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OK so the big factor here is because the 25.00 he received was a gift? So what!! I cant deposit sometimes and have to make outside arrangements and get gifts all the time. Who cares how he got the money. Maybe his wife plays on 3dice and she deposits 100 and gifts him 25. who cares. The money was in his acct he played and lost 100. Those are the simple facts- he didn't give the money to anyone else he played it and lost. A gift is considered a deposit. Who cares how he got the money the point is he made 100 and then lost 100.
 
OK so the big factor here is because the 25.00 he received was a gift? So what!! I cant deposit sometimes and have to make outside arrangements and get gifts all the time. Who cares how he got the money. Maybe his wife plays on 3dice and she deposits 100 and gifts him 25. who cares. The money was in his acct he played and lost 100. Those are the simple facts- he didn't give the money to anyone else he played it and lost. A gift is considered a deposit. Who cares how he got the money the point is he made 100 and then lost 100.

No one but Skiny says the gift was a problem. Apparently he wants everyone to think it is and he has been put at a disadvantage. He is manipulating words and sometimes people to sway them over. He wants people to side with him against 3 D because he isn't happy over the way he wanted to manipulate the system that 3D has in place. I think skiny sits back and laughs a bit when what he set out to do seems to be working. Are you buying what he is selling?
 
OK it's like I said in a previous post. I don't see how he was manipulating the system. He received 25. he played it won 100. put in safe played the 100 lost. I do that all the time how is that manipulating the system? What am I missing? I'm feeling really blonde here and lost.
 
3dice caught you, and others, manipulating their system to attain VIP perks. Get over it.


The bolded part above shows exactly who doesn't read posts...and it ain't me.

I also notice you have sunk to the depths of describing my credibility as being "inconsequential". You need to find a better way to argue your point when challenged than hurling personal insults. I am sarcastic at times, and some things and points of view annoy me, but you will NEVER see me slagging off someone's opinion by describing them/it as "useless" or "meaningless". It's the difference between you and me skiny.....you get nasty and personal when you're behind the 8 ball, and I just find a better argument and more facts. I might not present it with flowers and candles, but I always respect an opinion, even though I may disagree with it.

Anyway, no more derails for me.,...back to the topic

I respected your opinion until it became a blatant accusation. "3dice caught you manipulating the system." That is when your "opinion" became inconsequential and meaningless. There is no possible way you can know what I was doing when I was playing and yet you call me a cheat. Then you have the nerve to get offended because someone insulted you. That's pretty sad. I've seen you slag off players many times. I've seen the posts complaining about it. I've also seen you take the holier than thou attitude when they snap back. So my post offended you. "Get over it."

You've been doing these kind of threads, re: 3D, in one form or another for YEARS. Do you just get bored and consider it entertainment? lol

Seriously......just look at your below post. You take a personal dig at Nifty and you purposely use inflammatory words trying to gather support, "caught". lol IMO, the point you (fail to make) is a complete fallacy based on nothing other than you trying to get something for nothing. It's an illusion you are trying to set up for some reason, perhaps you get bored, perhaps you are pissed about not winning enough, maybe you just like to debate..........but your claims don't seem to have any real merit. You are just trying to inflame and incite.

I took no digs at Nifty until his opinion became accusation and Nifty is no angel or saint around here by any means.

Since when was gambling trying to get something for nothing? The money in my account was MY Money. It was not a tournament win. I had the choice to withdraw it or risk it to try to win more. I did exactly that. I gambled it and won more. Since when is that considered getting something for nothing? Do you even read what you type?


No one but Skiny says the gift was a problem. Apparently he wants everyone to think it is and he has been put at a disadvantage. He is manipulating words and sometimes people to sway them over. He wants people to side with him against 3 D because he isn't happy over the way he wanted to manipulate the system that 3D has in place. I think skiny sits back and laughs a bit when what he set out to do seems to be working. Are you buying what he is selling?

I have never said the gift was a problem. I said the gift was my own money. It didn't belong to the casino before it was sent to me and it didn't belong to the casino after it was sent to me. It was not casino property until I wagered it and lost it. In fact once I won 100 dollars with it, the entire 100 dollars ceased to be casino property. Just because it sits in my 3Dice safe does not make it casino property.

Now that will be the last time I try to explain this very simple concept to you because you quite obviously fail to understand it intentionally. You want to claim that I manipulated the system regardless of how unfounded the accusation is.

