New Slot Announcement Extra Chilli, BTG

[trancemonkey]

BTG less so, perhaps.

There is always someone willing to push the moral boundaries... it's true in all walks of life. And until a regulator says you can't so it, if it works more will follow.

 

[bluebirdy]

With all due respect I'm bored of this argument... I've already said that I agree we have a responsibility. Never said we didn't.

I said we have to balance that with giving responsible people a game they want to play. That's a fine line we have to tread.

And to be fair I could see the UKGC possibly banning the buy a feature if it was shown to cause additional harm to players.

I notice how you didnt comment on the car point I made... Because you can't make any point relevant to your argument.

And we are very heavily regulated... arguably far more than alcohol is.

O i missed one out so sry

responsibility for your own actions.

getting in car and killing a family. only one answer to that. that guys a fucking moron and should be locked up


did you really think any one would say
o no wait a min i should blame the car company

why use such a retarded question to prove a point. can you explain the connection to addiction and being a fucking moron in a car.

 

[bluebirdy]

No moral dilemmas? What rubbish you speak... we have a very strict responsible gaming policy. We have to do training in it and we have an entire department dedicated to it.

Really LOL


Should i have put joke at the end thought you might have seen that one more clearly

from now on i will put joke at the end for you to clearly understand

made most post better for you

 

[Gaz237]

So he works for a company that has no moral dilemmas then?. a s he said all providers work for the good of the players

He works for a company who supply games to casinos, to make his company a profit.

Every single game has been passed by the UKGC to be at a standard they set down for UK Players.

Morals do not come into it.

Your Beef should be with the UKGC.

Personally I agree this game will send plenty into tilt mode. Even Trance has said he would not design a game like this.

But, I also agree players need to be responsible for themselves.

I have reduced my deposit limits on Vegas(and will do the same on VS) because of this game, as I play White Rabbit, just because of the buy now feature, even though I know it's shite.

So I know full well I would be trying to gamble to 24 on Hot Chilli everytime and have taken steps so that I am protected from myself (and I'm not even close to being a big/problem gambler)

 

[bluebirdy]

Can't you see that was a joke or wasn't it put more straight forward for you i think i should have put at the end

just did does that look better

 

[goatwack]

I think slots were just fine without any sort of gamble feature....

Don't need it, don't want it. Away with you!

 

[Jono777]

More and more like land based B3's - Lots of the Barcrest and SG slots have gamble options on these, backs up the glorified AWP accusation if nothing more

Could not agree more with the degree of self responsibility, no one forces you to deposit, load the game and click spin. Reason I state this, (gonna blow my own trumpet ere) I've been slotting in general since 1990.

Always paid my bills, never sold stuff or "gone without" just to have a punt, stuck to small bets and deposits, even if I have 10K sitting in the bank, my point is it can be done and no need for constant excuses and scapegoats (no pun goaty)

RG (more so for UK) has to be there fair enough, some lack self control and these tools are needed Just lately it has become way OTT and borderline crazy!!! - to the point innocent problem free gamblers are now suffering through no fault of their own (SOW springs to mind for once example)

Bottom line is the same as with all addictions, admitting that the problem is there, no amount of SE or deposit limits or whether you can buy or gamble features is gonna fix that!

 

[shadow123]

Major fault on this game, playing for fun at Leo
I bought a feature, think it was 16 spins, spun down to about 5 , got a sequence of about 4 wins then 9,s dropped in with
at least one 6 of a kind.The win was not registered and the accummulated win total for the spin was clocked up
The game then went on to the next spin with 9s still showing which should never happen.
While I am absolutely positive about what I saw, the only thing I am not sure about is whether it gave 3 free symbols. It
was either on that spin or the next.
I would advise BGT to look at this fault, it may occur in the real play version too, and dont dismiss me like
they did with White Rabblt.

 

[shadow123]

Trying to remember the exact sequence, I think the bottom row may have shown, pot,9,pot,pot, I was looking for the 9 to show there as it would
complete quite a few 9s wins.I think it clocked up the 4 free spins as a priority and ignored the 9s.

