Dream Run at acredited casino Intertops

[maxd]

WTF , this shit is getting weird, time to put the crack pipe down I think

Believe me when I say that I've seen enough of HIGHIQ's pseudo-English to recognize it when I see it. If homerbert was not HIGHIQ then he was allowing HIGHIQ to post through his account. That too is a violation of our Terms. And show some respect SVP.

 

[mimi26]

Believe me when I say that I've seen enough of HIGHIQ's pseudo-English to recognize it when I see it. If homerbert was not HIGHIQ then he was allowing HIGHIQ to post through his account. That too is a violation of our Terms. And show some respect SVP.

Sorry but I was not disputing the fact that they were the same person, , if you say they are then they are and I was referring to my 'crack pipe', you know as a joke, so sorry if you were offended

 

[maxd]

I've tried to look at posts of these two gentlemen (homerbert and HIGHIQ) and I can't see that many similarities.

Look at the most recent posts. That's why I say homerbert may have made the mistake of letting HIGHIQ use his account. He's free to contact us to clear this up. SlotMonster says he knows the guy and I believe him. Fair enough, homerbert is homerbert and not HIGHIQ. But why was he letting HIGHIQ post through his account? Not cool.

 

[cpdnd31]

I understand that there is way more to this story, and the fact the player ran to other rtg casinos tells me he knew what was going on. That being said here is my question.

Those of you that know from 3 dice will understand why I ask this. Those that know me can say I am a helpful and honest person, I don't take advantage of people and I on many occasions have stopped my play to assist people there. So let's change this a little. If I was playing that game and I didn't stop to take the time and report all the wacked out payouts and miss pays, Lets say I made my money and cashed out. This after playing the game AFTER they told me it was fixed and nothing was wrong.

Would I have been then labeled a fraud and banned from casinos?

I mean I am pissed that this situation happened to begin with but I need to examine the what ifs here.

What if when they refunded me and I played it and said screw you I told ya, you said it was fixed I'm gonna keep playing and winning and cash out? Then who side would everyone be on?

I don't mean to pour fuel on the fire but this could have really damaged someones rep and blacklisted someone.
Granted like I stated above the player went to other RTG casinos and grabbed all he could get but the what if still bothers me.

This is why 3 Dice is where most of my casino money goes. If I say something there they listen, they help and their customer service is the best out their for us USA players.

What has happened is the perfect example of why USA players no longer trust where they can play. Too many chances to correct a wrong, too many rules and way to may what ifs.

Enzo keep doing what your doing and if you need help training the other casinos with how your customer service is successful let me know I'll be glad to help.

 

[maxd]

My issue with HIGHIQ is not that he got burned by mistakenly taking advantage of A game at A casino, it's that he looks for these game issues and them makes a career out of exploiting them. THEN he comes to us, fluffs up his story so it sounds like he's the victim of terrible misunderstandings, and uses us to fight his casino battles for him. This is the second time I've been through this with him. Enough is enough!

 

[cpdnd31]

Max I get it I really do. However that being said I know the issue I had trying to scream from the mountain tops about this games glitches and it just pisses me off. It pisses me off that he did it and it pisses me off that they put themselves in the situation. But like I said that is just me I guess. I tried like hell to no avail and someone who looks for advantages took it.

My final note STILL GLAD I'M NOT YOU!! unless your drinking then maybe I would have one with ya pass the sushi please.

 

[bigjohn]

My issue with HIGHIQ is not that he got burned by mistakenly taking advantage of A game at A casino, it's that he looks for these game issues and them makes a career out of exploiting them. THEN he comes to us, fluffs up his story so it sounds like he's the victim of terrible misunderstandings, and uses us to fight his casino battles for him. This is the second time I've been through this with him. Enough is enough!

Thank you for that part of the explanation. Makes a lot more sense now.

 

[dunover]

Fair enough. No-one comes out of this smelling of roses.
So he spots a flaw in a game, and exploits it. Is it much different to 'forcing' the big streaks from AWP's like Vinyl does/did?
Casinos were informed by Cpcnd and didn't investigate thoroughly. Who the hell checks these games before release? Isn't it bloody obvious on games like TDK and TR2 etc. that the first thing the savvy player will do is play the feature up than raise their stake?? Therefore the game should compensate for that. RTG look stupid now as do the sites which knew and kept the game live.

As a person like Chopley and VWM and others on here that used to go around arcades and pubs at one time exploiting 'faults' in programs I do have some sympathy with HIGHIQ and his alter-ego. I just didn't expect there to be this sort of nonsense on online slots.

