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where you just had to muscle your way to a profit? I mean I kept going up and down, up and down. It was like the casino wasnt gonna let me break past $450. Started at $100 went to $450 (hit this area several times) down to $189 and had to settle with $321
 

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where you just had to muscle your way to a profit? I mean I kept going up and down, up and down. It was like the casino wasnt gonna let me break past $450. Started at $100 went to $450 (hit this area several times) down to $189 and had to settle with $321
Cash out next time you make 350% profit. If you get greedy you'll probably end up losing it all.
 

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Been there, done that, numerous times. Sometimes you just need to cashout like blaqpoet said and accept the 350% gain.:D I,on the other hand, just love to play:p whcih is why I usually end up NOT cashing out!!
 

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Cool beans for you cashing out Atlanta . Yeah, you have to cashout those wins they make you work hard for :)
 

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where you just had to muscle your way to a profit? I mean I kept going up and down, up and down. It was like the casino wasnt gonna let me break past $450. Started at $100 went to $450 (hit this area several times) down to $189 and had to settle with $321
Yup, many times. In fact a lot of them ended with large bets on blackjack which, unsurprisingly, were not winnings hands.

When you feel like the software is beating you down, you have to either take a break, say to hell with it and cash out (if you're ahead), or if you really must still play [I fall into this category] then only bet the absolute minimum (20 cents on Avalon for example) and keep making small bets until you feel like your luck is beginning to turn - and even then, only increase your bets slowly and by small amounts.

When all else fails, cash in your comps and beat the snot out of them! :D
 

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Have anyone ever had those battles...
where you just had to muscle your way to a profit? I mean I kept going up and down, up and down. It was like the casino wasnt gonna let me break past $450. Started at $100 went to $450 (hit this area several times) down to $189 and had to settle with $321
All the time mate, all the time!
Month in & month out I have to "settle" for only making 100 - 200% profit at casinos, but that's how come I've been profiting consistently for over 6-years now...

:cool:
 

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Profitting 6-7 years in a row? LOL

Sorry for me laughing, but even if you use bonuses that would be extremly hard to do playing slots.....
 

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Profitting 6-7 years in a row? LOL

Sorry for me laughing, but even if you use bonuses that would be extremly hard to do playing slots.....

Don't even need bonuses if you play smart, keep track, and quit while you're ahead.. you almost always get ahead at some point don't ya :D

disclaimer: I'm not saying I'm at a lengthy profit because I don't track my play like KK does.
 

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I am not even gonna comment lojos post, but claiming, on a reputable forum, that you can beat slots with a HA of over 5% is inzane and I advize you to seek help if that is your thinking. Gambling is "bad" enough (yes I gamble, but I know that I wil loose, I do it for fun), but when you state on the forum that it is possible to beat the slots, you are luring naiv soles out there to even more gambling. Everyone should read this and accept it, you WILL loose in the long run playing slots.

As for KK, I read your site and see that you make most of your profit from BJ\other low HA bonuses. I still feel it is wrong to proclaim that you can make a consistent profit for 6-7 years without mentioning low HA games and bonuses.
 

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Nobody said that slots are beatable - they aren't. The fact of the matter is that slots have more variance than most table games - you don't bet $1 on each spin and always win back 95 cents, if they worked like that nobody would play them. Most of the time you lose and sometimes you win BIG.

KK has been profitable over the last 6-7 years because he plays with bonuses, small bets, and self-restraint.

He didn't say that every session has been profitable, just that he has made a steady profit over the years. I'm pretty sure I've seen him make posts where he blew a whole deposit at one session, but winnings from other sessions more than make up for it.
 

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It's not inzane at all :D Just play highly volatile games and quit when you're ahead. But again, I don't have docs to prove it and some of the play was w/bonuses, so it's anecdotal at best. Of course it takes some good luck, but I've never done a crushing cashout.. little over a grand at best so far. If I would have been betting in the higher numbers it would have been smashing though, .75 on Tombraider paid over a grand (5 laras inside the free spins) ut that's okay if you don't want to comment on my post, and it's okay if you don't want to believe that you will ever be ahead and stay that way:D
 

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I am not even gonna comment lojos post, but claiming, on a reputable forum, that you can beat slots with a HA of over 5% is inzane and I advize you to seek help if that is your thinking. Gambling is "bad" enough (yes I gamble, but I know that I will lose, I do it for fun), but when you state on the forum that it is possible to beat the slots, you are luring naive soles out there to even more gambling. Everyone should read this and accept it, you WILL loose in the long run playing slots.

