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Have anyone ever had those battles

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Atlanta, Jul 24, 2007.

    Jul 24, 2007
  1. Atlanta

    Atlanta Banned User - player fraud - violation of <a href=

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    where you just had to muscle your way to a profit? I mean I kept going up and down, up and down. It was like the casino wasnt gonna let me break past $450. Started at $100 went to $450 (hit this area several times) down to $189 and had to settle with $321
     
  2. Jul 24, 2007
  3. blaqpoet

    blaqpoet Dormant account

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    Cash out next time you make 350% profit. If you get greedy you'll probably end up losing it all.
     
  4. Jul 24, 2007
  5. oldtrvlagt

    oldtrvlagt Dormant account

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    Been there, done that, numerous times. Sometimes you just need to cashout like blaqpoet said and accept the 350% gain.:D I,on the other hand, just love to play:p whcih is why I usually end up NOT cashing out!!
     
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  6. Jul 24, 2007
  7. silkprint

    silkprint Dormant account

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    Cool beans for you cashing out Atlanta . Yeah, you have to cashout those wins they make you work hard for :)
     
  8. Jul 26, 2007
  9. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

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    Yup, many times. In fact a lot of them ended with large bets on blackjack which, unsurprisingly, were not winnings hands.

    When you feel like the software is beating you down, you have to either take a break, say to hell with it and cash out (if you're ahead), or if you really must still play [I fall into this category] then only bet the absolute minimum (20 cents on Avalon for example) and keep making small bets until you feel like your luck is beginning to turn - and even then, only increase your bets slowly and by small amounts.

    When all else fails, cash in your comps and beat the snot out of them! :D
     
  10. Jul 26, 2007
  11. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    All the time mate, all the time!
    Month in & month out I have to "settle" for only making 100 - 200% profit at casinos, but that's how come I've been profiting consistently for over 6-years now...

    :cool:
     
  12. Jul 26, 2007
  13. Gaahl

    Gaahl Quit Gambling

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    Profitting 6-7 years in a row? LOL

    Sorry for me laughing, but even if you use bonuses that would be extremly hard to do playing slots.....
     
  14. Jul 26, 2007
  15. lojo

    lojo Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    Don't even need bonuses if you play smart, keep track, and quit while you're ahead.. you almost always get ahead at some point don't ya :D

    disclaimer: I'm not saying I'm at a lengthy profit because I don't track my play like KK does.
     
  16. Jul 26, 2007
  17. Gaahl

    Gaahl Quit Gambling

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    I am not even gonna comment lojos post, but claiming, on a reputable forum, that you can beat slots with a HA of over 5% is inzane and I advize you to seek help if that is your thinking. Gambling is "bad" enough (yes I gamble, but I know that I wil loose, I do it for fun), but when you state on the forum that it is possible to beat the slots, you are luring naiv soles out there to even more gambling. Everyone should read this and accept it, you WILL loose in the long run playing slots.

    As for KK, I read your site and see that you make most of your profit from BJ\other low HA bonuses. I still feel it is wrong to proclaim that you can make a consistent profit for 6-7 years without mentioning low HA games and bonuses.
     
  18. Jul 26, 2007
  19. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

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    Nobody said that slots are beatable - they aren't. The fact of the matter is that slots have more variance than most table games - you don't bet $1 on each spin and always win back 95 cents, if they worked like that nobody would play them. Most of the time you lose and sometimes you win BIG.

    KK has been profitable over the last 6-7 years because he plays with bonuses, small bets, and self-restraint.

    He didn't say that every session has been profitable, just that he has made a steady profit over the years. I'm pretty sure I've seen him make posts where he blew a whole deposit at one session, but winnings from other sessions more than make up for it.
     
  20. Jul 26, 2007
  21. lojo

    lojo Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    It's not inzane at all :D Just play highly volatile games and quit when you're ahead. But again, I don't have docs to prove it and some of the play was w/bonuses, so it's anecdotal at best. Of course it takes some good luck, but I've never done a crushing cashout.. little over a grand at best so far. If I would have been betting in the higher numbers it would have been smashing though, .75 on Tombraider paid over a grand (5 laras inside the free spins) ut that's okay if you don't want to comment on my post, and it's okay if you don't want to believe that you will ever be ahead and stay that way:D
     
  22. Jul 26, 2007
  23. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    You have obviously not read all of my site!
    I do mention card games & definitely mention bonuses! :rolleyes:

    Yes, when I started I played mostly BJ & other 'low HA games' - I only started playing slots in a big way after joining this site in Aug 2004 & seeing the 'Winner Screenshots' thread.

    These days I do still play cards at Crypto, WagerWorks, & others, but at MG casinos I play 99% slots only and still make good profits.

    For example, this month:
    Right at this moment I am playing Harveys at 32Red - only about $150 from WR & $350 up.
    I joined Grand Monaco this month & am over $800 up.
    I probably would have bust out at Intercasino if I hadn't got 3 bonus rounds in 10 minutes on Love Bugs - but thanks to that I made a small gain.