You and Nifty continually claim some sort of manipulation, abuse or cheating took place with absolutely no logical reason or proof simply because you want to side with the casino. There is no other reason than that. Your posts in this thread have about as much substance as much as Nisobar's "I heart 3dice"
 
Let's keep the thread focused and drop the personal jabs - thank you.

And if someone could summarize this thread in one short paragraph (no more than three short sentences), it would be appreciated.
 
OK, skiny take CM's advice, sum it up for us who are too simple minded to understand. :rolleyes:
 
Let's keep the thread focused and drop the personal jabs - thank you.

And if someone could summarize this thread in one short paragraph (no more than three short sentences), it would be appreciated.

To play 3dice tournaments you need either to generate enough playthrough for the lowest vip level, or a $50 deposit each month. Previously you could apparently deposit from your safe in 3dice cashier to make this $50 deposit but they changed it so that you need to deposit from outside the casino. The discussion is between the sides thinking this is good (it's abusable because you don't really need to gamble to play tournaments) or bad (money in the safe is your money and can easily be withdrawn and redeposited).
 
FYI Bryan, the 3Dice safe is an area in the cashier where you can move your funds to either stash them away for later use, or withdraw to your preferred method. It's pretty much a perpetual pending cashout which can be reversed at any time, or confirmed as a withdrawal.

What some players, including skiny, were doing is putting their winnings in the safe and only reversing funds up to $50 to qualify for the VIP tournaments. In other words, just recycling their balance in and out of the safe with little or no intention of actual playing. Unlike most casinos, 3dice allowed funds withdrawn from the safe to be considered "deposits". Now they have changed their policy so that only fresh deposits from outside the casino count for tournament entry, which is in line with industry standards.

Players affected are screaming because they cannot now just leave cash in their safe and reverse it and put it back in the safe every month (when I say "players" only one has identified themselves here and they have a long personal history of issues with 3dice).

3Dice has made changes to reward only those who genuinely want to play and show loyalty, and I think that is totally reasonable, and Enzo explained it fully and comprehensively.


P.S. NOBODY has accused ANYONE of cheating.
 
This rule only affects people that were trying to 'ride' the system to begin with - I don't feel we have any obligation towards those particular players - they just make our job more difficult and have a negative impact on our community.
I understand that what I don't like is Enzo even stating its only for a chosen few. I don't like that thought process. It should be one for all -rules should not be adjusted because of who you are? If there is a problem of cheating just close accounts. RTG and other software platforms don't say well it this person lets do that. How many times has a player lost money because of a play thru mistake and the other software says no those are the rules. If your gonna make a rule you need to apply it to everyone - when a casino picks and chooses it scares me.
 
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I don't get it Nifty. If Skiny cash out the money it won't cost him anything and he would get the money in just a few hours.
Then he can make a new deposit for $50 or $100 back in to the casino, and that wouldn't cost him anything either.
Only the casino would lose isn't it so?

I can't see how he abusing any system at all. I just can't see it no matter how many times I reading all of these posts in this thread.
 
I don't get it Nifty. If Skiny cash out the money it won't cost him anything and he would get the money in just a few hours.
Then he can make a new deposit for $50 or $100 back in to the casino, and that wouldn't cost him anything either.
Only the casino would lose isn't it so?

I can't see how he abusing any system at all. I just can't see it no matter how many times I reading all of these posts in this thread.

new deposits are required to at least 1x rollover or at the casino's policy at the time of deposit a long while back when 3 d was just beyond new around here i remember a player that droped off ten thou if my memory serves me corect and playe a very small miniscule amount then put in for a cash out but enzo caught him trying to use 3 dice for a free money delivery service
 
This is how I see it:

The tournament prizes are gifts from the casino, free money you can win. It's intended to be a reward for players who bring money into the casino from outside. You know, Behavioral Psychology 101? If you reward individuals when they do something, they will continue doing that thing. Nothing wrong about that at all.

What the casino obviously wants to do here, after (and this is important), I repeat, AFTER studying who is playing the tournaments, is to stop rewarding individuals whose habitual behavior doesn't bring outside money in.

The casino controls the black box here. I'm sorry, but they get to play puppet master, as far as I'm concerned, end of story.
 
new deposits are required to at least 1x rollover or at the casino's policy at the time of deposit a long while back when 3 d was just beyond new around here i remember a player that droped off ten thou if my memory serves me corect and playe a very small miniscule amount then put in for a cash out but enzo caught him trying to use 3 dice for a free money delivery service

Thanks rockycatt!
Then I get it. 3Dice is a place where people like to be chatting and playing free tournaments, and that money would only have lasted for two month?
I won't ask any more stupid questions.
 
