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I didn't put home number because it said cell number lol. How would I know that number would be used as my home number too?
If it said home number or contact number i woulda put home number. Honestly, I had no idea the cell being "funny" would be a problem
since any other place i played it was there but not required so I would enter just home number as contact.

Why did you put in a fake number to bypass the field, rather than your home number. Although both are not what was requested, bypassing the field with a valid phone number rather than a fake one would appear to be the better of two poor options.

Whilst we don't know for sure, it seems that had you done this, the casino would still have paid.


Is the form illustrated and then quoted by me identical to the form as it was when you signed up, or has it since been revised?
 
The problem is that the player is not permitted to see the whole form, so at the second stage, they cannot know whether or not the third stage caters for their home number. Casinos should NOT be expecting players to give their work phones, this is an absolute, and it's something that can even get you fired from your job.

Whilst the player could have put a valid number in the field, a confusing field descriptor on the form was the problem.

This player was screwed right from the start, they could NEVER have obeyed the term, as even entering "1 valid contact landline number" in the field would have been false information as it wasn't what was being asked for.

The initial accusation that the OP had "deliberately" given the same fake number for all three fields also turned out to be false. The root cause of the fuss is a poorly designed form on one of the group's casinos.

There is no term stating that players may only play if they own a cell phone.

The other problem is that no matter how well casinos swear our data is safe with them, it always seems to leak out eventually, and then it's a plague of unsolicited calls. The ONLY sure way to protect ourselves is to set our own rule that we will NEVER give out cell numbers to ANY casino, not even the award winners. I get calls from scammers all the time on my landline, so clearly my data has somehow leaked, even though I have only given my number to legitimate companies. My mobile (cell) has been almost completely free of scammers, marketing, etc. I do NOT give this number out to companies or casinos, I repeat the landline number in all such form fields. To me there is an obvious relationship between giving out a phone number to companies who promise to keep your data secure, and the rate at which the scammers manage to get hold of it.

What I want to hear (from the rep) is what should the OP have done, and how this course of action would have been obvious from the form itself.

Normally, I do NOT put a fake number in, I either leave it blank, or put the landline number in. The problem here is that the form does not have an option for this, such as a null field leading to a message such as "sorry, only those with a cell phone are permitted to play".

If the casino really believes that a cell phone is more secure than a land line, then maybe they can explain why a cell phone bill is not a valid "utility bill" for "security reasons", but a landline bill is fine.

Incidentally, I CAN receive SMS on my land line, there is a service run by BT that intercepts SMS directed to a landline and converts them to speech, which is then relayed to the subscriber as an automated call. More modern landlines are even SMS enabled, and do not need this text to speech service.

That is a good post Vinyl. The only thing I'd take issue with is the fact the form DOES have a 'back' button so if you had later come across 'home phone' you could then choose to go back and edit out the mobile no. IF the form only required one of them. Or vice-versa. The 3-stage form is no different to most I have filled in.
It's also worth pointing out that when, in your experience, have any casino sign-up forms NOT put both home/mobile in CONSECUTIVE boxes?
 
He gave his home phone to the support rep in a pm and she called him with two minutes. It was the same as the one on the FaxBack form.

The 1234567 number was given on the sign up form because the only number asked for was a cell. Even if he put his home number it still would have been transferred automatically to the home day, night and cell portions of his internal file.

Yes, but surely this would have been better than having a fake number transferred to all three fields. The casinos clearly has no problem with the cell number being entered in all three fields, they even gaffed the form to ensure it happens despite the player wanting to give the correct numbers in the correct fields.

The casinos argument is rather lame, in that in order to protect themselves from the few guilty ones, they must condemn the entire village. From the players' viewpoint, should we condemn this particular casino and group just because it uses RTG, and there are so many rogue RTG casinos that we should condemn the lot rather than try to weed out the few good ones from the rest of the RTG village.
 
This has been my point from day one.. THEIR FORM CAUSED THIS PROBLEM!!! HE should be PAID!!!!

Then to call him a fraudster or even add that to this thread is upsetting to me. He did what most of us would have done. I have entered 000000000 many times under a phone entry. Maybe they couldn't figure out that he was entering a fake number because he didn't use zeros/ Lets be real here CLUB WORLD made the mistake and is making a player look bad and taking his well deserved money.

As an affiliate I will be removing all CWG casinos and instead place a warning on my site. Which really pisses me off because now more work to be done.
 
This has been my point from day one.. THEIR FORM CAUSED THIS PROBLEM!!! HE should be PAID!!!!

Then to call him a fraudster or even add that to this thread is upsetting to me. He did what most of us would have done. I have entered 000000000 many times under a phone entry. Maybe they couldn't figure out that he was entering a fake number because he didn't use zeros/ Lets be real here CLUB WORLD made the mistake and is making a player look bad and taking his well deserved money.

As an affiliate I will be removing all CWG casinos and instead place a warning on my site. Which really pisses me off because now more work to be done.

