Fortyplus Casino
- Thread starter The Dude
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Don't expect any help from the Antigua Gaming Commission,they will acknowledge that they received your complaint like the one I filed against Intertops on Nov. 6th and you will not hear anything else.Americans are better off if they gamble where they may have some legal rights and not with establishments outside U.S. There is a reason they move out of the jurisdiction of the U.S.I had a legimate complaint and contacted lawyers and goverment agencies with no response at all.Gambling brings in too much money to Belize and the goverment turns a deaf ear to complaints.I sent email to at least a dozen lawyers in Belize without one response.I guess as long as we Americans send money over there they will take it and I really mean take it.If you never have a complaint against your casino investigated by the governing agency why should your games be fair?Please take my advice gamble where you may get some help if you think that the game you are playing is unfair.Gamble at your own risk when you play at Casinos located in Belize or under the Goverment of Antigua,there will be no help in the case of a dispute.
jrouse, what you say may be true, but if gamblers elect not to take steps to call the attention of the licensing authorities to bad casino or software provider behaviour how are they going to know about it?
Belize is pretty low profile, but Antigua is the opposite with Ron Maginley and others involved in the jurisdictional side making statements at international conferences and in the media that they will genuinely take up complaints. And they are currently embroiled in a WTO fight with the USA which may make them more player sensitive.
I think it is always worth giving it a go as a tactic used together with other measures - and it is more likely to attract attention if enough complaints come in about a particular outfit.
Belize is pretty low profile, but Antigua is the opposite with Ron Maginley and others involved in the jurisdictional side making statements at international conferences and in the media that they will genuinely take up complaints. And they are currently embroiled in a WTO fight with the USA which may make them more player sensitive.
I think it is always worth giving it a go as a tactic used together with other measures - and it is more likely to attract attention if enough complaints come in about a particular outfit.
- Joined
- Jun 30, 1998
- Location
- Bierland
This just in from Oddson:
To all players of FortyPlus Casino,
We at Odds On are distressed with what has occurred with FortyPlus Casino. We are also owed money by this casino and can sympathize with the players who are owed monies. Therefore, we have engaged in an intensive search for the player database and are making best efforts to contact the owners of FortyPlus in the hopes of reaching a resolution to this situation.
At this time, we would ask all players with an existing balance at FortyPlus to send an email with their complete player account details (name, address, email, ID and telephone number), method of payment and their last balance to [email protected]. We ask that you provide the same information as the information that would be on record on the FortyPlus database.
If we are able to acquire FortyPlus player database records to confirm the player information we receive, and we are able to contact the owners of FortyPlus, we hope to use this information to compel FortyPlus to remit monies owed to their players. This may take some time and we ask for your patience.
As we are not in control of the FortyPlus website, we are unable to post this information on that website.
OddsOn
To all players of FortyPlus Casino,
We at Odds On are distressed with what has occurred with FortyPlus Casino. We are also owed money by this casino and can sympathize with the players who are owed monies. Therefore, we have engaged in an intensive search for the player database and are making best efforts to contact the owners of FortyPlus in the hopes of reaching a resolution to this situation.
At this time, we would ask all players with an existing balance at FortyPlus to send an email with their complete player account details (name, address, email, ID and telephone number), method of payment and their last balance to [email protected]. We ask that you provide the same information as the information that would be on record on the FortyPlus database.
If we are able to acquire FortyPlus player database records to confirm the player information we receive, and we are able to contact the owners of FortyPlus, we hope to use this information to compel FortyPlus to remit monies owed to their players. This may take some time and we ask for your patience.
As we are not in control of the FortyPlus website, we are unable to post this information on that website.
OddsOn
- Joined
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- Location
- Bierland
For those players who have contacted me, I will forward your player information to [email protected] requesting that they contact you for confirmation.
Just on a month after the Forty Plus failure and after a determined silence until the media started getting interested and a third party indicated a possible embarrassing lifeline, Odds On now issue a public statement - their first *official* comment.
Unfortunately, it still does not meet their obligations to players and does not take us very much further forward. And I for one have trouble believing this bs "we know nothing" stuff - no provider can be that negligent.
BTW, Bryan poster Dominique is claiming on another site that she is going to merge her complaints with yours and that the figure owed by Forty Plus may be considerably higher.
Any chance of posting what the revised figure is once you have that worked out? There are several interested parties here who would appreciate that information as they continue to monitor this extraordinary affair.
Unfortunately, it still does not meet their obligations to players and does not take us very much further forward. And I for one have trouble believing this bs "we know nothing" stuff - no provider can be that negligent.
BTW, Bryan poster Dominique is claiming on another site that she is going to merge her complaints with yours and that the figure owed by Forty Plus may be considerably higher.
Any chance of posting what the revised figure is once you have that worked out? There are several interested parties here who would appreciate that information as they continue to monitor this extraordinary affair.
Jorge Barahona Speaks Out on Casino Forty Plus Matter
To all players,
First I would like to mention that I am glad to be
able to communicate with all of you thru this site. I
have not been able to contact any of you, because I
could not kept any personal information of any of our
players, only their account numbers and the amount of
money owed. I am willing to cooperate in everything
that I can in order to clear this matter as soon as
possible.
I also believe that the least I can do is provide you
all with an explanation of how and why Forty Plus is
not available anymore. I was hired to start this new
casino operation, based on my previous experience,
unfortunately the investor of the operation decided to
close it, according to him, simply because the
software does not work the way it was supposed to. The
entire casino staff was fired at the end of October,
including myself and the local office was closed at
the end of November; all the assets were sold in order
to pay the local responsibilities, such as taxes,
employees salaries and any other corresponding
amounts. At the moment of its closure, I was not able
to contact any of you and inform you in how to
proceed.
However, since I have been in this industry for a
while, I feel that I have a personal and professional
commitment to all the players that came into the
casino and deposited their hard earned money trusting
me and my staff, I would like to inform you all that
what I can do is try and return the original amount
deposited to all the players that money is owed to in
the next 180 days. This is because I have to follow
procedures that are established by the payment
methods. I cannot promise to pay any winnings because
I do not have the financial capability to do so,
simply because as many of you, I am only an employee
that depends on a monthly salary.
This situation, even though is not my fault, has
affected me, that is why, I will do whatever is on my
reach to solve it ASAP. I will also like to add, that
I, Jorge Barahona, do not owe any monies to Odds On,
as it was mentioned in one of the articles here. The
people of Odds On know that all the above statement is
true.
Once again, I would like to apologize for all this
inconvenience and I will commit to solve this matter
as soon as possible. You can reach me at the posted
e-mail address with your account number and your name
and any other queries you might have. Also, please
send your information at the email address that Odds
On posted ([email protected]) so I can coordinate
with them in how to proceed.
Sincerely,
Jorge Barahona/
InfoPowa is still awaiting a full reply to the following additional questions posed to Senor Barahona:
Thank you for your response.
Perhaps I might ask a few more questions?
1) Are you prepared to identify the investor who pulled the plug on Forty
Plus? Is he in Costa Rica or Canada? Would he be Marty Jensen?
2) Can you say why the players were not told the casino was closing and how
their accounts would be settled? Surely an email from management using the
casino's email facilities could have been organised - our information from
reliable sources is that players were just left stranded.
