Fortune Room Steals Money

[jinnia]

Crushgrove,

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til I hear back from them. I'll post what I find out, I do know they investigate within USA AND abroad. Not sure if not paying an online casino player constitutes fraud, I would think so, it's done online and it is a form of fraud.

Waiting to hear back from FBI about this.

May not hurt sending an email to Fortune Group telling them this is not satisfactory with you, and you'll be letting the Internet Fraud Center ... which is the FBI...investigate, just to see if you get a response at all from them.

It's WAY past time to take it to the top with these casino's whose actions are that of a thief and a liar.

 

[glodge]

crushgrove,

Hmmm very interesting, thanks for posting the e-mail. May I ask when the date/s of when you were locked out of your account?

From your first post, is it right of me to assume you have not received any of your deposited money back?

 

[linda7]

Crushgrove,
You did state in your earlier post that they will not even refund your deposit of $1000 is that correct? If so, I wonder why Wim emailed me personally and told that the FL groups do refund the original deposits if they suspect fraudulent activity. Wim, you seemed to be very proud of this fact...care to comment?

 

[glodge]

jinnia,

I can understand your motivation, people who break the law should be accountable. However IMO unless some type of class action was taken out against a company, I doubt that the FBI would get involved.

Back in 2001 an ezboard Forum Owner attempted to blackmail me into providing a sum of money, in exchange for the retraction of their lies posted to their forum, regarding a site I was operating at the time. As I live in Australia, I contacted the AFP & also the FBI. Unfortunely in both cases, although it was deemed extortion, the amount was to little to worry about in their regard.

Civil proceedings were suggested.

This may be the same case here.


IMO a casino simply can't lock an account & then not return the players money, that's BS!
And it is my view if the casino locks an account & then will not unlock it, the casino should pay back ALL the money this player has deposited, from the date they first opened the account.

This payment should be processed within 24 hours.

 

[jinnia]

This info may already be posted here somewhere, but going to post it now for any one new here:

Warning if you download casino software and its icon looks like the following, Attach Removed (Old not found) it is part of the Virtual Casino Group.

List of clone casino's owned by Virtual Casino Group
Software provider: Real Time Gaming

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May be only a partial list for they tend to pop up as fast as rabbits breed, and some may not operate now, but just keep watch for that icon and avoid these casino's at all cost.

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are fronts for Virtual Casino Group

If I'm wrong, or this is old information, correct me and I apologize.

 

[linda7]

Jinna,
I agree with you regarding land based casinos.
Just to give you a heads up regarding the taxes involved, this is what you do. If possible, never let them deduct the taxes from the winnings upon paying you. I am assuming you use your casino card everytime you gamble at the casino. This allows the casino to keep track of each and every bet you make while playing at the casino. At the end of the year, request a "Win/loss statement" for both table play and slots. Request this from every land based casino you played at during that year. While you may have won at one casino, the losings (if any) from other casinos, allow you to cancel out your jackpots and then you owe nothing to the IRS. This is perfectly legal, since you only pay taxes on "winnings" of all your casino play combined.

Sorry for going off topic everyone, I just wanted to help Jinna.

 

[glodge]

jinnia,

I can understand your motivation, people who break the law should be accountable. However IMO unless some type of class action was taken out against a company, I doubt that the FBI would get involved.

Back in 2001 an ezboard Forum Owner attempted to blackmail me into providing a sum of money, in exchange for the retraction of their lies posted to their forum, regarding a site I was operating at the time. As I live in Australia, I contacted the AFP & also the FBI. Unfortunely in both cases, although it was deemed extortion, the amount was to little to worry about in their regard.

Civil proceedings were suggested.

This may be the same case here.


IMO a casino simply can't lock an account & then not return the players money, that's BS!
And it is my view if the casino locks an account & then will not unlock it, the casino should pay back ALL the money this player has deposited, from the date they first opened the account.

This payment should be processed within 24 hours.

 

[jinnia]

True, I know nothing of this sort, but not afraid to ask questions at any place I find that seems they may be able to help... below is what is said on the site::

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How It Works

The IFCC is based in Morgantown, West Virginia, where the National White Collar Crime Center is also located. Hosted on a secure server, the fraud complaint site allows victims to describe the fraud they are reporting.

The IFCC will analyze the complaints to determine jurisdiction, conduct analytical and investigative work, and disseminate the information to the appropriate local, state or federal law enforcement agencies for criminal, civil or administrative action. The IFCC will also try to track down perpetrators in the United States and abroad, the FBI said.

In addition to giving consumers a place to lodge their complaints, the IFCC will give law enforcement agencies at the local, state and federal level a central place to look up pending cases, get statistics on Internet fraud, and find information on fraud patterns and trends.
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For now, I'm waiting to hear back from them and if what has been done to me, fraudulant debits and theft by deceit over the internet constitutes Internet Fraud, I'm filing!! And all who has been had by an online casino, do the same!!

From what I read on the site, they are trying to locate and prosecute businesses of any kind that is showing a pattern of sorts that may be terrorism funding and racketeering. So hopefully it'll be looked into, closely!

 

[jinnia]

linda7,

I don't file taxes any way, I'm exempt from them.

And if a casino wants to take out money from my winnings for their State tax, that's fine, TIL, they try taking it all, then a fight is on .. grin...

But thank you very much for the information, I do have a friend I'll relay it to.

