For people who play at 3Dice.

[skiny]

By your own admission - you're not much of a gambler anymore - and are just trying to stay in the VIP system. Well we have free tournaments - just so we're clear that's not the VIP tournaments, but the ones at the top of the tournament list labeled 'free tournaments'. The VIP tournaments are not free - they are a perk for our regular depositing players. It's our responsibility to make sure that the VIP system stays fair and doesn't get filled up with people that are intentionally trying to minimize their effort with as only goal to retain VIP access - that's just not the idea behind it.

Free tournaments that win "real money." Just so we're clear if you do win real money it's not real money that can be used to get vip status. If you put the money in the safe or take it out of the casino you have to deposit 50 dollars more than the real money you won?

 

[skiny]

And I'm sure you also heart Microgaming, Playtech, NetEnt and all the other fun places you Canadians get to play.

I've played at all of them and even casinos I haven't played at in years still send me the odd email telling me something is changed.

 

[nisosbar]

I've played at all of them and even casinos I haven't played at in years still send me the odd email telling me something is changed.

I don't understand your point here. If your point is that you are losing 'too much' at online casinos lately, then please just say so. Or that all casinos have tightened their RTP...?

Can you please explain. Thanks.

 

[skiny]

I don't understand your point here. If your point is that you are losing 'too much' at online casinos lately, then please just say so. Or that all casinos have tightened their RTP...?

Can you please explain. Thanks.

My original point to your post was that some casinos I haven't played at in years inform me of changes. Apparently all members are "legitimate."

 

[bb28]

Skiny......although your complaint might have some validity, it's difficult to root it out from all of your posts in this thread. The more you post the more petty and small it becomes and also I for one can accept Enzo's explanation as it seemed quite reasonable. You wouldn't be trying to take advantage would you?

Clearly you have an ax to grind with 3D from looking at your past posts regarding them. If 3 D is such a thorn in your foot, I don't get why you just don't quit playing there. Why do you?

 

[cpdnd31]

OK after reading and rereading this thread I think there are 2 main issues going on here- DO NOT JUMP ON ME TRYING TO STAY IMPARTIAL AND DISSECT THE PROBLEM.

Issue number 1 casino side.

Player A wins 100.00 player A gifts 50 to player B. Player B then takes gift puts in safe for a day or 2 and then deposits it. Player B does not play in it and passes it back to player A and or now player C -

These players are abusing the system by passing the same 50 and depositing it to keep there VIP Tournament status.

2nd situation-Player side

Player a who does not gamble as often gets a gift- of below min amount required to deposit to maintain status. Said player plays on amount wins and puts money in safe. Then player redeposits amount over min needed of lets say 100- and plays and loses. Player A then goes to play tournament and is told he is no longer VIP. Even tho he did spend 100 on casino games.

I understand the abuse going on in situation number 1 however if a player plays 100 on games no matter how he received that 100 I feel he should be allowed to keep his VIP status. He did spend the money playing. As far as comp points keeping him in his VIP level. You can't count on that I am well over 30 deposits with no wins and or playtime. If i can't get playtime I cant build the comp points to build my VIP status up. As well as my bet size which we all know helps keep us up on our VIP level as well. My point is on scenario number 1 I can see the proof of abuse however on scenario number 2 I don't. He played 100 when all that is needed was 50. Unless I missing something. It seems plain and simple to me.

There will always be people who are able to bend the rules- however what rule was broken or bent by receiving money- playing money -winning money and then losing money.

Now here is another ? we all know USA has a hard time depositing at 3Dice. So let's say I as a regular player who was also effected by this - was gifted (because at one point brokering was turned off for certain people) - so lets say I made outside arrangements with someone and they gifted me 25 and I played and won am I then too affected by this new rule? Once I do get money below 300 I keep in safe to play on just so I don't have to jump thru hoops or occur more charges to redeposit.

I understand what Enzo is saying but as a player I also see Skinys side.

