How many people here truly believe slots to be random?

[trancemonkey]

They each have their own "Central Nervous Sytem" though......Do they not ?

Very easy to keep it "In House" like many large and small organisations do.

"Sign this please"

Their own what?!

 

[nojoke]

Their own what?!

"Central Nerve System"

Database, Programming, Servers etc.

 

[rena35]

I don't know anything about technology but i am an avid reader. I have read where some casinos have been caught cheating players from rigged slots. Don't ask me which casinos, i do not remember. My question or comment would be as a novice is, if one can do it why can't other software be manipulated?

 

[trancemonkey]

"Central Nerve System"

Database, Programming, Servers etc.

Each games provider has its own. The casino has its own. They integrate. One provider doesn't talk to another....

 

[deadoralive23]

It can and has, and with the amount of profit they make from us they can afford to throw out free bonuses from time to time.
Just sickens me when you get messages from big sites like ladbrokes telling you there's a bonus in your account only for you to find £1.

 

[nojoke]

Each games provider has its own. The casino has its own. They integrate. One provider doesn't talk to another....

And that just backs up my point.

Thank you.

 

[Dinahnana]

Random ?


I think the only "Random" thing is wether your account has been deemed worthy of a win for a change.
Very easy for "The Central Nerve System" to check how badly your account has been treated over a given amount of time and money deposited.
Your account is then compensated for the losses with wins that will always leave you losing in the long run.

Ever noticed how when the "Winning" is happening it happens on every game you open ?
How can that be ?

When you lose, Every game you open, You lose on.
How can that be ?

The casino/provider only has to return 96% or whatever it is to the customer, So why would they give the customer any more ?
Would they not just "Compensate" and then call it "Random". I reckon so.

Tin foil, I eat it it for breakfast!

If this was true then I know several casinos that owe me I think slots are random but not like they were a few years ago. The instances of wins x1000 or more are definitely rarer in my opinion. Slots today have just the drip effect, pay you €20 take away €17 and so on and so forth until you are broke. It is harder to get ahead today.

 

[quber]

I give up... You guys have beaten me...
I'm gonna go and make some random slots and leave you with the notion we rig everything as nothing I can say will change your mind.

From now on in threads like this I'm gonna try and just observe...

I stayed out of this thread and just observed, the other one answered all this anyway. People that think they are rigged will never believe otherwise and it is just going round in circles.


For everyone that thinks slots are rigged because they have to achieve a certain RTP do you also think a normal Roulette wheel is rigged? Because that has an RTP of 97.3% even though it is a physical object that someone throws a ball into.

 

[rena35]

It can and has, and with the amount of profit they make from us they can afford to throw out free bonuses from time to time.
Just sickens me when you get messages from big sites like ladbrokes telling you there's a bonus in your account only for you to find £1.

That is very bad and it keeps going until they are caught doing it which is worse.

 

[nojoke]

I stayed out of this thread and just observed, the other one answered all this anyway. People that think they are rigged will never believe otherwise and it is just going round in circles.


For everyone that thinks slots are rigged because they have to achieve a certain RTP do you also think a normal Roulette wheel is rigged? Because that has an RTP of 97.3% even though it is a physical object that someone throws a ball into.

Exactly.. Its not "Software" is it ?

We have all seen dodgy "Software" Roulette game play or videos. Is "Software" Roulette trustworthy ? Not to many.

 

[slotter999]

After playing slots for many years I 100% believe there is no way they are random!

Suppose I said to you I was prepared to show you absolutely anything related to a particular slot machine to help prove whether or not it was random. Literally anything.

What evidence would you ask to see to either prove or disprove whether or not a slot machine is random? Very curious to hear your thoughts on that.

 

[deadoralive23]

Suppose I said to you I was prepared to show you absolutely anything related to a particular slot machine to help prove whether or not it was random. Literally anything.

What evidence would you ask to see to either prove or disprove whether or not a slot machine is random? Very curious to hear your thoughts on that.

I would like to see statistics of the last 1000 users to play the slot.

 

[Jono777]

I would like to see statistics of the last 1000 users to play the slot.

No problem - 960 of them are "server bots" though ok ??

They day we get proper stats etc (genuine not fabricated) is the same day there will be a fields of headless horse here, there and everywhere.

Tinfoilitis is incurable and is now heading for pandemic status. Sadly gamblers will never be convinced, myself included.