 

[glodge]

jinnia,

" I don't file taxes any way, I'm exempt from them. "

How did you manage this?

 

[glodge]

linda7,

The IRS thing and land based casino taxes, does the IRS allow this for online casino's also?

 

[jinnia]

glodge,

Actually two reasons, I draw a disability check for now, don't file on the monies from, and hmmmmm, ok, will tell, I'm also a Reverend ...smile...

 

[glodge]

jimmia,

Hmmm a gambling Reverend, now that's got to be a first? No disrespect intended

To bad to hear you on a disability allowance now though.



(Message edited by glodge on July 19, 2003)

 

[crushgrove]

Yes all, I have recieved no deposit back and was told I would not recieve one.

Does anyone have the email of the Vice prez guy that appeared on this thread as I wouldnt mind emailing him because their general customer service would appear to be a dead end.

 

[jinnia]

From what I have read on the online casino Rules/Policy, etc. It states it is the players sole responsibility to report winnings to their IRS ---whoever governs taxes...

so I would guess that would be the loses also. If not illegal to gamble online where you live.

But unless someone turns you in, how are they going to find out if you gamble online or not? ---shrug...

 

[jinnia]

glodge,

now why would that surprise you? Look at the history of Reverends, Ministers, Preachers, whatever they are. Swaggert, Baker and a few others, at least I'm not doing those things...smile...

Though I can perform marriages, do what a Reverend can do, I practice more along the line, as to do right, and help stop wrong doings that hurt others, and listen when someone is hurting and needs to talk.

Thank you... the disability stems from chronic migraines, not a day goes by without having at least two that kicks my behind.

 

[glodge]

jinnia,

Hey that's cool, just can't say I've met a lot of Ministers who openly admit to a vice such as gambling.

I'm sure you do a grand job all the same

You take it easy ok!

( see what a six pack does to your grammer - to instead of do )

(Message edited by glodge on July 19, 2003)

 

[jamesdean]

So now we have another player being ripped of by FL. This is crazy, why dont those cheap skates accept the fact that people can win with their bonuses and do the right thing and pay up. Why do they insist on doing such obviously sketchy things and incurring such bad press. Guess FL isnt to bright.

 

[jamesdean]

BTW getting the FBI involved in these casinos defrauding players and acting as if they are a real legit business should be unnessecary. I thought casinos that appear on the Casinomeisters reputable list were suppose to be just that. Perhaps when the meister gets back he will have some work to do defending his own reputation since he seems to back casinos which seem to be not so reputable.

 

[jinnia]

I don't think the meister defends these casino's, he only has them listed here. And no one knows if a casino is a good one or not til people play there and they get burned, then make it known. If only a few players complain, that's normal, but when it tends to be a mounting amount of players being burned, then yes, it's time to rogue them.

 

[jinnia]

glodge,

copy/paste: jinnia,

Hey that's cool, just can't say I've met a lot of Ministers who openly admit to a vice such as gambling.

I'm sure you do a grand job all the same

You take it easy ok!

( see what a six pack does to your grammer - to instead of do )

It's my own money, and don't hurt no one playing the slots, well, except my own self >,the bank account that is), and I'm honest, so couldn't lie about what I do.

I sound like Daffy Duck after a six pack .. lol

Actually, I don't like beer, but, I do go out once in a great while, sit back, listen to country music, might do a two step and have a Strawberry Daquari >,sp?<,.

 

[glodge]

IMO give the industry another 12 months & I think we may all find us saying, sh#t I'd never have thought that casino would have done this or that.

To many casino's to much competition, something has to give or break somewhere.

 

[jamesdean]

Jinnia, how can the meister not defend these casinos, it is through his opinion that a casino is labelled reputable with players trusting his opinion. If he does not stand behind his choices then the reputable section has absolutely no accountability. He has seen a number of complaints with FL over the past 5 months yet they still remain as reputable, to me this is a gross error and I dont even deal with FL anymore due to their lack of commitment to quality customer service. They cant even handle making a payment to the choice which you gave them. To me this group is totally incompetent and has a propensity to cry fraud whenever they dont feel like paying someone. Perhaps if they put as much time into customer service as they do for their fraud happy security they could run a quality operation.

 

[Casinomeister]

Jeezus! I go away for a few days and everyone goes bonkers. Yes, when I get back (next week) I'll be lookng nto this. I've been n contact wth FL whle I have been gone, and I agree that the casino has detected fraud. It may be that johnnydemp s yankng your chains here. Upon my return, I'll see if he would like to forward me the IDs and credit cards. I'll have a looksee myself.

The FL group s perhaps the largest casino group ouot there. With the amount of customer servce ssues that are processed daly, they would make your head spn. I'll see about gettng some stats on this upon my return as well.

Perhaps seeing this n one big picture, some of you won't have the knee jerk reaction that you've had. I consder ths group of casinos to be one of the better crowd. When they make mstakes, they admit it. When players are banned, they state why. They aren't cheaters. They aren't crooks. I think some of you are letting your emotions gettng the best of you.

More on this upon my return.

 

[linda7]

Hi glodge,
No, unfortunately we cannot claim losses from online casinos, atleast not here in the US.
It is illegal gambling in the eyes of the US. Kind of like gambling with your neighborhood bookie..lol. Also, since we do not pay taxes on online winnings, we cannot claim the losses.

Linda