If you know people are abusing the system lock there accounts kick them out say goodbye- what good are they if they are cheating.

But to pick and choose people to implement a new rule upon is not fair either- It should be all for one and one for all.

Like I said in the beginning this is just a neutral thought and not intended to bash anyone so please don't bash me.

 

[skiny]

Skiny......although your complaint might have some validity, it's difficult to root it out from all of your posts in this thread. The more you post the more petty and small it becomes and also I for one can accept Enzo's explanation as it seemed quite reasonable. You wouldn't be trying to take advantage would you?

Clearly you have an ax to grind with 3D from looking at your past posts regarding them. If 3 D is such a thorn in your foot, I don't get why you just don't quit playing there. Why do you?

Actually I was having a time keeping up. I answered one post and when I posted it there was a new one under it.

People seem to be under the impression that I dislike 3Dice. Enzo and I have had our differences and on occasion we actually do agree. I've had good things and bad things to say about many casinos. I'm not the kind of person to mince my words hoping not to offend people. I say what I feel, sometimes people like it, sometimes they don't.

3Dice is not a "bad" casino. The games are interesting they pay out quicker than anyone that I know of and there are a lot of people that play there that I like. Some of them actually like me.

There is a possibility that you can win big at this casino but like all casinos there is a likelihood that you will just lose. The tournament system has always been a bonus for people who play here. Especially the players who do not deposit often. I haven't looked at the rest of the bonus system very closely but I've heard it said that without the tournaments the rest of the system is no better than any other casino and in fact worse than some. For me this is hearsay so you would have to check this out yourself.

As for this thread, changes were made that I wasn't aware of and if I had known I might have done things differently. Maybe that's why I wasn't aware of them. I don't know. I decided to let other people know who this might effect. I thought people should known in spite of Enzo's claim that he doesn't have to inform "Illegitimate" players of changes to the rules.

Today it seemed like a race to respond to posts before new ones were made. Maybe I'm just getting old.

edit -- You see, Choc posted while I was typing this! You people are too fast for me.

 

[Nifty29]

Actually I was having a time keeping up. I answered one post and when I posted it there was a new one under it.

People seem to be under the impression that I dislike 3Dice. Enzo and I have had our differences and on occasion we actually do agree. I've had good things and bad things to say about many casinos. I'm not the kind of person to mince my words hoping not to offend people. I say what I feel, sometimes people like it, sometimes they don't.

3Dice is not a "bad" casino. The games are interesting they pay out quicker than anyone that I know of and there are a lot of people that play there that I like. Some of them actually like me.

There is a possibility that you can win big at this casino but like all casinos there is a likelihood that you will just lose. The tournament system has always been a bonus for people who play here. Especially the players who do not deposit often. I haven't looked at the rest of the bonus system very closely but I've heard it said that without the tournaments the rest of the system is no better than any other casino and in fact worse than some. For me this is hearsay so you would have to check this out yourself.

As for this thread, changes were made that I wasn't aware of and if I had known I might have done things differently. Maybe that's why I wasn't aware of them. I don't know. I decided to let other people know who this might effect. I thought people should known in spite of Enzo's claim that he doesn't have to inform "Illegitimate" players of changes to the rules.

Today it seemed like a race to respond to posts before new ones were made. Maybe I'm just getting old.

edit -- You see, Choc posted while I was typing this! You people are too fast for me.

Are you saying that you did not move money in and out of the safe with the sole aim of becoming eligible for VIP tournaments? It kinda looks like that's what you were doing. What also makes me think that is the way you reacted to the decision. If it wasn't your intention to recycle your casino balance to retain permanent access to VIP perks (which is what the VIP tourneys are) then I wouldn't have thought it would even have warranted a post, let alone several. A regular player who just deposits and withdraws and wins and loses as in any other casino wouldn't give two hoots about this change....I know I don't, and it seems nobody else has been affected here in this thread either.