3) Odds On claim they do not have any information on the casino's operations
or its player database. Do you know where that database of Forty Plus
players is? Does Odds On have it? Where is Forty Plus's server/s and the
information on them?
4) Did you or the investor discuss the imminent closure of Forty Plus with
Pierre Gagnon or anyone else at Odds On? If so, what did they say?
5) Can you say how much was owed to players at the time of the closure?
6) Can you elaborate on what measures you are taking to have the unpaid
Forty Plus players paid? Who else is involved in this exercise? Is Odds On
involved? Has Odds On been in contact with you since the closure of Forty
Plus? Is money still owed to Odds On (for royalties etc)
7) Can you confirm that Forty Plus was not using the usual Odds On e-cash
processor?
8) Is there, as far as you know any ownership connection at all between
Forty Plus, Odds On or the English Harbour group of online casinos?
9) Did you use the alias of George Finley whilst you were a manager at Main
Street Vegas and Forty Plus?
10) What are your personal plans for the future?
Thanks
Brian Cullingworth
InfoPowa News
To all players,
First I would like to mention that I am glad to be
able to communicate with all of you thru this site. I
have not been able to contact any of you, because I
could not kept any personal information of any of our
players, only their account numbers and the amount of
money owed. I am willing to cooperate in everything
that I can in order to clear this matter as soon as
possible.
I also believe that the least I can do is provide you
all with an explanation of how and why Forty Plus is
not available anymore. I was hired to start this new
casino operation, based on my previous experience,
unfortunately the investor of the operation decided to
close it, according to him, simply because the
software does not work the way it was supposed to. The
entire casino staff was fired at the end of October,
including myself and the local office was closed at
the end of November; all the assets were sold in order
to pay the local responsibilities, such as taxes,
employees salaries and any other corresponding
amounts. At the moment of its closure, I was not able
to contact any of you and inform you in how to
proceed.
However, since I have been in this industry for a
while, I feel that I have a personal and professional
commitment to all the players that came into the
casino and deposited their hard earned money trusting
me and my staff, I would like to inform you all that
what I can do is try and return the original amount
deposited to all the players that money is owed to in
the next 180 days. This is because I have to follow
procedures that are established by the payment
methods. I cannot promise to pay any winnings because
I do not have the financial capability to do so,
simply because as many of you, I am only an employee
that depends on a monthly salary.
This situation, even though is not my fault, has
affected me, that is why, I will do whatever is on my
reach to solve it ASAP. I will also like to add, that
I, Jorge Barahona, do not owe any monies to Odds On,
as it was mentioned in one of the articles here. The
people of Odds On know that all the above statement is
true.
Once again, I would like to apologize for all this
inconvenience and I will commit to solve this matter
as soon as possible. You can reach me at the posted
e-mail address with your account number and your name
and any other queries you might have. Also, please
send your information at the email address that Odds
On posted ([email protected]) so I can coordinate
with them in how to proceed.
Sincerely,
Jorge Barahona/
InfoPowa is still awaiting a full reply to the following additional questions posed to Senor Barahona:
Thank you for your response.
Perhaps I might ask a few more questions?
1) Are you prepared to identify the investor who pulled the plug on Forty
Plus? Is he in Costa Rica or Canada? Would he be Marty Jensen?
2) Can you say why the players were not told the casino was closing and how
their accounts would be settled? Surely an email from management using the
casino's email facilities could have been organised - our information from
reliable sources is that players were just left stranded.
3) Odds On claim they do not have any information on the casino's operations
or its player database. Do you know where that database of Forty Plus
players is? Does Odds On have it? Where is Forty Plus's server/s and the
information on them?
4) Did you or the investor discuss the imminent closure of Forty Plus with
Pierre Gagnon or anyone else at Odds On? If so, what did they say?
5) Can you say how much was owed to players at the time of the closure?
6) Can you elaborate on what measures you are taking to have the unpaid
Forty Plus players paid? Who else is involved in this exercise? Is Odds On
involved? Has Odds On been in contact with you since the closure of Forty
Plus? Is money still owed to Odds On (for royalties etc)
7) Can you confirm that Forty Plus was not using the usual Odds On e-cash
processor?
8) Is there, as far as you know any ownership connection at all between
Forty Plus, Odds On or the English Harbour group of online casinos?
9) Did you use the alias of George Finley whilst you were a manager at Main
Street Vegas and Forty Plus?
10) What are your personal plans for the future?
Thanks
Brian Cullingworth
InfoPowa News
Let's looks at Barahona's assurance to players I have posted above, which has a few holes in it imo:
1) Forty Plus is hoping to get away with just returning player deposits in respect of complaints forwarded to Odds On's service email.
2) Barahona clearly has control and access to the e-processor deposits from which (once they are released) there would be more than enough to pay the 11 or 12 complaining players the estimated $15-$20K they are owed and not merely return deposits.
3) Barahona has the Forty Plus player names, account numbers and amounts owing, so ignorance of this by Odds On or anyone else is no longer an excuse.
4) Gagnon says that Odds On "were also victims" and they were trying to find the absconded Forty Plus owners. Barahona says he owes nothing to Odds On - and Gagnon now clearly knows where Barahona is and who he is because they have obviously been in contact.
5) The mysterious Marty Jensen is also apparently involved, because he has been considering taking on the Forty Plus players (deposits only) and admitted to Casinomeister that he had their details. How would he have that information? And Jorge Barahona alias George Finley once worked for Marty at Main Street Vegas.
6) Barahona is working with Odds On (note his recommendation that players use the Odds On service email address) So why are Odds On not communicating with the stiffed players?
7) No-one is coming clean on the identity and location of this mysterious "investor" who is getting the blame for closing Forty Plus down because he wasn't happy with Odds On's software. Could it be because it was Marty Jensen?
8) Barahona has still not satisfactorily explained why Forty Plus was closed (from a player perspective) in such an uncommunicative and unprofessional manner.
There remains a strong smell of bad conduct around here, folks - it needs to be dispelled with the clean air of further information and investigation.
1) Forty Plus is hoping to get away with just returning player deposits in respect of complaints forwarded to Odds On's service email.
2) Barahona clearly has control and access to the e-processor deposits from which (once they are released) there would be more than enough to pay the 11 or 12 complaining players the estimated $15-$20K they are owed and not merely return deposits.
3) Barahona has the Forty Plus player names, account numbers and amounts owing, so ignorance of this by Odds On or anyone else is no longer an excuse.
4) Gagnon says that Odds On "were also victims" and they were trying to find the absconded Forty Plus owners. Barahona says he owes nothing to Odds On - and Gagnon now clearly knows where Barahona is and who he is because they have obviously been in contact.
5) The mysterious Marty Jensen is also apparently involved, because he has been considering taking on the Forty Plus players (deposits only) and admitted to Casinomeister that he had their details. How would he have that information? And Jorge Barahona alias George Finley once worked for Marty at Main Street Vegas.
6) Barahona is working with Odds On (note his recommendation that players use the Odds On service email address) So why are Odds On not communicating with the stiffed players?
7) No-one is coming clean on the identity and location of this mysterious "investor" who is getting the blame for closing Forty Plus down because he wasn't happy with Odds On's software. Could it be because it was Marty Jensen?