I don't get it Nifty. If Skiny cash out the money it won't cost him anything and he would get the money in just a few hours.
Then he can make a new deposit for $50 or $100 back in to the casino, and that wouldn't cost him anything either.
Only the casino would lose isn't it so?

I can't see how he abusing any system at all. I just can't see it no matter how many times I reading all of these posts in this thread.

Thing is, it isn't just about the recycling of cash back and forth from the safe. If the player generates enough playthrough each month I.e. risks their own funds enough, then they automatically qualify for VIP perks regardless of where the money came from. Enzo ALSO allowed players who didn't make the playthrough requirements, but had deposited min $50, to be included in the tourneys. In this way, if you could only afford $50 a month, but you played it to zero i.e. wagered as much as you were able, you would still be considered eligible.....which is fair and generous to low rollers.

The players affected by the change were simply depositing the $50 out of their safe, generating a tiny playthrough, or perhaps even none at all, and then putting all or most of the $50, and perhaps a few bucks extra in winnings, back in the safe to pull out and use next month. It is a blatant misuse of the system that was designed to cater for those who were happy to deposit what they could afford and play. Players who have $100 in their safe for example, and deposit $50 at the start of the month, play a few spins, and put it back in the safe should NOT be eligible under the exception rule as they are NOT genuinely spending what they can afford and actually COULD generate the minimum.playthrough required for normal VIP status if they took the $100 and played for a reasonable amount of time. However, their intention is clearly to NOT generate the required playthrough, but RATHER to satisfy the $50 min deposit exception rule to gain pretty much FREE access to the VIP tourneys that everyone else has to pay for.....and that is totally unfair to the other loyal players who actually put their funds at risk.

It should be noted that the whole idea of whether players are depositing from the safe or via external deposit is irrelevant. A player depositing $50 by skrill who plays a few spins and stores the cash in the safe to re-use next month to qualify for VIP tourneys is just as culpable, and I think you'll find that 3dice would not allow it to continue.

So, in essence, it is about what these players DO with their funds, not just about where they come from. If skiny or anyone else took $50 from their safe and lost it all, but didnt make the playthrough for VIP, then they should qualify as they showed a genuine intention to put their funds at risk. However, this is not the case.
 
Thanks rockycatt!
Then I get it. 3Dice is a place where people like to be chatting and playing free tournaments, and that money would only have lasted for two month?
I won't ask any more stupid questions.

i totaly didn't mean that post as a jab but only to point out a extreme example i apologise if it offend you
 
i totaly didn't mean that post as a jab but only to point out a extreme example i apologise if it offend you

You didn't offend me. It's totally okey:thumbsup:

I am just so surprised that anyone would do as described. It is a smart move if it's allowed, but for me and my concience it wouldn't be an option. I never cash out any free money without putting some of it back.

I believe all of us are confused, especially if we don't play there ourselves.
When reading Skinys posts I agree with him, but then I read the others and they sound right too.
Sorry! ;)I'm just staying out of this.
 
Nifty I understand completely what you are saying however here is where I am confused- Skiny said he lost 100. so he didn't just stop at 50. and redeposit- he lost 100 - so unless they are nailing him for months past but he played and lost 100. (my head is really starting to hurt lol)
 
Nifty I understand completely what you are saying however here is where I am confused- Skiny said he lost 100. so he didn't just stop at 50. and redeposit- he lost 100 - so unless they are nailing him for months past but he played and lost 100. (my head is really starting to hurt lol)

Well that might be the case. Otherwise, I can't see how skiny giving the casino $90 back doesn't qualify, as he did lose the funds back to the casino that he could have well have walked out the door with.....even I'm confused now :confused:

ENZO????? HELP!!!!
 
Well that might be the case. Otherwise, I can't see how skiny giving the casino $90 back doesn't qualify, as he did lose the funds back to the casino that he could have well have walked out the door with.....even I'm confused now :confused:

ENZO????? HELP!!!!

Now I feel much better with my questions.
I love a confused Nifty:p
 
FYI Bryan, the 3Dice safe is an area in the cashier where you can move your funds to either stash them away for later use, or withdraw to your preferred method. It's pretty much a perpetual pending cashout which can be reversed at any time, or confirmed as a withdrawal.