If we're honest, and we all knew about this thinking we were the only one with the knowledge, how many of us would have tried the same, or at least for lower amounts to fund play on other games??

mmm...

 

[X-Raided]

IMO, with all due respect, I think that both parties are at fault here.


RTG and their partners for not actually listening to players who were honest and tried to
explain on numerous occasions that Orc Vs. Elf is faulty. Furthermore, only until a game is
fully tested and 100% seal tight of any possible exploitations should it be released. I would take
1 fully operational and rigorously tested slot every few months rather than 5 questionable running slots
every few months. Shame on RTG/Partners who didn't immediately take action when alerted from honest players.

HIGHIQ/Homberto. Come on man, 85% of your winnings came from this exploitation and only a speckle of credit
as to where the majority of your money came from? Things like this is why people on the forum aren't always
sold on the fact that the player is the victim. P.A.B. on this subject? That's an insult. It's like you stole money
from the town village then tried to higher lawyers to justify your actions. Pathetic.

 

[theapple]

My issue with HIGHIQ is not that he got burned by mistakenly taking advantage of A game at A casino, it's that he looks for these game issues and them makes a career out of exploiting them. THEN he comes to us, fluffs up his story so it sounds like he's the victim of terrible misunderstandings, and uses us to fight his casino battles for him. This is the second time I've been through this with him. Enough is enough!

now that makes things look a lot worse, and im totally on casinos side on this one. and yet, i wish this tactic would backslash once. NOT saying this casino was doing such a thing, not even sure if its just something like Dark knight slot (the free spins thingy) or its something more serious but just on this forum ive seen numerous reports of people saying that new RTG slot is acting odd.

so yes, it does piss me off how they are able to get out with stuff like this (casinos). They knew there was a 'malfunction', yet they let people play on it. Sure, if it was only people like highiq abusing those im totally ok with casino not paying out.

but what irks me is how some random unsuspected person might (and probably has, many times too) not get paid because of that malfunction.

another thing is, if we win and theres malfunction, they keep our winnings. But if we lose (OR in case of Dark knight slot if we somehow trigger free spins on lower bet than average spin, instead of higher bet) in that case, malfunction or not, they dont really give a %((" about it and im yet to hear about someone getting his money back (once he lost it) there of xx malfunction.

tldr: i dont quite like it how malfunction voids only your wins, but when it comes to losses, losses are just fine and no malfunction on this world would give you money back. on top of casinos knowingly keeping games that are not working as intended, just hoping for people to play that game, thats my 2nd biggest problem with stuff like this.

 

[dunover]

So are the casinos going to refund all player losses on this 'faulty' game to date??

 

[cpdnd31]

Ok and the shit storm is now beggining

 

[Nifty29]

Fair enough. No-one comes out of this smelling of roses.
So he spots a flaw in a game, and exploits it. Is it much different to 'forcing' the big streaks from AWP's like Vinyl does/did?
Casinos were informed by Cpcnd and didn't investigate thoroughly. Who the hell checks these games before release? Isn't it bloody obvious on games like TDK and TR2 etc. that the first thing the savvy player will do is play the feature up than raise their stake?? Therefore the game should compensate for that. RTG look stupid now as do the sites which knew and kept the game live.

As a person like Chopley and VWM and others on here that used to go around arcades and pubs at one time exploiting 'faults' in programs I do have some sympathy with HIGHIQ and his alter-ego. I just didn't expect there to be this sort of nonsense on online slots.

If we're honest, and we all knew about this thinking we were the only one with the knowledge, how many of us would have tried the same, or at least for lower amounts to fund play on other games??

mmm...

The AWPs are completely different, as they are deliberately programmed to pay these megastreaks to reach their proper TRTP.

What VWM does is also completely different from the land fruities of old. These machines had "tells" the minute you played the first spin, or you watched until someone else fed it nice and fat and swooped in for the kill knowing it was due to pop.....that kind of thing. With online AWPs, neither of those things can be done in any meaningful way.

There is no way to tell how much has been put into the AWP by other players, nor even if it matters....AND there's no way to know approximately how much has to go in all told to produce a megastreak. Similarly, there's no way to tell just by having one or two spins if it's going to pay.

The only method that "works" to a degree is the force method, which VWM uses. He gets onto an AWP, and feeds and feeds it until it throws a jackpot, and hopes he hasn't invested more than what it pays out (and by his own admission this isn't unusual). He claims to be able to predict a megastreak, but has failed to produce one on demand and/or prediction.....hence, there's no "advantage play" to use to milk these AWPs in such a way that they pay MORE than their TRTP on a consistent basis....and if one can't make a game do that, then one can't win in the long term.