8) Barahona has still not satisfactorily explained why Forty Plus was closed (from a player perspective) in such an uncommunicative and unprofessional manner.
There remains a strong smell of bad conduct around here, folks - it needs to be dispelled with the clean air of further information and investigation.
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- Location
- Bierland
It's funny (NOT) how I forwarded the player compliants to [email protected] on Wednesday, and they have yet to give me the courtesy of a response, even after I asked them to contact the players directly upon receipt of my email. As far as I know, they haven't been contacted either.
Sheesh!
Sheesh!
A poster at WOL has pointed out that contrary to Barahona's story about the Forty Plus staff firings posted earlier in this thread, he received emails with bs e-processor excuses for late payouts as far back as November - another indicator that we are not getting the whole truth on several levels in this affair.
I have had further comms with Snr. Barahona although he has not answered the list of questions I posted earlier yet.
He clearly retains some respect for Marty Jensen, and assures me that Jensen was in no way involved in Forty Plus. That still does not explain his alleged access to player information and apparent willingness to come out of left field to *help* the stiffed players in my opinion.
Barahona has promised more answers shortly, and again says that he wants to try and resolve these player issues as a personal priority. He is currently unemployed and looking for a new position in the industry.
I have had further comms with Snr. Barahona although he has not answered the list of questions I posted earlier yet.
He clearly retains some respect for Marty Jensen, and assures me that Jensen was in no way involved in Forty Plus. That still does not explain his alleged access to player information and apparent willingness to come out of left field to *help* the stiffed players in my opinion.
Barahona has promised more answers shortly, and again says that he wants to try and resolve these player issues as a personal priority. He is currently unemployed and looking for a new position in the industry.
Would Marty Jensen be Mike Jenson??
I searched the Odds On phone number :416 535 8282
and got this:
ICE 2002 - Virtual Exchange Online Inc
--------------------------------------------
Stand: 5569 (18m2)
Address: Millburn House
11 Old Parham Rd
St John's
Antigua
Contact: Mr Mike Jensen
001 416 535 8282
001 416 588 8568
[email protected]
The email above ([email protected]) came up with this information:
Registrant:
The ECX Company Inc. (ECXCOMPANY-DOM)
67 Mowat Ave. Suite 547
Toronto, Ontario M6K 3E3
CA
Domain Name: ECXCOMPANY.COM
Administrative Contact:
Billing, Billing (MDSXDDRYTI) [email protected]
67 Mowat Ave. Suite 547
Toronto, Ontario M6K 3E3
CA
416-5358282 fax: 123 123 1234
Technical Contact:
Administrator, Administrator (UGSQBKJJTI) [email protected]
ECX Company
67 Mowat Ave. suite 547
Toronto, ON M2R 2S7
CA
416-535-8282 fax: 123 123 1234
now take the email above, [email protected] ,
you get this::
Registrant:
Virtual One Inc. (KXWODPGESD)
Old Sealy Building
P.O.Box 3638
Airport Road
St. John's, AG 00000
AG
Domain Name: HOSTBYREMOTE.COM
Administrative Contact:
Hostbyremote.com (SEFBKMKVNO) [email protected]
Old Sealy Building
PO Box 3638, Airport Road
St. John's, na na
AG
268 481 1487 fax: 268 481 1487
Technical Contact:
Technical (TE2984-ORG) [email protected]
Old Sealy Building
PO Box 3638
St. John's, na na
AG
268 481 1487 fax: 268 481 1487
Record expires on 09-Jun-2006.
Record created on 09-Jun-2000.
Database last updated on 20-Dec-2003 23:39:56
So, Odds On number finds Mike (marty) Jensen at Odds On, also finds Virtual Exchange in Antiqua and Canada.
And the email to ECX in Canada finds it way back to Antiqua to a Virtual One Inc... ??????
I searched the Odds On phone number :416 535 8282
and got this:
ICE 2002 - Virtual Exchange Online Inc
--------------------------------------------
Stand: 5569 (18m2)
Address: Millburn House
11 Old Parham Rd
St John's
Antigua
Contact: Mr Mike Jensen
001 416 535 8282
001 416 588 8568
[email protected]
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Registrant:
The ECX Company Inc. (ECXCOMPANY-DOM)
67 Mowat Ave. Suite 547
Toronto, Ontario M6K 3E3
CA
Domain Name: ECXCOMPANY.COM
Administrative Contact:
Billing, Billing (MDSXDDRYTI) [email protected]
67 Mowat Ave. Suite 547
Toronto, Ontario M6K 3E3
CA
416-5358282 fax: 123 123 1234
Technical Contact:
Administrator, Administrator (UGSQBKJJTI) [email protected]
ECX Company
67 Mowat Ave. suite 547
Toronto, ON M2R 2S7
CA
416-535-8282 fax: 123 123 1234
now take the email above, [email protected] ,
you get this::
Registrant:
Virtual One Inc. (KXWODPGESD)
Old Sealy Building
P.O.Box 3638
Airport Road
St. John's, AG 00000
AG
Domain Name: HOSTBYREMOTE.COM
Administrative Contact:
Hostbyremote.com (SEFBKMKVNO) [email protected]
Old Sealy Building
PO Box 3638, Airport Road
St. John's, na na
AG
268 481 1487 fax: 268 481 1487
Technical Contact:
Technical (TE2984-ORG) [email protected]
Old Sealy Building
PO Box 3638
St. John's, na na
AG
268 481 1487 fax: 268 481 1487
Record expires on 09-Jun-2006.
Record created on 09-Jun-2000.
Database last updated on 20-Dec-2003 23:39:56
So, Odds On number finds Mike (marty) Jensen at Odds On, also finds Virtual Exchange in Antiqua and Canada.
And the email to ECX in Canada finds it way back to Antiqua to a Virtual One Inc... ??????
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Registrant Contact:
Virtual Exchange Online Inc.
Richard Hall ([email protected])
268 481 1415
Fax: 268 481 1413
Airport Road, P.O. Box W1143
St. John's, NA
AG
Administrative Contact:
Virtual Exchange Online Inc.
Richard Hall ([email protected])
268 481 1415
Fax: 268 481 1413
Airport Road, P.O. Box W1143
St. John's, NA
AG
Technical Contact:
Virtual Exchange Online Inc.
Richard Hall ([email protected])
268 481 1415
Fax: 268 481 1413
Airport Road, P.O. Box W1143
St. John's, NA
AG
Billing Contact:
Virtual Exchange Online Inc.
Richard Hall ([email protected])
268 481 1415
Fax: 268 481 1413
Airport Road, P.O. Box W1143
St. John's, NA
AG
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Virtual Exchange Online Inc.
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Airport Road, P.O. Box W1143
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Virtual Exchange Online Inc.
Richard Hall ([email protected])
268 481 1415
Fax: 268 481 1413
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AG
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Virtual Exchange Online Inc.
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- Joined
- Dec 12, 2000
Richard Hall's phone number is used at a lot of Odds On powered sites, such as English Harbour, because Virtual Exchange is a processor.
- Joined
- Dec 12, 2000
No such thing as a too long post!
You never know when some of this info will be useful in the future.
You never know when some of this info will be useful in the future.
I think I got all my information mixed up.. I was searching for Mike Jensen when I got the information above, NOT with the number at Odds On... Sorry!!