 

[nikantw]

'not a huge win'
i couldnt imagine that stake in real

As a xbet win, for 24 spins. I am taking the opportunity and test the potential of the feature, not with "100 bonuses" but with 100,000.

 

[bluebirdy]

(gonna blow my own trumpet ere) I've been slotting in general since 1990.

I beat you by 2 years, Plus if you take in to account my Dad worked for a company as a Fruit machine Service Engineer for 5 years, i would say longer.
i have always been around fruit machine i had a fruit machine in my house nearly all the time till about 5 years ago.

Always paid my bills, never sold stuff or "gone without" just to have a punt, stuck to small bets and deposits, even if I have 10K sitting in the bank, my point is it can be done and no need for constant excuses and scapegoats (no pun goaty)

And i will same nearly the same on that but with more in my account. And yes it can be Done But that don't mean some people are making excuses. do you Not understand addiction?.

RG (more so for UK) has to be there fair enough, some lack self control and these tools are needed Just lately it has become way OTT and borderline crazy!!! - to the point innocent problem free gamblers are now suffering through no fault of their own (SOW springs to mind for once example)

I agree innocent problem free gamblers are now suffering through no fault of their own and that is due to the UKGC not fully explaining the rules and doing what the do best a half assed job. but that don't mean they need to stop they need to just pull there finger out there arses and do whats right. But that still don't mean other Players/company's in the gambling community should not be doing there part.

Bottom line is the same as with all addictions, admitting that the problem is there, no amount of SE or deposit limits or whether you can buy or gamble features is gonna fix that!

I agree SE wont stop the problem as they will just open up an account some where else and that might be a rogue casino, which does not help. The UKGC at the moment have not got a clue what there doing and slot providers know this and are pushing things out they know is wrong.

So you cant see removing certain temptations as a good thing?.

 

[Jono777]

Good post^^ glad you agree in the main with my points. With your additional points, I think we've nailed it pretty much.

FTR yes, You would not believe how deep and well I understand addiction but you're going to have to trust me on this one as I'll never fully get into it on here

 

[goatwack]

The UKGC are slow to react and focus on the wrong things. Companies have found outwitting them is rather easy and hence will always stay one step ahead. All the while keeping 'within the law'

 

[trancemonkey]

I beat you by 2 years, Plus if you take in to account my Dad worked for a company as a Fruit machine Service Engineer for 5 years, i would say longer.
i have always been around fruit machine i had a fruit machine in my house nearly all the time till about 5 years ago.



And i will same nearly the same on that but with more in my account. And yes it can be Done But that don't mean some people are making excuses. do you Not understand addiction?.




I agree innocent problem free gamblers are now suffering through no fault of their own and that is due to the UKGC not fully explaining the rules and doing what the do best a half assed job. but that don't mean they need to stop they need to just pull there finger out there arses and do whats right. But that don't mean other Players/company's in the gambling community should not be doing there part.



I agree SE wont stop the problem as they will just open up an account some where else and that might be a rogue casino, which does not help. The UKGC at the moment have not got a clue what there doing and slot providers know this and are pushing things out they know is wrong.

So you cant see removing certain temptations as a good thing?.

Well we seem to have gone around in circles in an attempt to agree with each other....

 

[goatwack]

Well we seem to have gone around in circles in an attempt to agree with each other....

That's every thread

 

[trancemonkey]

That's every thread

Except the Trump thread perhaps

 

[goatwack]

Except the Trump thread perhaps

I found everyone got on really well on there and all sang from the same songsheet

 

[nikantw]

or get rid of the gamble and buy feature. Stop you the slot providers from bringing stuff out on slots that can wipe you balance in 10 secs with out
any gameplay.

Noy true. You can't say that you get more entertainment from a simple 10 spin in any slot (lasts 1 sec on average) than you get with a 10 feature buy (lasts 200 sec on average).
The feature itself is very useful and helps people, simply because of the entertainment value.

Only argument that can be made is for the cost, how high it should be allowed to be. With single spin MG games up to over 10,000 per spin, or 1000s other games at 100 or more max bet for a single spin ....

