New Slot Announcement Extra Chilli, BTG

[dunover]

Thanks to the newly posted link, I have been playing the slot for about an hour or so. Perhaps I have been unlucky, but the balance was dropping pretty fast on £2 spins. Much faster than Bonanza.

Here is a question that somebody may be able to answer. In terms of maths, because of the coin drops it surely has to be taken from somewhere. In other words, the RTP during the base game has to be lower than Bonanza surely as eventually you are going to get a "free" feature?

Yes, it is - you won't quite see the base game 'balance maintenance' as you do on Bonanza but the feature purchase will happen quite regularly through the coins to compensate, regardless of random feature triggers.

 

[bluebirdy]

So you're saying that if BTG were to hold a competition here on CM with the winner that posts the biggest multiplier win gets first prize, those that buy the feature may as well not bother entering.

Person 1, that naturally spins the feature in post a screen shot of a £2,000 win on a £1 spin = 2,000x

Person 2 that bought the feature had a monster win of £20,000 on a £50 feature buy = 400x

You declare person 1 to be the winner?

When somebody posts a winning screen shot in the winning screen shot section over 1,000x you are going to interrogate the poster whether they did or didn't buy the feature?

how BTG look at the biggest win is nothing to to do with it you.

buy a feature at £50 it cost £50 your return has fuck all to do with the stake value if you buy it at £50 and win £200 you get 4x the price of feature. if you buy at £50 and get o is that mean you lost 50x stake lol or just lost the feature value £50


if feature drops in then it's on the stake value

 

[interlog]

how BTG look at the biggest win is nothing to to do with it you.

buy a feature at £50 it cost £50 your return has fuck all to do with the stake value if you buy it at £50 and win £200 you get 4x the price of feature. if you buy at £50 and get o is that mean you lost 50x stake lol or just lost the feature value £50


if feature drops in then it's on the stake value

As I said a few posts ago, I was playing in fun mode a bit. The feature eventually dropped in after I lost £250 on £2 spins. In other words, I invested £250 to get the feature.

The feature buy is an investment you make to buy the feature at the same stake as dropping it in naturally. It is a gamble you take. You either spin and hope it doesn't cost you as much as buying it outright or you just buy it outright in the hope it otherwise would have cost you more to get by naturally spinning the slot.

 

[aceking123]

A spin is defined per stake per one round meaning one click.
All of you should know this , does not matter which angle you look at it , whether that means buying the feature or not , the bottom line is if you click a spin at £50 quid that is the stake you have spent , regardless to what you win in the feature if you win £300 its 6x your total bet & yes thats your total bet because one click is £50 as stated.

Its just a nicked idea from barcrest they're slots have this buy feature, which has more than likely come from FOBTS ( fixed odds betting terminals ).

You either like this sort of thing or not , nobody's telling you to click that button , its down to personal choice thats all )

As per terms in maybe most casinos why would the casinos deem this as breaking the max bet rule if this is not classed as a £50 per spin. they would not pretty simple.

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[shadow123]

Would be nice to get a standard on how the feature was obtained before we get inundated by f*%*g game posts next week.
Something simple like N for natural B for bought ie N x 100 or B x 10.

 

[interlog]

Let's make it a little more complicated.

Player C comes on the scene and posts a £1,000 screen shot on £1 stake. After being asked, he says that the feature dropped in off the back of the coin drops eventually giving him a free bonus round.

What is the multiplier win?

 

[shadow123]

Thats right , just destroy my brilliant idea .
Ok quite simple ,C is coin drop feature,CB is part coin drop part bought, so CB x 12 is um well, I come back later

 

[bluebirdy]

As I said a few posts ago, I was playing in fun mode a bit. The feature eventually dropped in after I lost £250 on £2 spins. In other words, I invested £250 to get the feature.

The feature buy is an investment you make to buy the feature at the same stake as dropping it in naturally. It is a gamble you take. You either spin and hope it doesn't cost you as much as buying it outright or you just buy it outright in the hope it otherwise would have cost you more to get by naturally spinning the slot.

you could have £5O in your account playing at £1 stake and have 3 features drop in playing x amount of spins or you might not get one.

but as people on here have been saying the feature should drop in more than it did on bonanza so why have a buy if it drops in a lot more

 

[brianmon]

Let's make it a little more complicated.

Player C comes on the scene and posts a £1,000 screen shot on £1 stake. After being asked, he says that the feature dropped in off the back of the coin drops eventually giving him a free bonus round.

What is the multiplier win?

If the price of a feature buy drops to zero, does the feature automatically start?

 

[bluebirdy]

Let's make it a little more complicated.

Player C comes on the scene and posts a £1,000 screen shot on £1 stake. After being asked, he says that the feature dropped in off the back of the coin drops eventually giving him a free bonus round.