It seems that this common practice among players used to protect themselves against their phone number being sold on to call centres dedicated to bombardment marketing campaigns is actually quite dangerous, and can result in significant losses. We are even advised to do this by organisations like "action fraud", a government sponsored agency set up among other things to teach us to be more savvy when it comes to protecting ourselves from frauds and scams. Giving a mobile number is more dangerous because it is easier for scammers to attach bogus charges to it, usually by faking a sign up to a "premium SMS service" set up by the same fraudsters, and then raking in £1.50 a text whilst the subscriber struggles to get it to stop. Whilst this fraud isn't a danger on land lines, they are more valuable when sold to dodgy marketing centres and scammers as they link directly to a physical address, and are not readily disposable like a mobile number.

As an affiliate, it would also be helpful to offer a guide for players when it comes to them not wanting to give out certain numbers. They should be advised never to type in false data, but to leave the field blank, and if this isn't possible, type in a genuine contact number in all the boxes. In this case, if only one box is shown, put the desired number in that, even if the descriptor is wrong (cell/home/work).

The data industry is really to blame for this, if companies REALLY respected our privacy, they would not be selling our data, no matter how well "selected" their "partner" was. The problem being that once passed on, they can no longer reliably exercise their obligations under data protection laws as they do not control what happens to the data after it's sold. Years of behaving like this has created this fear of giving out anything but the bare minimum of data, even to deliberately giving out fake data when it's something that the company "has no business asking" other than to make money by selling it on.

Now business is beginning to pay, not just in the casino sector, but everywhere. We had the marketing industry lobbying some while ago because so many people were opting in to our "do not call" service due to having been plagued in the past by endless marketing calls that the industry feared that it would end up out of business because it would be illegal to cold call ANYONE in the end. Now, they have given up, they just break the law and hope they have managed to dodge the regulations by working from offshore, or used subcontractors who have been told to lie about who they are, where they are, etc in order to make it harder for the authorities to track them down.

Until the telecoms industry comes up with a better solution to the problem, we are stuck with having to avoid giving our numbers out as much as possible.

Even this case has been a PR landmine for the casino, and it could end up costing them more than they end up saving over the longer term.
 
This has been my point from day one.. THEIR FORM CAUSED THIS PROBLEM!!! HE should be PAID!!!!

Then to call him a fraudster or even add that to this thread is upsetting to me. He did what most of us would have done. I have entered 000000000 many times under a phone entry. Maybe they couldn't figure out that he was entering a fake number because he didn't use zeros/ Lets be real here CLUB WORLD made the mistake and is making a player look bad and taking his well deserved money.

As an affiliate I will be removing all CWG casinos and instead place a warning on my site. Which really pisses me off because now more work to be done.

That's two affiliate sites with warnings as a result of this decision.

I do sympathize with you Bryan. I know you want to keep promoting them but then they keep pulling crap like this. It just weakens this site's credibility.

When people ask me about them I just say "Don't ever give them a reason. They'll snatch it up like a bargain at Christmas."

Maybe you should just include that as a warning.
 
I hope that the casino management would at least take a closer look at their signup form and see how this situation could have happened. The player put in an invalid cell number yes. That's a given, the player admitted that and his reasons why. I've done it also, and lots of other players have done the same. But there's no additional field for a home or any other valid number. He didn't knowingly put in ALL fake numbers, the back end software duplicated that invalid number to populate the fields for home and other numbers. To be fair, that would seem more like a technical error from the casino side instead of the player knowingly breaking the terms.

What's messed up is that if the field on the form said "phone" instead of "cell" then this whole situation would never have happened. It's understandable that the casino has terms and expects players to abide by them, but to expect the players to know that when it says "Cell" it actually means "Any valid phone number" is expecting a bit much.

Especially when it's on the signup page when chances are that the majority of people who would be filling it out might be newbies who are clueless or just unaware there's a live chat on the website where they could ask.

And one more thing - how is a player without a cell phone to know that if he puts his home number in the "Cell" field that THAT isn't breaching the terms? :confused:

At the very least, the label on that form needs to be changed, or an additional field added for home number.
 
The problem is that the player is not permitted to see the whole form, so at the second stage, they cannot know whether or not the third stage caters for their home number. Casinos should NOT be expecting players to give their work phones, this is an absolute, and it's something that can even get you fired from your job.

Whilst the player could have put a valid number in the field, a confusing field descriptor on the form was the problem.

This player was screwed right from the start, they could NEVER have obeyed the term, as even entering "1 valid contact landline number" in the field would have been false information as it wasn't what was being asked for.

The initial accusation that the OP had "deliberately" given the same fake number for all three fields also turned out to be false. The root cause of the fuss is a poorly designed form on one of the group's casinos.

There is no term stating that players may only play if they own a cell phone.

The other problem is that no matter how well casinos swear our data is safe with them, it always seems to leak out eventually, and then it's a plague of unsolicited calls. The ONLY sure way to protect ourselves is to set our own rule that we will NEVER give out cell numbers to ANY casino, not even the award winners. I get calls from scammers all the time on my landline, so clearly my data has somehow leaked, even though I have only given my number to legitimate companies. My mobile (cell) has been almost completely free of scammers, marketing, etc. I do NOT give this number out to companies or casinos, I repeat the landline number in all such form fields. To me there is an obvious relationship between giving out a phone number to companies who promise to keep your data secure, and the rate at which the scammers manage to get hold of it.