The safe isn't a "perpetual pending cashout" It's a storage area. Sort of like a bank account. Money is "withdrawn" from a players current balance into the safe. The money in the safe can be withdrawn from the casino or "deposited" back into the players current balance. Players keep money in their safe with no intention of withdrawing it. Many players keep all of their money in the safe and only redeposit back into their current balance what they want to play that session. I've done this since I started playing at this casino.

What some players, including skiny, were doing is putting their winnings in the safe and only reversing funds up to $50 to qualify for the VIP tournaments. In other words, just recycling their balance in and out of the safe with little or no intention of actual playing.

You make one hell of a lot of assumptions and accusations for someone who has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. I'm starting to wonder if you even know what the word recycle means. I received a single gift from another player. I won some money with it. I put it in the safe. I withdrew it in smaller amounts and lost it all over time. How the hell is using something ONE TIME recycling it?

Unlike most casinos, 3dice allowed funds withdrawn from the safe to be considered "deposits". Now they have changed their policy so that only fresh deposits from outside the casino count for tournament entry, which is in line with industry standards.

Which is perfectly fine except nobody was aware of it. I started this thread to raise the awareness. If you read the first post it wasn't even a complaint. It was a simple statement of fact.

Players affected are screaming because they cannot now just leave cash in their safe and reverse it and put it back in the safe every month (when I say "players" only one has identified themselves here and they have a long personal history of issues with 3dice).

Only one identified himself because only one created the thread and now I'm wondering if you know what the word screaming means.

3Dice has made changes to reward only those who genuinely want to play and show loyalty, and I think that is totally reasonable, and Enzo explained it fully and comprehensively.

After I brought the subject up. Policy changes should be announced, not quietly instituted so people find out by accident.

P.S. NOBODY has accused ANYONE of cheating.

3dice caught you, and others, manipulating their system to attain VIP perks. Get over it.

Unbelievable. All I can do is shake my head. Sometimes I wonder if people even know what they're typing.


This is how I see it:

The tournament prizes are gifts from the casino, free money you can win. It's intended to be a reward for players who bring money into the casino from outside. You know, Behavioral Psychology 101? If you reward individuals when they do something, they will continue doing that thing. Nothing wrong about that at all.

What the casino obviously wants to do here, after (and this is important), I repeat, AFTER studying who is playing the tournaments, is to stop rewarding individuals whose habitual behavior doesn't bring outside money in.

The casino controls the black box here. I'm sorry, but they get to play puppet master, as far as I'm concerned, end of story.

Gifts from one player to another player always counted as deposits. As far as I know this hasn't changed. It would make no difference if I or anyone else hasn't deposited at this casino in 10 years. A gift from another player would still count as a deposit. And money won with that deposit would still count as real money winnings. The only thing that has changed is when you put your real money winnings in the safe, withdrawing it no longer counts as a deposit. I'm not even saying the rule shouldn't have changed. I'm saying people should have been made aware of it. My original post made people aware of it.[/QUOTE]

And you have no idea what the casino wants to do or what they studied so the rest is just what you think might have happened.

Thing is, it isn't just about the recycling of cash back and forth from the safe. If the player generates enough playthrough each month I.e. risks their own funds enough, then they automatically qualify for VIP perks regardless of where the money came from. Enzo ALSO allowed players who didn't make the playthrough requirements, but had deposited min $50, to be included in the tourneys. In this way, if you could only afford $50 a month, but you played it to zero i.e. wagered as much as you were able, you would still be considered eligible.....which is fair and generous to low rollers.

Anytime you take your money out of the safe and gamble it you're risking your own funds. I didn't take the money out and put it back. I took the money out and gambled the amount I took out many times over. In fact in the end I lost it all. If I was recycling it I would still have it.

The players affected by the change were simply depositing the $50 out of their safe, generating a tiny playthrough, or perhaps even none at all, and then putting all or most of the $50, and perhaps a few bucks extra in winnings, back in the safe to pull out and use next month. It is a blatant misuse of the system that was designed to cater for those who were happy to deposit what they could afford and play. Players who have $100 in their safe for example, and deposit $50 at the start of the month, play a few spins, and put it back in the safe should NOT be eligible under the exception rule as they are NOT genuinely spending what they can afford and actually COULD generate the minimum.playthrough required for normal VIP status if they took the $100 and played for a reasonable amount of time. However, their intention is clearly to NOT generate the required playthrough, but RATHER to satisfy the $50 min deposit exception rule to gain pretty much FREE access to the VIP tourneys that everyone else has to pay for.....and that is totally unfair to the other loyal players who actually put their funds at risk.

Great story. Too bad it has nothing to do with what actually happened. I withdrew the money to the safe once. Redeposited it in smaller amounts and lost it.