I see your point about money in the safe being "yours", but I also see Enzo's point that players such as yourself are taking unfair advantage of the VIP system by recycling the same funds just to enter the VIP tournaments. It seems you seldom deposit money, and seldom play the regular games either, only the tourneys...and as Enzo said, there ARE free tourneys for everyone and for those who cannot afford to deposit.

Personally, I think the best way to avoid this situation is not to manually exclude players or restrict safe transactions, but rather to have a higher minimum entry level for the VIP tourneys e.g. Have Bronze 3 as the minimum requirement. In this way, players would have to actually give the casino some action in return for the perks.

I do not believe that someone who seldom deposits and plays only via gifts and free tourney wins should receive the same benefits as someone who deposits and plays regularly e.g. places their own personal funds at risk, rather than just winnings from someone else's money. It's not a personal thing against you as I have always held this view.

I also think you're starting to get petty in concentrating on the "legitimate" player comment made by Enzo. You know exactly what he was referring to, and your argument, as someone else mentioned, is being diluted by your insistence on being unnecessarily pedantic about individual words and phrases. You already made your argument well. I just don't 100% agree with it.

 

[bb28]

Actually I was having a time keeping up. I answered one post and when I posted it there was a new one under it.

People seem to be under the impression that I dislike 3Dice. Enzo and I have had our differences and on occasion we actually do agree. I've had good things and bad things to say about many casinos. I'm not the kind of person to mince my words hoping not to offend people. I say what I feel, sometimes people like it, sometimes they don't.

3Dice is not a "bad" casino. The games are interesting they pay out quicker than anyone that I know of and there are a lot of people that play there that I like. Some of them actually like me.

There is a possibility that you can win big at this casino but like all casinos there is a likelihood that you will just lose. The tournament system has always been a bonus for people who play here. Especially the players who do not deposit often. I haven't looked at the rest of the bonus system very closely but I've heard it said that without the tournaments the rest of the system is no better than any other casino and in fact worse than some. For me this is hearsay so you would have to check this out yourself.

As for this thread, changes were made that I wasn't aware of and if I had known I might have done things differently. Maybe that's why I wasn't aware of them. I don't know. I decided to let other people know who this might effect. I thought people should known in spite of Enzo's claim that he doesn't have to inform "Illegitimate" players of changes to the rules.

Today it seemed like a race to respond to posts before new ones were made. Maybe I'm just getting old.

edit -- You see, Choc posted while I was typing this! You people are too fast for me.

Maybe my blonde is coming out but this whole thread doesn't make a whole lot of sense..........unless you were trying to pull one over on 3 D in order to keep your vip status to play the tourneys. Seriously.....why not just deposit the 50 bucks and be done with it?

I feel a little bad about calling you out skiny but I was bored one night and did a search for 3 D threads and there were numerous ones that you started complaining about one thing or the other. Well we all have a right to moan and groan on occasion but it seems to be excessive from you as it relates to 3 D. Also you have many similar threads over at the 3 D forum also.
So what is the real deal here Skiny? Like I said in the above, why not just deposit your 50 bucks and deal with it like the rest of us?

 

[skiny]

Are you saying that you did not move money in and out of the safe with the sole aim of becoming eligible for VIP tournaments?

I moved the money to the safe so I could take it out and play it at my leisure. My playing habits and strategies may not be the same as yours but it's not an uncommon practice at 3Dice. People use the safe to store winnings and take smaller amounts out to play with. It's not an unacceptable practice.

It kinda looks like that's what you were doing.

People will see what they want to see. Maybe what you see is wrong. What I see is you siding with the casino in pretty much every complaint I've ever read. Maybe what I see is wrong. But I guess we all have our own way of perceiving things.

What also makes me think that is the way you reacted to the decision. If it wasn't your intention to recycle your casino balance to retain permanent access to VIP perks (which is what the VIP tourneys are) then I wouldn't have thought it would even have warranted a post, let alone several. A regular player who just deposits and withdraws and wins and loses as in any other casino wouldn't give two hoots about this change....I know I don't, and it seems nobody else has been affected here in this thread either.