Not searching/posting nor sending any more information til I get all my files in order and numbered to correspond with each other. Don't want this happening again....
Not searching/posting nor sending any more information til I get all my files in order and numbered to correspond with each other. Don't want this happening again....
Ah, found my info.. I searched for Odds On Inc., came up with tihs:
ICE 2002 - Virtual Exchange Online Inc
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Stand: 5569 (18m2)
Address: Millburn House
11 Old Parham Rd
St John's
Antigua
Contact: Mr Mike Jensen
001 416 535 8282
001 416 588 8568
[email protected]
Products and/or Services
Key: Manufacturer Distributor Operator Parts/Accessories
Internet/On-line Gaming
Rest of information posted above is correct with this as an addition::
Headquarters:
67 Mowat Avenue
Suite 547
Toronto, Ontario M6K 3E3
Canada
Phone: (416) 535-8282
Fax: (416) 588-8568
Website: Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)
E-mail: [email protected]
Upper Management: Mr. Michael Jensen, Senior Manager of Business Development
[email protected]
Additional Information:
Parent Company: Virtual Exchange
ICE 2002 - Virtual Exchange Online Inc
-------------------------------
Stand: 5569 (18m2)
Address: Millburn House
11 Old Parham Rd
St John's
Antigua
Contact: Mr Mike Jensen
001 416 535 8282
001 416 588 8568
[email protected]
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Products and/or Services
Key: Manufacturer Distributor Operator Parts/Accessories
Internet/On-line Gaming
Rest of information posted above is correct with this as an addition::
Headquarters:
67 Mowat Avenue
Suite 547
Toronto, Ontario M6K 3E3
Canada
Phone: (416) 535-8282
Fax: (416) 588-8568
Website: Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)
E-mail: [email protected]
Upper Management: Mr. Michael Jensen, Senior Manager of Business Development
[email protected]
Additional Information:
Parent Company: Virtual Exchange
I suspect a stall. After some days delay Barahona has still not answered our questions, and today has the following to say regarding the unpaid players:
"On my behalf, I am trying to coordinate with Neteller
the payment of the customers, as I explained you, this
process might take up to 180 days because of their own
procedures, however, I might get an oficial statement
from them in which they asure the public that no
monies were withdrawal from the Neteller account, only
to pay the customers and also the procedure to follow
in this case, that way this matter will be clearer, as
soon as I get it, you will be the first person to
receive it.
Now, regarding the identity of the investor, I will be
providing you with all details as soon as I get some
aspects clear. I want to gather all the correct
information, so there will be no misunderstandings."
I'm not sure what he is referring to in the Neteller comment above, and I have pressed him for more detail. It sounds like some sort of security deposit deal but that is surely not how Neteller works, even from a merchant viewpoint? And unless he is the owner of Forty Plus I doubt that they will allow him to take money away.
His reticence in identifying the mystery investor whom he alleges is the real owner continues to make me suspicious.
Independent investigations outside Barahona continue. These will be particularly interesting once we have access to government material in the new year.
"On my behalf, I am trying to coordinate with Neteller
the payment of the customers, as I explained you, this
process might take up to 180 days because of their own
procedures, however, I might get an oficial statement
from them in which they asure the public that no
monies were withdrawal from the Neteller account, only
to pay the customers and also the procedure to follow
in this case, that way this matter will be clearer, as
soon as I get it, you will be the first person to
receive it.
Now, regarding the identity of the investor, I will be
providing you with all details as soon as I get some
aspects clear. I want to gather all the correct
information, so there will be no misunderstandings."
I'm not sure what he is referring to in the Neteller comment above, and I have pressed him for more detail. It sounds like some sort of security deposit deal but that is surely not how Neteller works, even from a merchant viewpoint? And unless he is the owner of Forty Plus I doubt that they will allow him to take money away.
His reticence in identifying the mystery investor whom he alleges is the real owner continues to make me suspicious.
Independent investigations outside Barahona continue. These will be particularly interesting once we have access to government material in the new year.
NOT SO FESTIVE FORTY PLUS
The digging continues whilst Odds On and former manager hold back
Where the stiffed Forty Plus Casino players are concerned, there wasn't a whole lot of seasonal goodwill from either Odds On software or former manager Jorge Barahona, who this week continued to hold out on information that might help players obtain satisfaction.
Odds On powered Forty Plus failed suddenly some six weeks back, leaving unpaid players in its wake as the management dived for cover after stalling players with stories of e-processor hassles being responsible for delayed payouts. It later transpired that they were obeying orders to fire and compensate staff and sell off assets at the same time.
Odds On President Pierre Gagnon has been disastrously uncommunicative in the affair, but finally shrugged off any responsibility to the players and claimed not to know what had been going on at the casino, or reveal who the owners are.
As we went to press last week a new name surfaced in Costa Rica - Jorge Barahona alias George Finley and InfoPowa has had several contacts with this individual since then.
Originally reported to have been the owner of Forty Plus, Barahona refutes that allegation and claims that although he had been the manager of the failed operation he was not the owner. Barahona had previously worked for the elusive Marty Jensen at Main Street Vegas Group where he was known as George Finley.
Barahona has not yet elaborated on the highly unprofessional shutdown other than to say he was following orders, but he claims to be negotiating with Neteller in an attempt to get players paid. He too has so far declined to identify the mysterious *investor* whom he alleges called all the shots at Forty Plus and fired him and fellow manager Alan Roberts when the operation failed.
Why everyone involved refuses to expose this individual who is alleged to be responsible for the Forty Plus debacle is mystifying...and not a little irresponsible.
Elsewhere, in the absence of any cooperation from Gagnon, journalists and others continue to investigate the connections between Odds On, Forty Plus, English Harbour group, IP Marketing and IP Devco and Beanfield Technologies. And the matter has been reported to Ron Maginley who heads up the Antigua Gaming authority where Odds On has offices. Maginley is studying the complaint before making an official statement.
The festive season has temporarily disrupted some lines of enquiry involving government departments that are on vacation, but these will be resumed early in the New Year.
The digging continues whilst Odds On and former manager hold back
Where the stiffed Forty Plus Casino players are concerned, there wasn't a whole lot of seasonal goodwill from either Odds On software or former manager Jorge Barahona, who this week continued to hold out on information that might help players obtain satisfaction.
Odds On powered Forty Plus failed suddenly some six weeks back, leaving unpaid players in its wake as the management dived for cover after stalling players with stories of e-processor hassles being responsible for delayed payouts. It later transpired that they were obeying orders to fire and compensate staff and sell off assets at the same time.
Odds On President Pierre Gagnon has been disastrously uncommunicative in the affair, but finally shrugged off any responsibility to the players and claimed not to know what had been going on at the casino, or reveal who the owners are.
As we went to press last week a new name surfaced in Costa Rica - Jorge Barahona alias George Finley and InfoPowa has had several contacts with this individual since then.
Originally reported to have been the owner of Forty Plus, Barahona refutes that allegation and claims that although he had been the manager of the failed operation he was not the owner. Barahona had previously worked for the elusive Marty Jensen at Main Street Vegas Group where he was known as George Finley.
Barahona has not yet elaborated on the highly unprofessional shutdown other than to say he was following orders, but he claims to be negotiating with Neteller in an attempt to get players paid. He too has so far declined to identify the mysterious *investor* whom he alleges called all the shots at Forty Plus and fired him and fellow manager Alan Roberts when the operation failed.