What I want to hear (from the rep) is what should the OP have done, and how this course of action would have been obvious from the form itself.

Normally, I do NOT put a fake number in, I either leave it blank, or put the landline number in. The problem here is that the form does not have an option for this, such as a null field leading to a message such as "sorry, only those with a cell phone are permitted to play".

If the casino really believes that a cell phone is more secure than a land line, then maybe they can explain why a cell phone bill is not a valid "utility bill" for "security reasons", but a landline bill is fine.

Incidentally, I CAN receive SMS on my land line, there is a service run by BT that intercepts SMS directed to a landline and converts them to speech, which is then relayed to the subscriber as an automated call. More modern landlines are even SMS enabled, and do not need this text to speech service.

Exactly..Thank You
Other than recognizing there may be a problem(which I didn't) in this case you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Like I said earlier, if I had said no way...not my cell number and put my home number I would be breaking a term that specifically says "cell". But if I said OK i'll put in my cell number it would have filled that in the other fields thus not matching my faxback form anyway. LOL
 
Is anyone tired of this yet?...lmao
Just sayin'
One thing I will say though is when I opened my iNetBet account the other day I have a SS of sign up form and a copy of every conversation and e-mail and before I made my first deposit at Intertops I went into my account details and went over it with a fine tooth comb ( and those combs are hard to come by too) to make sure there was no typos. I did find that my area code was shoved inside the box for the rest of the phone number and not in it's box so I fixed it..ya never know.
 
its not that we are tired of it -- we are trying to prevent another person from having to go thru this! The affiliate you signed up with just lost money as well.
Also as an affiliate do I want someone to say oh don't go to her site she raved about this casino and then they screwed me over because of a phone number. This hurts everyone. CWG needs to fix this form.
 
Shaky, I don't know how many casinos I have just entered my home numbers in both fields. I can produce some saved chats where sign-up forms got over-ridden because both fields contained the same number, and I did lie and say I had no cell phone, and it was (I think) sorted, and they overrode something and allowed me to only use my home phone. If it wasn't sorted,it was never anywhere I had a cashout issue.

I have never signed up to a casino that ONLY wanted my cell number, including High Noon years ago. I can totally see where you might have anticipated them asking for a home phone after you entered that field, just like Ontario is not an option before you enter Canada.

I really can't fault Maxd or CM in this whole debacle. You broke a term, the casino is nit-picking to escape payment, and that's well within their rights and terms.

Also doesn't make me inclined to chose them in the future.

While I am very sorry there is not a happy ending for you personally, and I would not go as far as describe there behaviour as rogue, I certainly can't call it player friendly.

Or even smart... Isn't the max cashout supposed to limit the damage from "bonus abusers".
 
it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out if there is one spot asking for a # you put in a good contact #

I strongly disagree. Cell phone number ≠ contact number. If you ask for a cell phone number and I don't have a cell phone I won't enter my home number, especially with casinos nowadays using texts to send spams or verification numbers, I'd never enter a home number in a clearly labeled "cell" field. It's absolute BS that people would blame him for not entering his landline number in a CELL PHONE field.

I have a few times deliberately in the past put an incorrect mobile in place (all other info 100% accurate) due to the possibility of junk texts and spam and nuisance calls.

...and I don't blame you.
 
its not that we are tired of it -- we are trying to prevent another person from having to go thru this! The affiliate you signed up with just lost money as well.
Also as an affiliate do I want someone to say oh don't go to her site she raved about this casino and then they screwed me over because of a phone number. This hurts everyone. CWG needs to fix this form.

Sure does
 
Shaky, I don't know how many casinos I have just entered my home numbers in both fields. I can produce some saved chats where sign-up forms got over-ridden because both fields contained the same number, and I did lie and say I had no cell phone, and it was (I think) sorted, and they overrode something and allowed me to only use my home phone. If it wasn't sorted,it was never anywhere I had a cashout issue.

I have never signed up to a casino that ONLY wanted my cell number, including High Noon years ago. I can totally see where you might have anticipated them asking for a home phone after you entered that field, just like Ontario is not an option before you enter Canada.

I really can't fault Maxd or CM in this whole debacle. You broke a term, the casino is nit-picking to escape payment, and that's well within their rights and terms.

Also doesn't make me inclined to chose them in the future.

While I am very sorry there is not a happy ending for you personally, and I would not go as far as describe there behaviour as rogue, I certainly can't call it player friendly.

Or even smart... Isn't the max cashout supposed to limit the damage from "bonus abusers".

I am not faulting maxd or CM for this outcome. It wasn't their fault. Only problem I had was being called a liar and fraudster.
 
After 22 pages of replies the thing that I can not get past is why wouldn't the OP contact support at the casino in question and ask how to proceed to fill this spot on the form before ever playing a single spin?
 
I agree with max here, there would be a lot of people taking advantage.


this is the phone section from the checkout form used on my retail sites - its a pretty simple form.