 

[goatwack]

I think the feature buy should discount high rollers, and by that I don't mean give them money off (!) but rather as mentioned be 'capped' at a certain amount.

I think 100 ought to be the limit, as the feature itself is needless. If high rollers wanna spunk their money away they can do so regardless, just bet higher.

As it stands, it just encourages those who wouldn't normally buy a bonus to do so.....

 

[Jono777]

The Feature buy would be fair IF we were guaranteed a +4 (or the first gamble was 100% player favour)

As I said in a post a few pages back which a handful agreed with, the 8 FS is not really a feature, it would be easier to have a button marked "Here, take 40x from my balance please" (Point based on no reduction coins before anyone says )

 

[goatwack]

The Feature buy would be fair IF we were guaranteed a +4 (or the first gamble was 100% player favour)

As I said in a post a few pages back which a handful agreed with, the 8 FS is not really a feature, it would be easier to have a button marked "Here, take 40x from my balance please" (Point based on no reduction coins before anyone says )

Ha yeah, how long before we see that little box saying 'rob me blind at your behest'.

Don't give them any ideas Jon

 

[bluebirdy]

You can't say that you get more entertainment from a simple 10 spin in any slot (lasts 1 sec on average) than you get with a 10 feature buy (lasts 200 sec on average)

a simple 10 spin? can you explain a little more?.

sry im a bit tired, been up since 2 am playing call of duty

 

[nikantw]

a simple 10 spin? can you explain a little more?.

sry im a bit tired, been up since 2 am playing call of duty

Its ok, I forgot the "€". I mean a €10 single spin in any slot.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Must be some horrendous maths involved if the feature spin combinations are not controlled.
Seems a bit fishy to me that 8 spins are worth 50x and 12 spins worth 100x (minus the vtp 3 odd percent)
Sounds too exact bearing in mind that every spin between 9 and 12 has a different and increasing potential value.
Would not know where to start with the calculations. but the 12 spin feature is identical to bonanza so that should be correct.
Funny how the 8 is exactly half.Maybe its me.

If i had designed it, I would use a different reel set for each multiplier spin, that way you can work out expected win on each spin while still being random and "controlled" as you put it.

Also it would in theory be exponentially higher per each extra spin, complex math model for sure.

 

[Chipkin9]

I think you're misunderstanding things here....

The RTP of all games released to players under MGA and UKGC has to be made available to the players. And they are. Microgaming is the hardest to find but they exist on the casino.

And of course we games providers want the highest RTP possible.... we resist moves to lower RTP. It is normally never a good thing to do... but a lot of games providers do multiple RTP variants. This isn't news....

I'm not misunderstanding anything, I understand fully everything you are saying. Uninformed maybe a better word?

"but a lot of games providers do multiple RTP variants. This isn't news...."

I also am aware of this, however what I wasn't aware of is that casino's could actually request that a provider redo the maths set of thier games and set it to a lower RTP (Definitely news to me)...you make it sound really simple and something that can be done within a relatively short time period.

Yet when the foil hatters mention about providers either "Tampering" with the RTP or changing games, common replies would be "It would take years to redo this, it wouldn't be worth the cost" etc etc...

I mean which is it?

Like I say, just curious.

Also, how do you view the RTP of a NotEnt slot? I have no idea other than some Casino's offering a page which displays the RTP of them in a list, however most casino's don't have this NotEnt RTP page and NotEnt don't offer it in the game itself.

That or I'm blind

 

[Dinahnana]

My first impression of Extra Chili is the game is really bad. Most of the bonuses are sub par. I even got 1 zero bonus round. 8 spins isn't enough and I don't feel comfortable gambling on the bonus as the 1 time I did it I lost. Very little entertainment. Bonanza is a much better game. To me Extra Chili is a watered down iteration of Bonanza. Won't be giving it much play. Pity really as I love Bonanza and was looking forward to Extra Chili and bummed that it fell way short of my expectations.

