Forum ass-clowns and the definition of fraud

[topoor]

Whether they do or not is irrelevant. I am not a liar and I have done what I said I would do. If you are who you claim to be with the credentials you claim to have then you should have a presiding value for the truth and should see that my motivation is clearly for that to come out and nothing else. It already has and the picture we now see is different to the one originally painted.

This isn't over Laurie. The notary is off sick and I haven't had a chance to speak to them. But I will, if only to draw their attention to this thread. Maybe they won't care but who knows.

As for the OP I agree they broke the rules of this forum and on the presented evidence that's all I can claim to know.

You seem to have a strange idea of fairness to players but that's your right.

 

[LaurieJim]

If you've been a notary for 20 years plus why don't you know how to accurately write the word notary? Just an observation.

I belong to the National Notary Association , would you like for me to send Maxd or CM a copy of my commission ?


Notary
Notaries
Notarize
Notarial

Any other way you need me to type it out for you ?

Laurie

 

[topoor]

When written as a job title notary is not capitalised.

 

[LaurieJim]

When written as a job title notary is not capitalised.

This is so and you are correct , did not know we were getting down to caps and dotting i's and crossing t's but then i'm on here as a forum member only.

Laurie

 

[topoor]

This is so and you are correct , did not know we were getting down to caps and dotting i's and crossing t's but then i'm on here as a forum member only.

Laurie

When you describe yourself as a "Notary" and speak from a professional perspective quoting years of experience you're no longer solely a forum member.

Naturally you would expect someone with so much experience to know this unusual quirk. A fraudster for example would probably make that mistake. But then this whole thread is about conclusion drawing with suspicions rather than facts.

 

[Nifty29]

I belong to the National Notary Association , would you like for me to send Maxd or CM a copy of my commission ?


Notary
Notaries
Notarize
Notarial

Any other way you need me to type it out for you ?

Laurie

Nice reply Laurie. Well done for not taking the bait and responding with a virtual finger....you're more patient than I

Whilst we're on the subject of grammar/spelling/etc, maybe you should ask what topoor's username means. I've always wondered. (I'd ask myself but I have them on ignore)

 

[topoor]

Glad to know I'm never far from your thoughts. You want to know something you ask me directly. You claim to have me on ignore yet you can clearly see my posts? This is behaviour my child would display.

Love the way you thank all Max's posts excluding the one that clears the op of being labelled a casino fraudster.

Nothing like a fair and balanced position open to being swayed or informed by evidential changes.

Ps no bait was laid for Laurie. It was a genuine question which a genuine notary would know the answer to. In my experience they are meticulous people who would never make that mistake. I have no proof either way if Laurie is a notary but I believe he/she is.

 

[topoor]

This will be my last contribution here as I have other business to attend to.

It seems I mis-spoke, the only _proven_ fraud that I know of is here on the site re: multiple memberships, so ...

"a serial fraudster [strike]both[/strike] here [strike]and at the casinos[/strike]" (I'll make note of this in the post where this originally appeared)

FWIW our experience is that those who are willing to practice fraud and deceit here with forum memberships are highly likely to do or have done the same elsewhere, namely the casinos. And when the circumstantial evidence keeps piling up at casino after casino, well ... certainly not proof of anything but all together it's enough to make them persona non grata as far as we are concerned.

Max, you've actually changed the wording of the original post to say casinos instead of the original text which was casino. Please can you re edit or state what you have done for clarity.

 

[Nifty29]

No point. Waste of time.

 

[topoor]

If that doesn't result in a ban for trolling I don't know what will.

 

[LaurieJim]

A debate is always good and can get heated fast , this thread should be put out of its misery imo !



Laurie

 

[topoor]

No point. Waste of time.

As its quite clear you're reading my posts yet openly stating that you have me on ignore and as such cant see them, does that make you a fraudster by the definitions posted in this thread?

 

[IanO]

Just so you know how the ignore button works, as Nifty may not see this and be able to reply himself - if he has you on ignore but does not have Lauri on ignore and she quotes you, he's still able to see what you said in her quotes.

