slot and MG games I quick spin. Id say closer to the 2 million spins

 

[trancemonkey]

Its probably more since I multi slot and MG games I quick spin. Id say closer to the 2 million spins

Jeez do you literally play slots your entire waking time?!

 

[lockinlove]

Jeez do you literally play slots your entire waking time?! ������

lol first thing I do in the morning is put bonanza and vikings go berserk on auto.

Im also including battles into this so sometimes for a abit I will be playing bonanza, VGB, Immortal Romance and Game of thrones and a battle. I will 5 tabs open. But if gemix or wild north is the battle i will skip them or stop playing multi slots cause those games slow down the other game.

I used to be baffled that people played 2 slots at once. Now I find playing just on at a time incredibly boring.

 

[trancemonkey]

lol first thing I do in the morning is put bonanza and vikings go berserk on auto.

You must have way too much money... Hahaha

 

[nojoke]

Jeez do you literally play slots your entire waking time?!

They are quite addictive. I think they may even be made to be addictive

And if you have the money. Then what are you going to do ?

 

[lockinlove]

You must have way too much money... Hahaha

VGB is almost all strictly play money dont forget. And im including battles.

Alot of times on MG casinos I have a big bonus with wagering. Say deposit $500 get $500 bonus. And i will play .90. Every day differs.

A tyical day for me is put bonanza and VGB on auto. Quick spin an MG slot and bounce around doing that. Play some battles. etc.

And get work done. I just flip back and forth tabs and see if I hit a bonus.

I miss alot of things. Most base game hits I miss.

 

[Jono777]

They are quite addictive. I think they may even be made to be addictive

And if you have the money. Then what are you going to do ?

There is so much more to life than slots....If I was "well off" I'd step away from gambling altogether, no need lol!

Then again it has taken me 14 years to start to get bored

Maybe easier said than done as I've thought about a "new hobby" numerous times but theres only so much you can do with a PC and 20 smokes and a Skrill account

 

[nojoke]

There is so much more to life than slots....If I was "well off" I'd step away from gambling altogether, no need lol!

Then again it has taken me 14 years to start to get bored

Maybe easier said than done as I've thought about a "new hobby" numerous times but theres only so much you can do with a PC and 20 smokes and a Skrill account

This industry preys on the bored, The ill, The bed ridden, The infirm sitting indoors all day, Children, Those that can not sleep, Those on prescription drugs, Recreational drugs or booze that make them not care how much they gamble.....Its not just the "10 mins or hr of boredom" types that fill the coffers.

Slots are pretty much a huge part of if not all of some peoples lives.

They aint never gonna give up unless they take a very hard rehab. The industry knows this, They are not daft.. Just ruthless.

 

[trancemonkey]

This industry preys on the bored, The ill, The bed ridden, The infirm sitting indoors all day, Children, Those that can not sleep, Those on prescription drugs, Recreational drugs or booze that make them not care how much they gamble.....Its not just the "10 mins or hr of boredom" types that fill the coffers.

Slots are pretty much a huge part of if not all of some peoples lives.

They aint never gonna give up unless they take a very hard rehab. The industry knows this, They are not daft.. Just ruthless.

Every industry that wants people to spend money is the same... not just gambling.

The food industry (for example) - bright packaging, adverts, special offers, competitions.

We don't ruin people's lives by forcing them to gamble too much - everyone is responsible for their own actions. End of.

To say we prey on "the bored, the ill, the bed ridden, the infirm..." is just nonsense. Do you have any proof of how, for example, we prey on the bed ridden?

 

[nojoke]

Every industry that wants people to spend money is the same... not just gambling.

The food industry (for example) - bright packaging, adverts, special offers, competitions.

We don't ruin people's lives by forcing them to gamble too much - everyone is responsible for their own actions. End of.

To say we prey on "the bored, the ill, the bed ridden, the infirm..." is just nonsense. Do you have any proof of how, for example, we prey on the bed ridden?

You are right.
Every industry preys on its customers.

Your industry does it with Spam, Fake offers, Lies, Flase Advertising etc..

 

[trancemonkey]

They are quite addictive. I think they may even be made to be addictive

And if you have the money. Then what are you going to do ?

You are right.
Every industry preys on its customers.

Your industry does it with Spam, Fake offers, Lies, Flase Advertising etc..

Well, I don't consider my industry as the casinos... Mine is the games providers. The casinos are our customer. We don't control what they do... And BTW I agree that there are a lot of casinos out there that do some dodgy stuff... Most are in the rogues sectiom thank god

 

[Jono777]

This industry preys on the bored, The ill, The bed ridden, The infirm sitting indoors all day, Children, Those that can not sleep, Those on prescription drugs, Recreational drugs or booze that make them not care how much they gamble.....Its not just the "10 mins or hr of boredom" types that fill the coffers.