Why everyone involved refuses to expose this individual who is alleged to be responsible for the Forty Plus debacle is mystifying...and not a little irresponsible.
Elsewhere, in the absence of any cooperation from Gagnon, journalists and others continue to investigate the connections between Odds On, Forty Plus, English Harbour group, IP Marketing and IP Devco and Beanfield Technologies. And the matter has been reported to Ron Maginley who heads up the Antigua Gaming authority where Odds On has offices. Maginley is studying the complaint before making an official statement.
The festive season has temporarily disrupted some lines of enquiry involving government departments that are on vacation, but these will be resumed early in the New Year.
jetset said:
As we all know there is a Mike Jensen with the ECX company whose e-mail is: [email protected]. If you search that email, this is the information::
Domain:
Registrant:
The ECX Company Inc. (ECXCOMPANY-DOM)
67 Mowat Ave. Suite 547 ((which is also Oddson address))
Toronto, Ontario M6K 3E3
CA
Domain Name: ECXCOMPANY.COM
Administrative Contact:
Billing, Billing (MDSXDDRYTI) [email protected]
67 Mowat Ave. Suite 547
Toronto, Ontario M6K 3E3
CA
416-5358282 fax: 123 123 1234
Technical Contact:
Administrator, Administrator (UGSQBKJJTI) [email protected]
ECX Company
67 Mowat Ave. suite 547
Toronto, ON M2R 2S7
CA
416-535-8282 fax: 123 123 1234
Record expires on 03-Apr-2009.
Record created on 03-Apr-2001.
Database last updated on 3-Jan-2004 23:28:56 EST.
Domain servers in listed order:
DNS1.ECXCOMPANY.COM 66.207.204.3
DNS2.ECXCOMPANY.COM 66.207.204.4
[Whois Server]:whois.networksolutions.com
.............................................................................
searched e-mail above:: [email protected]
Domain:
Registrant:
Virtual One Inc. (KXWODPGESD)
Old Sealy Building
P.O.Box 3638
Airport Road
St. John's, AG 00000
AG
Domain Name: HOSTBYREMOTE.COM
Administrative Contact:
Hostbyremote.com (SEFBKMKVNO) [email protected]
Old Sealy Building
PO Box 3638, Airport Road
St. John's, na na
AG
268 481 1487 fax: 268 481 1487
Technical Contact:
Technical (TE2984-ORG) [email protected]
Old Sealy Building
PO Box 3638
St. John's, na na
AG
268 481 1487 fax: 268 481 1487
Record expires on 09-Jun-2006.
Record created on 09-Jun-2000.
Database last updated on 4-Jan-2004 00:01:35 EST.
Domain servers in listed order:
DNS1.CUR.HOSTBYREMOTE.COM 63.245.48.68
DNS2.CUR.HOSTBYREMOTE.COM 63.245.48.69
DNS3.HOSTBYREMOTE.COM 66.207.204.3
DNS4.HOSTBYREMOTE.COM 66.207.204.4
IP Location:
Beanfield Technologies Inc. BEANFIELD (NET-66-207-192-0-1)
66.207.192.0 - 66.207.223.255
IP Marketing Inc NETBLK-IPMKTG001 (NET-66-207-204-0-1)
66.207.204.0 - 66.207.204.63
- Joined
- Jun 30, 1998
- Location
- Bierland
Just a status report on my part:
On 17 December, I forwarded the 40+ player complaints/claims that I had to [email protected] (11 players, 1 affiliate). Oddson acknowledged the copy, and that was about it. I also requested that they would contact these players letting them know that Oddson had received their information.
Since then, only one player has been contacted with this informative and well worded email:
Hi,
Thanks for your email. We will contact you when we have further
information on this matter.
Sincerely,
Odds On
On 17 December, I forwarded the 40+ player complaints/claims that I had to [email protected] (11 players, 1 affiliate). Oddson acknowledged the copy, and that was about it. I also requested that they would contact these players letting them know that Oddson had received their information.
Since then, only one player has been contacted with this informative and well worded email:
Hi,
Thanks for your email. We will contact you when we have further
information on this matter.
Sincerely,
Odds On
- Joined
- Jun 30, 1998
- Location
- Bierland
I've just been assured telephonically that all legitimate claims will be taken care of by the end of this week. All players who were affected by the 40+ closure need to email [email protected] immediately if they haven't done so already.
- Joined
- Dec 9, 2003
- Location
- East coast
I received this early today.....
Hello,
We have received your player information and balances. We are currently
attempting to locate a copy of the 40 Plus database to confirm those
balances, and we will email you as soon as we have more information to
pass along to you.
Sincerely,
Odds On
Hello,
We have received your player information and balances. We are currently
attempting to locate a copy of the 40 Plus database to confirm those
balances, and we will email you as soon as we have more information to
pass along to you.
Sincerely,
Odds On
Odds On certainly do not have very good communication skills - unless they do not want too many claims coming in, of course.
Or could this be a another stall? Look at that key proviso "We are currently
attempting to locate a copy of the 40 Plus database to confirm those"
However, I do not want to be mean-spirited, and if Odds On are actually going to (at last) look after the stiffed Forty Plus players then I will be among the first to applaud that.
But why do they not communicate their intentions in full and openly?
Or could this be a another stall? Look at that key proviso "We are currently
attempting to locate a copy of the 40 Plus database to confirm those"
However, I do not want to be mean-spirited, and if Odds On are actually going to (at last) look after the stiffed Forty Plus players then I will be among the first to applaud that.
But why do they not communicate their intentions in full and openly?
Sent to Odds On today:
We have been following the Forty Plus affair and the fate of the stiffed players with some interest over the past two months.
Yesterday a portal claimed that Odds On had agreed to settle the outstanding payouts of the stiffed players by the end of this week.
We want to ensure that all perspectives of this unfortunate issue are represented and therefore would like answers to the following questions, please?
1) Is it true that Odds On is to pay out legit claims by the end of this week (ie Friday 9 January 2004) ?
2) Is Odds On paying these overdues, or have you managed to persuade the absconded owners to meet their obligations?
3) How much money is involved thus far?
4) Can you identify the owners of Forty Plus?
5) Why is Odds On not communicating this laudable breakthrough more widely? Surely it is in your interest to recover some of your reputation by communicating the fact that you have taken this responsible action?
6) Is there a deadline to your request that complainants email you?
7) Has Ron Maginley or one of the officials from the Antiguan jurisdiction been in contact with you regarding this matter?
We have been following the Forty Plus affair and the fate of the stiffed players with some interest over the past two months.
Yesterday a portal claimed that Odds On had agreed to settle the outstanding payouts of the stiffed players by the end of this week.
We want to ensure that all perspectives of this unfortunate issue are represented and therefore would like answers to the following questions, please?
1) Is it true that Odds On is to pay out legit claims by the end of this week (ie Friday 9 January 2004) ?
2) Is Odds On paying these overdues, or have you managed to persuade the absconded owners to meet their obligations?
3) How much money is involved thus far?
4) Can you identify the owners of Forty Plus?