It should be noted that the whole idea of whether players are depositing from the safe or via external deposit is irrelevant. A player depositing $50 by skrill who plays a few spins and stores the cash in the safe to re-use next month to qualify for VIP tourneys is just as culpable, and I think you'll find that 3dice would not allow it to continue.

So, in essence, it is about what these players DO with their funds, not just about where they come from. If skiny or anyone else took $50 from their safe and lost it all, but didnt make the playthrough for VIP, then they should qualify as they showed a genuine intention to put their funds at risk. However, this is not the case.

ummm.... Have you read anything that was typed by anyone but you since this thread started?
 
The safe isn't a "perpetual pending cashout" It's a storage area. Sort of like a bank account. Money is "withdrawn" from a players current balance into the safe. The money in the safe can be withdrawn from the casino or "deposited" back into the players current balance. Players keep money in their safe with no intention of withdrawing it. Many players keep all of their money in the safe and only redeposit back into their current balance what they want to play that session. I've done this since I started playing at this casino.



You make one hell of a lot of assumptions and accusations for someone who has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. I'm starting to wonder if you even know what the word recycle means. I received a single gift from another player. I won some money with it. I put it in the safe. I withdrew it in smaller amounts and lost it all over time. How the hell is using something ONE TIME recycling it?



Which is perfectly fine except nobody was aware of it. I started this thread to raise the awareness. If you read the first post it wasn't even a complaint. It was a simple statement of fact.



Only one identified himself because only one created the thread and now I'm wondering if you know what the word screaming means.



After I brought the subject up. Policy changes should be announced, not quietly instituted so people find out by accident.





Unbelievable. All I can do is shake my head. Sometimes I wonder if people even know what they're typing.




Gifts from one player to another player always counted as deposits. As far as I know this hasn't changed. It would make no difference if I or anyone else hasn't deposited at this casino in 10 years. A gift from another player would still count as a deposit. And money won with that deposit would still count as real money winnings. The only thing that has changed is when you put your real money winnings in the safe, withdrawing it no longer counts as a deposit. I'm not even saying the rule shouldn't have changed. I'm saying people should have been made aware of it. My original post made people aware of it
And you have no idea what the casino wants to do or what they studied so the rest is just what you think might have happened.



Anytime you take your money out of the safe and gamble it you're risking your own funds. I didn't take the money out and put it back. I took the money out and gambled the amount I took out many times over. In fact in the end I lost it all. If I was recycling it I would still have it.



Great story. Too bad it has nothing to do with what actually happened. I withdrew the money to the safe once. Redeposited it in smaller amounts and lost it.



ummm.... Have you read anything that was typed by anyone but you since this thread started?

Once again skiny, you have shown that you cannot argue a point without making personal jabs.

Where I come from "you don't know what you're talking about" and "sometimes I wonder if people even know what they're typing" and "Have you read anything that was typed by anyone but you since this thread started" are personal insults that add nothing to the discussion whatsoever. Please provide an example of where I have personally insulted you in this thread. Happy hunting. :thumbsup:

I must say, you are very passionate about this decision taken by 3Dice (for someone who "isn't complaining").

I've asked Enzo to confirm if it was past behaviour or this specific situation that led to your safe deposits not counting....because, on the face of it, you lost the $100 fair and square....but the question is, what were you doing in previous months?

If it turns out it is this specific situation (seems unlikely as the policy had obviously already changed), then I believe 3Dice got it wrong in this specific situation of yours and should give you access.

If it turns out your past depositing/safe moving behaviour is the reason, then it shows you aren't telling the whole story.

Let's wait and see eh?


@mistertee - nice high fiving of a post full of insults. It's a shame you couldn't make a more worthwhile contribution to the thread.
 
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I took the liberty of going back and reading Enzo's post again and do notice that he gives clarification (see bolded and underlined) on when Skiny made his last deposit and how the money came to be in his safe.

So.....IMO and apparently Enzo's also, if you don't deposit 50 bucks, then you are no longer a VIP. It's quite simple actually. So again.........skiny's problem is that he thought he had figured out a way to work around it so he could remain a vip and play the tourny's, which I think is a pretty shitty thing to do. :eek: I also bet his gift that he played out was given by someone close to him, who knew exactly what the deal was and was aiding him in trying to work around the requirements. So Choc and the rest of you who do pay your dues and make your deposits, aren't you just a little perturbed that someone is ripping 3D and yes you off too? Afterall he has been playing the vip tourneys when he was NOT a vip.