Slots are pretty much a huge part of if not all of some peoples lives.

They aint never gonna give up unless they take a very hard rehab. The industry knows this, They are not daft.. Just ruthless.

Unfortunately in any type of modern business these days you have to be (to a degree) to succeed at all.

There are ways of being ruthless whilst remaining ethical to a point.

One of my main pet hates,namely "selfish" is a common trait

 

[deadoralive23]

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This is random?

So the random fish feature on KOI princess gives you 3 options.

There are 4 possible outcomes, 5-hit, random wilds, wild reels and bonus.

Put 4 different coloured balls in a bag and choose a ball, if you can pick the same coloured ball 12 or 13 times in a row (the amount of times he gets the 5-hit bonus in a row) then we can agree slots are random.

PS. the video is quite funny.

Edit: ok he gets a coin win inbetween but still rigged!

 

[slotter999]

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This is random?

So the random fish feature on KOI princess gives you 3 options.

There are 4 possible outcomes, 5-hit, random wilds, wild reels and bonus.

Put 4 different coloured balls in a bag and choose a ball, if you can pick the same coloured ball 12 or 13 times in a row (the amount of times he gets the 5-hit bonus in a row) then we can agree slots are random.

PS. the video is quite funny.

Edit: ok he gets a coin win inbetween but still rigged!

To use your coloured ball example - you would have an 1 in 4 chance to pick any particular colour.

But it's extremely unlikely this is the case on the slot machine Koi Princess. Most likely it's something like 25 balls for 5 hit bonus, 10 balls for random wilds, 7 balls for wild reels and 4 balls for bonus. Obviously in that scenario you're gonna end up with 5 hit bonus quite a bit more.

 

[trancemonkey]

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This is random?

So the random fish feature on KOI princess gives you 3 options.

There are 4 possible outcomes, 5-hit, random wilds, wild reels and bonus.

Put 4 different coloured balls in a bag and choose a ball, if you can pick the same coloured ball 12 or 13 times in a row (the amount of times he gets the 5-hit bonus in a row) then we can agree slots are random.

PS. the video is quite funny.

Edit: ok he gets a coin win inbetween but still rigged!

No in that case i would think it isn't... That is just the game offering you a pick where the result is already known... But that result was randomly determined by the game at the point you pressed start... It's just a way of making the outcome that was coming anyway more entertaining.

So for example the player presses start... The game passes a chance to give you one of the five features... (for example...)

880 - no feature
40 - coin win
20 - random wild
40 - 5-hit
15 - bonus
5 - wild reels

Once it's decided what to give you, the pick it just for entertainment purposes...

I don't know that 100% but I imagine its how they did it...

 

[TheAddict]

Had a nice win at lenny friday , 300 quid wl on doa. Finished wagering with 320, deposited tenner for a tenner bonus. 8 hours later, noticing the withdrawal pending and that i wont receive anything till tuesday... reversed the withdrawal and kept 20 to play and clicked withdrawal on the other 300.
Strangely, well.... conveniently, not many moments later after reversing and re-requesting a slightly smaller amount i get a kyc request. Strange in that it never happened 7 hours previously while waiting on it to be processed. I suppose it is dream timing as now i cant get any withdrawal cleared until that is approved, and while i doubt that was the reason the kyc appeared, despite a previously pending withdrawal of 7 hours, i can at least say the time frame was very suspicious considering it was pending 7 hours, and that i have a decent roll (32xdeposited amount) that id just shown i was willing to reverse, also my biggest attempt at a cashout there.

Well i'd attacked doa friday night maybe some 600 wagering on 9p bets. I remember not getting 5oak sherrif badges or gun holsters during that time.
Anyway, fast forward to saturday i get bored and do a few small reversals knowing that with the bank holiday i wont see it in my bank till tuesday even if the kyc was verified on the same day...
of course now the game goes crap .. im doing hours of stopstart spins and its useless.
So i set myself a challenge.... try and get 5oak sherrif badges or gun holsters, whichever comes first. Seeing as id not seen either at all the nighy before.
Well, that was a fkng mistake. after a decent hit the night before i spend 15 more hours , at least 5 of which are stopstart.. trying to defeat my challenge. Ive had 25 wl's and 4xfive scatter so i have had a fair bash at this game, and could not in all that time recall the high symbols dissapearing for ever more than perhaps an 80quid loss of bets until it did, but amazingly £260 @ 9p is now not enough to hit either of 2 highest 5oak symbols... it is only enough to hit prizes maximizing at 5oak hats in the base game. and a 7.20 bonus round though this whopper was not part of my challenge.