What is the multiplier win?

it he didn't buy its a free feature thats played at the stake you have, so win would be 1000 times

 

[bluebirdy]

If the price of a feature buy drops to zero, does the feature automatically start?

yes same as white rabbit

 

[brianmon]

well how about making the formula for the multiplier (feature win - cost)/set stake
where the cost could equal £50 for a buy, £1 for a natural and £0 for a coin= zero trigger
and the set stake is £1 or whatever you're spinning at.

If you happen to get 5 scatters on IR paying £60 and the feature itself pays £6, you may have won 220x for that press of the spin button. but the feature has only actually paid x20.

It's all about how you want to interperate it.
The streamers/youtubers/affiliates want to 'advertise' the biggest number, where as the players are more concerned with the effect on their balance

 

[interlog]

well how about making the formula for the multiplier (feature win - cost)/set stake
where the cost could equal £50 for a buy, £1 for a natural and £0 for a coin= zero trigger
and the set stake is £1 or whatever you're spinning at.

If you happen to get 5 scatters on IR paying £60 and the feature itself pays £6, you may have won 220x for that press of the spin button. but the feature has only actually paid x20.

It's all about how you want to interperate it.
The streamers/youtubers/affiliates want to 'advertise' the biggest number, where as the players are more concerned with the effect on their balance

Except that you needed to have done a minimum of 25 spins for the drop coins to go down to zero. So that is at least £25 worth of £1 spins. But it can be more than that. It can be £40 worth of coin drop spins.

It is a "feature" buy. In other words it is going to cost you £50 to get a feature at £1 spin value.

To get to the same point playing naturally (that is to get a feature) can take you between £1 and £xxx of losses (i.e. the amount it costs). Perhaps it doesn't cost you anything because the base game got you to a profit point before the feature drops in naturally.

Yet, with the latter you base the feature win on £1 but with the former on £50?

 

[brianmon]

Except that you needed to have done a minimum of 25 spins for the drop coins to go down to zero. So that is at least £25 worth of £1 spins. But it can be more than that. It can be £40 worth of coin drop spins.

It is a "feature" buy. In other words it is going to cost you £50 to get a feature at £1 spin value.

To get to the same point playing naturally (that is to get a feature) can take you between £1 and £xxx of losses (i.e. the amount it costs). Perhaps it doesn't cost you anything because the base game got you to a profit point before the feature drops in naturally.

Yet, with the latter you base the feature win on £1 but with the former on £50?

Because, like you say, playing the base game and getting a feature naturally, could 'cost' you nothing, if the base game maintains your balance.
BUT buying a bonus is straight £50 'loss', which you hope the feature will make back up (plus, hopefully, with a profit).
What happens if you start with £100 and due to base game wins, your balance is at £200 when the feature drops naturally?
it hasn't cost you -£100 to trigger. it's cost you £1

 

[interlog]

Because, like you say, playing the base game and getting a feature naturally, could 'cost' you nothing, if the base game maintains your balance.
BUT buying a bonus is straight £50 'loss', which you hope the feature will make back up (plus, hopefully, with a profit).
What happens if you start with £100 and due to base game wins, your balance is at £200 when the feature drops naturally?
it hasn't cost you -£100 to trigger. it's cost you £1

And the opposite applies too. Start with £100 and you buy the feature at £50 so you're £50 in.

Play naturally and you trigger the feature at a balance of £40 - you're £60 in.

So either you base the multiplier win on what it costs you to get to the feature or you base it on the spin value of the feature. You can't mix and match them in my opinion.

 

[brianmon]

Casinos only exempt 'White Rabbit' from bonus play. because you could potentially play the feature cost down to a minimum level with bonus money, zero out the bonus, then deposit cash to buy the bonus. especially if it's an NDB

But buying a feature at £50 with a bonus, will be considered playing a £50 spin, which will be more than the max bet allowed.
So as far as the casinos are concerned, the amount taken from your balance, when you press either spin or buy, is your stake.
So the multiplier is win divided by stake

 

[brianmon]

And the opposite applies too. Start with £100 and you buy the feature at £50 so you're £50 in.

Play naturally and you trigger the feature at a balance of £40 - you're £60 in.

So either you base the multiplier win on what it costs you to get to the feature or you base it on the spin value of the feature. You can't mix and match them in my opinion.

you don't play any other game and base the feature win on what you've previously spent or lost, getting to that feature.
Just because you can buy a feature, doesn't make any difference.
the stake is whatever is taken from your balance when you press a particular button.