I agree though.. this thread needs a fork as it's become more about the derail than the issue.

 

[topoor]

It's clear he sees my original posts. However I have no interest in derailing the topic.

 

[Cleveland]

What do you have to say about that!

I'm at a lost for words

You didn't mention how to cook it though

 

[The Dude]

Like I mentioned earlier, this issue may have been a time suck - but it gave me the opportunity to pull a few weeds. Topoor has been booted for having at least two other banned accounts in the forum.

Going back to the Virgin Casino promo faceplant of 2008 (https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...-casino-poor-treatment-of-high-rollers.21301/), I noted topoor's cry of wrongdoing - and I came across a forwarded PM from the casino rep that included topoor's account name for Virgin - it was the same being used by another miscreant (well actually the same miscreant) that spewed gems as this:

Whatever. You think Ill just shut up and let you abuse me? Fuck you and the horse you rode in on you useless cunt.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/complaints-section.28432/

reject726 was banned but signed up with the same email address for this account - 3dfella, which was also closed, and the guy had the gall to email me asking me why he was banned. Idiot.

reject726
3dfella
topoor - one in the same.

Renaming this thread since the main topic hasn't been about the asserted wrong doing of casinosieger.com, but of the activities of a few ass-clowns.

 

[rpalmer83]

It is disappointing that personal attacks and rude comments have to be resorted to rather than just trying to find a common ground on the matter at hand even though at times it can be difficult and exasperating trying to get views heard. I have noticed on more than one occasion that there are a few members...and moderators as well for that matter that can come across really strongly as being downright nasty and arrogant in the way they put their comments across, to be honest there is absolutely no need for it....at all.

Luckily I haven't really had any major issues that weren't resolved with an outcome to my satisfaction since BetFred & their absolutely disgusting attitude of targeting marketing at customers and then telling them they are ineligible after the initial deposits are made, pathetic rules surrounding transferring funds between sportsbook/casino etc. I voted with my feet and told them to close my account. I would never touch that company again and still to this day tell people about my experiences if i'm asked. I recommend anyone that has a problem with any casino does the same, there are plenty of good ones around to choose from.

If this player is genuine though and has lost out on €5000 then that really isn't fair and is completely wrong regardless of his forum account conduct. I notice nobody has spoken up for Casinosiegar saying they've played here and had a good experience. Fair payouts, and withdrawal timescales etc so I would not play with them personally unless I'd heard some positivity about them.

 

[dionysus]

It is disappointing that personal attacks and rude comments have to be resorted to rather than just trying to find a common ground on the matter at hand even though at times it can be difficult and exasperating trying to get views heard. I have noticed on more than one occasion that there are a few members...and moderators as well for that matter that can come across really strongly as being downright nasty and arrogant in the way they put their comments across, to be honest there is absolutely no need for it....at all.

Luckily I haven't really had any major issues that weren't resolved with an outcome to my satisfaction since BetFred & their absolutely disgusting attitude of targeting marketing at customers and then telling them they are ineligible after the initial deposits are made, pathetic rules surrounding transferring funds between sportsbook/casino etc. I voted with my feet and told them to close my account. I would never touch that company again and still to this day tell people about my experiences if i'm asked. I recommend anyone that has a problem with any casino does the same, there are plenty of good ones around to choose from.

If this player is genuine though and has lost out on €5000 then that really isn't fair and is completely wrong regardless of his forum account conduct. I notice nobody has spoken up for Casinosiegar saying they've played here and had a good experience. Fair payouts, and withdrawal timescales etc so I would not play with them personally unless I'd heard some positivity about them.

1. try being here a bit longer and see how often you'd like to explain*, in length and in detail, the same thing over and over and over.......and over and keep a smile on your face. Half the questions and concerns could be found by a simple search using the handy dandy search bar up top, yet people ask the same things time and time again, and well...it's exhausting, and really, a short curt answer gets it done, and a lengthy drawn out (redundant) answer can't always be given. And frankly, if you don't like the way mods and members do things, start up your forum by all means and do it your way.
2. CM helps members help themselves, they aren't a policing site - you want respect, you have to give it

* yes, youve been here since 2006..but at 50 posts, it isnt you answering all these questions

 

[MisterBJ]

All i can say about this thread is WOW and goodnight.