Safe to say it would probably take the other 60 quid at 9p spins that i have left from what was 320 on lenny 12 hours ago without completing my 50ak symbol challenge, cause despite never seeing it take even half that amount without showing said symbols while accumilating 25 wild lines and fou r 5x scatters, its gotta be bad luck as we know its 100% random, innit?

Bah, Bit of a rant, and while yes, im up atm from my deposit so shouldnt be to sour, but i have played only this game for 99% of my online gaming and never seen it so bad lol. Normally im good at cashing out most of a decent hit but that kyc was perfectly timed and i been home alone for 2 days with no money to go out lol .*sigh* well, may as well go nudge lenny into trying to get the kyc done for me before i do the bloomin rest of it for a few more sets of hats.

Apolagies as that was a bit long, which is suprising cause my thumb barely works from all the stop n start quick spins!
Id say if anything, at least i know to 1. Try and avoid bonuses on fridays, where you know you cannot withdraw it into your bank untill monday and it might end up being pending all weekend for a number of reasons including will power or a drunken mistake. and 2. Dont, under any freakin circumstance sit on doa with a big balance and think its a good idea to do quick spins. .

Think its time to quit while im ahead.. am well up on doa thanks to a few reloads but this takes the piss. 2 wins around 70-90x bet from features and not one win over £4 in the base game.. while losing 260quid at 9p... after a 300quid win.
Hmmmm...

 

[subsoil]

How many of you have hit let's say a 1000x + stake win on a slot and very shortly after another one on that very same slot.
Be sure, your personal RTP might be skyhigh after that first win and I believe there is no chance in hell that slot will "give" you another mega win.
It might happen but I would say the chances are 1 in a billion.

Too many people also get very cold streaks after a massive win, all a coincidence?

I agree with you that most of the time after a big win it feels like the slot turns dry as fuck.

But i have to say i had 2 big wins within few minutes on the same slot.
Last weekend, Dead or Alive. Within ~300 spins i had exactly 3 bonusrounds. The first one gave me the extraspins for 240x the stake. The second one gave my the extraspins with a wildline for 2700x. And the third one, after i doubled my betsize, gave me another wildline for 2400x. So yeah, it can happen. Of course i know that this is a "once in a lifetime" thing and i better quit playing DoA for the rest of the year. But it was pretty exciting. Who knows the odds of a back to back to back extraspins and a back to back wildline?

And, to be on Topic. I have to believe that slots are random. Or kind of random. Otherwise i would surely loose the entertainment of playing slots.

 

[deadoralive23]

Not sure whether this was luck or not but I was playing 40p spins on VIZ and after about 30 minutes I couldn't trigger any of the 3 available features.
I decided to refresh the game and within 2 minutes I triggered free spins.
I closed the game and started playing Book of Ra, again after around 20 minutes nothing then a refresh and a weak bonus triggered almost instantly, just wondering if anyone has tried this tactic and if it has paid dividends.
Also wondering if it's just me or does gonzos quest retrigger a feature almost instantly (old version).

 

[trancemonkey]

Not sure whether this was luck or not but I was playing 40p spins on VIZ and after about 30 minutes I couldn't trigger any of the 3 available features.
I decided to refresh the game and within 2 minutes I triggered free spins.
I closed the game and started playing Book of Ra, again after around 20 minutes nothing then a refresh and a weak bonus triggered almost instantly, just wondering if anyone has tried this tactic and if it has paid dividends.
Also wondering if it's just me or does gonzos quest retrigger a feature almost instantly (old version).

Well... Try refreshing it every 10 spins and see what happens...

 

[orion]

I believe slots are random.

I have been playing everyday since 2003 and I consequently did a few spins over the years

To go more in detail, I think that games developers are creating random games, but (expecially in the last 3/4 years), the same game developers are offering more "tools" to the single casinos, to fix things.
Example: same game offered with different TRTPs on different markets (Italy 75%/85%, UK 95%, Spain 90% and so on).

can I prove it ? Of course not, I am not an insider.

 

[trancemonkey]

I believe slots are random.

I have been playing everyday since 2003 and I consequently did a few spins over the years

To go more in detail, I think that games developers are creating random games, but (expecially in the last 3/4 years), the same game developers are offering more "tools" to the single casinos, to fix things.
Example: same game offered with different TRTPs on different markets (Italy 75%/85%, UK 95%, Spain 90% and so on).

can I prove it ? Of course not, I am not an insider.

Game developers do offer different maths models for different markets and different RTPs... This is completely normal...