5) Why is Odds On not communicating this laudable breakthrough more widely? Surely it is in your interest to recover some of your reputation by communicating the fact that you have taken this responsible action?
6) Is there a deadline to your request that complainants email you?
7) Has Ron Maginley or one of the officials from the Antiguan jurisdiction been in contact with you regarding this matter?
thesmacker
Most Annoying Forum Member of 2006
- Joined
- Jun 22, 2003
Even if they (Odds On) do refund all the owing money, which they have not done yet, the way in which they have handled this matter has been in extreme distaste. They have dodge any chance to come out in public and give players some insight on the matter, they have avoidied answering any questions regarding this matter and their ownership stakes and I'm sure would have tried to let this matter blow over if it wasn't for the persistence of certain players and webmasters alike. All in all Odds On looks extremlely bad whether they pay the players or not, I for one will never play at nor advertise any Odds On casino after watching the way they have dealt with this matter. I hope other players and webmasters will do the same so that they may realize that running their operations so amatuerishly and unprofessionally will not stand in this industry. Their inability to be accessible to the players in keeping them informed on this matter smells too much like RTG.
We at OddsOn would like to thank you for your
patience while we were trying to resolve the
Forty Plus Casino situation. Although we were not
successful in acquiring the database we have
been able to ascertain the legitimacy of your
claim.
English Harbour, our top licensee, has volunteered
its services and will be making your money available
at its casino.
Please respond to this email with a confirmation
and approve the transfer of information to English
Harbour, they will open an account in your name where
you may continue playing or withdraw the funds.
Once again we apologize for the inconvenience and
assure you that we have done everything in our power
to resolve this situation.
Thank you,
OddsOn
I am very pleased to see this positive (if belated) development and cannot understand why Odds On did not take this course right from the start.
The main thing is that the players get paid, hopefully.
1) It's taken them over two months to get this far but it is good to see that they are doing the right thing.
2) Does anyone believe their *missing database* story??? Guess it doesn't matter if the right people get paid.
3) Today is the 8 January - their deadline is 15 January. I would have thought a more generous deadline could have been set to ensure that as many stiffed players as possible are gathered in, especially in view of OO's dilatory approach to this problem.
patience while we were trying to resolve the
Forty Plus Casino situation. Although we were not
successful in acquiring the database we have
been able to ascertain the legitimacy of your
claim.
English Harbour, our top licensee, has volunteered
its services and will be making your money available
at its casino.
Please respond to this email with a confirmation
and approve the transfer of information to English
Harbour, they will open an account in your name where
you may continue playing or withdraw the funds.
Once again we apologize for the inconvenience and
assure you that we have done everything in our power
to resolve this situation.
Thank you,
OddsOn
I am very pleased to see this positive (if belated) development and cannot understand why Odds On did not take this course right from the start.
The main thing is that the players get paid, hopefully.
1) It's taken them over two months to get this far but it is good to see that they are doing the right thing.
2) Does anyone believe their *missing database* story??? Guess it doesn't matter if the right people get paid.
3) Today is the 8 January - their deadline is 15 January. I would have thought a more generous deadline could have been set to ensure that as many stiffed players as possible are gathered in, especially in view of OO's dilatory approach to this problem.
- Joined
- Jun 30, 1998
- Location
- Bierland
This was in my inbox this morning (plus a number of thanks from affected players - you're welcome!!)
To All Forty Plus Casino Players,
Thank you for your patience in the matter of Forty Plus
Casino. Although we have not been able to acquire the
player database we have been able to confirm some player
information from various sources. We have tried our best
to resolve this matter.
Arrangements are in place for legitimate players to send in
their claims which if confirmed will be resolved.
The final date for submitting unpaid claims for Forty Plus
Casino is January 15th, 2004. All claims must include the
following information, exactly as used at the time of
registration with the casino:
Account Number
Method of payment
Amount Owed
Full Name
Address
Telephone Number
Email
Please email this information to [email protected] before
January 15th.
Once again we thank you for your patience,
OddsOn
To All Forty Plus Casino Players,
Thank you for your patience in the matter of Forty Plus
Casino. Although we have not been able to acquire the
player database we have been able to confirm some player
information from various sources. We have tried our best
to resolve this matter.
Arrangements are in place for legitimate players to send in
their claims which if confirmed will be resolved.
The final date for submitting unpaid claims for Forty Plus
Casino is January 15th, 2004. All claims must include the
following information, exactly as used at the time of
registration with the casino:
Account Number
Method of payment
Amount Owed
Full Name
Address
Telephone Number
Please email this information to [email protected] before
January 15th.
Once again we thank you for your patience,
OddsOn
Interesting email from Antigua just in from which it is encouraging to note that following the Forty Plus complaint Ron Maginley and his team had discussions with Odds On yesterday and will be issuing a statement (content unknown at present) Whatever follows, it is nice to see a responsive Antiguan gaming authority when it comes to player issues like this.
thesmacker
Most Annoying Forum Member of 2006
- Joined
- Jun 22, 2003
Although this is a step in the right direction there is a couple of problems with this resolution.
1) If a player has no knowlegde of the use of this site or say casinomeister, how would they know where to send their details. Thus this 10 day deadline to send your details seems a little extreme to me. Why not allow players infinite time to send in their account info? Odds On must verify deposits anyways so no one can really cheat the system. This way players that are unaware of these forums have more time to find out about what to do in order to get back their missing money. To me it seems like Odds On is trying to find a cheap way out, claiming they don't have the database of players so that unknowing players will never see their money back as they will miss the deadline, puts the ownis on the player to contact Odds On instead of vice versa.
2) Why did this take so long to do and why did Odds On never make any public statements instead of keeping players in the dark, even this announcement was sent through webmasters. Why did Odds On continually dodge questions from players and webmasters?
3) This sort of solidifies the fact that Odds Onn and English Harbour are connected in ownership. Why doesnt Odds On simply cut a bunch of checks to the players? Instead, they transfer the money to EH so that the player can lose a bunch of it and also hopefully induce more deposits into EH.
This whole situation is just too bizare, the way Odds On has handled it has totally been unprofessional and disrespectful to players. I hope players that have their balances transferred to EH will just withdraw and go play at a casino that treats players with more respect.
1) If a player has no knowlegde of the use of this site or say casinomeister, how would they know where to send their details. Thus this 10 day deadline to send your details seems a little extreme to me. Why not allow players infinite time to send in their account info? Odds On must verify deposits anyways so no one can really cheat the system. This way players that are unaware of these forums have more time to find out about what to do in order to get back their missing money. To me it seems like Odds On is trying to find a cheap way out, claiming they don't have the database of players so that unknowing players will never see their money back as they will miss the deadline, puts the ownis on the player to contact Odds On instead of vice versa.
2) Why did this take so long to do and why did Odds On never make any public statements instead of keeping players in the dark, even this announcement was sent through webmasters. Why did Odds On continually dodge questions from players and webmasters?
3) This sort of solidifies the fact that Odds Onn and English Harbour are connected in ownership. Why doesnt Odds On simply cut a bunch of checks to the players? Instead, they transfer the money to EH so that the player can lose a bunch of it and also hopefully induce more deposits into EH.