 

[maxd]

... I have noticed on more than one occasion that there are a few members...and moderators as well for that matter that can come across really strongly as being downright nasty and arrogant in the way they put their comments across....

My guess is that I'm the moderator you are referring to. Fair enough, your call, but you might want to look at who is on the receiving end of the brusk stuff. My belief is that taken over time it is -- generally speaking -- the liars, trolls and cheats who get the special treatment. Whether you know it or not that crowd tends to make it their habit to piss all over us and what we do on a regular basis. For a goodly percentage of them it's pretty much their hobby to do so. I say this just to be clear that these are the folks you want us to be more curteous to.

You might think that even they are deserving of respect and "fair treatment" and I can see your point, to a point. At the end of the day though those people are here to pursue their own agendas regardless of the cost to our time, resources and reputation. In any other context they'd be known as thugs and petty criminals and there would be laws, police, courts and jails to deal with them. But this is the web and the basic truth is that the anonymity of the internet allows them to (largely) get away with doing the dirt they do, both here on the site and at the casinos.

So, not to put too fine a point on it but the only thing standing between the "bad guys" and the chaos they'd prefer -- because that's where their lying, cheating and "burn the house down" habits are allowed to flourish without restraint -- is us and others like us. It's very long odds and it never gets much better. So yes, it does tend to make some of us a little humourless when it comes to dealing with the latest burning bag of shit left on our doorstep, especially when you consider that many of us have been doing this for 10+ years.

Fortunately most of the guys behind the scenes here at Casinomeister are stand-up guys with good attitudes and pleasant demeanors. I may not be one of them but there you go eh? At least I try hard to be fair and won't usually release the hounds unless I'm good and certain that it's justified. Of course you may not like my sense of "justified" and that's fine, I hear you, it's a criticism I have heard before. I try to keep it well in mind as I go about my business. But perhaps you could be mindful of the kind of crap that we face on a daily basis and cut us a some slack, maybe even empathise a little, and perhaps see that there's no perfect way to do this. It's a day-by-day, do the best you can, situation.

 

[dionysus]

it reminds of of a few times when I've been in the position where I've been GM or out-and-out boss. As a boss once told me, it sucks, but at the end of the day, sometimes someone needs to be the a$$hole.

It does suck - unless you're a bastard to begin with, it isn't fun being the bad guy (parents can empathize when someone sometimes has to be the 'bad' parent). Everyone would love to be the good guy, the fun guy, everyone's buddy. And that works - for the most part.....right up until it doesn't.

People also forget (and often NEVER SEE) all the good things done behind the scenes, behind closed doors or away from where it's obviously apparent, by bosses/owners etc FOR the employees/members - and instead see, then focus on, the 'surmised' bad things.

Look at CM..max and Bryan are great sociable guys - but you don't always see them in the forum chatting and bantering. Why? They're damned busy. We're adults here and for the most part, are expected to, and do, behave like adults, so the site is practically self-policing..they don't often NEED to step in...until they do. And so, what does some person see, the rare, random times, when someone deserves to be chewed out? The ugly side..and jumps all over it,neglecting the million positive things they're doing that aren't in the over-bloated, high-profile 30 page threads.

Personally, I think they deserve more kudos than they get for the restraint they show lol

 

[Przecinek]

1. try being here a bit longer and see how often you'd like to explain*, in length and in detail, the same thing over and over and over.......and over and keep a smile on your face. Half the questions and concerns could be found by a simple search using the handy dandy search bar up top, yet people ask the same things time and time again, and well...it's exhausting, and really, a short curt answer gets it done, and a lengthy drawn out (redundant) answer can't always be given. And frankly, if you don't like the way mods and members do things, start up your forum by all means and do it your way.
2. CM helps members help themselves, they aren't a policing site - you want respect, you have to give it

* yes, youve been here since 2006..but at 50 posts, it isnt you answering all these questions

I think, that it's better to stay silent rather than reply in a rude or agressive manner. If keeping a smile on your face is exhausting it's better not to smile, but why give a rude ("short cut"?) answer. Unless you want to vent this way your anger at someone for not using search bar etc.