 

[robby811]

My first impression of Extra Chili is the game is really bad. Most of the bonuses are sub par. I even got 1 zero bonus round. 8 spins isn't enough and I don't feel comfortable gambling on the bonus as the 1 time I did it I lost. Very little entertainment. Bonanza is a much better game. To me Extra Chili is a watered down iteration of Bonanza. Won't be giving it much play. Pity really as I love Bonanza and was looking forward to Extra Chili and bummed that it fell way short of my expectations.

I cant it better say with my words. Agreed +1

 

[trancemonkey]

I'm not misunderstanding anything, I understand fully everything you are saying. Uninformed maybe a better word?

"but a lot of games providers do multiple RTP variants. This isn't news...."

I also am aware of this, however what I wasn't aware of is that casino's could actually request that a provider redo the maths set of thier games and set it to a lower RTP (Definitely news to me)...you make it sound really simple and something that can be done within a relatively short time period.

Yet when the foil hatters mention about providers either "Tampering" with the RTP or changing games, common replies would be "It would take years to redo this, it wouldn't be worth the cost" etc etc...

I mean which is it?

Like I say, just curious.

Also, how do you view the RTP of a NotEnt slot? I have no idea other than some Casino's offering a page which displays the RTP of them in a list, however most casino's don't have this NotEnt RTP page and NotEnt don't offer it in the game itself.

That or I'm blind

On NetEnt games I believe you press the i button and scroll all the way to the bottom... @dunover knows, it's in all his videos.

And changing the RTP is simple in that once you have the maths for 96%, going down to 94% or 92% or whatever isn't that hard. However it requires a full retest of the game through a test lab, and this has a cost associated with it.

Remember, casinos are our customers. If they ask for a different RTP setting and it makes business sense for us to do so, then we would consider it. We also balance this against the effect on the game and we tend to try and resist lowering the RTP of games where possible.

I've also never said it take a years to do... months certainly. And yes of course there is a cost. Remember this - as games producers we want the best experience from our game... And that means running it at the highest RTP a casino will accept. Ideally 96% ish.

Also a lot of tin foil hat peeps believe the RTP can be changed on a whim... when they are winning / losing (although mainly when winning) and this is pure rubbish. Yes there are different RTP variants available and no casinos don't use them to somehow compensate the game when you're winning....

 

[Balthazar]

The Feature buy would be fair IF we were guaranteed a +4 (or the first gamble was 100% player favour)

A 4 free spins feature is almost worthless on a bonus that relies on multiple wins like that. The feature IS fair, it's just not a good idea for the longevity of the slot.

Unlike a lot of people here I don't think it's evil or anything, I just think it takes out the "fun" of hitting a rare feature and eventually people will just stop playing it, like they did with White Rabbit. Who plays White Rabbit's base game anymore? No one.

But then again people, if you want to play Extra Chili without the buying bonus feature or the bonus gambling feature you can always play Bonanza?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

My first impression of Extra Chili is the game is really bad. Most of the bonuses are sub par. I even got 1 zero bonus round. 8 spins isn't enough and I don't feel comfortable gambling on the bonus as the 1 time I did it I lost. Very little entertainment. Bonanza is a much better game. To me Extra Chili is a watered down iteration of Bonanza. Won't be giving it much play. Pity really as I love Bonanza and was looking forward to Extra Chili and bummed that it fell way short of my expectations.

As per previous posts (mine and others).

If you never gamble the bonus - You are playing a low variance version of Bonanza with nerfed bonus rounds which will, on average, return less than Bonanza and you'll have a lot more very low paying bonus rounds. In this form it is a dreadful slot to play, the increased frequency of the bonus rounds (1 in 230 spins versus 1 in 460 spins) is supposed to compensate for this, but most of the time 8 spins just won't be enough to get any sort of multiplier going on.

If you gamble the bonus to 12 spins - You're basically playing Bonanza's bonus round except with the risk of losing the gamble and your bonus round.

If you gamble to 16/20/24 spins - You are playing an increasingly high variance version of Bonanza with a progressively greater risk of losing the gamble and your bonus round.