This whole situation is just too bizare, the way Odds On has handled it has totally been unprofessional and disrespectful to players. I hope players that have their balances transferred to EH will just withdraw and go play at a casino that treats players with more respect.
thesmacker
Most Annoying Forum Member of 2006
- Joined
- Jun 22, 2003
Thanks Jetset, I appreciate all the time and effort you have been putting into this matter. Its good to see that at least some of the players will get paid at the end of the day.
Cheers
Cheers
The Forty Plus saga is finally drawing to a close with the players hopefully being paid in an issue that has done little to enhance the reputations of the software provider and operators involved.
But the full story can now be told - with information on the identities that players have had to work so hard for in the absence of any cooperation from Odds On...and red herrings drawn across the trail by some of those involved in Costa Rica.
This Odds On powered online casino came on line last year and was very active on the message boards (including that at WOL) through spokesman Alan Roberts, who went to some pains to assure the players that the management and backers were highly professional, very well funded and in the industry for the long haul.
Then their payouts started slowing down - a classic indicator of a casino in trouble.
That was followed by an unannounced and abrupt closure of Forty Plus, leaving players unpaid. Roberts and the staff vanished without explanation (it later turned out that whilst reassuring the players they were actually paying off the staff and selling the assets)
Toronto-based Odds On and its boss Pierre Gagnon made no public announcement following the closure, and only after some time and persistent complaints did he make a 1 on 1 call to a portalmaster to say that Odds On had no obligation to the players and that he had no control or knowledge of what was going on at the casino, or where its database had gone. This despite his company earning royalties from the operation, which has not been denied.
He did not offer any assistance to stiffed players trying to find the owners. He did not respond to emails asking questions from ourselves.
Meantime English Harbour, as Odds On's sole remaining licensee (there is widespread and unanswered speculation that there are closer than usual ownership relationships) appeared on the WOL message board to distance itself from Forty Plus and astonishingly express confidence in Odds On as a software provider.
The players were thrown upon their own resources, and thankfully message boards are a good way of keeping a story alive and communicating with other players.
Investigations to find the owners commenced and early information revealed the fact that Forty Plus had been registered in Costa Rica by a company called Greenoak Ranch SA. Names like Orlando Guerrero ( a CR lawyer) came up, were investigated and claimed all but the most superficial connections.
Odds On remained silent. The issue was kept alive on the message boards whilst more enquiries continued, and eventually a new name surfaced - Jorge Barahona. This Costa Rican individual was also known as George Finley, and he had previously worked for the notorious Main Street Vegas online casino group owned by Marty Jensen.
Using a Yahoo email, Barahona responded to our questions by claiming that he had only been the CEO at Forty Plus, carrying out the orders of an *investor* whom he could not name. He strung us along with this line, pretending to be sincere in wanting to look after the stiffed players and protect his reputation. He asked us to be patient whilst he tried to negotiate payment of the stiffed players through a holding deposit that had been paid to Neteller. He clearly had details of the Forty Plus players to check any claims.
He turned out to be the worst liar of them all. He was the president of the company and knew exactly what was going on and who was involved. Lawyer Guerrero also enjoyed a more important position in the company than he had us believe.
By now Canadian and Costa Rican journalists were working the story. Odds On remained uncooperative. The breakthrough finally came - Greenoaks was registered as follows:
Cedula (id number) of the company: 3101343444
The firm is located in the Thrifty Building in San Jos at Avenida 13
and Calle 3.
The firm was founded March 30 of 2003.
Jorge Eduardo Barahona Ramrez, president
Roberto Fabricio Calerdn Yong, secretary
Jorge Alberto Guerrero Vargas, treasurer
Monserrat Melissa Dias Araya, fiscal
Gustavo Alvarez Mora, resident agent
A power of attorney without limitation is in the hands of Orlando
Guerrero Vargas, a lawyer from the nearby community of Escaz. The
lawyer would seem to be related, perhaps as a brother, to the treasurer
of the company.
The postscript to this story is the belated public announcements from Odds On last week saying that players would finally be paid through credits to accounts in English Harbour casino. This over two months after the closure and major stress for the unpaid and uninformed players. They gave players a 12 day deadline to get complaints in.
Is this a professional and consumer-sensitive way to shut down an online casino? The answer to that is obvious.
There's a lesson to be learned here by any ethics challenged software providers and operators out there. It is that determined online players will not tolerate being unceremoniously abandoned in the event of a casino closure... and they are prepared to hunt down the responsible parties and hold them to account.
But the full story can now be told - with information on the identities that players have had to work so hard for in the absence of any cooperation from Odds On...and red herrings drawn across the trail by some of those involved in Costa Rica.
This Odds On powered online casino came on line last year and was very active on the message boards (including that at WOL) through spokesman Alan Roberts, who went to some pains to assure the players that the management and backers were highly professional, very well funded and in the industry for the long haul.
Then their payouts started slowing down - a classic indicator of a casino in trouble.
That was followed by an unannounced and abrupt closure of Forty Plus, leaving players unpaid. Roberts and the staff vanished without explanation (it later turned out that whilst reassuring the players they were actually paying off the staff and selling the assets)
Toronto-based Odds On and its boss Pierre Gagnon made no public announcement following the closure, and only after some time and persistent complaints did he make a 1 on 1 call to a portalmaster to say that Odds On had no obligation to the players and that he had no control or knowledge of what was going on at the casino, or where its database had gone. This despite his company earning royalties from the operation, which has not been denied.
He did not offer any assistance to stiffed players trying to find the owners. He did not respond to emails asking questions from ourselves.
Meantime English Harbour, as Odds On's sole remaining licensee (there is widespread and unanswered speculation that there are closer than usual ownership relationships) appeared on the WOL message board to distance itself from Forty Plus and astonishingly express confidence in Odds On as a software provider.
The players were thrown upon their own resources, and thankfully message boards are a good way of keeping a story alive and communicating with other players.
Investigations to find the owners commenced and early information revealed the fact that Forty Plus had been registered in Costa Rica by a company called Greenoak Ranch SA. Names like Orlando Guerrero ( a CR lawyer) came up, were investigated and claimed all but the most superficial connections.
Odds On remained silent. The issue was kept alive on the message boards whilst more enquiries continued, and eventually a new name surfaced - Jorge Barahona. This Costa Rican individual was also known as George Finley, and he had previously worked for the notorious Main Street Vegas online casino group owned by Marty Jensen.
Using a Yahoo email, Barahona responded to our questions by claiming that he had only been the CEO at Forty Plus, carrying out the orders of an *investor* whom he could not name. He strung us along with this line, pretending to be sincere in wanting to look after the stiffed players and protect his reputation. He asked us to be patient whilst he tried to negotiate payment of the stiffed players through a holding deposit that had been paid to Neteller. He clearly had details of the Forty Plus players to check any claims.
He turned out to be the worst liar of them all. He was the president of the company and knew exactly what was going on and who was involved. Lawyer Guerrero also enjoyed a more important position in the company than he had us believe.
By now Canadian and Costa Rican journalists were working the story. Odds On remained uncooperative. The breakthrough finally came - Greenoaks was registered as follows:
Cedula (id number) of the company: 3101343444
The firm is located in the Thrifty Building in San Jos at Avenida 13
and Calle 3.
The firm was founded March 30 of 2003.