I'm talking here about situations when a noob decides to register and share his story about his biggest win being confiscated (not PAB or anything, just a post in hope to get some consolation) but instead all he gets is "you didn't read t&c? you're loss, bye", "I don't feel any sympathy for you" or even "why are you still here?"

So sometimes it's regular folks that are on recieving end (I'm not talking now about mods but feedback from regular posters). It's almost like cyber-bulling. Bringing someone down, while they are in misery. Saying it's justified, just because, these are "same things time and time again" escapes me. It's better to have 200 nice posts than to register in 2012 and have 2000 posts, 500 of which are rude.

If someone is a noob he didn't even have time to give respect, he's just starting out and should be given a warm welcome and empathy.

Sorry to bump this thread, but I see it coming up under "Latest posts" all the time so it's not my fault

 

[maxd]

I think, that it's better to stay silent rather than reply in a rude or agressive manner. ... I'm talking here about situations when a noob decides to register and share his story about his biggest win being confiscated ....

I think it's important to highlight the difference between cases like you've mentioned -- and certainly a little more forum etiquette would be welcome when dealing with people who basically don't know any better -- and cases that this thread has been about since the beginning, namely forum ass-clowns and fraud.

The noobs need to be handled more sensitively, no doubt. But the ass-clowns and fraudsters need to be handled swiftly and in such a manner that they are not inclined to return to do it again. Admittedly though they tend not to get that message and keep coming back.

FWIW we -- meaning those of us behind the scenes who do the moderating and admistration -- call them "time vampires" because that's what they are: they suck away endless amounts of our time as we are forced to root them out, expose them, and get rid of them as best we can. But like a bad smell they always leave something of themselves behind. And sooner or later they're back again to give it another go. Sure, maybe we should take a break to chill out and improve our attitude etc, but they'll still be there, knawing away at woodwork and trying to gain whatever advantage they can. Like the man said, rust never sleeps.

 

[naththo]

Geeze unbelievable that! I cannot speak more than these few words. Just this.

PS Max and Casinomeister moderator are amazing picking up something very unusual pretty quick and just flick them out of the door in no time. I don't feel sorry or have pity on those fraudster/troll/whatever that is. I feel sorry for those people here including moderator, casino reps having to go through and put up with it big time, its a huge effort! So relieved that those idiots are gone thankfully. Hope that won't happen again for very long time for sure.

 

[swampwitch]

Thirteen pages, most of which are devoted to whether or not a couple of self-entitled, self-absorbed, self-important twits should be allowed to make multiple accounts in order to hijack everyone's time screaming LOOK AT ME.
All that's happening now is reinforcing their egos because they're banned once again, but still getting the attention they crave and think they deserve.

I'd like to see an actual thread on whether the casino of the original post is any good, but this isn't it folks.

 

[rpalmer83]

1. try being here a bit longer and see how often you'd like to explain*, in length and in detail, the same thing over and over and over.......and over and keep a smile on your face. Half the questions and concerns could be found by a simple search using the handy dandy search bar up top, yet people ask the same things time and time again, and well...it's exhausting, and really, a short curt answer gets it done, and a lengthy drawn out (redundant) answer can't always be given. And frankly, if you don't like the way mods and members do things, start up your forum by all means and do it your way.
2. CM helps members help themselves, they aren't a policing site - you want respect, you have to give it

* yes, youve been here since 2006..but at 50 posts, it isnt you answering all these questions

I post when I have an opinion on a matter or a problem of my own, not to troll or pass judgement on people who I don't even knows credibility.