    Believe what you want - makes no odds to me - but you can win with slots!
    (Well, you can if you play like me! :p)

    Have a nice day!
    :thumbsup:
     
  24. Jul 26, 2007
  25. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Well bugger me (gently :p), look what happened right after I typed that:-

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    You don't win 100 x your bet with blackjack very often, do you! :p

    ;)
     
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  26. Jul 26, 2007
  27. Gaahl

    Gaahl Quit Gambling

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    You are missing my point\missunderstood me here, when you wrote you had played profitable from casinos for 6-7 years, you wrote nothing about using bonuses etc. I found that out after I read your site. And lojo wrote that he thought it was possible to remain a profitable player aslong as he quit while ahead at slots, which ofcourse, everyone, over enough spins, is impossible.

    As I have seen gamblers fallacy first hand, I just thought it was wrong giving out an impression that you could make a steady profit from playing slots. There are many gambling addicts out there, the last thing these people need is hearing that you can make a steady income out from their "disease".

    That is the reason I reacted to the post, and I have reacted to other post in here, but this is the first time I speak my mind about it.

    Slot play can be fun (little to fun), but everyone should be aware that it is not possible to make a steady income of it. (only exeption is playing with favourable bonuses).
     
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  28. Jul 26, 2007
  29. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Totally agree. :thumbsup:
    I fully support 'controlled gambling' and have numerous warnings of the dangers on my site as well as links to support groups.

    e.g. from my 'Funky Slots' page:-
    No-one should EVER play with money they are not prepared to lose or because they need money to pay off some debt - that is a recipe for disaster.

    KK
     
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  30. Jul 26, 2007
  31. lojo

    lojo Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    Thanks for clarifying Gaahl,

    Someone with an uncontrolled compulsion should not play at all and shouldn't be reading here.

    Of course if you play indefinitely the odds will get you. Quitting while ahead is a discipline and it can apply to a set goal, a bankroll not to go under - a session, a month, a year or a lifetime.

    If a person has the unwavering ability to call it a day, they can indeed quit when ahead most times and over the course.

    Think back to how many times, (or try a new experiment) you were ahead in a session or week or whatever. More often than not I'd guess. Statistics be damned, if you quit when you are 20% ahead six times and blow your whole bankroll once, you are at a 20% profit. And a volatile slot can do more than the whole seven session in one spin. Bonuses are not needed and many times they have cost me (hitting a 50-60% win in early wagering and having to grind it away into nothing where as I would have quit had it been a straight deposit)

    I tire of hearing myself type though and there's probably several responses since I went into 'post reply' so I'll stfu :)
     
  32. Jul 26, 2007
  33. Gaahl

    Gaahl Quit Gambling

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    Good that we got to clarify some things here :) No one should ever belive that they can "make a living" out of playing slots.

    lojo: I see your argument about "quitting while ahead". But to me that is just like saying that the games are not random, I.E rigged. If the game was completly random you could just aswell loose your starting balance 6 times in a row. If you start seeing "trends", like almost always be 20% up before you grind it away again, you are implying that the slots have trends. And that would in other words say that the machines are rigged. If you played your strategy over 1 million spins, I would eat my hat if you would not have ended up with an ROI of +/- 95%. HA is HA. Implying that you could beat it by using trends in the slots would be the same as saying the slots arent random.

    Sorry if I ruined your "super system" :cool:

    But then again, are we shure that the games ARE that random? :D
     
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  34. Jul 26, 2007
  35. happygobrokey

    happygobrokey Dormant account

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    70% of players get ahead in their session.
    30% lose from the git-go and never make it back to their original balance.
    63% give all their winnings (plus some or all of their original stake) back.
    7% will leave the session with winnings in their pocket.

    if you can get ahead .7 of the time, and assuming no fees are involved in the buy-in/cash-out, you could consistently make a profit. this is IF you have the courage to quit while ahead and the discipline not to lose all your money chasing a score.

    yes my stats are somewhat vague. ahead could mean $0.01 ahead, and yes 93% end up losing some or all of their roll, but if you can vow to be a member of the 7% club, and not chase too hard when you're down, then you can profit.

    set your win/loss limit to +10/-5 bet units or something else that you're comfortable with. in a live game or on certain softwares, you can leave some of your stack behind and thus by standing up you can "go south" (i.e pocket your original deposit and just play with the winnings). if you take the right measures to preserve your roll, you can keep from losing too much and make tidy gains along the way.

    gambling is statistically a losing proposition, but given the right incentives (bonus/cashback/promos), it becomes easier to play profitably. and even in their absence, you can expect to be on the positive side of variance a lot of the time. maybe not more than half the time, maybe closer to all the time. it's variance.

    the normal curve is symmetrical; just don't shoot for wins that are >+3 sigmas, and don't go out of your way to lose more than a sigma or two if you can help it. it's easier to lose a lot than win a lot, but often that's the player's fault. of course you have to factor in the house edge, but a lot of games are close enough to 50/50 props that the game doesn't just eat you for breakfast.

    it's wrong to think that you can consistently win, but so is it to think you cannot win with any consistency. that's why they're games of chance.
     
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  36. Jul 26, 2007
  37. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    That is a BRILLIANT analysis! :notworthy

    Would you mind if I quote that on my website?

    :thumbsup:
     
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  38. Jul 26, 2007
  39. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

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    Just use "double or nothing" strategy every time you place bet and you will loose your money even faster than you can imagine :lolup::D;)
     

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