I'm not sure what you think was recycled. I put the money in all at once and took it out a little at a time. I lost it all and then noticed that it didn't count toward vip. This is a new rule. A rule I knew nothing about and assumed nobody else did either. A new unannounced rule warrants a discussion. Just like someone's birthday warrants a discussion or help with a scanned picture warrants a discussion or a joke or a movie. People are welcome to read every title or the first paragraph of every thread started here and if they have no interest they are just as welcome to move along. As for "several" posts, as long as people continue to discuss it or give their opinions I see no reason not to remain in the discussion. Especially when the new posts are directed to me. Or should I have started the thread and ended the first post with "Ok, discuss this amongst yourselves?"

I see your point about money in the safe being "yours", but I also see Enzo's point that players such as yourself are taking unfair advantage of the VIP system by recycling the same funds just to enter the VIP tournaments. It seems you seldom deposit money, and seldom play the regular games either, only the tourneys...and as Enzo said, there ARE free tourneys for everyone and for those who cannot afford to deposit.

Again you mention recycling money. No money was recycled. If I had not made a deposit in 6 months it would and should have changed nothing. There was a single gift to my account. I played that money, won more money with it and put the lump in my safe to play later. That is not abuse. That is a general practice. You also seem to be under the impression that the only reason people don't deposit at casinos is because they can't afford to. It doesn't matter if it was me or anyone else and it doesn't matter if I deposited every day or haven't done so in a year. The gift was real money that did not belong to the casino before it was sent to me and did not belong to the casino after it was sent to me. With that real money I won more. I know it's surprising but it does happen once in a while. Now this being a "real" casino, the money I won with the gift is also supposed to be real money. Real money that belongs to me not the casino. Now I have much more real money and if I decide I want to use that real money to make the monthly deposit that allows me to play vip games it is my choice. It is not abuse. The only difference now is I have to remove it from the casino first. And apparently if I win enough money playing these casino games that I don't have to use my own money to make a deposit that is abuse as well so at some point I have to lose all of my money and then deposit or deposit more than I won? Basically it seems like if you win often enough that you use the casinos money more than your own you eventually get a rap on the knuckles.

Personally, I think the best way to avoid this situation is not to manually exclude players or restrict safe transactions, but rather to have a higher minimum entry level for the VIP tourneys e.g. Have Bronze 3 as the minimum requirement. In this way, players would have to actually give the casino some action in return for the perks.

Set the rules how you like. Everyone I know is following them. If they change and everyone is aware of the changes everyone will continue following them. Of course you might get some arguments from the "unlucky" people who are bronze 2 and have deposited twice as much as someone who is a "lucky" bronze 3.

I do not believe that someone who seldom deposits and plays only via gifts and free tourney wins should receive the same benefits as someone who deposits and plays regularly e.g. places their own personal funds at risk, rather than just winnings from someone else's money. It's not a personal thing against you as I have always held this view.

Gift.

By the way, you do realize it's probably impossible to maintain a vip level of any kind stricktly off tournament wins? I've managed to win enough on occassion to pay for the vip deposit but nobody I know of ever maintained a vip for any long period of time using only tournament wins and I don't think I need to stress again that money won at the casino belongs to the player. If I have $10,000 cash and 200 of it is in my safe at 3Dice it's still part of my $10,000. It makes no difference how it got there.

I also think you're starting to get petty in concentrating on the "legitimate" player comment made by Enzo. You know exactly what he was referring to, and your argument, as someone else mentioned, is being diluted by your insistence on being unnecessarily pedantic about individual words and phrases. You already made your argument well. I just don't 100% agree with it.

You're more than welcome not to agree with it. I take no offence to anyone not agreeing with my opinions. I don't need to be offended to offer my rebuttal. I do love a good debate. I don't even mind being called pedantic.