As for KK, I read your site and see that you make most of your profit from BJ\other low HA bonuses. I still feel it is wrong to proclaim that you can make a consistent profit for 6-7 years without mentioning low HA games and bonuses.
You have obviously not read all of my site!
I do mention card games & definitely mention bonuses! :rolleyes:

Yes, when I started I played mostly BJ & other 'low HA games' - I only started playing slots in a big way after joining this site in Aug 2004 & seeing the 'Winner Screenshots' thread.

These days I do still play cards at Crypto, WagerWorks, & others, but at MG casinos I play 99% slots only and still make good profits.

For example, this month:
Right at this moment I am playing Harveys at 32Red - only about $150 from WR & $350 up.
I joined Grand Monaco this month & am over $800 up.
I probably would have bust out at Intercasino if I hadn't got 3 bonus rounds in 10 minutes on Love Bugs - but thanks to that I made a small gain.

Believe what you want - makes no odds to me - but you can win with slots!
(Well, you can if you play like me! :p)

Have a nice day!
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Believe what you want - makes no odds to me - but you can win with slots!
(Well, you can if you play like me! :p)
Well bugger me (gently :p), look what happened right after I typed that:-

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You don't win 100 x your bet with blackjack very often, do you! :p

;)
 

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You are missing my point\missunderstood me here, when you wrote you had played profitable from casinos for 6-7 years, you wrote nothing about using bonuses etc. I found that out after I read your site. And lojo wrote that he thought it was possible to remain a profitable player aslong as he quit while ahead at slots, which ofcourse, everyone, over enough spins, is impossible.

As I have seen gamblers fallacy first hand, I just thought it was wrong giving out an impression that you could make a steady profit from playing slots. There are many gambling addicts out there, the last thing these people need is hearing that you can make a steady income out from their "disease".

That is the reason I reacted to the post, and I have reacted to other post in here, but this is the first time I speak my mind about it.

Slot play can be fun (little to fun), but everyone should be aware that it is not possible to make a steady income of it. (only exeption is playing with favourable bonuses).
 

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<spell checked with iesplell> You are missing my point\misunderstood me here, when you wrote you had played profitable from casinos for 6-7 years, you wrote nothing about using bonuses etc. I found that out after I read your site. And lojo wrote that he thought it was possible to remain a profitable player as long as he quit while ahead at slots, which of course, everyone, over enough spins, is impossible.

As I have seen gamblers fallacy first hand, I just thought it was wrong giving out an impression that you could make a steady profit from playing slots. There are many gambling addicts out there, the last thing these people need is hearing that you can make a steady income out from their "disease".

That is the reason I reacted to the post, and I have reacted to other post in here, but this is the first time I speak my mind about it.

Slot play can be fun (little to fun), but everyone should be aware that it is not possible to make a steady income of it. (only exception is playing with favorable bonuses).
Totally agree. :thumbsup:
I fully support 'controlled gambling' and have numerous warnings of the dangers on my site as well as links to support groups.

e.g. from my 'Funky Slots' page:-
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If you are playing for profit rather than just for fun, please remember slots are just the same as any other casino game; the house always has the edge.

The average return on most online slots is 94-96% and if you keep playing any one casino game continuously you will lose in the long run.

The only way to win in the long term is by using bonuses and/or money management methods, as described in my guides on other pages of this site. Please remember most slots are high variance; It is possible to hit really big wins, but to fund this they have to take money in with lots of no-win spins, so you need to be patient.

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Thanks for clarifying Gaahl,

Someone with an uncontrolled compulsion should not play at all and shouldn't be reading here.

Of course if you play indefinitely the odds will get you. Quitting while ahead is a discipline and it can apply to a set goal, a bankroll not to go under - a session, a month, a year or a lifetime.

If a person has the unwavering ability to call it a day, they can indeed quit when ahead most times and over the course.

