It seems simple, but so is pre verification. Both would save considerable grief, but casinos say that pre verification doesn't work because one they have a bite, they can't afford to hold the process up in the slightest lest the player lose the urge and abort registration.
I have signed up at so many casinos where on completing registration the deposit form opens automatically pleading for my first deposit "right now". The web designers feel that if players waited for their welcome email (like I do), they will not come back to deposit.
If it became universal knowledge that filling in a "placeholder" instead of the required information would mean that there was a 100% chance of any winnings being confiscated, I expect most players would abort the process upon encountering such a form field, rather than contact CS asking for a "work around". Even for those that do contact CS, there is the problem of whether casinos will honour any "work around" authorised by CS.
This thread has revealed that many players have filled in "fake data" in forms that ask for "cell", and until now, they have not thought that doing so was in any way wrong. Quite a few visitors to this thread now know that this is a serious matter, and most likely they got away with it because the casino didn't seek to call the cell, so probably have no idea it's a dud.
These players now know that they had better fill in a valid number in all such fields.
Despite the common sense approach suggested, we have no evidence that even filling in a land line number for the "cell" field is something that will be accepted by the majority of casinos. We could find a future complaint where filling the "cell" field with a land line number is being used to confiscate winnings.
We have already encountered the odd "student" rule at CWC, and this has nothing to do with validating ID, nor even responsible gambling as they would have us believe (else they would seek to protect ALL low income groups). Their definition of "student" is wider than the accepted definition too, you don't actually have to be studying at a university or college to be classed as a "student", and even when you have graduated, you are STILL a student until you actually start work.
Players living in a single suburb of one Canadian city needn't worry about any of this, as out of the whole continent of North America, they are banned from playing just because they live in this small area.
As has been explained over and over, the FACT is that pre-verification is unworkable.
The FACTS are that:
1. At present, there is no reliable automatic process to verify players. Hence, the checks have to be done manually.
2. Manual checks take time especially where any doubt exists.
3. It can take up to 48 hrs for a finance team to review and approve documents, as there is a queue of withdrawal requests.
Currently, there would be a relatively small number (although probably still large taken in isolation) of players in the queue to be verified, because only those with first time withdrawal requests need processing. In other words, they are staggered and come through in a fairly predictable and manageable quantity.
Under your "simple solution", an operator will be immediately swamped with thousands of verifications all at once.....perhaps even tens of thousands if the casino is brand new. So, the inevitable result is a ridiculous wait for players between signup and account activation......and it's extremely likely that many players would just say "stuff it" and go play somewhere that lets them play right away.
Now we have an even bigger problem. The operators know that if they suddenly announced that all players need to send docs immediately before they can play again, or not allow new players to play for what could be a week or more due to the huge volume, players will just go elsewhere.......SO, no operator is going to implement it unless ALL their competitors do.....which is NEVER going to happen. So they all do, or none of them do.
Running checks at cashout time is the only WORKABLE method of verifying players.
At the end of the day, if you don't follow the rules then it's tough cookies. If I can enter my details correctly as I AGREED I would by accepting the terms, then so can everyone else. Why should one player be bound by the rules and not another?
I don't buy the "CWC are being unfair by not paying" argument. In fact, it would be UNFAIR if they did. IMO "fair" means everyone gets treated equally. Paying one player just because they happen to be a CM member and manage to drum up some misplaced pitchforking is the complete opposite of "fair" in my book.
Shaky didn't "lose" $300 either. It was never his to begin with, as his account was never valid under the terms.
The part I've found interesting is that I don't recall other complaints here at CM about players having winnings denied because they were "confused" about the signup form. The only conclusion that I can arrive at is that the form isn't an issue for anyone else, or there are heaps of players like shaky that just just say "oh well" and skip off into the sunset.
Bottom line is that the ONLY issue here is the entering of deliberately false information into a sign up form. The reason for doing so is irrelevant. If CWC accepted an excuse like shaky's each time a fraudster (not saying shaky is BTW) tries to pull one over them to take advantage of a free chip, then they would opening themselves up to massive risk.
IMO putting in a BS phone number is no different to putting in a BS address or DOB.....and the consequences should be equal.
So when you people not getting paid at the forums you come to the rescue? 
It was a fake #.
) have support phone numbers on their respective web pages and I would think they would be willing to assist.