Jorge Eduardo Barahona Ramrez, president
Roberto Fabricio Calerdn Yong, secretary
Jorge Alberto Guerrero Vargas, treasurer
Monserrat Melissa Dias Araya, fiscal
Gustavo Alvarez Mora, resident agent
A power of attorney without limitation is in the hands of Orlando
Guerrero Vargas, a lawyer from the nearby community of Escaz. The
lawyer would seem to be related, perhaps as a brother, to the treasurer
of the company.
The postscript to this story is the belated public announcements from Odds On last week saying that players would finally be paid through credits to accounts in English Harbour casino. This over two months after the closure and major stress for the unpaid and uninformed players. They gave players a 12 day deadline to get complaints in.
Is this a professional and consumer-sensitive way to shut down an online casino? The answer to that is obvious.
There's a lesson to be learned here by any ethics challenged software providers and operators out there. It is that determined online players will not tolerate being unceremoniously abandoned in the event of a casino closure... and they are prepared to hunt down the responsible parties and hold them to account.
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There's a lesson to be learned here by any ethics challenged software providers and operators out there. It is that determined online players will not tolerate being unceremoniously abandoned in the event of a casino closure... and they are prepared to hunt down the responsible parties and hold them to account.[/QUOTE]
That is so true. Some GREAT investigative work, JETSET! It sure helps to have people like you and Byran doing what you can to keep these people honest- and to at least print the information of those who aren't!
That is so true. Some GREAT investigative work, JETSET! It sure helps to have people like you and Byran doing what you can to keep these people honest- and to at least print the information of those who aren't!
A couple of things to keep in mind, first, being president of a business/company don't mean you was/are the owner, and secondly, having these names will be helpful in finding the rest of the information to put this jig-saw together, completely!!
These names will be searched for any additional information.
There are questions still left unanswered!!
These names will be searched for any additional information.
There are questions still left unanswered!!
Something that players often forget is that the power rests with them.
No matter what anyone might tell you to the contrary, when enough players get riled and start posting across the Internet...it constitutes formidable and unstoppable pressure for good. That has been proved over and over in large disputes like this one.
The *Board of Directors* at Forty Plus have/had full control of both company and events at the casino as it went into decline and are accountable even at Costa Rican law regardless of what hidden investment money might lie behind the scenes. They have not behaved professionally or honourably in this matter in my opinion, and prior to the sudden developments this past week neither has Odds On.
That will long be remembered, as it should be.
No matter what anyone might tell you to the contrary, when enough players get riled and start posting across the Internet...it constitutes formidable and unstoppable pressure for good. That has been proved over and over in large disputes like this one.
The *Board of Directors* at Forty Plus have/had full control of both company and events at the casino as it went into decline and are accountable even at Costa Rican law regardless of what hidden investment money might lie behind the scenes. They have not behaved professionally or honourably in this matter in my opinion, and prior to the sudden developments this past week neither has Odds On.
That will long be remembered, as it should be.
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jetset said:Something that players often forget is that the power rests with them.
(and out of context
" regardless of what hidden investment money might lie behind the scenes. "
Agreed, players hold the true power here. Always.
That is why it is so important that proper research is done when accusations are launched. I want to congratulate the researchers in this case for such thorough and successful work.
The hidden investment money still tickles me....
Thanks, Pioneer - this was a team effort with several smart players and journalists involved.
It is an illustration of what players who refuse to be screwed with impunity can do when they want to and I hope the providers and operators who have shady tendencies take note.
InfoPowa will give credit for these payments to Odds On despite the fact that they had to be dragged to the party, but investigations continue.
It is an illustration of what players who refuse to be screwed with impunity can do when they want to and I hope the providers and operators who have shady tendencies take note.
InfoPowa will give credit for these payments to Odds On despite the fact that they had to be dragged to the party, but investigations continue.
thesmacker
Most Annoying Forum Member of 2006
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There are some glaring problems with Odds On's resolution to the 40+ fiasco. Players don't be fooled by this gesture of good faith by Odds On,
1) They had to be dragged into this situation by players and webmasters and the general public.
2) The deadline they set for players to get their money back is a method of only having to pay back some of the players and not all of them.
3) Odds On consistently dodged questions as to their ownership relations with English Harbour.
4) Odds On transfers money to EH accounts in hope that players will gamble away most of the money they recovered instead of sending out checks. Really makes you wonder about EH having a stake in the ownership of Odds On.
All in all a very dispicable and unprofessional showing by Odds On. I'm sure players are smart enough to see through this illusion of good faith although I am happy to see that at least a few ripped off players will be compensated.
1) They had to be dragged into this situation by players and webmasters and the general public.
2) The deadline they set for players to get their money back is a method of only having to pay back some of the players and not all of them.
3) Odds On consistently dodged questions as to their ownership relations with English Harbour.
4) Odds On transfers money to EH accounts in hope that players will gamble away most of the money they recovered instead of sending out checks. Really makes you wonder about EH having a stake in the ownership of Odds On.
All in all a very dispicable and unprofessional showing by Odds On. I'm sure players are smart enough to see through this illusion of good faith although I am happy to see that at least a few ripped off players will be compensated.
thesmacker
Most Annoying Forum Member of 2006
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I have been reading from another forum that some of the claims are still unsettled by Odds On. I was wondering , has anyone actually recieved there payment yet? I have heard of only 2 people getting paid and many others have recently recieved a bulk email about trying to recover the 40+ database again. Please post if you have been paid so we can see the extent to which Odds On has actually tried to fix this matter. With all their unprofessionalism through out this incident I doubt that Odds On has adequately put an end to this issue yet.
Several people have been trying to monitor this Odds On settlement after being involved in successful moves to find the Forty Plus manager Jorge Barahona and make sure that Odds On did something to look after the stiffed players' interests.
Unfortunately one of the things that has bedevilled our efforts has been the lack of posts from significant numbers of Forty Plus players outlining what has happened to the claims they submitted to Odds On since that company assured the public at large that they were settling with the players via English Harbour credits.
It is beginning to sound as if Odds On are stalling again on this, and we need those posts before taking the fight to them again, so if anyone knows any players who fall into this category please urge them to post here.
Unfortunately one of the things that has bedevilled our efforts has been the lack of posts from significant numbers of Forty Plus players outlining what has happened to the claims they submitted to Odds On since that company assured the public at large that they were settling with the players via English Harbour credits.
It is beginning to sound as if Odds On are stalling again on this, and we need those posts before taking the fight to them again, so if anyone knows any players who fall into this category please urge them to post here.
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A number of them have contacted me stating that they've been paid. So I'm assuming that most everything was taken care of. I know of two problems that occured, but I haven't had the chance to follow up on these to see if they were taken care of.
There are some worrying posts at WOL from posters who have been told by Odds On that they still have to find the database to verify the claims, which would not seem to gel with the experiences of your players here.
By now one would have hoped that all the complaints would have been checked and paid.
By now one would have hoped that all the complaints would have been checked and paid.
gamblinboi
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Alfred Hitchcock! that's your avatar, jetset.. damn took me a while to remember that.
lol
As for 40+ i knew somthing was fishy so I thankfully stopped playing there shortly before they went bust, and thus wasn't burnt by their dashing off into the sunset..
lol
As for 40+ i knew somthing was fishy so I thankfully stopped playing there shortly before they went bust, and thus wasn't burnt by their dashing off into the sunset..