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It is sad but true that no matter what is said here, the casino reserves the right to have taken away the OP 's winnings. I agree with the fact that he should have been paid , but my opinion means nothing. I hope people do see this thread and how the casino handled the problem even after verification to better judge if this is a place where they really want to play. Living in the USA does not mean that you should have to settle for any treatment you get just to give the casino your money. I have taken a break from gambling to pursue other things in my life. Will i ever play again :confused: not if this is what i would be coming back to. Not paying $300 will probably cost a lot more in the end. This has really been one of the worst cases i have seen from a good casino.
 
This business of the casino having the "right" to keep a player's money is getting a little old.

Just because someone has the right to do something doesn't mean doing it isn't wrong to do it.

The next time you see an feeble old woman standing don't forget that you have the right to keep your seat. Maybe you got there first. Maybe you reserved that seat. Maybe you waited for a long time for someone to get up. It doesn't matter what the reason is. All that matters is - it's your right to make her stand.

There was never a question about whether or not the OP broke a term. The question is whether or not breaking that term was in any way beneficial to the player or detrimental to the casino. It wasn't.

It had absolutely no effect on the outcome of his wagers and there was no attempt to hide anything apart from the actual cell phone number or cheat the casino in any way.

Some casinos just require a little more than an invalid cell phone number to say the player has committed an unforgivable offense.
 
Some casinos just require a little more than an invalid cell phone number to say the player has committed an unforgivable offense.

And this forum has empowered casinos to act in this manner since they know they can get away with it with impunity.
 
And this forum has empowered casinos to act in this manner since they know they can get away with it with impunity.
Nice troll remark - and that was strike three (bpb has a history of being a troll). Go pollute some other forum with your boorish drivel.

This business of the casino having the "right" to keep a player's money is getting a little old...
Nope, what is getting old is your failure to understand that the casino's explicit terms explained that they reserve the right to negate any winnings if a player enters false personal information. Shaky agreed to this term and should have been fully aware that his winnings would not be honored.

In fact, the winnings did not even exist. No money was kept; no money was stolen. You are twisting this around to make it seem as though they kept his deposits because he made a mistake.

Answer me this: How much money is Shaky out of pocket? Well I'll save you the time for an answer - it is zero $0. Nothing - nada.

You've also turned this around to make it look like I had something to do with this. I have only taken the time out to explain what had happened and why. I never said I agreed or disagreed with the outcome, I only said it was the casino's decision to overlook this rule breach. And that is their right. Every casino on the planet holds the same right. You don't like it because you didn't get your way - and that is about it.

I would suggest that you refrain from posting more spurious and misleading statements. Thank you.
 
This business of the casino having the "right" to keep a player's money is getting a little old.

Just because someone has the right to do something doesn't mean doing it isn't wrong to do it.

The next time you see an feeble old woman standing don't forget that you have the right to keep your seat. Maybe you got there first. Maybe you reserved that seat. Maybe you waited for a long time for someone to get up. It doesn't matter what the reason is. All that matters is - it's your right to make her stand.

There was never a question about whether or not the OP broke a term. The question is whether or not breaking that term was in any way beneficial to the player or detrimental to the casino. It wasn't.

It had absolutely no effect on the outcome of his wagers and there was no attempt to hide anything apart from the actual cell phone number or cheat the casino in any way.

Some casinos just require a little more than an invalid cell phone number to say the player has committed an unforgivable offense.

This is a very big problem in the industry. Players have many rights under the laws and regulations of their own country, yet it is VERY wrong for them to exercise some of these rights because doing so isn't good for the industry and player community in general.

The "right" that is most dangerous for the industry is for a player to involve their bank as their first port of call in resolving a dispute with a casino. This is a right they have in law, and in the terms and conditions of their banking agreement. However, pursuing a complaint in this way does so much damage to the industry, and to other players.

This is another case where sticking rigidly to the rules is the wrong thing to do. If anything, when the amounts are small, players are encouraged to take the hit in the interests of the player community as a whole, rather than pursue their rights to the bitter end.

If casinos want players to continue to accept these hits in the interests of the community as a whole, they need to be seen to be doing their bit too.

The industry seems to be evolving away from "mutual trust" to a "them vs us". Once this becomes ingrained in the minds of players, they will be all out for themselves, and not care about waiving anything for the good of "them".

If you look at other big businesses who have treated their customers badly, we find that customers fight back by looking after number one, and it becomes not only socially acceptable to "get one over" on a faceless big corporation, it can make one a social "hero".

We have this in abundance in the retail sector, where it is seen as heroic to outsmart the big retailers by playing their own game better than them. If you are really good, you can reduce your shopping bill considerably, and perfectly legally, simply by collecting all the coupons you can, and learning the tricks they use so that you can outsmart them. Tesco has issued a profits warning recently, and it has dawned on their CEO that customers have gotten too smart to fall for the tricks that are supposed to manipulate them into spending their money on high margin items supposedly "on offer". However, if they stop running the promotions, the naïve customers who DO fall for the tricks also leave to go elsewhere, because they believe the offers at face value, and when they are gone, they believe that they are getting ripped off by massively higher prices, when in fact they are not because many of the offers were an illusion.