In other words, the only real "method" is "spin til you win", which can pretty much be done on ANY slot, and maybe even more profitably on a higher TRTP random slot (given that AWPs sit around 95%)

Sorry for the short detour, but just wanted to point out the difference between AWP "methods" and what LOWIQ did in deliberately milking a software bug that caused a game to pay far more than it should.

 

[maxd]

Guys, from my POV the casinos have some shit on their faces here too, no doubt. However, I don't police casinos. What I do is handle complaints, usually player complaints, and HIGHIQ has abused the crap out of that service in an attempt to benefit himself. That is what put him on the shit list and I have no doubts that that is where he belongs.

As to the casinos I'm just a bystander. Seems to me they've cocked this up pretty thoroughly BUT that doesn't change the fact that exploiting a software error is a Terms violation with known consequences. Do they deserve to have their ass kicked around the block for letting this drag on, more or less inviting someone like HIGHIQ to do what he did. Yeah, probably. Kick away!

As to homerbert I may regret my actions there. I know that those recent posts of his are almost cut-and-paste from the emails I have been getting from HIGHIQ, hence the ban. But who knows, maybe they're just buddies looking over each other's shoulders. I'm sure homerbert's case will get a fair reading when Bryan looks this over, and his account will be updated accordingly.

 

[Blathaon]

I agree with Max when it comes to banning HIGHIQ, he clearly abused the PAB service and he tried to deceive the rest of us.

But when it comes to RTG and their broken game, then i feel like RTG should be held accountable, this game clearly has not gone through proper testing.
If the "exploit" here is simply min betting until the second to last feature and then raising ones bet to get a greater return from the last feature, then RTG has made one of the most elementary mistakes when it comes to slot design.

And if this is the case then the casinos should be pissed off at RTG rather than some players taking advantage of the sloppy programing, and as others here have pointed out what if the shoe was on the other foot and the game bug was to the disadvantage of the players instead?, then i too doubt that they would say " oh sorry malfunction, and return everyone's deposits", we would most likely never have heard about it.

Maybe RTG and MG for that matter should take a note from NetEnt's playbook and release new games to ONE casino before rolling them out to everyone.

 

[Nifty29]

So are the casinos going to refund all player losses on this 'faulty' game to date??

AFAIK, the slot WAS actually paying properly I.e. according to the paytable, except for a specific circumstance where an unscrupulous player could do a specific thing to invoke an "over pay" bug (for want of a better term). In other words, this specific play caused the actual malfunction, which had no impact on a player until it was deliberately triggered.

Unless every winning player has been denied winnings, regardless of whether they triggered the malfunction, then I can't see every losing player being reimbursed. The only situation I believe this should occur is if the game was paying incorrectly from the ground up and was paying LESS than the stated TRTP.

Based on the facts thus far, one would have to conclude that the only malfunction of the game was one that actually advantaged the player rather than took them for a ride, STS.

At this point, IMO only players with confiscated winnings should have deposits returned. If deliberate exploitation can be proven, all casino costs should be deducted and the remaining deposits refunded....plus in this case, Max's time chasing up a bogus PAB.

 

[maphesto]

AFAIK, the slot WAS actually paying properly I.e. according to the paytable, except for a specific circumstance where an unscrupulous player could do a specific thing to invoke an "over pay" bug (for want of a better term). In other words, this specific play caused the actual malfunction, which had no impact on a player until it was deliberately triggered.

Based on the facts thus far, one would have to conclude that the only malfunction of the game was one that actually advantaged the player rather than took them for a ride, STS.

The first bug from this game is from this post and forward...

cpdnd31 noticed it afterwards as well. It did not pay properly for cpdnd31. We also can't call HIGHIQ:s wins for malfunction wins, they are according to the paytable. But some smart*ss at RTG programming didn't understand that players can change betsize between features...

Still, HIGHIQ should have understood that this was against rules. It's exactly like they forget to use average bet on Wealth Spa or TR2.

 

[Googobucs]

In other words, this specific play caused the actual malfunction, which had no impact on a player until it was deliberately triggered.

Not everyone is an experienced player who would intentionally or "unscrupulously" manipulate their play to take advantage of a flaw. Many people routinely change their betting amounts up and down as they play including myself and it never occurred to me that i could screw over the casino by doing this until I saw this thread.
I played this game a lot and probably varied my bet frequently as I played with no knowledge or intent to deliberately do anything like this. I'm sure i was not the only person to do this. I wonder how ofter I got screwed by the game when I started betting high and then triggered the bonus with a lower bet??