There........I said it, the no bs version. :D


That's open for interpretation - your last actual deposit was well over a month ago - you didn't withdraw on that. Since then you've only played (many) tourneywins and gifts from other players (which were also tourney wins). The safe withdraw you speak of was won on one of those - not on an actual deposit. Had I implemented this rule earlier you would have had no safe withdraw to begin with - instead you would have lost your VIP status at the beginning of the month which in this case would have been much more fair. (A bronze* player that doesn't deposit or generate enough playthrough for over a month is not supposed to retain his VIP status.)



This rule only affects people that were trying to 'ride' the system to begin with - I don't feel we have any obligation towards those particular players - they just make our job more difficult and have a negative impact on our community. Every player that's in the VIP's that shouldn't be reduces the odds for legitimate players to win in those tournaments. The safe is an exceptional withdraw method on which we allow ultimate freedom. The suggestion you make that abusers will now simply use e.g. moneybookers instead of the safe is not valid. Depositing and withdrawing to the safe without actual play is no problem at all - doing that repeatedly to an external processor will result in the transaction costs being subtracted - and if we feel its all just a setup to take advantage of the $50 exception - which is in place for unlucky players - then it'll simply result in closure of the account. We have free tournaments that are always open to everyone - the VIP tournaments however are for the players that generate enough play to stay in the VIP system - and we owe it to those regular and valued players to make sure that the same requirements to get in apply to everyone.

I sincerely doubt any legitimate players have been impacted by this rule (we've verified who was going to be impacted before this was implemented) - and even if that were the case, I know for a fact that my support team is quite capable of assessing the situation and make manual adjustments where needed.

Regards,

Enzo
 
Once again skiny, you have shown that you cannot argue a point without making personal jabs.

Where I come from "you don't know what you're talking about" and "sometimes I wonder if people even know what they're typing" and "Have you read anything that was typed by anyone but you since this thread started" are personal insults that add nothing to the discussion whatsoever. Please provide an example of where I have personally insulted you in this thread. Happy hunting. :thumbsup:

When you accuse me of abusing the system or manipulating the system it is an insult. I did neither. When you continue to accuse me of it over and over in spite of how many times I've explained to you exacty what I did then I have to wonder if you do read what I'm typing. Either you are not reading it or you are purposely ignoring it. And when you accuse anyone of cheating (abusing or manipulating the casino is cheating) and then ask when you insulted him then yes, I have to wonder if you're even reading what you're typing.

I must say, you are very passionate about this decision taken by 3Dice (for someone who "isn't complaining").

I don't know if you've noticed (again, I'm wondering if you're reading any of this) I never once said that 3Dice shouldn't change the rules. I said I would like to have been informed of them. That's when you and BB started accusing me of all kinds of things with absolutely no reason. So yes, I complained once (sort of) that 3Dice should have made players aware of the changes.

I've asked Enzo to confirm if it was past behaviour or this specific situation that led to your safe deposits not counting....because, on the face of it, you lost the $100 fair and square....but the question is, what were you doing in previous months?

If it turns out it is this specific situation (seems unlikely as the policy had obviously already changed), then I believe 3Dice got it wrong in this specific situation of yours and should give you access.

If it turns out your past depositing/safe moving behaviour is the reason, then it shows you aren't telling the whole story.

Let's wait and see eh?

Skiny, did you deposit your 50 bucks this month and last month?

You can ask Enzo anything you like. According to their own rules they're not allowed to discuss other people's accounts anyway. Not that it makes any difference because it does not matter if I have never deposited at 3Dice in my life.

It was a gift from another player. Gifts are deposits. Money won with gifts is real money. Money wagered with that money is real money wagers. And up until the day this thread started money deposited from the safe to a players current balance counted as a deposit.

If Enzo wanted to go hunting for players abusing the system that's perfectly fine with me. It makes no difference. How many times does it have to be explained to you that NO ABUSE TOOK PLACE? I did exactly the same thing I've done and countless other players have been doing for years.

I am seriously not explaining this again. You two are either incapable of understanding this or purposely refusing to but all you're doing by making me repeat the same very simple concepts and events over and over is making yourselves look silly.

edit - When Enzo said "gifts from other players" I'm pretty sure he meant "gift" from other players because there was only one since my last deposit. Jas sent me a surprise fiver quite a while ago which was very kind of her and lasted about 4 minutes (lol). And the last one before that is beyond my memory. So we can stop pluralizing the word gift.
 
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