Yes I'm well aware it must be annoying having to answer things over and over, but that isn't whats been happening in this thread. From my point of view a player has been accused of being an fraudster for opening multiple forum accounts which I don't think is right. I am not privvy to the ID submitted or the original PAB but a casino taking money from a player, taking his wagers, using what look to me like stalling tactics over payout then only refunding the original deposit is completely wrong in my eyes. They took the money & the wagers believing they were legit so its a little convenient they are accused of not being legit when it comes to paying out.

Max & Bryan have made their position clear on all this mainly based on the fact multiple forum accounts were opened by the player & its their site, their rules.

"If you want respect you have to give it" I couldn't agree more with this statement however I see rudeness and attitude in a lot of threads on here where it is absolutely uncalled for.

 

[dionysus]

I post when I have an opinion on a matter or a problem of my own, not to troll or pass judgement on people who I don't even knows credibility.

Yes I'm well aware it must be annoying having to answer things over and over, but that isn't whats been happening in this thread. From my point of view a player has been accused of being an fraudster for opening multiple forum accounts which I don't think is right. I am not privvy to the ID submitted or the original PAB but a casino taking money from a player, taking his wagers, using what look to me like stalling tactics over payout then only refunding the original deposit is completely wrong in my eyes. They took the money & the wagers believing they were legit so its a little convenient they are accused of not being legit when it comes to paying out.

Max & Bryan have made their position clear on all this mainly based on the fact multiple forum accounts were opened by the player & its their site, their rules.

"If you want respect you have to give it" I couldn't agree more with this statement however I see rudeness and attitude in a lot of threads on here where it is absolutely uncalled for.

Noone said the casino was right - just that the player was a dick. Max and Bryan have bent over backwards helping players - look at the resolved PABs. They're helpful guys...but they aren't doormats. If some guy robbed me on the street then the following week I saw him, and he said, hey, buddy, I just got robbed, lend me a quarter, I'd tell him to stuff it.
As for rude members? Hey we're fallible - we don't poo sunshine. I have awful, exhausting days. But I'd think, it's fair to say, I help more players than go at them. I'm not a robot, nor max, nor Nifty, and I don't have a happy-switch. And yes, frankly, I DO believe a short direct answer is fine. I'm not obligated to be nice - just to follow the rules. If someone doesn't like my cents, they're welcome to skip past it.

 

[LaurieJim]

I post when I have an opinion on a matter or a problem of my own, not to troll or pass judgement on people who I don't even knows credibility.

Yes I'm well aware it must be annoying having to answer things over and over, but that isn't whats been happening in this thread. From my point of view a player has been accused of being an fraudster for opening multiple forum accounts which I don't think is right. I am not privvy to the ID submitted or the original PAB but a casino taking money from a player, taking his wagers, using what look to me like stalling tactics over payout then only refunding the original deposit is completely wrong in my eyes. They took the money & the wagers believing they were legit so its a little convenient they are accused of not being legit when it comes to paying out.

Max & Bryan have made their position clear on all this mainly based on the fact multiple forum accounts were opened by the player & its their site, their rules.

"If you want respect you have to give it" I couldn't agree more with this statement however I see rudeness and attitude in a lot of threads on here where it is absolutely uncalled for.

This is another way I look at it , just like when someone steals from a store , shoplifting for example , we all end up paying for it in the end , higher prices, less of a product we like and so forth.

It is the same in the casinos eyes , they take huge risks taking deposits , there are chargebacks , players whos only intent is to commit fraud against the casino , then we have those groups of advantage players who study the art of beating the casinos online , just like in the B/M casinos.

When this happens , it costs the online players in alot of ways , less depositing options , less monthly bonuses , less money for alot of things we decent online players love and deserve for being loyal , rule abiding patrons.

No one has been what would be called rude in this thread , just stating some in the face facts that made some not so comfy !! There is no suger coating on CM , thats what F/B and myspace are for

Laurie

 

[Andy Walker]

This is another way I look at it , just like when someone steals from a store , shoplifting for example , we all end up paying for it in the end , higher prices, less of a product we like and so forth.

It is the same in the casinos eyes , they take huge risks taking deposits , there are chargebacks , players whos only intent is to commit fraud against the casino , then we have those groups of advantage players who study the art of beating the casinos online , just like in the B/M casinos.