If the CEO of Tesco can get it so wrong (he resigned shortly after this), we shouldn't be too surprised that casinos can get it wrong either. They will just have to repent at leisure like the ex CEO of Tesco, and hopefully learn not to act in such haste the next time around.

Casinos got it wrong years ago when they invented the concept of huge bonuses for new players, and crumbs from the table for their loyal regulars. The bonuses were supposed to be an illusion, designed to get players in so that they end up spending far more than the cost of the initial marketing (the bonus). Smart players destroyed this idea, but the naïve players who still fall for it will not come along if the casinos ditch this lure for something else. They are now in the same position as Tesco, the offer schedule is all they have, but so many customers now know how to outsmart it that they lose money on them, yet if they drop them, the naïve customers will be driven away, leaving them with neither the smart customers nor the naïve ones.

At least now there are a small number of casinos experimenting with alternatives to the big bonus for recruiting and retaining players, and they do appear to be having some success. It could be the way forward, and it would also leave less value around for the fraudsters because "hit & run" would no longer be an option for making money.
 
Bryan putting shaky aside for a moment. Can we at least agree that their form should and needs to be worded better to prevent the next person from losing out? I think as an accredited casino they should have to fix this. To much confusion on such a simple thing.This time it was a free chip but what about next time? I know I wouldn't want another person to lose out on something bigger..

This casino is now getting talked about for the wrong reasons all because the way a form is worded. Regardless of what number shaky put in that box he would have broken the rules. I think its a trap waiting for the next person.

I know I have said it before but I still think it was casinos form that caused this mess. No one wins here and to me that is sad. I understand RTG CWG adheres to the rules but to me this situation is like expelling a 5 year old for using his hand to make a gun and play imaginary cowboys and Indians. Nothing about that or this situation makes any sense.


Just sad we hold accredited casinos to a higher value thinking that as a player they will be willing to listen and work through all situations. it just seems to me that CWG just shut down on this one and said oh well to bad to sad.

Casinos ask us to respect their rules and we all try to but where did the respect for this player go?

That form needs to be fixed i think that would be a start to try and restore our good faith in this casino.
 
We have two very hot topics going on at the moment: this thread and the "32Red Not Paying £25k win due to their own mistake."

I'm going to keep out of this thread. It's too emotionally fuelled and is going to end in tears I think.

gl all
 
Nope, what is getting old is your failure to understand that the casino's explicit terms explained that they reserve the right to negate any winnings if a player enters false personal information. Shaky agreed to this term and should have been fully aware that his winnings would not be honored.

What you fail to understand is that I agree with every word of that term when it's used responsibly. Casinos need terms like this to weed out fraudsters and cheats. If a casino feels that they've been cheated or intentionally deceived by a player for the purpose of hiding their identity I would be agreeing with the casino 100% in their decision to use this term to withhold a payment. I've called out every player that's tried to cheat or abuse the system regardless of what casino they've played at.

Just because the casino reserves the right to do something doesn't mean they have to do it. Most casinos have pages of terms and conditions and there are probably countless cases where players break some term or another but the fair casinos will consider the player's intentions when deciding what actions will be taken. This is where the issue is. It's not ok to do something just because you can and when casinos withhold payments from players who were not trying to cheat them in any way "just because they can" they have to be made aware that what they're doing isn't fair.

2 other affiliates have already done this by removing their banners or issuing warnings.


In fact, the winnings did not even exist. No money was kept; no money was stolen. You are twisting this around to make it seem as though they kept his deposits because he made a mistake.

I have twisted absolutely nothing around. He took a bonus and won 300 dollars. Ask any gambler if the money they won is their money regardless of whether they played with a bonus or not. Casinos still have to be fair regardless of whether or not a player deposits or takes a bonus.

Answer me this: How much money is Shaky out of pocket? Well I'll save you the time for an answer - it is zero $0. Nothing - nada.

You've also turned this around to make it look like I had something to do with this. I have only taken the time out to explain what had happened and why. I never said I agreed or disagreed with the outcome, I only said it was the casino's decision to overlook this rule breach. And that is their right. Every casino on the planet holds the same right. You don't like it because you didn't get your way - and that is about it.

I would suggest that you refrain from posting more spurious and misleading statements. Thank you.

I never once said you had anything to do with it. It was 100% High Noon's decision. I'm saying what they're doing is completely unwarranted and unfair. And I'm taking offense to your stand that as long as a casino can do something it's perfectly acceptable for them to do it. I honestly don't believe that you believe that. We've been reading each other's posts for years. You know that I don't take any player's side if I believe that what they're doing is unfair to the casino. And I know you don't appreciate it when casinos treat players unfairly.

And it has nothing to do with the fact that it's my brother because I've put just as much effort into cases where I had no idea who the OP was siding with both the player and the casino depending on the circumstances. I believe that players should be making no effort to cheat any casino and I believe that casinos should be making every effort to treat players fairly and in this particular instance the player has made no attempt to cheat anyone and the casino is not treating the player fairly.