I would not stake my own real money playing Extra Chilli, in its default state (8 free spins) it's largely pointless, so you are effectively forced to gamble the features to even get to an equivalence of Bonanza (in which case, just play Bonanza), and once you've won a gamble there's a clear incentive to gamble further (reflected in the RTP) at the risk of losing everything.

It's predatory slot design and players need to vote with their wallets. If it stops making money, they'll stop doing it.

 

[sapit222]

Im following this thread and have read so much what every1 thinks of this game.
Decided to try the game a bit more yesterday.

Got 2 natural bonuses and bought 1. Gambled all of them this time.
Got 4 extra spins on the first and won x70, so was ok.
Next 1 i gambled but lost..
The third i bought for 40Euro and won x6 (= 6Euro)..

This game is made for gambling addicts i think, to make them feel the extra "kick/rush" and make them lose everything they have.

I felt a little bit of excitement when the wheel was spinning and i got 4 extra free spins (and still some when deciding if i wanted to gamble the bonus again, or not), but was not so fun to just lose the bonus when you got the wrong color on the wheel.

Its an evil slot creation that might ruin a lot of peoples life.. I hope they ban it!

Bonanza i actually think is a good game where you just play and see what comes, you dont buy features and you dont gamble bonuses.

 

[dunover]

I'm not misunderstanding anything, I understand fully everything you are saying. Uninformed maybe a better word?

"but a lot of games providers do multiple RTP variants. This isn't news...."

I also am aware of this, however what I wasn't aware of is that casino's could actually request that a provider redo the maths set of thier games and set it to a lower RTP (Definitely news to me)...you make it sound really simple and something that can be done within a relatively short time period.

Yet when the foil hatters mention about providers either "Tampering" with the RTP or changing games, common replies would be "It would take years to redo this, it wouldn't be worth the cost" etc etc...

I mean which is it?

Like I say, just curious.

Also, how do you view the RTP of a NotEnt slot? I have no idea other than some Casino's offering a page which displays the RTP of them in a list, however most casino's don't have this NotEnt RTP page and NotEnt don't offer it in the game itself.

That or I'm blind

You're blind.
All Notents have the RTP in the rules, accessed by clicking the ? in the bottom left where the autoplay settings are.

 

[greylady]

Wow saw at the weekend how brutal this slot can be, demolished the balance without looking back.

I almost spat my coffee out when I was asked if I could bring him some luck

18 spins later and I got him most of his balance back - it's more fun playing with someone else's money and making big bets

 

[trancemonkey]

I would not stake my own real money playing Extra Chilli, in its default state (8 free spins) it's largely pointless, so you are effectively forced to gamble the features to even get to an equivalence of Bonanza (in which case, just play Bonanza), and once you've won a gamble there's a clear incentive to gamble further (reflected in the RTP) at the risk of losing everything.

It's predatory slot design and players need to vote with their wallets. If it stops making money, they'll stop doing it.

And this is one of the main reasons i would rather play Bonanza...
But there WILL be people happy to buy the feature. And the cost comes down a lot quicker on this than White Rabbit by the look of it...
I see LeoVegas were touting it as breaking all previous KPI's - but i think this is probably a lot of people trying it, and trying the buy-a-feature.
It will be interesting to see if it stays up there....

 

[lockinlove]

I found everyone got on really well on there and all sang from the same songsheet

RIP Trump thread. The single most poisonous thread on the internet

 

[shadow123]

After free playing this game a lot more I have come to the following conclusion

EXTRA CHILLI IS FUCKING EVIL

Seriously I cannot see anyway making a profit other than risking a big buy, gambling it and
if pays run for the hills.
What the game does do is expose how bad the feature really is,buying it as one 50x lump shows how difficult
it is to make a profit and how low most of the returns are.Compare it to something like BOD where many features
pay 100x + and they are not that hard to trigger, the returns on chilli are mega crap.
I think this game will actually harm Bonanza as players will try this ,realize how bad the feature really is and
then not want to go back to playing Bonanza with its possible hours of play to get the same crap feature.

I have never such bad vibes on a new game playing for free,dont think it will be getting much real play from me.