 

[trancemonkey]

And that just backs up my point.

Thank you.

All it backs up is that the casinos have a system that talks to the game providers... I'm not sure how else you think casinos could possibly work or exactly what point it proves other than that...

 

[trancemonkey]

Suppose I said to you I was prepared to show you absolutely anything related to a particular slot machine to help prove whether or not it was random. Literally anything.

What evidence would you ask to see to either prove or disprove whether or not a slot machine is random? Very curious to hear your thoughts on that.

I would like to see statistics of the last 1000 users to play the slot.

Exactly... How would you be sure that the users we show you are real users? Even I showed you real code you could argue I've changed it to keep things from you...

The fact is there is no way you would ever believe me / us is there?

 

[lockinlove]

I give up... You guys have beaten me...
I'm gonna go and make some random slots and leave you with the notion we rig everything as nothing I can say will change your mind.

From now on in threads like this I'm gonna try and just observe...

The thing with me is, I am a very heavy player. For the past year and a half its been me playing almost every day for 4-6 hours. My games that I play almost every day or bdba, bonanza, cazino zeppelin, immortal romance, book of dead, dragon born, queen of riches, Avalon II, Term II, fish Party, lucky leprechaun. jurassic park, finer reels of life and buffalo blitz

When I could play netent it was

DOA, secret of the stones and space wars.

All of the games High volatility and some super high.

So sometimes they suck bad and sometimes they pay and the odd time pay really good. But all of them feel normal for the most part.

As an incredibly heavy traffic player 3 games have changed since I started slotting. Bonanza, vikings go berserk and thunderstruck II. Two of those fairly new but I have done close to 500,000 spins now on VGB and 330,000 spins on bonanza.

Im tired of people saying its a small sample size because other people like to try and sell it. Sorry thats a massive sample size. Huge.

When you have people who play slots all the time, those are people I trust the most. Their feedback is what I take seriously and choose whether its sour grapes or legit.

Now to the new slots of MG. They are complete bullshit. No need to repeat myself. I am convinced they arent right. And same with alot of these new slots coming out.

And just so everyone knows and anyone who read my posts, they know I am not a loser in slots. Last year I was up like $30,000. This year im up a few thousand. So I have no reason to be pissed off or sour.

I stick to the old games. The new ones coming out are a complete joke....for the most part. And whatever, its not a big deal to me because I dont play them very much because they are all shit and seem like a cash grab for the casino or something lol

 

[dionysus]

Exactly... How would you be sure that the users we show you are real users? Even I showed you real code you could argue I've changed it to keep things from you...

The fact is there is no way you would ever believe me / us is there?

lol, probably not, so I shouldnt bother trying to convince anyone.
Personally, I dont see how youve anything to gain seeing as you dont promote any particular casino or software, youve stated numeral times you can only speak to the places youve worked and how in all liklihood is applies across the board, and I don't think there's a secret cabal somewhere funding you to say this for the sheer joy of them rubbing their hands together going mwa ha ha ha, another believer, nya ah ah.

If someone is disinclined to believe you, so be it, if they have an unflailing conviction, so be it.
For me, I'm glad youve addressed so many Qs and given us an inside perspective and your experience.

 

[slotter999]

No problem - 960 of them are "server bots" though ok ??

They day we get proper stats etc (genuine not fabricated) is the same day there will be a fields of headless horse here, there and everywhere.

Tinfoilitis is incurable and is now heading for pandemic status. Sadly gamblers will never be convinced, myself included.

It was a genuine question and not meant in a humourous way.

Suppose netent gave you access to every spin on egg-o-matic they processed for the last two years. What would you do with that data and how could you use that to prove / disprove your assertion that the game changed?

 

[slotter999]

The thing with me is, I am a very heavy player. For the past year and a half its been me playing almost every day for 4-6 hours. My games that I play almost every day or bdba, bonanza, cazino zeppelin, immortal romance, book of dead, dragon born, queen of riches, Avalon II, Term II, fish Party, lucky leprechaun. jurassic park, finer reels of life and buffalo blitz

When I could play netent it was

DOA, secret of the stones and space wars.

All of the games High volatility and some super high.

So sometimes they suck bad and sometimes they pay and the odd time pay really good. But all of them feel normal for the most part.