Maybe my blonde is coming out but this whole thread doesn't make a whole lot of sense..........unless you were trying to pull one over on 3 D in order to keep your vip status to play the tourneys. Seriously.....why not just deposit the 50 bucks and be done with it?

You're right. Your blonde is coming out. But nobody is holding it against you.

I feel a little bad about calling you out skiny but I was bored one night and did a search for 3 D threads and there were numerous ones that you started complaining about one thing or the other. Well we all have a right to moan and groan on occasion but it seems to be excessive from you as it relates to 3 D. Also you have many similar threads over at the 3 D forum also.
So what is the real deal here Skiny?

I've made about 1200 posts in this forum and yes, it's true some of them were complaints. I don't think I need offer appologies for giving my honest
opinions. I won't ask for yours if you don't care to read them.

Like I said in the above, why not just deposit your 50 bucks and deal with it like the rest of us?

I did deposit "my" 50 bucks. In fact I deposited twice that.

 

[heatherad]

Are you saying that you did not move money in and out of the safe with the sole aim of becoming eligible for VIP tournaments? It kinda looks like that's what you were doing. What also makes me think that is the way you reacted to the decision. If it wasn't your intention to recycle your casino balance to retain permanent access to VIP perks (which is what the VIP tourneys are) then I wouldn't have thought it would even have warranted a post, let alone several. A regular player who just deposits and withdraws and wins and loses as in any other casino wouldn't give two hoots about this change....I know I don't, and it seems nobody else has been affected here in this thread either.

I see your point about money in the safe being "yours", but I also see Enzo's point that players such as yourself are taking unfair advantage of the VIP system by recycling the same funds just to enter the VIP tournaments. It seems you seldom deposit money, and seldom play the regular games either, only the tourneys...and as Enzo said, there ARE free tourneys for everyone and for those who cannot afford to deposit.

Personally, I think the best way to avoid this situation is not to manually exclude players or restrict safe transactions, but rather to have a higher minimum entry level for the VIP tourneys e.g. Have Bronze 3 as the minimum requirement. In this way, players would have to actually give the casino some action in return for the perks.

I do not believe that someone who seldom deposits and plays only via gifts and free tourney wins should receive the same benefits as someone who deposits and plays regularly e.g. places their own personal funds at risk, rather than just winnings from someone else's money. It's not a personal thing against you as I have always held this view.

I also think you're starting to get petty in concentrating on the "legitimate" player comment made by Enzo. You know exactly what he was referring to, and your argument, as someone else mentioned, is being diluted by your insistence on being unnecessarily pedantic about individual words and phrases. You already made your argument well. I just don't 100% agree with it.

I actually agree with what you posted.
I truly believe a VIP player should be entitled to those special little perks. As you stated, it is what distinguishes them from the player who seldom deposits and plays at any casino.
Im just on the fence about this *safe* thing mostly because its been about a year or so since I even looked at 3Dice so Im not familiar with things going on there anymore. Personally I don't think there should be restrictions on money in the safe but on the other hand if an abuser of the system can use it to their advantage over players who deposit on a regular basis and maintain their VIP level then perhaps having the *safe* is not a sound option. They will have a few disgruntled players no matter what.
I also need to say that I do agree with some aspects of skinnys posts as well.

 

[Jasminebed]

One of the reasons 3Dice gave players a "safe" was to reduce processing costs for the casino.

US players usually incur quite heavy fees in depositing, and the methods used to pay them are probably not low-cost for 3Dice either.

If I got lucky, banked $1 K and deposited back $100 per week, I'd be shocked to find after 30 days I was no longer VIP.

3Dice is free to make whatever rules it likes, but it is always good to know the rules you are playing by.

 

[zap987]

I think you need to think of something else to achieve what you want Enzo, the simple fact is that, assuming those $50 in the safe are withdrawable, it would be easy enough to withdraw to an ewallet and redeposit to meet the requirements. You might catch some people for one month but after that it will be back to normal with the only change being a bit more processing costs for the casino.

