1. Follow Casinomeister on Twitter | Facebook | YouTube | Casinomeister.us US Residents Click here! |  Svenska Svenska | 
Dismiss Notice
REGISTER NOW!! Why? Because you can't do diddly squat without having been registered!

At the moment you have limited access to view most discussions: you can't make contact with thousands of fellow players, affiliates, casino reps, and all sorts of other riff-raff.

Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join Casinomeister here!

Fortyplus Casino

Discussion in 'Online Casino and Poker Complaints - old section' started by Casinomeister, Dec 5, 2003.

  1. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    I've finally gotten through to the CEO of Oddson, who reaffirms that Fortyplus casino went under. I should be talking to him shortly on the phone to find out is there is any recourse for players.

    Fortyplus Casino was "licensed" in Costa Rica by the way.
     
  2. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    As it looks right now, players will probably be left in the cold on this one. The software provider is taking the postion that they provide the software, and that's about it. I'm rather flustered at this point since I have always thought that Oddson was better equipped both technically and ethically to deal with situations like this.

    I really hope they pull themselves out of this nosedive before things get worse.
     
  3. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    It is an absolute recipe for disaster for any serious turnkey provider to think that they can simply wash their hands of failed casinos that leave stiffed players in their wake.

    I too hope that Gagnon and his crew at Odds On have more business sense than to leave the status quo like this - they are asking for major consumer resistance and a perhaps terminally damaged reputation.

    Their remaining licensees will not be happy with this attitude, either.

    Perhaps on reflection they will decide to behave in a more current and responsible fashion.

    Does anyone have information on the real owners of Forty Plus btw? Can they be hunted down?
     
  4. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Believe me, its' not the last word just because ODDS ON SOFTWARE says they're not going to see that the debt's of Forty Plus are honored.

    First off they (ODDS ON) had better come up with some fast and straight answers incident to Forty Plus's impound or reserve account that is held and controlled by Odds On.

    Secondly, a very thorough list of players as well as the amounts owed to those players needs to be compiled and memorialized.

    Third a list of ANY and ALL ODDS ON SOFTWARE LICENSEES (no Cherry Picking) all of them needs to be compiled and published along with an alert to avoid those casinos as though they carried the plague.

    Fourth, every player on this Forum (or any other FORUM for that matter) needs to start taking this "BS" personally and as if the money that's been stolen is their own. Have a good one.

    Cipher
     
  5. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Well said, Cipher. This issue is definitely going to escalate as word gets out of Odds On's incredibly unprofessional approach to the Forty Plus affair.
     
  6. portia

    portia Dormant account

    Have always enjoyed playing at Odds On powered casinos but being out of pocket for trusting the Odds-On brand in the case of Forty Plus makes me feel bitter and dumb for playing at these places now.

    Presently the Surviving Odds On / virtual exchange powered casinos are :

    Englishharbour
    Silverdollar
    CaribbeanGold
    Aposte
    AllPoker
    Superslots
    Millionaire
    Casinobleublancrouge

    Are player deposits safe at Odds on powered casinos these days?

    We know times have been tough, and they cannot afford to offer much in promos anymore - how solid are they now?

    For nostalgic players a list of Failed odds on casinos would include :

    Casino365
    Beawinner
    Orioncasino
    Magiclampcasino
    Northshorecasino
    Blackjack.com
    VegasPlayercasino

    And Now FortyPlus Casino ... BUT ...

    Has something changed for the worse over at Odds On / Virtual exchange?

    Cause i recall when these other casinos went down that players were paid weeks or months after they closed down. It seemed like Odds - On had prudently held some casino cash in reserve in case of failure. But now with Fortyplus we're told that the well is dry - tuff luck? Makes a player feel like he's been sucker punched.

    What's that expression? Fool me once ...

    You would figure that an experienced SW provider - to protect the value of his brand name - would require a casino operater to put up funds just to avoid the operator skipping out and leaving players stranded.

    It also makes you wonder what the financial requirements are to purchase an odds on casino? Are they allowing under funded casinos to open up now?

    Even though the games are good and the csr's are very good, maybe the Odds on management are tipping their hand that it ain't safe to play here anymore?

    Sure hope not.

    [If anyone wants to repost this elsewhere, go ahead]


    (Message edited by portia on December 06, 2003)
     
  7. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    That's a useful post, Portia.
     
  8. amandajm

    amandajm Experienced Member

    Undertones here are if a software supplier does'nt cover errant licensee debts then software supplier is full of shite.

    Well i agree.

    A list of suppliers who do this as far as i know stretches to..

    Microgaming
    Cryptologic
    Cassava ??


    (Message edited by amandajm on December 06, 2003)
     
  9. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Portia, that is a very well put together post. Have a good one.

    Cipher
     
  10. lanidar

    lanidar Dormant account

    Portia

    In your personal opinion...do YOU think its safe to deposit in any of the casinos listed below?

    I play in Englishharbour, Silverdollar, CaribbeanGold and Casinobleublancrouge.

    Lanidar
     
  11. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

    Please, guys, I am trying to negotiate this still.

    Perhaps I should have publicized my attempts to do this better.

    Anyone seeking help in this situation - please write to me at This email is not visible to you.

    The situation does not look rosy, but please don't burn my bridges while I still hold out some hope to resolve this.

    I am negotiating for both players and affiliates who are hurt by this.

    I expect no further news of progress until sometime in the second half of this month.

    I will post all progress - please do NOT deluge me with mail, just send me your complaints and check back here for news.

    I will contact all injured parties back by mail if and when I need more than the basic information about what happened. So if you see mail from me - it's a good thing.

    Cross your fingers!
     
  12. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Dominique, I would seriously advise you that these people at Odds On Software are out of time.