 

[dunover]

The first bug from this game is from this post and forward...

cpdnd31 noticed it afterwards as well. It did not pay properly for cpdnd31. We also can't call HIGHIQ:s wins for malfunction wins, they are according to the paytable. But some smart*ss at RTG programming didn't understand that players can change betsize between features...

Still, HIGHIQ should have understood that this was against rules. It's exactly like they forget to use average bet on Wealth Spa or TR2.

What rules? Can you show me a copy?

 

[Nifty29]

The first bug from this game is from this post and forward...

cpdnd31 noticed it afterwards as well. It did not pay properly for cpdnd31. We also can't call HIGHIQ:s wins for malfunction wins, they are according to the paytable. But some smart*ss at RTG programming didn't understand that players can change betsize between features...

Still, HIGHIQ should have understood that this was against rules. It's exactly like they forget to use average bet on Wealth Spa or TR2.

If the only measure of proper function was the paytable, then I would agree.

The reality is that there are several aspects of a game that can malfunction e.g. a display error on a reel, a problem with adding correct amount to account balance, max win limit not kicking in, etc etc and the list goes on. It's easy to just consider the paytable, as that's the only tangible point of reference that we have, as the rest is "behind the scenes" as it were.

I'm sure that operators can tell the difference between players who just happened to benefit from the bug in the course of their usual play style etc, and those that deliberately set out to drain it....and I'm sure they have, given that it seems not everyone who won on the game has had their winnings voided. I'm sure those people certainly do not want their deposits back in stead.

As I said, there is no reason thus far to conclude that the malfunction affected any other part of the game apart from the feature/bet bug....which was actually a pro-player situation anyway. I see no reason to be talking about across the board refunds at this juncture.

 

[maxd]

homerbert is back. Please don't allow banned members to use your account or to post material through your account. 'Nuf said about that I hope.

 

[Nifty29]

What a shame homerbert.

I had some respect for you.

 

[homerbert]

homerbert is back. Please don't allow banned members to use your account or to post material through your account. 'Nuf said about that I hope.

Hi.
All my posts - my personal thoughts, not anyone else. I did not know why you made such decision about ban, and i am not understand it.
I never share my account with anyone( lol, of course you know it, you see my ip-adresses pool). And i did not copy-paste anything from HighIq. You made mistake, and i really hope you understand you were wrong Max, i did not angry on you anymore, but i was, as this is weird to ban me with no reason.
To be clear and did not post 10000 times, i did not agree that HighIQ should not get paid.
I will try to post less here.

 

[Tirilej]

Right now I must say I feel a little dirty, used

When this thread was ongoing he sent me a bunch of pm's.
I tried to keep him calm, assured him that as long as he hadn't done anything wrong then of course the casino would pay him.
Later it became these casinos.

I first told someone today that I felt a little sorry for him. I couldn't really explain why, but then it hit me.
The reason for sending me those pm's maybe was just to get my sympathy in case anything like this would happen.

Well, he won't get it, and I refuse to be used like that
I wonder how many more he have done the same to here?

...and Max! I do have a little more understanding now of how it feels to be constantly disappointed and lied to all the time.
That anger and sadness is not always nice to deal with. Damn him!

 

[homerbert]

What a shame homerbert.

I had some respect for you.

For me its shame on you, shame on Max, and everyone that does not try to defend me.
After seeing that i am banned, i am immideately contact Viktar(slotmonster) and ask him to told thats this is absolutely not acceptable. I never share my account with anyone(again, and Max can prove it). And i did not copypaste anything from others.
My account - my own account. My every post - my post. Not anyone else. My thoughts. My opinion. Hope you understand.
It really makes me pain, that i was called fraudster for such reason.

 

[maphesto]

For me its shame on you, shame on Max, and everyone that does not try to defend me.

We can't see your ip:s. Bryan and Webscaz can, probably Max and Simmo! as well. I saw immediately that your posts didn't look as they where from HIGHIQ and I wrote this in the thread, but please don't bash everyone who don't defend you because they probably thaught that Max saw and compared IP:s. At least I did.

 

[homerbert]

We can't see your ip:s. Bryan and Webscaz can, probably Max and Simmo! as well. I saw immediately that your posts didn't look as they where from HIGHIQ and I wrote this in the thread, but please don't bash everyone who don't defend you because they probably thaught that Max saw and compared IP:s. At least I did.

Sorry, i am just feel myself bad. You know, i spend a lot of time on this forum, and one day got banned with reason multi account of banned user. Sad things happens, but as i told, i did not involve in any multi accounting.

 

[zreb]

What a mess, huh? As a couple of others have said, the player, the casinos, and RTG all end up looking pretty bad here.