How about making the special case not look at deposits but instead results, if at any point the player is at -$50 or more for the period they qualify just the same as they do now by making a $50 deposit, or they can qualify normally by generating playthrough. It would get people just having bad luck in and would be safe from abuse, you actually need to lose to get taken in under the $50 protection for lowest VIP level.

 

[maphesto]

I can see the casinos view, but the safe is probably there because the casino wants to reduce processing costs. To exclude "safe-deposits" from those 50$ you have to deposit to play a few more tournaments shows us that 3Dice sees the safe money as already deposited. And why then, as a player, use the safe?

The idea behind the safe is very smart, the gift possibility is also very smart. Those things are keeping down the processing fees for the casino. And, let´s not forget, the safe probably reduce the amounts of withdrawn money from the casino. The safe may even be seen as a "reversal period" as players can "reverse/deposit" from the safe whenever they want. This is no criticism, because the player can make the real withdrawal whenever they want. It´s still up to the player.

3Dice is offering free tournaments everyday, they have the fastest payouts, which makes it hard to believe that it´s greed behind the decision to demand real deposits instead of "safe-deposits".

About the safe, the idea is good, is it illegal for casinos/poker rooms/sportsbooks to share a safe? Deposit to 3Dice, put in safe, use at 32Red, put in safe... Maybe only at NON US facing casinos?

But, Enzo, I think you should reconsider your decision! Show us that the safe is seen as the players money, and not as already deposited!

 

[Nifty29]

I moved the money to the safe so I could take it out and play it at my leisure. My playing habits and strategies may not be the same as yours but it's not an uncommon practice at 3Dice. People use the safe to store winnings and take smaller amounts out to play with. It's not an unacceptable practice.



People will see what they want to see. Maybe what you see is wrong. What I see is you siding with the casino in pretty much every complaint I've ever read. Maybe what I see is wrong. But I guess we all have our own way of perceiving things.




I'm not sure what you think was recycled. I put the money in all at once and took it out a little at a time. I lost it all and then noticed that it didn't count toward vip. This is a new rule. A rule I knew nothing about and assumed nobody else did either. A new unannounced rule warrants a discussion. Just like someone's birthday warrants a discussion or help with a scanned picture warrants a discussion or a joke or a movie. People are welcome to read every title or the first paragraph of every thread started here and if they have no interest they are just as welcome to move along. As for "several" posts, as long as people continue to discuss it or give their opinions I see no reason not to remain in the discussion. Especially when the new posts are directed to me. Or should I have started the thread and ended the first post with "Ok, discuss this amongst yourselves?"



Again you mention recycling money. No money was recycled. If I had not made a deposit in 6 months it would and should have changed nothing. There was a single gift to my account. I played that money, won more money with it and put the lump in my safe to play later. That is not abuse. That is a general practice. You also seem to be under the impression that the only reason people don't deposit at casinos is because they can't afford to. It doesn't matter if it was me or anyone else and it doesn't matter if I deposited every day or haven't done so in a year. The gift was real money that did not belong to the casino before it was sent to me and did not belong to the casino after it was sent to me. With that real money I won more. I know it's surprising but it does happen once in a while. Now this being a "real" casino, the money I won with the gift is also supposed to be real money. Real money that belongs to me not the casino. Now I have much more real money and if I decide I want to use that real money to make the monthly deposit that allows me to play vip games it is my choice. It is not abuse. The only difference now is I have to remove it from the casino first. And apparently if I win enough money playing these casino games that I don't have to use my own money to make a deposit that is abuse as well so at some point I have to lose all of my money and then deposit or deposit more than I won? Basically it seems like if you win often enough that you use the casinos money more than your own you eventually get a rap on the knuckles.



Set the rules how you like. Everyone I know is following them. If they change and everyone is aware of the changes everyone will continue following them. Of course you might get some arguments from the "unlucky" people who are bronze 2 and have deposited twice as much as someone who is a "lucky" bronze 3.