As an incredibly heavy traffic player 3 games have changed since I started slotting. Bonanza, vikings go berserk and thunderstruck II. Two of those fairly new but I have done close to 500,000 spins now on VGB and 330,000 spins on bonanza.

Im tired of people saying its a small sample size because other people like to try and sell it. Sorry thats a massive sample size. Huge.

When you have people who play slots all the time, those are people I trust the most. Their feedback is what I take seriously and choose whether its sour grapes or legit.

Now to the new slots of MG. They are complete bullshit. No need to repeat myself. I am convinced they arent right. And same with alot of these new slots coming out.

And just so everyone knows and anyone who read my posts, they know I am not a loser in slots. Last year I was up like $30,000. This year im up a few thousand. So I have no reason to be pissed off or sour.

I stick to the old games. The new ones coming out are a complete joke....for the most part. And whatever, its not a big deal to me because I dont play them very much because they are all shit and seem like a cash grab for the casino or something lol

How many spins do you think you've completed in 2017 and at what average stake?

 

[lockinlove]

How many spins do you think you've completed in 2017 and at what average stake?

I have done 800,000 spins on just two games. But those are my most played by far.

I would say I have done 1.5 million-2 million spins so far.

Average stake is $1

 

[trancemonkey]

lol, probably not, so I shouldnt bother trying to convince anyone.
Personally, I dont see how youve anything to gain seeing as you dont promote any particular casino or software, youve stated numeral times you can only speak to the places youve worked and how in all liklihood is applies across the board, and I don't think there's a secret cabal somewhere funding you to say this for the sheer joy of them rubbing their hands together going mwa ha ha ha, another believer, nya ah ah.

If someone is disinclined to believe you, so be it, if they have an unflailing conviction, so be it.
For me, I'm glad youve addressed so many Qs and given us an inside perspective and your experience.

Thanks mate.. Ive not always managed to remain calm and probably come across belittling or condescending some times... That wasn't my intention...

I have nothing whatsoever to gain my lying and I honestly hope I get to meet some of you guys at a CM meet up in future... Maybe I can prepare some real life examples...

For example I could code a simple game, show you the code, and then run the game in front of people and record the peeks and troughs, hot and cold periods. Then people could finally hopefully see how random games can do all the things they think they can't

Until such times I will try and step back from these type of conversations...

 

[trancemonkey]

lol, probably not, so I shouldnt bother trying to convince anyone.
Personally, I dont see how youve anything to gain seeing as you dont promote any particular casino or software, youve stated numeral times you can only speak to the places youve worked and how in all liklihood is applies across the board, and I don't think there's a secret cabal somewhere funding you to say this for the sheer joy of them rubbing their hands together going mwa ha ha ha, another believer, nya ah ah.

If someone is disinclined to believe you, so be it, if they have an unflailing conviction, so be it.
For me, I'm glad youve addressed so many Qs and given us an inside perspective and your experience.

I have done 800,000 spins on just two games. But those are my most played by far.

I would say I have done 1.5 million-2 million spins so far.

Average stake is $1

If you're not fast-stopping the reels, then most games run at around 600 games an hour.

That's 2, 500 hours if you've played 1.5m games. That's 104.6667 solid days play. If you assume that you sleep for 8 hours a day then that's 156.25 days solid play. And you've done that all in 2017?!

 

[lockinlove]

If you're not fast-stopping the reels, then most games run at around 600 games an hour.

That's 2, 500 hours if you've played 1.5m games. That's 104.6667 solid days play. If you assume that you sleep for 8 hours a day then that's 156.25 days solid play. And you've done that all in 2017?!

Its probably more since I multi slot and MG games I quick spin. Id say closer to the 2 million spins

 

[trancemonkey]

Its probably more since I multi slot and MG games I quick spin. Id say closer to the 2 million spins

Jeez do you literally play slots your entire waking time?!

 

[lockinlove]

Jeez do you literally play slots your entire waking time?! ������

lol first thing I do in the morning is put bonanza and vikings go berserk on auto.

Im also including battles into this so sometimes for a abit I will be playing bonanza, VGB, Immortal Romance and Game of thrones and a battle. I will 5 tabs open. But if gemix or wild north is the battle i will skip them or stop playing multi slots cause those games slow down the other game.

I used to be baffled that people played 2 slots at once. Now I find playing just on at a time incredibly boring.