 

[brianmon]

Game developers do offer different maths models for different markets and different RTPs... This is completely normal...

So if a casino is carrying a particular game at different RTP rates, for different markets.
Would it be possible for the casino to divert all traffic, for that particular game, to the version of the game with the lowest RTP?

Also, I'd still like to know how MGS get away with not publishing a game's RTP within the help files or paytable. Most providers have the RTP 'hardwired' to the game via the help file or paytable.

I'm interested to know because there is a certain casino platform, who's PlaynGo games are set at 94.x%, rather than the normal 96.x%, this can be seen from each game's help file.
But they also carry MGS games. So how are we to know that those games aren't also set to a lower RTP? since the figure isn't 'hardwired' to the games, as PnG's are.

 

[trancemonkey]

So if a casino is carrying a particular game at different RTP rates, for different markets.
Would it be possible for the casino to divert all traffic, for that particular game, to the version of the game with the lowest RTP?

Also, I'd still like to know how MGS get away with not publishing a game's RTP within the help files or paytable. Most providers have the RTP 'hardwired' to the game via the help file or paytable.

I'm interested to know because there is a certain casino platform, who's PlaynGo games are set at 94.x%, rather than the normal 96.x%, this can be seen from each game's help file.
But they also carry MGS games. So how are we to know that those games aren't also set to a lower RTP? since the figure isn't 'hardwired' to the games, as PnG's are.

As far as I know a casino (in the UK) could theoretically have a different RTP version for every player... Although there are usually only a few different RTPs available and I'm not aware of any reputable casinos doing this... However any game in a UK site must display the RTP in the help pages or the paytable...

 

[Kevin Stark]

Random can be mathematically calculated, so it is possible in slots. It remains only to hope for the honesty of the owners of online casinos.

 

[Igor82]

Random can be mathematically calculated

Say that again, but this time very slowly

 

[Chipkin9]

Game developers do offer different maths models for different markets and different RTPs... This is completely normal...

It shouldn't be though...as it is in no way fair whatsoever. I reckon Scandinavia are getting 1000% RTP then

May I have your opinion on how "Random" NotEnt Jackpots are, do you believe they are at all random?

The example I put forward here may seem absurd, but it is just to prove how lopsided NetEnt Jackpot distribution is.

"The population of all of the Nordic countries combined—Denmark (5,569,077), Finland (5,268,799), Iceland (317,351), Norway (5,147,792), and Sweden (9,723,809)"

That's a combined total population of 26 Million. Let's say half are gamblers who play NetEnt Jacpkot games only. That's 13 Million.

Now Let's just use Germany alone for this example. 81.41 million. Let's say a Quarter of them are gamblers who play NetEnt Jackpot games only. That's 20 Million.

So how come over 80% of Jackpots from NotEnt games are rewarded to Scandinavians?

With my "absurd" example, German players should be winning almost twice the amount of Jackpots as Scandinavian players. Riddle me it please

 

[brianmon]

Say that again, but this time very slowly

From Google:-

pseudorandom

(of a number, a sequence of numbers, or any digital data) satisfying one or more statistical tests for randomness but produced by a definite mathematical procedure.
"most computers have built-in functions which will generate sequences of pseudorandom numbers"

NetEnt use Pseudo RNG's, and probably all the other providers too

 

[trancemonkey]

It shouldn't be though...as it is in no way fair whatsoever. I reckon Scandinavia are getting 1000% RTP then

May I have your opinion on how "Random" NotEnt Jackpots are, do you believe they are at all random?

The example I put forward here may seem absurd, but it is just to prove how lopsided NetEnt Jackpot distribution is.

"The population of all of the Nordic countries combined—Denmark (5,569,077), Finland (5,268,799), Iceland (317,351), Norway (5,147,792), and Sweden (9,723,809)"

That's a combined total population of 26 Million. Let's say half are gamblers who play NetEnt Jacpkot games only. That's 13 Million.

Now Let's just use Germany alone for this example. 81.41 million. Let's say a Quarter of them are gamblers who play NetEnt Jackpot games only. That's 20 Million.

So how come over 80% of Jackpots from NotEnt games are rewarded to Scandinavians?

With my "absurd" example, German players should be winning almost twice the amount of Jackpots as Scandinavian players. Riddle me it please

Firstly... Of course it's fair AS LONG AS the players are told the RTP so they can choose to play the game or not. You don't think a machine in Vegas runs at the same TRTP as a Netent online slot...

Secondly... It's purely dependent on the number of spins... Netent casinos are mainly Scandinavian facing so it's obvious they would have the highest proportion of winners...