It's as simple as that.
 
This issue of the casino can do what they want if it is in their terms BS... why are they not held to their own terms on all occasions? CWC has given me the excuse of "too many transactions and our banker didn't get to yours. He doesn't work weekends. He will probably do it Monday or Tuesday". Really? That is a breach of CWC terms stating weekly payout. Well WTF? Why is it OK to steal from an innocent man, of which they fully know his identity, and also ok to just do things as they want with no repercussions for them breaking THEIR own terms?

The fact that they feel they can do what they want is total rubbish. The fact that this is condoned by some affiliates is inexcusable. Almost NOBODY here is agreeing with the confiscation. We have all read that. Also, almost NOBODY here is agreeing with the stance Bryan is taking that basically says, YES it sucks but it is their right and also, who cares since you didn't deposit. That is just past my limit of patience and understanding. Its THEFT of 300.

When they called to verify his account and spoke to him WHY DIDNT THEY CLOSE HIS ACCOUNT THEN? Why do they always accept deposits then look at every possible way not to pay once someone wants to cashout? I know that there was no deposit in this case but that is an example of how shady this all is.
Im not accusing here but it just stinks of collusion between affiliate and casino. I KNOW there inherently is collusion but this site is supposed to be different. I am just feeling really disappointed and I guess I just got smacked in the face with what this is really all about. .. while I was first reading this thread I kept waiting to get to the part where bryan rides in and scolds the casino then puts them on probation if they don't do the right thing. The fact that quite the opposite happened leaves me feeling like I just found out Santa Claus isn't real. It sucks man.

I don't know the ins and outs of this business. I just want to play and have fun. If there is such a good chance of being stolen from even if I do win then it isn't fun. I don't want to be nervous upon a cashout if I will get paid or not. I really believed in bryan man... I just feel sick right now.
 
Agree to disagree, Holding on to your winnings and saying weekend maybe monday or tuesday, That is totaly wrong and out of order,

]The fact that this is condoned by some affiliates is inexcusable[/SIZE]
Please bear in mind not all affiliates give a shit, Look at all the emails we receive, alow reps say they will deal with it, if so and are dogys than they soon open another up, Which they probably got a few thousand more from dogy sites passing emails, I my self agree with the dission as bad as it sounds, If casinos did let every think slip and pass cash on than than they soon be out of business, I fell sorry for the op but like some 1 has mentioned it does not take a genies to work out to put at least 1 genuine number in,

This does not mean all affiliates are wrong and not good to say they are not, Byran stated that he had nothing to do with the outcome and the op broke rules, If he did put a geniune number in as he stated in hes first post even hes house number than I think Byrans and Max stance would be difference,

This issue of the casino can do what they want if it is in their terms BS... why are they not held to their own terms on all occasions? CWC has given me the excuse of "too many transactions and our banker didn't get to yours. He doesn't work weekends. He will probably do it Monday or Tuesday". Really? That is a breach of CWC terms stating weekly payout. Well WTF? Why is it OK to steal from an innocent man, of which they fully know his identity, and also ok to just do things as they want with no repercussions for them breaking THEIR own terms?

The fact that they feel they can do what they want is total rubbish. The fact that this is condoned by some affiliates is inexcusable. Almost NOBODY here is agreeing with the confiscation. We have all read that. Also, almost NOBODY here is agreeing with the stance Bryan is taking that basically says, YES it sucks but it is their right and also, who cares since you didn't deposit. That is just past my limit of patience and understanding. Its THEFT of 300.

When they called to verify his account and spoke to him WHY DIDNT THEY CLOSE HIS ACCOUNT THEN? Why do they always accept deposits then look at every possible way not to pay once someone wants to cashout? I know that there was no deposit in this case but that is an example of how shady this all is.
Im not accusing here but it just stinks of collusion between affiliate and casino. I KNOW there inherently is collusion but this site is supposed to be different. I am just feeling really disappointed and I guess I just got smacked in the face with what this is really all about. .. while I was first reading this thread I kept waiting to get to the part where bryan rides in and scolds the casino then puts them on probation if they don't do the right thing. The fact that quite the opposite happened leaves me feeling like I just found out Santa Claus isn't real. It sucks man.
 
This issue of the casino can do what they want if it is in their terms BS... why are they not held to their own terms on all occasions? CWC has given me the excuse of "too many transactions and our banker didn't get to yours. He doesn't work weekends. He will probably do it Monday or Tuesday". Really? That is a breach of CWC terms stating weekly payout. Well WTF? Why is it OK to steal from an innocent man, of which they fully know his identity, and also ok to just do things as they want with no repercussions for them breaking THEIR own terms?

The fact that they feel they can do what they want is total rubbish. The fact that this is condoned by some affiliates is inexcusable. Almost NOBODY here is agreeing with the confiscation. We have all read that. Also, almost NOBODY here is agreeing with the stance Bryan is taking that basically says, YES it sucks but it is their right and also, who cares since you didn't deposit. That is just past my limit of patience and understanding. Its THEFT of 300.