I'd be interested to hear your argument with a casino who confiscate your winnings, whilst playing with a bonus, who see a feature buy as a £50 stake, and therefore over max bet, that your stake was only actually £1

 

[interlog]

you don't play any other game and base the feature win on what you've previously spent or lost, getting to that feature.
Just because you can buy a feature, doesn't make any difference.
the stake is whatever is taken from your balance when you press a particular button.

I'd be interested to hear your argument with a casino who confiscate your winnings, whilst playing with a bonus, who see a feature buy as a £50 stake, and therefore over max bet, that your stake was only actually £1

You would have staked £50 but in one go rather than do multiple stakes getting to the feature.

The way I see it that it is a feature buy. It gets you to a point in the game where you get a feature. In order to not compare oranges with applies you need to work out what it costs to get to that point in the game. You either spent £50 to get it immediate or alternative play it naturally where it can cost £x where x is an unknown amount.

Besides, the point is moot anyway because the multiplier win is the amount won divided by the value of the spin. And the value of the spin is the same whether you bought the feature or not.

 

[colinsunderland]

Well when White Rabbit came out, I asked both Casumo and LeoVegas if buying a £50 feature using bonus funds would be allowed as the stake amount is 50p. Both times they came back (after checking with someone else) and said the stake is the amount it costs you to spin, therefore £50, so would be over the max bet using a bonus. Neither of these have bonus banned White Rabbit, so I'll stick with the stake amount being the amount it costs to spin the reels .

 

[interlog]

Well when White Rabbit came out, I asked both Casumo and LeoVegas if buying a £50 feature using bonus funds would be allowed as the stake amount is 50p. Both times they came back (after checking with someone else) and said the stake is the amount it costs you to spin, therefore £50, so would be over the max bet using a bonus. Neither of these have bonus banned White Rabbit, so I'll stick with the stake amount being the amount it costs to spin the reels .

So how would you work out the multiplier amount won on the coin drop bearing into account it takes at least 25 spins for the coin drops to trigger the feature?

 

[brianmon]

You would have staked £50 but in one go rather than do multiple stakes getting to the feature.

The way I see it that it is a feature buy. It gets you to a point in the game where you get a feature. In order to not compare oranges with applies you need to work out what it costs to get to that point in the game. You either spent £50 to get it immediate or alternative play it naturally where it can cost £x where x is an unknown amount.

Besides, the point is moot anyway because the multiplier win is the amount won divided by the value of the spin. And the value of the spin is the same whether you bought the feature or not.

And if you buy a feature the 'value' of that spin is £50, or whatever else you may have paid for it

 

[colinsunderland]

So how would you work out the multiplier amount won on the coin drop bearing into account it takes at least 25 spins for the coin drops to trigger the feature?

The coin drop is just part of normal spins isn't it? I would class the stake amount as whatever it has cost you to spin the reels. Theres other games similar isn't there, if it takes 100 x £1 spins to fill the meter to get the free spins, I wouldn't say the stake amount on the free spins was £100 either.

Put it this way, if you buy a feature on this for £100, it returns £50, are you happy with your £48 profit from your £2 stake amount, or pissed off at your £50 loss from your £100 stake?

 

[interlog]

The coin drop is just part of normal spins isn't it? I would class the stake amount as whatever it has cost you to spin the reels. Theres other games similar isn't there, if it takes 100 x £1 spins to fill the meter to get the free spins, I wouldn't say the stake amount on the free spins was £100 either.

Put it this way, if you buy a feature on this for £100, it returns £50, are you happy with your £48 profit from your £2 stake amount, or pissed off at your £50 loss from your £100 stake?

You are "forgetting" about all of the spins where the coins don't drop in, similar that is being forgotten all of the spins where the feature doesn't naturally drop in.

You need to invest to get to a comparable point. The comparable point is feature against feature. In other words, how much does it cost me to get to the feature. Then you either divide the win by that cost or just do it the simple way and divide the win by the value of the spin.

 

[interlog]

And if you buy a feature the 'value' of that spin is £50, or whatever else you may have paid for it

It still spins at £1 a spin, irrespective of how much it has cost you to get to that point.

 

[colinsunderland]

You are "forgetting" about all of the spins where the coins don't drop in, similar that is being forgotten all of the spins where the feature doesn't naturally drop in.

You need to invest to get to a comparable point. The comparable point is feature against feature. In other words, how much does it cost me to get to the feature. Then you either divide the win by that cost or just do it the simple way and divide the win by the value of the spin.

Yes, just as you are forgetting about any wins that come in while spinning normal spins. I do get what you're saying but as you can't say how many spins it takes to get to the feature, you can't work it out like that. I've had a feature on Bonanza on my first spin before, it's also took me over 1000 spins to get there, which has then paid less than 20x stake. As I say, if you buy a feature for £100, you win £50 are you happy or sad?