It's definitely a bit disappointing to hear the results, but in the end it's the decision that had to be made. The issue of whether a casino should be forced to pay when a poorly designed game can pay over 100% is a tricky one, and lengthy arguments could be made for both sides. But here at least we can be pretty sure that the player knew exactly what he was doing, along with the risks involved in doing so - sounds like those risks didn't pay off this time, and many of us had our time wasted being concerned with this issue.

Regarding the error in the game, I'm quite confident that it cost honest players more than it gained them. Many players like to increase their bets while winning and decrease them when they're losing - and what's the most common way for a player to come out ahead? To hit a big feature. This means that a player is more likely to reduce their bets as they are trying to hit one of the later, better paying, and more interesting features (before they run out of money), and only increase their bets after they use up their stored feature - that is, when they've already used up the accumulated value, and the bet increase gains nothing.


Unfortunately, it's now virtually impossible to make this fair for losing players even if the casinos wanted to. This was an error which,

1. Is very basic and should have been avoided in game design
2. Should have been caught in game testing
3. Should have been noticed due to irregularities in results (there really should be some overall, automatic analytics in place to find such irregularities)
4. Should have been looked into when players here informed reps and casinos

The game should not have been released in this state, and it should have been pulled when problems were detected. This was a large and easily avoidable error caused by RTG, and many casinos who were informed of the error are also complicit. Just one more reason to be wary of playing RTG.

A final note that I don't think has been touched upon, even though it turns out the player was exploiting the game, I still don't think that excuses dishonest communication. Presuming the OP was not flat out lying about his communication with support, he was told multiple times that his first payment would be sent the next day if memory serves me. The casino should have been honest and told him they were investigating a security concern rather than giving him the runaround.

 

[sapit222]

2 long time members banned for fraud (?) in a short time... Hope it doesnt continue like that...

I for 1 would atleast want to hear (read) some sort of explanation from both of them if possible (if they have any?).

I want to trust every1 on the forum after all.

If RTG & other game makers (or if its just the casinos?) ignore players warnings its a bad sign...

 

[Mouche12]

OMG, what a story. I really believed the OP was genuine.

I don't know the game and haven't played RTG for a long time, so all of this is mind baffling to me. Still, some explanation from Intertops would have been nice. Perhaps they should, like iNetbet, remove the game since players may also be put at a disadvantage because of said malfunction, or is this not possible?

 

[bigjohn]

Hi.
All my posts - my personal thoughts, not anyone else. I did not know why you made such decision about ban, and i am not understand it.
I never share my account with anyone( lol, of course you know it, you see my ip-adresses pool). And i did not copy-paste anything from HighIq. You made mistake, and i really hope you understand you were wrong Max, i did not angry on you anymore, but i was, as this is weird to ban me with no reason.
To be clear and did not post 10000 times, i did not agree that HighIQ should not get paid.
I will try to post less here.

I missed you for that couple of hours, lol. I always enjoy your unique point of view and the absolutely beautiful way you mangle the english language.

But seriously, I hope you post anytime and every time you feel like you can add to the topic being discussed.

(My meaning has been misinterpreted before so I just want to be clear the 'mangle' comment is a friendly jab and not meant to be hurtful in any way but an illustration of the wonderful diversity here.)

 

[Finn]

A final note that I don't think has been touched upon, even though it turns out the player was exploiting the game, I still don't think that excuses dishonest communication. Presuming the OP was not flat out lying about his communications, he was told multiple times that his first payment would be sent the next day if memory serves me. The casino should have been honest and told him they were investigating a security concern rather than giving him the runaround.

HIGHIQ earlier said here that during the phonecall, some CS personnel just asked when he had done the withdrawal, and they told the day when the withdrawal would be processed without even asking his account name.

Because of general slowness or payment processing, plus possible extra slowness due to people being on Christmas vacation, each CS person might have received dozens of calls about what took so long and when the money would arrive. The lower level CS personnel might have assumed that HIGHIQ's case was just like the those routine cases where person had won like 2k or less called in and complained over the payment taking so many days. So probably they were not lying, they just assumed that it was like the other complaints and questions over when the withdrawals would be processed.

 

[cpdnd31]

OK Iv'e been reading and to avoid any players getting more worked up these were my observations on game. You can reread the thread I posted on if you like. Now that I have everyone's attention and after the fact. Sorry the karma of all of this is amusing me now.

1st I noticed miss pays- paying less then what it should have been paying. I complained and they did not respond.

One example I won a free spin or bonus round forgive me but it has been almost a month. During that round it said I won 900 or so dollars -- it didn't credit it. Now I had surgery that day so I thought man these drugs are dam good. Until my husband laid down next to me and was watching me better ( because of blood pressure condition he was worried I was having some heart problems because of drugs). Well he noticed it said I won 400 and some and never credited it. Tried live chat was basically blown off.