When they called to verify his account and spoke to him WHY DIDNT THEY CLOSE HIS ACCOUNT THEN? Why do they always accept deposits then look at every possible way not to pay once someone wants to cashout? I know that there was no deposit in this case but that is an example of how shady this all is.
Im not accusing here but it just stinks of collusion between affiliate and casino. I KNOW there inherently is collusion but this site is supposed to be different. I am just feeling really disappointed and I guess I just got smacked in the face with what this is really all about. .. while I was first reading this thread I kept waiting to get to the part where bryan rides in and scolds the casino then puts them on probation if they don't do the right thing. The fact that quite the opposite happened leaves me feeling like I just found out Santa Claus isn't real. It sucks man.

I don't know the ins and outs of this business. I just want to play and have fun. If there is such a good chance of being stolen from even if I do win then it isn't fun. I don't want to be nervous upon a cashout if I will get paid or not. I really believed in bryan man... I just feel sick right now.

A better example would be when they double charge players for deposits, or even take random amounts not related to a deposit. This not only breaches their terms, but could be criminal fraud. However, players are mostly understanding, and waive their right to pursue the matter vigorously to the letter of the law, and usually allow CWC to correct the problem later on, usually by crediting the extra amounts to the player's casino account.

They should be equally understanding when players make a misjudgement, but for good reason. This player didn't want to give out a work owned cell number, but misjudged the best way of doing this, but he corrected it as soon as possible. Rather than accepting this, and letting everything be sorted out later, they went by the letter of their rules and gave no quarter.

Given the hostile climate and the type of processor they end up with, if players held CWC to the same "to the letter" standards over double charges and extra charges, CWC would soon be unable to operate in the US at all.

Players only accept such problems because they trust CWC to deal with the matter. If the trust breaks down, players will be less confident that CWC will do the right thing in the end, and may be less willing to leave the resolution in the hands of CWC.
 
Wow you see the meisters now alot more than what we think we no when it comes to this side of things,
Ten years in the running bpb and gone,
Join Date Jun 2004

(beer please)

And this forum has empowered casinos to act in this manner since they know they can get away with it with impunity.

Nice troll remark - and that was strike three (bpb has a history of being a troll). Go pollute some other forum with your boorish drivel.


Byed by the rules and you be in good hands, Other wise get your runners on as any 1 will no alow this is a forum to express feelings, moans and groans, chit chat ect, They will no that explote it and game over, Its not as if we a subscription fee
 
What ever happened to....

"We have this term to protect ourselves.... but regular players need not worry, we will only apply it in cases where fraudulent activity has been found."


Now we have "We have this term to protect ourselves, and it will be applied in all cases".

This creates quite an issue, as there are many terms that are clearly predatory, anti-player, etc, but we have been assured that these are not intended for use against ordinary players, but kept in reserve for those cases where a fraudster has managed to outsmart the casino with some new angle.

We now have to look again at such terms, and consider that the approach from operators has changed to one of across the board application. It is therefore important that such terms are no longer tolerated where found, and that when considering whether or not a casino should have such a term, it should be considered as though it will be applied in all cases.
 
Agree to disagree, Holding on to your winnings and saying weekend maybe monday or tuesday, That is totaly wrong and out of order,

]The fact that this is condoned by some affiliates is inexcusable[/SIZE]
Please bear in mind not all affiliates give a shit, Look at all the emails we receive, alow reps say they will deal with it, if so and are dogys than they soon open another up, Which they probably got a few thousand more from dogy sites passing emails, I my self agree with the dission as bad as it sounds, If casinos did let every think slip and pass cash on than than they soon be out of business, I fell sorry for the op but like some 1 has mentioned it does not take a genies to work out to put at least 1 genuine number in,

This does not mean all affiliates are wrong and not good to say they are not, Byran stated that he had nothing to do with the outcome and the op broke rules, If he did put a geniune number in as he stated in hes first post even hes house number than I think Byrans and Max stance would be difference,

"it does not take a genies to work out to put at least 1 genuine number in"??

You can only put in one and as many have stated they have put in a phony cell for various reasons. The difference being in their case there was another spot for a home number. I did not have that option. Most likely I probably expected to come across another page or something where I could. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out either after reading countless posts stating it.
It never dawned on me I guess by the the time it was done that "hey, there was no home number spot".
 
You sure?

I'm actually doing some work for the original affiliate. He has several sites with banners on all of them. It'll take more than a few days to check through thousands of pages but considering how pissed he is, I'm sure he's working on it.

When a casino refuses to pay someone you've known for years and then refuses to listen to reason it becomes personal. Especially when he took the link off your own site.

Lets just say he's not real happy about it.
 
One thing I'm pretty sure of though is if I had forwarded all info and faxback and then tried to make a deposit and they saw the number didn't match they would have either let it go or contacted me in the same manner ( e-mail and then phone call to verify).
But I am sure once I was verified over the phone they would have let me make my deposit...not close my account.
That breach of T&C will never stop them from taking your money....just paying you out.
 