Think back to how many times, (or try a new experiment) you were ahead in a session or week or whatever. More often than not I'd guess. Statistics be damned, if you quit when you are 20% ahead six times and blow your whole bankroll once, you are at a 20% profit. And a volatile slot can do more than the whole seven session in one spin. Bonuses are not needed and many times they have cost me (hitting a 50-60% win in early wagering and having to grind it away into nothing where as I would have quit had it been a straight deposit)

I tire of hearing myself type though and there's probably several responses since I went into 'post reply' so I'll stfu :)
 

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Good that we got to clarify some things here :) No one should ever belive that they can "make a living" out of playing slots.

lojo: I see your argument about "quitting while ahead". But to me that is just like saying that the games are not random, I.E rigged. If the game was completly random you could just aswell loose your starting balance 6 times in a row. If you start seeing "trends", like almost always be 20% up before you grind it away again, you are implying that the slots have trends. And that would in other words say that the machines are rigged. If you played your strategy over 1 million spins, I would eat my hat if you would not have ended up with an ROI of +/- 95%. HA is HA. Implying that you could beat it by using trends in the slots would be the same as saying the slots arent random.

Sorry if I ruined your "super system" :cool:

But then again, are we shure that the games ARE that random? :D
 

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70% of players get ahead in their session.
30% lose from the git-go and never make it back to their original balance.
63% give all their winnings (plus some or all of their original stake) back.
7% will leave the session with winnings in their pocket.

if you can get ahead .7 of the time, and assuming no fees are involved in the buy-in/cash-out, you could consistently make a profit. this is IF you have the courage to quit while ahead and the discipline not to lose all your money chasing a score.

yes my stats are somewhat vague. ahead could mean $0.01 ahead, and yes 93% end up losing some or all of their roll, but if you can vow to be a member of the 7% club, and not chase too hard when you're down, then you can profit.

set your win/loss limit to +10/-5 bet units or something else that you're comfortable with. in a live game or on certain softwares, you can leave some of your stack behind and thus by standing up you can "go south" (i.e pocket your original deposit and just play with the winnings). if you take the right measures to preserve your roll, you can keep from losing too much and make tidy gains along the way.

gambling is statistically a losing proposition, but given the right incentives (bonus/cashback/promos), it becomes easier to play profitably. and even in their absence, you can expect to be on the positive side of variance a lot of the time. maybe not more than half the time, maybe closer to all the time. it's variance.

the normal curve is symmetrical; just don't shoot for wins that are >+3 sigmas, and don't go out of your way to lose more than a sigma or two if you can help it. it's easier to lose a lot than win a lot, but often that's the player's fault. of course you have to factor in the house edge, but a lot of games are close enough to 50/50 props that the game doesn't just eat you for breakfast.

it's wrong to think that you can consistently win, but so is it to think you cannot win with any consistency. that's why they're games of chance.
 

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70% of players get ahead in their session.
30% lose from the git-go and never make it back to their original balance.
63% give all their winnings (plus some or all of their original stake) back.
7% will leave the session with winnings in their pocket.

if you can get ahead .7 of the time, and assuming no fees are involved in the buy-in/cash-out, you could consistently make a profit. this is IF you have the courage to quit while ahead and the discipline not to lose all your money chasing a score.

yes my stats are somewhat vague. ahead could mean $0.01 ahead, and yes 93% end up losing some or all of their roll, but if you can vow to be a member of the 7% club, and not chase too hard when you're down, then you can profit.

set your win/loss limit to +10/-5 bet units or something else that you're comfortable with. in a live game or on certain softwares, you can leave some of your stack behind and thus by standing up you can "go south" (i.e pocket your original deposit and just play with the winnings). if you take the right measures to preserve your roll, you can keep from losing too much and make tidy gains along the way.

gambling is statistically a losing proposition, but given the right incentives (bonus/cashback/promos), it becomes easier to play profitably. and even in their absence, you can expect to be on the positive side of variance a lot of the time. maybe not more than half the time, maybe closer to all the time. it's variance.

the normal curve is symmetrical; just don't shoot for wins that are >+3 sigmas, and don't go out of your way to lose more than a sigma or two if you can help it. it's easier to lose a lot than win a lot, but often that's the player's fault. of course you have to factor in the house edge, but a lot of games are close enough to 50/50 props that the game doesn't just eat you for breakfast.

it's wrong to think that you can consistently win, but so is it to think you cannot win with any consistency. that's why they're games of chance.
That is a BRILLIANT analysis! :notworthy

Would you mind if I quote that on my website?