Now I keep playing game and trying to take screenies for proof. The more the drugs wore off the more I was noticing. Miss pays higher and lower- tried live chat came here posted and pmd rep -- by the way rep still never contacted me so much for accreditation as far as I am concerned. I also emailed my affiliate friend.

So now I realize whats going on I have my proof. I switch to a game I never win at raise bets and loose it all - I did this on purpose I did not want this games money in my account at this point for fear of what just happened to this player. I talk to affiliate friend at another casino -- he said try live chat that Roman was not in. So I did, this time I said game is malfunctioning and where can I send screen shots -- they gave me email-- next day they say game is fine and credit back with a bonus and a wr. I annoyed so I took it played it to test game again more wacky then before they said it was fixed.

I email response saying I did not want bonus ty and played it game still broke . They apologize and refund my deposits again. They said game was fixed no problem. OK I took money and at this point I knew this was BLOOD MONEY, TAINTED MONEY call it what you want but it was money I really didn't want or want to win on.. I could only imagine if I did. So I play game again this time took video and saw one major error alone -on bonus it would credit you before it started as well as after it ended, HELLO - I posted no one gave a crap.

I never went back to casino even tho friends of mine said play there don't worry and blah blah blah. My response was they didn't give a shit about their game integrity they won't give a shit about me. NO thanks. and I moved on. I have been watching this thread I knew this was gonna happen. It's the players fault for trying to take advantage however if the casino didn't care enough to pull it when a customer complains and even logs the mistakes for them, well lets just say I have no pity for the casino either.

Both wrong I just wonder how many played not realizing they weren't getting full credit and how many played realizing they were getting double. The ones that did cash out were probably smart enough to keep it under 5 grand, hit it quick and run. I was honest and look how far that got me. Oh by the way rep still has never pmd me to say Thank you or Sorry.

So that's my story casino stepped in it and now they need to clean it up.

One last thing: This was never about the money with me. This was about game integrity. All I ever really wanted from casino was the game to be pulled and maybe a " hey you just saved our asses thousands Thank you." but I didn't even get that.

Now I wont play there even tho my friends do - just out of fear alone this game will get linked back to me if I ever do win on it or any other and the fact they didn't even care.

Game integrity says it all. if I can't believe in the illusion I don't want to watch the magic trick.

 

[dunover]

I still don't approve of HIGHIQ being called a 'fraudster'. Yes, he's an exploiter, and clearly intelligent enough to know what he's doing but I believe he genuinely thinks (and still does) that he should have been paid. He played the game as it was presented to him, pressed the buttons and won. The fact he could do this was down to the utter ineptitude and incompetence of RTG and their casinos. I think he is closer to an 'advantage' player than a dishonest person.

I haven't bet on horses for 16 years, but a director of a company I worked for was brother in law to a trainer. On 4 occasions he passed me tips on a horse being run that was 'going to win' on the understanding I didn't back them too big too early, i.e. got on just before the off to keep the price high. All 4 won (this was over a 7 month period). The bookie paid me, and after the second one he knew I was getting the 'info' but still took the bets and paid me. So, because I had knowledge/advantage that his other customers didn't, would that be justification to not pay me?

If HIGHIQ has an ability to spot these loopholes, then surely the casinos would be better to have him on their side, because clearly he's better at beta-testing software than they are....

 

[theapple]

If HIGHIQ has an ability to spot these loopholes, then surely the casinos would be better to have him on their side, because clearly he's better at beta-testing software than they are....

its not even about beta testing anymore, they had proofs the game is messed up and were too lazy to fix it or at least disable it until its fixed.

so yea while i really hate what that guy has done (as it gives casinos more excuses for worse and worse bonuses/promos/whatnot) i woudlnt feel sorry for casino in question if he actually got that money and ran away with him.

its almost the same thing as one of dark knight slots (forgot which one is it as i dont play that much lately) but that was pretty much their explanation

a) if you triggered free spins on bet higher than your average bet, they could and would reject your cashout request
b) if you triggered free spins on lower bet than your avg. one in that case its all good and there is no need to mention it at all.

tldr: as long as malfunctions/design fckups favor casinos, its all good but if you happen to win money because their devs or beta testers couldnt spot something obvious (and in this case it was going for months i believe), you couldnt get your money.

i dont see how is it any different with that new rtg slot so yes i really hate how casinos are abusing even their own screw ups and using it to make sure people dont get paid, because you know, that game was malfunctioning. for months too.

never thought im gonna say this, but i cant wait til this industry gets (a lot) more regulated, im even ready to pay VAT if needed, just to make sure there are actually serious regulation in place and where casino registered in some god forgotten place cant operate in EU/US without abiding some normal laws that wont favor just casino owners.

with all that said, i agree OP totally deserved a ban, if nothing else for being dishonest towards people who tried to help him.

