New Slot Announcement Extra Chilli, BTG

[nikantw]

If some people don't even believe the TRTP is what the help file says, there is nothing more I can say.
Perhaps later, after the release and after lots and lots of spins, we can restart this conversation with more data and clearer head ....

 

[interlog]

According to casinos, using white rabbit as an example, the stake would be £50, as you can't buy a feature using a bonus as it exceeds max stake. Therefore, clearly, the stake is £50/£100 etc.

No one is disputing that £50 is being committed , albeit all in one go

 

[colinsunderland]

No one is disputing that £50 is being committed , albeit all in one go

But you don't say your £200 win on say Book of Dead is 1000 x stake when you are playing £2 a spin because the stake for the winline was only 20p, you use the total stake for the spin, thats about the closest you can get to this for a comparison from what I can see (although would be happy if someone comes up with a better one )

 

[Chipkin9]

Well if cost is irrelevant in order to trigger the feature then why the disagreement? You have a bonus at the spin value and the win is divided by that spin value. And the value of the spin is £1 irrespective if triggered naturally or bought.

Well we should just agree to disagree

There's 2 ways of looking at it. One is that your total bet is £50, therefore if you win £250 you have won 5x your total stake (The right way ), and then there is the other way; the actual spin value of each of the spins meaning you have won 250x despite your total stake being £50 (The wrong way ).

 

[Gaz237]

Well after watching both of Dunovers video reviews.

Not Dunovers fault at all.

But I would say BGT would be cringing at the results.

I know it was only a small sample size, but Chilli makes the rabbit look friendly

 

[goatwack]

All this furore was just the warm up.

Wait til Bonanza II comes out

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[bluebirdy]

Well after watching both of Dunovers video reviews.

Not Dunovers fault at all.

But I would say BGT would be cringing at the results.

I know it was only a small sample size, but Chilli makes the rabbit look friendly

Yer not the best videos to showcase there new slot and new gamble feature

 

[interlog]

But you don't say your £200 win on say Book of Dead is 1000 x stake when you are playing £2 a spin because the stake for the winline was only 20p, you use the total stake for the spin, thats about the closest you can get to this for a comparison from what I can see (although would be happy if someone comes up with a better one )

It spins at £2 no different than that the Chilli bonus round spins at £1. It doesn't spin at £50 though that is what you invested to get the bonus. You could have easily invested say £50 doing normal spins triggering the bonus

 

[dunover]

Must be some horrendous maths involved if the feature spin combinations are not controlled.
Seems a bit fishy to me that 8 spins are worth 50x and 12 spins worth 100x (minus the vtp 3 odd percent)
Sounds too exact bearing in mind that every spin between 9 and 12 has a different and increasing potential value.
Would not know where to start with the calculations. but the 12 spin feature is identical to bonanza so that should be correct.
Funny how the 8 is exactly half.Maybe its me.

It's not necessarily half every time but thinking logically if you successfully gambled to 12 every other 8-spin trigger, thus halving your feature frequency then over time you would double the average outcome of each feature. There's nothing 'fishy' and in fact it's quite logical as the BTG features are simply random spins as you would see in the base game, so if you have only 8 then the likelihood of advancing the multiplier up enough to get bigger hits is far less than it is with 12. As we know, it's the final spins that usually pay best as the multiplier is at, or near its peak. So those 4 (50%) extra spins will quite naturally be more beneficial than just a 50% increase in bonus round returns over time - 100% I'd confidently say due to the exponential nature of the free games set-up.

P.S. Gaz - I don't know why BTG would be 'cringing' at my results given that in my relatively tiny sampling I achieved over 100% RTP?

 

[colinsunderland]

It spins at £2 no different than that the Chilli bonus round spins at £1. It doesn't spin at £50 though that is what you invested to get the bonus. You could have easily invested say £50 doing normal spins triggering the bonus

We shall agree to disagree on this but I can see both sides.
To me, you spin and it takes £50 then your stake is £50, casinos also see it as a £50 stake (or whatever you buy at)
However, it does say Stake £1 (or whatever) in game and I did wonder how a casino would deal with a complaint if they confiscated winnings under the max stake rule, if you sent over a screenshot of the game in question clearly stating Stake £1.

