Have anyone ever had those battles

[Gaahl]

What I highlighted was..

you can expect to be on the positive side of variance a lot of the time. maybe not more than half the time, maybe closer to all the time. it's variance.

Please explain that...

Call me whatever names you like, comming from a people who play slots consistently should not be taken seriously anyway.

 

[happygobrokey]

no one mentioned foreseeing anything

you must have taken the time to read it, since you apparently have an opinion on it and quoted me, but you failed to surmise i mention nothing of a 5% house edge. in fact i never play slots. actually i never claimed any game to be beatable. what i did say is that being careful with your money can keep you from blowing it all, and quitting while ahead is the best way to try to stay ahead.

the part that you highlighted/bolded illustrates how i temper what i say. i quantify with vague terms, i never claim anything as a certainty. "you can expect...a lot of the time". how often is a lot? maybe less than half the time, maybe more than half, maybe exactly half, maybe .3532985025561953 of the time, maybe 7707/13654 of the time......

please read my post before you make lame ass comments, you fucking tool.


now one more time:

"you can expect to be on the positive side of variance a lot of the time. "

this means you will have many good times where you are winning. now notice the words "a lot" and realize that it is an imprecise quantifier. now look above and read where i already said this previously, pole-smoker.

"maybe not more than half the time, maybe closer to all the time."

this means you will experience the positive side of variance: sometimes for less than half the time, and sometimes for most of the time you are playing. really is that so hard to understand, you fucking turdburglar.

"it's variance."

surely you know what variance is. good day, shit-stain.

 

[KasinoKing]

kk, maybe he needs a sample of some of your play data, to see just how one might go about making steady profits at casinos.

I already have several examples of this on my website - including how I sometimes go crazy & blow my stack!
The best one is probably my 32Red log on my "KK Secrets" page.
This clearly shows that by quiting ahead (or at break-even), and NOT pushing your luck when you hit a biggie, you CAN go from slot to slot collecting more gains than losses.

As a matter of interest I just totted up how much profit I have made so far this year only at Microgaming Casinos where 99% of my play is just on slots... $1,776.

Not a vast fortune, but I have never claimed that is my goal or that it is achievable.
My aim is just to play the games I love, have fun & not lose.

I honestly couldn't care less if Gaahl or anyone else believes me or not - and I'm certainly not going to argue about it with anyone!
That's just a waste of valuable gambling time...

 

[Gaahl]

Now, exscuse my english, I bet if you were to communicate in norwegian there would be room for missunderstandings aswell.

If I understood you right this time, you mean positive side of variance inside one session? Then I agree with you. I thought you meant on each session, not inside each. You would be a darn proffesional if you would manage to get on the positive of variance most of the sessions you play.

And btw. What are all the namecallings for? I guess everything goes for "meister" members... Tool, pole-smoker, turdbuglar, shit-stain.. Applause to you dude... You must feel tough.

 

[Gaahl]

And KK, I don't doubt you beeing able to beat the MG slots using bonuses. My first statement in this thread was reading that you were able to beat slots over 6-7 years. I commented on that before I read your site about using bonuses. So I lolled at you before I read your site, no one could beat slots for 6-7 years without bonuses. I then commented on lojos post about slots beeing beatable as long as you quit ahead. That is ofcourse, and excuse my french, utterly bollocks. Take enough spins into your samplesize and you WILL loose over time. (If you play without profitable bonuses).
Oh, I almost forgott, there are ways of beating MG slots, but I guess they have learned their lessons by now

 

[lojo]

Hi Gaahl, it could be the language barrier, or maybe I'm not being clear (I bable sometimes)

IF you quit when you are ahead, there will not be enough spins in your sample size to defeat you i said earlier that of course if you spin indefinitely the odds will get you.

As far as I can tell I am ahead online over my lifetime of online gaming. I have used bonuses. I'm also very near to break even, but I tend to blame that on the difficulty i have funding and being paid (no longer instant for US players).

But As I mentioned I will start a record from my next deposit, starting at zero. Come back or check in anytime and I'll let you know how I'm doing.

Good luck to you

 

[Gaahl]

There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

Great Movie

 

[lojo]

There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

Great Movie

Heyyyyy, I've been saving that one for a special occasion.

OMG I laff my ass off until my gut cramps and my cheeks bleed every time I see that flick!