 

[bigjohn]

I still don't approve of HIGHIQ being called a 'fraudster'. Yes, he's an exploiter, and clearly intelligent enough to know what he's doing but I believe he genuinely thinks (and still does) that he should have been paid. He played the game as it was presented to him, pressed the buttons and won. The fact he could do this was down to the utter ineptitude and incompetence of RTG and their casinos. I think he is closer to an 'advantage' player than a dishonest person.

I haven't bet on horses for 16 years, but a director of a company I worked for was brother in law to a trainer. On 4 occasions he passed me tips on a horse being run that was 'going to win' on the understanding I didn't back them too big too early, i.e. got on just before the off to keep the price high. All 4 won (this was over a 7 month period). The bookie paid me, and after the second one he knew I was getting the 'info' but still took the bets and paid me. So, because I had knowledge/advantage that his other customers didn't, would that be justification to not pay me?

If HIGHIQ has an ability to spot these loopholes, then surely the casinos would be better to have him on their side, because clearly he's better at beta-testing software than they are....

I think Max clearly spelled out why he was tossed here;

My issue with HIGHIQ is not that he got burned by mistakenly taking advantage of A game at A casino, it's that he looks for these game issues and them makes a career out of exploiting them. THEN he comes to us, fluffs up his story so it sounds like he's the victim of terrible misunderstandings, and uses us to fight his casino battles for him. This is the second time I've been through this with him. Enough is enough!

Which would make him a serial exploiter not only of casinos but of this board as well.

 

[gagamel]

In my opinion the biggest problem with players like HIGHIQ is, that I have to pay for his benefits.
He was for sure not the only one who made profits with this bug. And I would bet that casinos with big losses will lowering the TRTP, no problem with RTG.
It`s like all these damned bonushunters. 10 years ago I had bonuses for BJ 10x wagering, BJ counts 100%.
Today I have to wager 30 or 40 or 60 times my bonus and BJ counts 1 to 10%.
We have this trend since a lot of smart guys aka a**holes wants to make money with an amusement that will normally make you lose.
And HIGHIQ plays in this league.

 

[homerbert]

In my opinion the biggest problem with players like HIGHIQ is, that I have to pay for his benefits.
He was for sure not the only one who made profits with this bug. And I would bet that casinos with big losses will lowering the TRTP, no problem with RTG.
It`s like all these damned bonushunters. 10 years ago I had bonuses for BJ 10x wagering, BJ counts 100%.
Today I have to wager 30 or 40 or 60 times my bonus and BJ counts 1 to 10%.
We have this trend since a lot of smart guys aka a**holes wants to make money with an amusement that will normally make you lose.
And HIGHIQ plays in this league.

be smart and we blame you so cool, really, respect to you.
Dunover told with nice words what i trying to tell you few pages.
Everyone call fraud, but i do not see fraud here, where is it?
Believe me, RTG earn a lot of money, and this their job, to see what games they publish. Not highiq, not my, not CM.
P.S. Max if this again similar with what highiq write your or something, i swear i made this post myself.
P.P.S. fu** as**oles pokerpro, they take money from my fish, 5 years ago was so easy to win, bonuses was cool. But they appear, this smart idi**ts and make things bad.
^trying to get gagamel on good road.

 

[dunover]

In my opinion the biggest problem with players like HIGHIQ is, that I have to pay for his benefits.
He was for sure not the only one who made profits with this bug. And I would bet that casinos with big losses will lowering the TRTP, no problem with RTG.
It`s like all these damned bonushunters. 10 years ago I had bonuses for BJ 10x wagering, BJ counts 100%.
Today I have to wager 30 or 40 or 60 times my bonus and BJ counts 1 to 10%.
We have this trend since a lot of smart guys aka a**holes wants to make money with an amusement that will normally make you lose.And HIGHIQ plays in this league.

Isn't that why we all play? So are Chopley and Vinyl and others here 'a**holes' for making money on amusements which people normally lose on? I.E. Pub AWP's? For every 'smart guy' there are hundreds of stooges who simply play-lose-play-lose etc. That's gambling gagamel. It's a game of cat-and-mouse between them and us. They try and reel our cash in with offers/bonuses and we try and get one over on them by taking their money in return.
Yes, their are casino reps on this forum, who are great people but let's not forget the facts - they and their businesses exist solely to take your and my cash, and we play solely to try and take theirs......