I'm sure some reps are reading this, perhaps they could clarify what their position would be?

 

[dunover]

if you buy feature at £50 and win £200 its 4 x cant be simpler

You aren't comparing like for like my friend!

1. When you buy the feature you are almost guaranteed to get x-amount of the cost back (unless you get one of those extremely rare zero-paying bonuses!)
In the base game a simple £1 spin will yield zero 2/3 of the time.

2. When you buy the feature you are buying at least 8 spins, not just 1 like you'd get in the base game.

3. To cement this fact you'll see, as with White Rabbit, the RTP is higher if you play feature purchase only.

Now you may understand where Interlog is coming from. It's far too simplistic to state categorically "£200 back from a feature buy of £50 is 4x stake" even though the basic calculation is correct - it's too far out of context to view it so.

 

[Nicola]

As it's a Bank Holiday and I had nothing better to do, I brought 100 bonuses at £10 (demo mode) to gamble to see how easy it was to get extra spins.

72 times I lost the gamble and 28 times I won the gamble getting the extra spins. (28% success rate)

The 28 times I won the gamble, I gambled again and won every time (100% success rate) - Weirdly this happened everytime I got H O T +4 to the next level.

 

[dunover]

As it's a Bank Holiday and I had nothing better to do, I brought 100 bonuses at £10 (demo mode) to gamble to see how easy it was to get extra spins.

72 times I lost the gamble and 28 times I won the gamble getting the extra spins. (28% success rate)

The 28 times I won the gamble, I gambled again and won every time (100% success rate) - Weirdly this happened everytime I got H O T +4 to the next level.

Pretty much my experience today! I felt that the odds on the 8-12 gamble were pretty much less than 50-50 in reality, whereas like your good self I noticed the 12-16 rarely lost, as did the 16-20. The 20-24 was about the same as the 16-20 in success rate. One thing I did observe that could be total coincidence is that when I got the 'winning loss' gamble i.e. 16-20 which yielded 8 spins or the 20-24 which yielded 12 if I lost, retriggers tended to occur frequently. I did several gambles up to 20 but didn't take on the last gamble to 24 and 2/4 of those rounds of 20 retriggered once. Weird stuff but I can't wait until everybody plays it and reports back.

 

[interlog]

We shall agree to disagree on this but I can see both sides.
To me, you spin and it takes £50 then your stake is £50, casinos also see it as a £50 stake (or whatever you buy at)
However, it does say Stake £1 (or whatever) in game and I did wonder how a casino would deal with a complaint if they confiscated winnings under the max stake rule, if you sent over a screenshot of the game in question clearly stating Stake £1.

I'm sure some reps are reading this, perhaps they could clarify what their position would be?

I can see this being bonus banned anyway because of the coin drops as that can be exploited. So max stake is then irrelevant when wagering.

 

[dunover]

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I can see this being bonus banned anyway because of the coin drops as that can be exploited. So max stake is then irrelevant when wagering.

It will be, same as White Rabbit usually is.

 

[colinsunderland]

Where is White Rabbit bonus banned at? I've looked at Casumo and LeoVegas and can't see it on either of their lists?

 

[Gaz237]

It's not necessarily half every time but thinking logically if you successfully gambled to 12 every other 8-spin trigger, thus halving your feature frequency then over time you would double the average outcome of each feature. There's nothing 'fishy' and in fact it's quite logical as the BTG features are simply random spins as you would see in the base game, so if you have only 8 then the likelihood of advancing the multiplier up enough to get bigger hits is far less than it is with 12. As we know, it's the final spins that usually pay best as the multiplier is at, or near its peak. So those 4 (50%) extra spins will quite naturally be more beneficial than just a 50% increase in bonus round returns over time - 100% I'd confidently say due to the exponential nature of the free games set-up.

P.S. Gaz - I don't know why BTG would be 'cringing' at my results given that in my relatively tiny sampling I achieved over 100% RTP?