 

[happygobrokey]

...Now, exscuse my english, I bet if you were to communicate in norwegian there would be room for missunderstandings aswell...
...What are all the namecallings for? I guess everything goes for "meister" members... Tool, pole-smoker, turdbuglar, shit-stain.. Applause to you dude... You must feel tough.

those were because i couldn't believe you would call me a slots player who thinks he can beat the house every time, when i claimed neither. and you quoted my whole post but didn't even read it. i put the cusses in a similar colour to the background so that one would need to go out of one's way to see them. because that type of shit does not fly here, but i just needed to vent my frustration and did so. obviously there's no reason for me to think you smoke poles or burgle turds, and attacks on the person do not strengthen a rational argument. and if i had wanted to feel tough i would not have tried to hide the insults. teach me some norwegian cusses. i am in the process of beginning to learn swedish as well.

it was just pissing me off how thick you were coming across as being. language barrier sure, but you accuse me of being a know-nothing slots player when i clearly stated in no uncertain terms that i did not play slots. it was like beating my head against a wall, of course i'm gonna start cussing.

truce man! obviously so many hours later the anger is gone. plus i had to defend kk after he seemed to concur wholeheartedly with my opinions. the post of mine that you essentially called trash, kk who is a long-standing member and gambling aficionado found to be brilliant and worthy of inclusion into his own body of work. anyhoot, it's 4:30am for you so you won't see this until you wake up. so au revoir

 

[Gaahl]

Hehe, actually I have been out drinking and partying, so I read it now Actually, I read your post several times, And as i wrote, I missunderstood one part of your post (Beeing able to get positive variance all the time bit), and the slots thingy.

To lojo, I see your point, but your thinking is fundamentally wrong. You have to see it as one big session. Lets say you play ladies night for each session. You quit when you are up one session. Then redeposit, maybe at another casino, and play ladies night again. It is still "the same session" in the sense that the slot dont "remember" it as beeing a new session. So infact, even if you quit when you are ahead, you are still playing a -EV game. In the long run, slots dont "remember" your play. You are still playing against a 5% HA. And that will eventually grind you away, even if you quit while ahead. Because, like I said, you cannot see it as one and one sesion, If you play the same game, it will still be what we in the poker language call "one big session".

Hope my drunken speach made any sence. If you continue with your project, I hope you keep it on a small scale, because, and Im sorry, but I belive you will eventually loose. The statistics are against you. So I hope you dont bet more then you can afford to loose

Get drunk and watch Fear and Loathing instead


Oh, and not to sound like a jerk, but I know alot of "whores" who have probably made alot more of money then KK, so im not that impressed, but hell, im sure hes a nice guy, and I havent said anything bad against anyone in here (unlike some other ones here )

My ONLY point was, people should not get the notion that slots can be beaten without playing with bonuses, because no matter what strategy you use, they cant...

Hell, you lot should be out clubbing instead of gambling

 

[lojo]

Well, we agree Gaahl that if a person continues to spin they will eventually lose more than they've risked.
But I'm just looking for one big score, then I'll quit, really I will, and we didn't really need to pay on the house this month anyway, and the kids don't need new shoes, hell it's summertime here, and if the electricity gets shut off I won't be able to gamble and if I can just crawl out of this rut everything will be okay, I know it will, I have a feeling in my bones.

As long as I play within my entertainment budget and have the lojo mojo all is well. And the one big session concept might be something I have to look at. By the time I can do quick deposits and withdrawals again, if ever, my 'streak' will probably be over, I will have been convinced that it isn't possible to win and walk away. (I used to take my winnings and gamble onland and bought a few nice things for 'free', thus ending the session and starting over).

Yip, my faith is fractured as we 'speak'. It started with the naked truth that there is no place on earth like Vegas, (why bother trying to parlay my wins into a trip to monaco then macau) and ended with the realization that I'm not unique, the statistics won't be damned - thanks a lot pal
The glory days of bonuses are over, Americans are ducking the fog trying to gamble online, and I have only been lucky to take good B&M slot wins to the tables in the past. (and eventually put them back in the machines because I AM addicted to the atmosphere and potential in a Brick and Mortor casino)

But maybe tomorrow I'll wake up and believe that if I manage my money and my wagers sensibly online, I can end the session (at a profit) and start a new session whenever I feel like it.

I didn't learn a damn thing, did I
But at least I enjoyed the conversation and almost listened.