Gift.

By the way, you do realize it's probably impossible to maintain a vip level of any kind stricktly off tournament wins? I've managed to win enough on occassion to pay for the vip deposit but nobody I know of ever maintained a vip for any long period of time using only tournament wins and I don't think I need to stress again that money won at the casino belongs to the player. If I have $10,000 cash and 200 of it is in my safe at 3Dice it's still part of my $10,000. It makes no difference how it got there.





You're more than welcome not to agree with it. I take no offence to anyone not agreeing with my opinions. I don't need to be offended to offer my rebuttal. I do love a good debate. I don't even mind being called pedantic.



You're right. Your blonde is coming out. But nobody is holding it against you.



I've made about 1200 posts in this forum and yes, it's true some of them were complaints. I don't think I need offer appologies for giving my honest
opinions. I won't ask for yours if you don't care to read them.



I did deposit "my" 50 bucks. In fact I deposited twice that.

People will see what they want to see. Maybe what you see is wrong. What I see is you whining in pretty much every post of yours I've ever read. Maybe what I see is wrong. But I guess we all have our own way of perceiving things.

The fact that you're now resorting to correcting word usage, incorrectly I may add, shows just how weak your argument is, along with your methods.

3dice caught you, and others, manipulating their system to attain VIP perks. Get over it.

 

[footdr]

Personally I don't take advantage of playing free tournaments at casinos I can't deposit at. The problem with 3Dice since QT gone is there isn't any easy method of deposit.

I cashed out a few times over 2 years but still in the red there and comps poor as are bonuses.

 

[ShayDrew]

One of the reasons 3Dice gave players a "safe" was to reduce processing costs for the casino.

US players usually incur quite heavy fees in depositing, and the methods used to pay them are probably not low-cost for 3Dice either.

If I got lucky, banked $1 K and deposited back $100 per week, I'd be shocked to find after 30 days I was no longer VIP.

3Dice is free to make whatever rules it likes, but it is always good to know the rules you are playing by.

Hey Jas,

But you would be VIP as the playthrough on each of the $100 lots would make you a bronze (something) star or higher so you would retain VIP status.

 

[ShayDrew]

Interesting thread - overall I have to agree with Nifty - up the VIP level for VIP tourneys - reward loyal players - loyal players that only deposit $50 a month to play all month on tourneys are not that loyal at all - the VIP tourneys are great - level playing field every hour for $10 - that is a good perk that you should be a loyal player to get.

 

[skiny]

People will see what they want to see. Maybe what you see is wrong. What I see is you whining in pretty much every post of yours I've ever read. Maybe what I see is wrong. But I guess we all have our own way of perceiving things.

The fact that you're now resorting to correcting word usage, incorrectly I may add, shows just how weak your argument is, along with your methods.

3dice caught you, and others, manipulating their system to attain VIP perks. Get over it.

That made me grin. Seriously.

You have a reputation here that I'm not going to get into in any read depth because I don't care. I take every thread on a post by post basis regardless of reputation. If you see me whining or complaining in every thread I've ever posted it only means you don't read very many posts. That's entirely up to you although I'm not sure how you managed to be so selective.

3Dice caught me receiving a single gift and winning money with it. Then they caught me putting it in the safe and then they caught me taking it back out and losing all of it. That is how far your statement remains correct. You can repeat the rest of your accusations a million times and it won't make them any more correct. In fact the stance you've taken for the casino (every casino) against the player (every player) in pretty much every thread I've ever read decreases your credibility in such a debate to the point of being inconsequential.

But like I said, I take every thread on a post by post basis and answer them accordingly. Even if they are relatively insignificant.

 

[Nifty29]

That made me grin. Seriously.

You have a reputation here that I'm not going to get into in any read depth because I don't care. I take every thread on a post by post basis regardless of reputation. If you see me whining or complaining in every thread I've ever posted it only means you don't read very many posts. That's entirely up to you although I'm not sure how you managed to be so selective.