Fair enough, you did end up ahead. But took a fair loss before you did. Your videos have painted a true light to the slot, and not a pretty view. So fair play to you( even though I know you think it's great)

The Gamble sucked (backed up by Nicola's recent post 28% win rate)

I feel your videos just about showed, 8 spins will be generally crap (even BGT has said in the rules, gambling the spins is the optimum option, which is ok if you have a pretty big budget).

Can easily see people depositing £50 and buying five £10 features and gambling the spins and going broke before playing a feature.

 

[dunover]

Where is White Rabbit bonus banned at? I've looked at Casumo and LeoVegas and can't see it on either of their lists?

Loads. Midaur, Calzone and Metal Casino off the top of my head.

 

[colinsunderland]

Loads. Midaur, Calzone and Metal Casino off the top of my head.

Thanks, don't play at any of those so probably why I didn't see it, how freaky is this though, just logged into fruitycasa to see if they have it bonus banned and got this

 

[interlog]

Where is White Rabbit bonus banned at? I've looked at Casumo and LeoVegas and can't see it on either of their lists?

Winning Room and Redbet have it banned too.

 

[Jd666]

Thanks, don't play at any of those so probably why I didn't see it, how freaky is this though, just logged into fruitycasa to see if they have it bonus banned and got this

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Thats strange as bonus money doesnt usually show up when you open White Rabbit on Caddell sites, just your real balance

 

[bluebirdy]

You aren't comparing like for like my friend!

1. When you buy the feature you are almost guaranteed to get x-amount of the cost back (unless you get one of those extremely rare zero-paying bonuses!)
In the base game a simple £1 spin will yield zero 2/3 of the time.

2. When you buy the feature you are buying at least 8 spins, not just 1 like you'd get in the base game.

3. To cement this fact you'll see, as with White Rabbit, the RTP is higher if you play feature purchase only.

Now you may understand where Interlog is coming from. It's far too simplistic to state categorically "£200 back from a feature buy of £50 is 4x stake" even though the basic calculation is correct - it's too far out of context to view it so.

£50 comes out of your account £200 goes back in its 4 x if the feature came in naturally its 200 x i can't see how that is out of context. as soon as you buy a feature you start at a - Amount so £50 you start at -£50

going by your logic if i buy a feature at £50 and win £3 how do you work that out?.
i say im down £47 lost simple

 

[torors]

Extra Chilli lived on OGS' staging server for a while, but has been removed now.

It seems however that you can just replace the token with any valid string and it will still work. Just edit the token query string parameter to anything of your choosing to get your own demo session.

https://dga1sy052ek6h.cloudfront.net/html5/wrapper3.html?token=Free%3Ae6dh134541hpj5psn93og4q35cn%40405&language=en_us&currency=EUR&type=nextgen&gamename=extrachilli&secure=true&mode=demo&lobbyurl=&depositurl=&nyxroot=nogs-gdm-stage.nyxmalta.com/nextgen/&

 

[interlog]

£50 comes out of your account £200 goes back in its 4 x if the feature came in naturally its 200 x i can't see how that is out of context. as soon as you buy a feature you start at a - Amount so £50 you start at -£50

going by your logic if i buy a feature at £50 and win £3 how do you work that out?.
i say im down £47 lost simple

So you're saying that if BTG were to hold a competition here on CM with the winner that posts the biggest multiplier win gets first prize, those that buy the feature may as well not bother entering.

Person 1, that naturally spins the feature in post a screen shot of a £2,000 win on a £1 spin = 2,000x

Person 2 that bought the feature had a monster win of £20,000 on a £50 feature buy = 400x

You declare person 1 to be the winner?

When somebody posts a winning screen shot in the winning screen shot section over 1,000x you are going to interrogate the poster whether they did or didn't buy the feature?

 

[interlog]

Thanks to the newly posted link, I have been playing the slot for about an hour or so. Perhaps I have been unlucky, but the balance was dropping pretty fast on £2 spins. Much faster than Bonanza.

Here is a question that somebody may be able to answer. In terms of maths, because of the coin drops it surely has to be taken from somewhere. In other words, the RTP during the base game has to be lower than Bonanza surely as eventually you are going to get a "free" feature?