When this happens , it costs the online players in alot of ways , less depositing options , less monthly bonuses , less money for alot of things we decent online players love and deserve for being loyal , rule abiding patrons.

No one has been what would be called rude in this thread , just stating some in the face facts that made some not so comfy !! There is no suger coating on CM , thats what F/B and myspace are for

Laurie

Laurie,

Please promise me one thing and I will love you forever "Stop inserting spaces after commas"

This is all I ask

 

[Cleveland]

I post when I have an opinion on a matter or a problem of my own, not to troll or pass judgement on people who I don't even knows credibility.

Yes I'm well aware it must be annoying having to answer things over and over, but that isn't whats been happening in this thread. From my point of view a player has been accused of being an fraudster for opening multiple forum accounts which I don't think is right. I am not privvy to the ID submitted or the original PAB but a casino taking money from a player, taking his wagers, using what look to me like stalling tactics over payout then only refunding the original deposit is completely wrong in my eyes. They took the money & the wagers believing they were legit so its a little convenient they are accused of not being legit when it comes to paying out.

Max & Bryan have made their position clear on all this mainly based on the fact multiple forum accounts were opened by the player & its their site, their rules.

"If you want respect you have to give it" I couldn't agree more with this statement however I see rudeness and attitude in a lot of threads on here where it is absolutely uncalled for.

It's not simply "opening multiple forum accounts." It's getting banned multiple times, and sneaking back on the site multiple times. How do we trust someone who has that sort of history? That's called being a liar and a cheat. They ban people for a reason, they don't expect those people to then create new forum accounts. If someone lies to you about one thing of importance, why would you then believe them about another?

If you can't state the facts directly as is, then your opinion doesn't matter in this or any other thread....which that would be my opinion. What you see as rudeness I see as blunt and honest. I'll take blunt and honest over fluff any day. Take topoor in this thread for example. All of his statements are wrapped up in what I would consider smoke screens and fluff. Using statements / phrases that tug at the heart strings of humanity to hide the fact that you too (him) have an agenda. Big surprise he too was found to have been banned from here multiple times.

It's simple. He was BANNED from here multiple times. He shouldn't be here. If you want to know if the casino is right or wrong, then start a new thread, play there and test them out, do whatever. But this thread has clearly run it's course, and even if the casino was wrong in this incident, the player still deserves nothing from this site in the way of help as he isn't suppose to be here using the PAB service.

 

[Cleveland]

No one has been what would be called rude in this thread , just stating some in the face facts that made some not so comfy !! There is no suger coating on CM , thats what F/B and myspace are for

Laurie

Beauty of it is.....if you don't want to eat at my house stop coming over for Sunday dinner.


.....Not you though Laurie, extra bedroom waiting

 

[questa]

Blimey.

Well it looks like we will have to err on the side of caution and avoid this casino, since the question of whether they robbed the player or not will never be answered.

Shame really

 

[lnspin]

Laurie,

Please promise me one thing and I will love you forever "Stop inserting spaces after commas"

This is all I ask

Off Topic But when you type your supposed to insert one space after a comma, and two spaces after a period. Thanks

 

[skiny]

I post when I have an opinion on a matter or a problem of my own, not to troll or pass judgement on people who I don't even knows credibility.

Yes I'm well aware it must be annoying having to answer things over and over, but that isn't whats been happening in this thread. From my point of view a player has been accused of being an fraudster for opening multiple forum accounts which I don't think is right. I am not privvy to the ID submitted or the original PAB but a casino taking money from a player, taking his wagers, using what look to me like stalling tactics over payout then only refunding the original deposit is completely wrong in my eyes. They took the money & the wagers believing they were legit so its a little convenient they are accused of not being legit when it comes to paying out.

Max & Bryan have made their position clear on all this mainly based on the fact multiple forum accounts were opened by the player & its their site, their rules.

"If you want respect you have to give it" I couldn't agree more with this statement however I see rudeness and attitude in a lot of threads on here where it is absolutely uncalled for.