Anyone who still maintains that breaking a simple rule with no ill intentions is grounds for extreme measures is probably never going to understand.

Security has to watch for problems and when they find them decisions have to be made. This is the case in all security departments in any business. Generally considerations are made depending on the client's intentions.

There is an obvious rule that pretty much everyone knows about at every airport on the planet. You can't bring liquids on board over specified amounts. It's posted all over the airport.

And yet when people are in line and security is checking people's luggage they constantly find liquids in the carry on bags. Now consideration has to be taken. If there is a suspicious jar of unidentifiable liquid then maybe security has to take the passenger aside and do a more thorough check but if security finds an unopened bottle of shampoo it's just not necessary to take him in the back and shove your arm up his ass.

Security is well within their right to do it. The passenger broke a rule. Most people just don't consider sticking a bottle of Head and Shoulders in your carry on luggage a valid reason to widen someone's anal canal so he can't sit for the next three weeks.

It's called bad judgment.
 
Ten years in the running bpb and gone,
Join Date Jun 2004

From what I'm seeing he was one of the most ancient active member on this forum. I don't know what he said in the past so I won't comment on the ban but seeing an account that old getting banned on a forum is very rare.
 
From what I'm seeing he was one of the most ancient active member on this forum. I don't know what he said in the past so I won't comment on the ban but seeing an account that old getting banned on a forum is very rare.

I think the 3 strikes Bryan mentioned are the ones in this thread if not mistaken....... :o

6th September 2014, 05:14 AM
Thread: Highnoon bonus issue
by bpb Replies
And this forum has empowered casinos to act in this manner since they know they can get away with it with impunity.
4th September 2014, 01:13 PM
Thread: Highnoon bonus issue
by bpb Replies
And you are choosing to continue promoting a casino that has demonstrated a willingness to confiscate winnings over a term that the "mob" (aka the vast majority of your forum users) deems unfair.
2nd September 2014, 06:04 PM
Thread: Highnoon bonus issue
by bpb Replies
What an absolute fucking joke of an outcome.
 
Bpb got a warning after each of those posts. He knew he was skating on thin ice but evidently could not control himself. If you decide to keep on with the behavior YOU WERE WARNED NOT TO CONTINUE then you put your membership at risk.

Third strike took him out. Sad really as it could have been avoided. This is Bryan's house and his usual jovial nature does not do well with an outward challenge. Don't test the man if you want to stick around. Most people would react the same way -- that is why the forum manages its cool, relaxed atmosphere.

If Bryan warned me to chill, I'd probably chill post haste.
 
I think the 3 strikes Bryan mentioned are the ones in this thread if not mistaken...

... he was skating on thin ice ...

Actually the issues with bpb date back over the last few years. I believe anyone can view his actual Infraction list here: https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/2374/ And those are only the recorded Infractions, which we started doing in earnest a year or so ago. The record of private warnings and cautions goes back much further than that.

As I remember it he turned a corner about two years ago, give or take, and decided that we were the enemy. I don't say this lightly, I was involved in some fairly protractred "disagreements" with him myself, but it basically boiled down to him doing little more than taking shots at us instead of actually contributing to the discussions of the day. Once that becomes the agenda things are unlikely to end well.
 
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I think maybe only moderators can see member infractions. Unless I'm missing something because I don't see anything.

Ah, bummer that. Well it's 6 Infractions in the last 12 months, 3 x "Troll Comments" + 3 x "Creating a Negative Vibe". Ample warning, repeatedly ignored, result predictable.
 
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"Creating a negative vibe" is a thing?

Yes, think of it as the "poopy pants" Infraction, as in always behaving as if the stink you've created is everyone else's fault and you're going to make sure they hear about it. I think you're fine. ;)
 
I've pretty well kept my nose out of this shaky vs. highnoon thing till I saw how it all shook out. Not that my opinion matters, but I think it's weird that this whole thing has gone this far. And it seems to have nothing to do with his posting here as he was verified - and then he wasn't - through personal contact with the casino - whether phone and/or email. Hadn't this player been previously verified at other CWG casinos? This phone number thing borders on ridiculous.

Personally, I think I'd eat poop and die before playing at any CWG casinos again. \rant
 
I also wonder about this. Did they at at least one account have his phone number?

Well this is a statement from hes brother
Shaky is my brother. Almost all of his gambling experience has been at 3Dice and he's only recently started trying other casino software
If thats the case than he opened a few accounts up in a short period of time which is more than aloud but it does make me think,
 
Well this is a statement from hes brother
Shaky is my brother. Almost all of his gambling experience has been at 3Dice and he's only recently started trying other casino software
If thats the case than he opened a few accounts up in a short period of time which is more than aloud but it does make me think,

Think what?
 
Think what?

I let you decide what you think, He might be the nicest guy on the planet, But when you open a post I like to read facts, Not what you thought was a fact,
1st he stated he put hes real home number in, Which we all no that this is not true as he thought he did as he would of done if it was there, Than he brother stated hes only just ventured out trying other software but he has already opened wto other accounts at the same group, It would be nice to no when opened? But does not matter to me,
 
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