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It was like the casino wasnt gonna let me break past $450

Just use "double or nothing" strategy every time you place bet and you will loose your money even faster than you can imagine :lolup::D;)
 

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thanks kk! can't believe my words left such an impression on you. go ahead and use it, but give me credit as "-R.P.M. a.k.a. happygobrokey a.k.a. L3tsG3tRand0m a.k.a. ThE_FuZzZ a.k.a. pinasmaster69 a.k.a. Fonzie Barbarino a.k.a. Heywood Jablohmi a.k.a. Here Gal Yankmadic" :D that's not too much to ask innit? safe m8:thumbsup:

and RPM are my initials, just so you know. neat eh? i think my mom was a big drag race fan back when i was non-existent.:thumbsup:

EDIT: and you might add that the stats in the first few lines are courtesy "the john patrick show" (and likely outdated, although things like that tend not to change much), but make sure that's just in a tiny footnote compared to the credit you give me. :D
 
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Gaahl

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70% of players get ahead in their session.
30% lose from the git-go and never make it back to their original balance.
63% give all their winnings (plus some or all of their original stake) back.
7% will leave the session with winnings in their pocket.

if you can get ahead .7 of the time, and assuming no fees are involved in the buy-in/cash-out, you could consistently make a profit. this is IF you have the courage to quit while ahead and the discipline not to lose all your money chasing a score.

yes my stats are somewhat vague. ahead could mean $0.01 ahead, and yes 93% end up losing some or all of their roll, but if you can vow to be a member of the 7% club, and not chase too hard when you're down, then you can profit.

set your win/loss limit to +10/-5 bet units or something else that you're comfortable with. in a live game or on certain softwares, you can leave some of your stack behind and thus by standing up you can "go south" (i.e pocket your original deposit and just play with the winnings). if you take the right measures to preserve your roll, you can keep from losing too much and make tidy gains along the way.

gambling is statistically a losing proposition, but given the right incentives (bonus/cashback/promos), it becomes easier to play profitably. and even in their absence, you can expect to be on the positive side of variance a lot of the time. maybe not more than half the time, maybe closer to all the time. it's variance.

the normal curve is symmetrical; just don't shoot for wins that are >+3 sigmas, and don't go out of your way to lose more than a sigma or two if you can help it. it's easier to lose a lot than win a lot, but often that's the player's fault. of course you have to factor in the house edge, but a lot of games are close enough to 50/50 props that the game doesn't just eat you for breakfast.

it's wrong to think that you can consistently win, but so is it to think you cannot win with any consistency. that's why they're games of chance.

Congratulations!, you have actually found a way to beat a 5% HA game! You should make a website and sell your secret instead of spoiling it here! I don't know if I should laugh or cry. No wonder why there are people with serious gambling problems out there when ideas like this are out there...

First off you lot state that the games are completly random, but then you say you can use winning statistics to forsee a result into the future. How can you say that and still claim that the slots are random?


The world has gone crazy...
 

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no one mentioned foreseeing anything:confused:

you must have taken the time to read it, since you apparently have an opinion on it and quoted me, but you failed to surmise i mention nothing of a 5% house edge. in fact i never play slots. actually i never claimed any game to be beatable. what i did say is that being careful with your money can keep you from blowing it all, and quitting while ahead is the best way to try to stay ahead.

the part that you highlighted/bolded illustrates how i temper what i say. i quantify with vague terms, i never claim anything as a certainty. "you can expect...a lot of the time". how often is a lot? maybe less than half the time, maybe more than half, maybe exactly half, maybe .3532985025561953 of the time, maybe 7707/13654 of the time.

and also what you highlighted is about variance, not house edge. clearly there is no "rake" from my winnings and wagers; the house edge is a concept describing the overall outcome of an infinite series of trials. for any number under 1000, there is no way your outcome will be a loss of precisely what the house edge equals. and since you won't hit it on the nose (well maybe you will in 1/100000 sessions of 1000 hands), you will be either over or under this expected loss amount. variance is more



you know what, fuck it. you're making a sweeping two-sentence reply on all the shit i wrote and not even really considering what it says, so there's no point in continuing to dignify your statements with any further response. and kk, one of the top five (arguably) most senior and respected members here, found it brilliant what i had to say. i know "brilliant" to brits is not all too spectacular, but given who it's coming from, i accept it as a high honour. and all you are doing is saying "zomg lmfao you think you can win you stupid fucks, i'll laugh when you show up broke" while the rest of us attempt to communicate ideas and theories. kk, maybe he needs a sample of some of your play data, to see just how one might go about making steady profits at casinos. i certainly don't accomplish this, but i lack discipline and starting capital, and ambition. but i acknowledge it's possible. peace out cool guy!
 

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Happy just experienced poster's variance :D
 

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i had to keep from hurling personal insults in my other post, so i'll just quote this guy:
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gosh! frickin idiot!
 
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