I haven't really been following this thread in it's entirety. Mostly skimming it from time to time but there's something people should remember when they're dicking around on this site. Bryan doesn't work for these casinos. Max is not a casino employee. If you have a problem at one of these casinos and you're a member of this forum they'll do you a favour and take a second look. They have a relationship with some of these casinos where by the casino allows them to look at the situation and respects their opinions. But in the end this is still just a favour by a third party with no stake in the outcome what so ever.

Now, if a person is going to troll around the forum with multiple accounts nobody here is obligated to help this person regardless of whether or not the casino is right or wrong. Casinos that withhold or delay payments are not always being dishonest. Sometimes there are issues that need to be addressed and sometimes casinos just drop the ball. If a person wants help from anyone at this forum to sort the problem out they certainly can't expect it if you're spent most of your time here breaking rules and being a pain in the ass.

It doesn't matter if somebody broke rules at a casino or not because nobody here has to help anyone either way. You can't piss people off and then ask for their time and resources for free. Nobody here is entitled to them but if you show some respect they're usually happy to offer.

I don't really know what the whole story is here but apparently a casino didn't pay someone but if their behaviour here cost them any chance at getting some assistance from Bryan or Max, tough. Go join another forum and mind your manners.

 

[Andy Walker]

Off Topic But when you type your supposed to insert one space after a comma, and two spaces after a period. Thanks

I do not agree and where this use of English grammar is allowed is beyond me. That is my opinion "period" or even "full stop".

 

[Andy Walker]

I haven't really been following this thread in it's entirety. Mostly skimming it from time to time but there's something people should remember when they're dicking around on this site. Bryan doesn't work for these casinos. Max is not a casino employee. If you have a problem at one of these casinos and you're a member of this forum they'll do you a favour and take a second look. They have a relationship with some of these casinos where by the casino allows them to look at the situation and respects their opinions. But in the end this is still just a favour by a third party with no stake in the outcome what so ever.

Now, if a person is going to troll around the forum with multiple accounts nobody here is obligated to help this person regardless of whether or not the casino is right or wrong. Casinos that withhold or delay payments are not always being dishonest. Sometimes there are issues that need to be addressed and sometimes casinos just drop the ball. If a person wants help from anyone at this forum to sort the problem out they certainly can't expect it if you're spent most of your time here breaking rules and being a pain in the ass.

It doesn't matter if somebody broke rules at a casino or not because nobody here has to help anyone either way. You can't piss people off and then ask for their time and resources for free. Nobody here is entitled to them but if you show some respect they're usually happy to offer.

I don't really know what the whole story is here but apparently a casino didn't pay someone but if their behaviour here cost them any chance at getting some assistance from Bryan or Max, tough. Go join another forum and mind your manners.

May I have blueberry muffins with that and a side order of pickles, perhaps an odd combination but apt.

 

[lnspin]

I do not agree and where this use of English grammar is allowed is beyond me. That is my opinion "period" or even "full stop".

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[skiny]

May I have blueberry muffins with that and a side order of pickles, perhaps an odd combination but apt.

Sure but don't blame me if it makes your morning sickness worse.

 

[maxd]

... a player has been accused of being an fraudster for opening multiple forum accounts which I don't think is right.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion but you also need to be familiar with the Posting Rules:

1.9 - Do not register an account fraudulently. Fraudulent accounts are defined as accounts created specifically to flame others (hiding behind a mask of anonymity), or accounts opened primarily to spam the board, act as shills, as trolls, or any other anti-social behavior. Do not register more than one account in the forum. Additional accounts will be deemed as bogus, and you may find yourself out on the sidewalk lying on your back staring at the stars. ...

1.10 - Members who commit player fraud (chargebacks, fake accounts, gnoming, multiple accounts, etc.) will be banned from the forum.

There seems to be the impression that creating multiple accounts and lying about your identity here on the forums is no big deal. This is a mistake, we obviously take it quite seriously. Furthermore, trying to low-ball forum fraud also happens to be very convenient for the casino cheats and fraudsters who are trying to get onto the forums in order to influence their casino issues, usually cheat and fraud related (surprise! surprise!).