    To even think about letting this matter fester until sometime in the second half of the month is absolute lunacy.

    Cipher
     
  13. jinnia

    jinnia Dormant account

    Dominique,

    You still haven't been able to make contact with Alan? Pierre? Any response at all from anyone on this?

    Odds On and Fortyplus are the only ones I see burning bridges here.
     
  14. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

    I am pursuing this in a way that is a bit unusual. I saw an opening and I am going to explore it.

    Nothing will happen until the second part of the month, and no pushing can change that.

    I am not prepared to talk about what I am doing, and I really don't like the publicity in the first place. But alas, I need players and affiliates to know that there is a possibility of redress so that I can collect cases.

    I hope everyone will have submitted their claims by mid month.

    Thank you for your understanding - the point here is to try to help the aggrieved parties. A small chance is better than none at all.

    I will post news when I have them.

    And Bryan - I hope you don't mind my posting about this here. This is Casino Meister land - and I hope I am within your rules.
     
  15. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    QUOTE
    "I am pursuing this in a way that is a bit unusal. I saw an opening and I'm going to explore it."

    Least I remind you Dominique there are people involved in this failure of Forty Plus Casino with tens of thousands of dollars at stake and it is time that legal counsel be involved instead of someone who appears to be more concerned about any affiliates that might be "hurt".
     
  16. jinnia

    jinnia Dormant account

    I agree with you 100% cipher!!
     
  17. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Hi Dominique,

    I don't think you have to worry about any negotiations being jeopordized here since I was the one who initiated this thread. I only feel that players should be aware that I, and a number of others, are quite frankly miffed at the handling of this matter by Oddson. Please bear in mind that a number of players have "pitched" their "bitches" so to speak here. Probably some of the same who have been contacting you.

    As for trusting other Oddson casinos, this is my take:

    The Fortyplus casino manager (what a lame name to begin with anyway), decided to market his casino via message boards. This has always drawn up red flags in my mind since most people in the industry are aware that only about 7-10% of the players ever go there: message boards. This seemed to me a bit amaturish, or perhaps the manager/operator was familiar with the boards himself being a member under a different guise or whatever.

    He approached me and asked for my rates for being listed here. I sent them before checking him out, but when I realised that he did not have a gaming license (Costa Rican licensed :eek2: ), I turned him down. At this point, it would be the licensing agency who would be answering to the players/software provider.

    It seems to me that the Fortyplus manager was inexperienced and financially ill-equipped to run a casino. As opposed to the operations of the English Harbour group, the difference is like night and day.

    The English Harbour group has been around since the git-go, so they have a shitload of experience under their belt. So far over the past few years they have managed themselves quite well and are very successful at what they do. I am sure at this point they are infuriated on how Oddson is handling this situation since this is throwing a lot of shit their way that they don't deserve. As for licensing, they have a gaming license from Antigua. There is a certain value to this since there are some controlling factors to maintain this license. The director has a semi-high profile, he is even a member of this forum; so perhaps he is in the loop as to what is going on here.

    In a nutshell, I'll be damned if the English Harbor group gets diminished in anyway, and it should behoove Oddson to wake up and do the right thing.
     
  18. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

    Bryan, the weather must be just as lousy in Kuepps as it is here for you to make a weekend appearance so quickly.

    As usual, you are right, right, and right again.
    I, too, have always held English Harbour in high regard.

    As you know, I don't normally get involved in these things unless one of my visitors complains to me, then I help this person.

    You mentioned that only a small percentage of players visits the boards - alas - it is so and it makes you wonder how many aggrieved parties are really out there. For that reason, it may well be a good thing that Alan mostly spammed boards to get players. At least it keeps the victim numbers down a little.

    That is one of the reasons why I confine myself to my own site as a rule - players wo visit me are often much more naive than those here. They are recreational gamblers, and actually one main problem they have is that they don't understand bonuses at all. They deposit their money, play what they like, and if it's BJ and they win they find out they can't get paid because there was a wr they were not aware of. They don't want to read or count hands or play games they don't like - they just want to play what they like to play and win what they win. The more I write to try to explain about this, the less it gets read. These people lose money owed to them all the time, and there is no recourse for them at all. I believe that is where most all casinos, honest or not, rake in an incredible amount of money they should not. But I have no solution to offer but a total redo of the bonus system, and I digress.

    I want to try something a little bit different here, and it is only a little over one more week until midmonth. After I try what I want to try, I will go back home and stay there like a good girl. (yeah, right!)

    I won't be spamming your board about this anymore, I just wanted people to know that something is still happening.

    Cipher, your remark about affiliates is uncalled for. I am not prejudiced in that way. If there were lizards among the victims, they would also be included. I am not doing this for players and excluding affiliates, nor the other way around. I don't see what difference it makes, if you got screwed you got screwed.

    Ok, I will crawl back into my hole now.

    Thank you, Bryan, for allowing me to post.
     
  19. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

    Oh, sorry, one more thing Bryan.

    When we meet in Amsterdam I will buy you a couple of beers and will listen attentively while you tell me "I told you so, I told you so, I told you so......." :beer:
     
  20. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Dominique, in no way do I mean to impugn your integrity and if you feel as though I attempted to in anyway you have my sincere apologies.

    Dominique I'm from the "OLD SCHOOL" or so to speak when it comes to Casinos and/or Software Providers stealing money "any bodies" money I consider it as though they are ripping me off.

    When a circumstance such as this Forty Plus fiasco rears it's ugly head you can take it to the bank that it is not going to be a "fair" fight, as I've learned to come at these Casinos and Software providers with nothing short of OVERWHELMING FORCE, as that's the only thing that they and their attorneys understand. Have a good one.

    Cipher
     

Share This Page