3Dice caught me receiving a single gift and winning money with it. Then they caught me putting it in the safe and then they caught me taking it back out and losing all of it. That is how far your statement remains correct. You can repeat the rest of your accusations a million times and it won't make them any more correct. In fact the stance you've taken for the casino (every casino) against the player (every player) in pretty much every thread I've ever read decreases your credibility in such a debate to the point of being inconsequential.

But like I said, I take every thread on a post by post basis and answer them accordingly. Even if they are relatively insignificant.

The bolded part above shows exactly who doesn't read posts...and it ain't me.

I also notice you have sunk to the depths of describing my credibility as being "inconsequential". You need to find a better way to argue your point when challenged than hurling personal insults. I am sarcastic at times, and some things and points of view annoy me, but you will NEVER see me slagging off someone's opinion by describing them/it as "useless" or "meaningless". It's the difference between you and me skiny.....you get nasty and personal when you're behind the 8 ball, and I just find a better argument and more facts. I might not present it with flowers and candles, but I always respect an opinion, even though I may disagree with it.

Anyway, no more derails for me.,...back to the topic

 

[cpdnd31]

Once again I am lost. Did he not say he played 100 in real and lost? If this is the case he spent his 50. to maintain his VIP status. I don't see how he manipulated the system by losing 100. If he deposited 50. then gave it to someone else yes but he played a 100 and lost. So I am confused on what the argument is over?

 

[blonde]

Once again I am lost. Did he not say he played 100 in real and lost? If this is the case he spent his 50. to maintain his VIP status. I don't see how he manipulated the system by losing 100. If he deposited 50. then gave it to someone else yes but he played a 100 and lost. So I am confused on what the argument is over?

He stated that he received a gift and won on that. Enzo stated he has not deposited in a bit, been playing on tourney wins apparently. Yes this thread is definitely getting confusing just a tad bit.

 

[bb28]

You've been doing these kind of threads, re: 3D, in one form or another for YEARS. Do you just get bored and consider it entertainment? lol

Seriously......just look at your below post. You take a personal dig at Nifty and you purposely use inflammatory words trying to gather support, "caught". lol IMO, the point you (fail to make) is a complete fallacy based on nothing other than you trying to get something for nothing. It's an illusion you are trying to set up for some reason, perhaps you get bored, perhaps you are pissed about not winning enough, maybe you just like to debate..........but your claims don't seem to have any real merit. You are just trying to inflame and incite.

That made me grin. Seriously.

You have a reputation here that I'm not going to get into in any read depth because I don't care. I take every thread on a post by post basis regardless of reputation. If you see me whining or complaining in every thread I've ever posted it only means you don't read very many posts. That's entirely up to you although I'm not sure how you managed to be so selective.

3Dice caught me receiving a single gift and winning money with it. Then they caught me putting it in the safe and then they caught me taking it back out and losing all of it. That is how far your statement remains correct. You can repeat the rest of your accusations a million times and it won't make them any more correct. In fact the stance you've taken for the casino (every casino) against the player (every player) in pretty much every thread I've ever read decreases your credibility in such a debate to the point of being inconsequential.

But like I said, I take every thread on a post by post basis and answer them accordingly. Even if they are relatively insignificant.

 

[bb28]

He stated that he received a gift and won on that. Enzo stated he has not deposited in a bit, been playing on tourney wins apparently. Yes this thread is definitely getting confusing just a tad bit.

That's (confusion) is the goal, me thinks.

 

[Jasminebed]

Hey Jas,

But you would be VIP as the playthrough on each of the $100 lots would make you a bronze (something) star or higher so you would retain VIP status.

Not necessarily, if my luck was bad and I played games with lower contributions than slots. For instance, Blackjack is only 10% contribution, so if I made $50 bets, and lost four weeks in a row (might be less than 8 hands if I split or doubled), I would only generate play on $40, which would earn me 2 comp points, 98 short of redeeming $1.