The point is that we're talking about people who have abused the privileges the forum offers and were given the boot for very good reasons. That they might later have a moan about a casino is typically not something we could, should or would have any interest in. Sure they might be innocent of the casino's accusations but who gives a damn? They have proven themselves to be liars and fraudsters here, why should be believe that they'd behave any better elsewhere?

If I showed up at your place and abused the shit out of your house and hospitality why should you care if I come around the next day complaining that I have an owie? Generally speaking you'd be unwise if you did because the chances are that I'm just back to dish out more abuse to you and yours, if you let me. Any reasonable person will, at some point, sever the toxic relationship and withdraw from further contact. Same here. The forum fraudsters can take their owies -- real, fake or imagined -- elsewhere.

(sorry, took so bloody long typing that up that others said it sooner and probably better. whatever, not going to delete it now, gorramit!)

 

[LaurieJim]

Laurie,

Please promise me one thing and I will love you forever "Stop inserting spaces after commas"

This is all I ask

LMAO !!! I type like you and I are sitting here at my bar and having a conversation !!!

Not a Drama Queen , Just a Comma Queen ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,LOL
Laurie

 

[skiny]

(sorry, took so bloody long typing that up that others said it sooner and probably better. whatever, not going to delete it now, gorramit!)

The best is when you're midway through typing your response and the phone rings and by the time you're off the phone and post the comment 18 more comments show up in between. Like you've singled out this one random post and nothing after it mattered.

 

[dionysus]

The best is when you're midway through typing your response and the phone rings and by the time you're off the phone and post the comment 18 more comments show up in between. Like you've singled out this one random post and nothing after it mattered.

I hate when writing a long, thought-out post, then hitting enter, and the page doesn't load, then going back and it's a blank text box
sigh

 

[maxd]

The best is when you're midway through typing your response and the phone rings and by the time you're off the phone and post the comment 18 more comments show up in between. Like you've singled out this one random post and nothing after it mattered.

Yeah, been there. And when I'm juggling PABs and forum stuff and so forth I've usually got the attention span of a gnat. I'm just lucky that the bog is at the other end of the apartment or I'd be sitting here doing something really inappropriate for an office chair and trying to find the flush button.

I hate when writing a long, thought-out post, then hitting enter, and the page doesn't load, then going back and it's a blank text box
sigh

Doesn't always do what you want but try the "Recover auto-backup" button at the bottom left of the edit box. Saved my arse more than once.

 

[KasinoKing]

Laurie,

Please promise me one thing and I will love you forever "Stop inserting spaces after commas"

This is all I ask

You mean stop inserting spaces BEFORE commas, surely?

KK

 

[skiny]

Yeah, been there. And when I'm juggling PABs and forum stuff and so forth I've usually got the attention span of a gnat. I'm just lucky that the bog is at the other end of the apartment or I'd be sitting here doing something really inappropriate for an office chair and trying to find the flush button.

 

[maxd]

That's pretty much it!

Also happens to be a good picture of where this thread has gone.

 

[Fiona5522]

I HAVE A QUESTION

Why would someone want multiple accounts on casinomeister?? Sorry new to this and I do not get it.

 

[IanO]

You mean stop inserting spaces BEFORE commas, surely?

KK

I looked it up to be sure. The rules are no spaces before a comma, one space after a comma, and five commas before a chameleon. Hope that helps.

 

[BingoT]

Why would someone want multiple accounts on casinomeister?? Sorry new to this and I do not get it.

Because they want to be an.......LOL
Many people do have a multiple personality thing going on.

 

[skiny]

Why would someone want multiple accounts on casinomeister?? Sorry new to this and I do not get it.

Sometimes it's easier to garner support from yourself than it is from other members. If you can't find someone to agree with you make someone up. You might also have tarnished your own reputation so you want to start over... and tarnish a new one.

Someone asked me at work one day "Do you always talk to yourself?"

I said "Only when I want an intelligent answer."