 

[trancemonkey]

RIP Trump thread. The single most poisonous thread on the internet

Only because you love Trump so much and you.... oh hang on, this isn't the Trump thread
Quick, change the subject!

 

[Steviedoo]

RIP Trump thread. The single most poisonous thread on the internet

Well I think the passive aggressive slotplayer was the last straw for Brian...but let’s not hijack this thread...

 

[goatwack]

Kind of apt referencing the Trump thread in here. Watching Harry & Lockinlove get heated up was like some red hot chilli fiesta :sniper:

 

[Balthazar]

Seriously I cannot see anyway making a profit other than risking a big buy, gambling it and
if pays run for the hills.

The only sane way to play this slot is to play the base game (don't buy the feature), gamble the feature until you get 16 spins or more and act like you play a very high variance version of Bonanza. You'll get virtually the same base game return as Bonanza, bonuses will be harder to come (because they'll all have 16 spins or more) but they'll also pay more (for the same reason).

There's a way to play this slot, but it requires some discipline and you must know what you are getting into.

 

[greylady]

Kind of apt referencing the Trump thread in here. Watching Harry & Lockinlove get heated up was like some red hot chilli fiesta :sniper:

Harry heated up!!!! I didn't think that was possible

 

[ReggieMac]

After a torrid few days on Bonanza I decided to try my luck on this, started with £300 balance @ £1 spins. Pretty much waste of time! I had 4 features drop in, none better than 20x and after having a few coins drop in and the feature buy down to £39.50 I bought it out my remaining balance. This one managed to deliver 273x and that combined with my remaining balance let me finish with a balance of £298.30. So after a loss of £1.70 I have run away, never to return!

 

[snorky510238]

Bearing in mind extra chilli is in its infancy just imagine how bad it's going to be when it tightens up like bonanza did.

 

[shadow123]

Been moaning a lot about this slot(put it down to age related grumpiness) but in the interests of fairness
I would like report a good result while free playing., bought a feature for £10,
reels span and gave 16 spins, during the feature got +4 retrigger.
Total feature return was £530. It probably will never happen again but shows the game can drop big time.
My previous best results playing BTG for real are 600x for £1 stake on Bonanza and £400 for £20 feature buy on White rabbit.
Still dont trust the game (back to moaning mode)

 

[Jono777]

Excluding zero payers, has to be a record! - Get In !!

 

[goatwack]

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Excluding zero payers, has to be a record! - Get In !!

Nice, Jon

Nice

 

[Chipkin9]

You're blind.
All Notents have the RTP in the rules, accessed by clicking the ? in the bottom left where the autoplay settings are.

Haha yea definitely blind...cheers.

 

[Chipkin9]

On NetEnt games I believe you press the i button and scroll all the way to the bottom... @dunover knows, it's in all his videos.

And changing the RTP is simple in that once you have the maths for 96%, going down to 94% or 92% or whatever isn't that hard. However it requires a full retest of the game through a test lab, and this has a cost associated with it.

Remember, casinos are our customers. If they ask for a different RTP setting and it makes business sense for us to do so, then we would consider it. We also balance this against the effect on the game and we tend to try and resist lowering the RTP of games where possible.

I've also never said it take a years to do... months certainly. And yes of course there is a cost. Remember this - as games producers we want the best experience from our game... And that means running it at the highest RTP a casino will accept. Ideally 96% ish.

Also a lot of tin foil hat peeps believe the RTP can be changed on a whim... when they are winning / losing (although mainly when winning) and this is pure rubbish. Yes there are different RTP variants available and no casinos don't use them to somehow compensate the game when you're winning....

Cheers.

Thanks for fully explaining TM. I still don't agree that casino's should have a right to request this RTP reduction if they should so feel like it; but it is what it is I suppose

 

[nutnut]

had decent day or two slot wise. so wacked 10 in to buy a feature. didn't know with buy feature you can get +4 so for once didn't have to gamble to get 12.....

paid £15. but i honestly struggle to see a reason to play this? im 7 from 7 losing on gamble features.

 

[aceking123]

well done John i new it was there somewhere