 

[gagamel]

Thank you I am on a good road.
If you find a way to get more money and you know it`s because of a bug in a system then you are a frauster.
Please ask your bank account manager, your CC company or someone else who deals with money.
If you take money that is not yours and you don`t tell it or you use it then it`s a crime.
Same here, he made 300k profit with a bug in the system and instead of keeping quiet he asked for help here, made a PAB. That`s not only stupid, it`s unethical. He played on maxd.
I wish you all the best homerbert. You believe in HIGHIQ, I believed in bsilva. But we are both wrong with these guys.
And now you are on the ignore list.
Bye

 

[gagamel]

Isn't that why we all play? So are Chopley and Vinyl and others here 'a**holes' for making money on amusements which people normally lose on? I.E. Pub AWP's? For every 'smart guy' there are hundreds of stooges who simply play-lose-play-lose etc. That's gambling gagamel. It's a game of cat-and-mouse between them and us. They try and reel our cash in with offers/bonuses and we try and get one over on them by taking their money in return.

No, please read Niftys explanation for AWP`s. I`m sure you didn`t noticed.

 

[dunover]

No, please read Niftys explanation for AWP`s. I`m sure you didn`t noticed.

I know all about AWP's as I used to 'do' them myself at one time, plus I read Nifty's piece. The principle is exactly the same, a select few players taking advantage of weaknesses in the software, playing in a certain way to produce an advantage unintended by the provider. Unfortunately for HIGHIQ the online slots don't instantly disgorge their coins into your hand like the land-based ones do.....

 

[gagamel]

Isn't that why we all play? So are Chopley and Vinyl and others here 'a**holes' for making money on amusements which people normally lose on? I.E. Pub AWP's? For every 'smart guy' there are hundreds of stooges who simply play-lose-play-lose etc. That's gambling gagamel. It's a game of cat-and-mouse between them and us. They try and reel our cash in with offers/bonuses and we try and get one over on them by taking their money in return.

Also I would say it`s not helpful to mix british landbased games with online games, because these games are working totally different.

 

[gagamel]

I know all about AWP's as I used to 'do' them myself at one time, plus I read Nifty's piece. The principle is exactly the same, a select few players taking advantage of weaknesses in the software, playing in a certain way to produce an advantage unintended by the provider. Unfortunately for HIGHIQ the online slots don't instantly disgorge their coins into your hand like the land-based ones do.....

I`m not a specialist, but as far as I know the AWP`s are designed to put out some big hits if there is enough money spented. For online games there are other rules, with other words AWP`s are not random, online slots are.

 

[dunover]

Also I would say it`s not helpful to mix british landbased games with online games, because these games are working totally different.

I think you are losing the meaning here in translation - I know the games aren't the same, I refer to the principle....

 

[Finn]

Based on this evidence, I believe that HIGHIQ knew that he was exploiting.

So, as some of you will probably have guessed, the OP used that exploit to dramatically increase his winnings. Contrary to his implied statement that only a modest portion of his winnings came from the defective game the casino has shown that fully 85% of the total winnings were derived via the game exploit. Furthermore the non-exploit winnings came after.

hi everyone...

this is the result of two deposits that i sign up through casinomeister at Intertops...didnt took any bonusses

i had amazing run and the best pay was VULCAN slot pay 6000x my bet... had that 500x multiplier... hit also nice wins on the new slot orc vs elf and paydirt and many more .. oh yeah not to forget the slot DREAM RUN

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If he had believed that he had just discovered some perfectly legit uber tactic, and didn't want to share it because he didn't want it to be nerfed, he could still have told the truth from which slots he got the winnings, the fact that he felt the need to lie about this is a sign of that he knew that the Orc vs Elf thingy was an exploit and a relatively well known one on this board.


this is the result of two deposits that i sign up through casinomeister at Intertops...didnt took any bonusses

i had amazing run and the best pay was VULCAN slot pay 6000x my bet..

Here he implies that he won massively at Vulcan slot at Intertops, and that was the main source of his Intertops winnings, yeah that would make sense, with 6000x, you don't even need mega high bet to break 100k, and he posted a screenshot where he had a bet set at $25, though on different RTG slot, so he must have been high rolling Vulcan on same way, he must have won tens of thousands when high rolling Vulcan and getting that 6000x hit at Intertops and this explains his $110k account balance at the Intertops Dream Run screenshot. Or does it?

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However as the other screenshot shows, the 6000x Vulcan hit was at iNetBet Euro when lowrolling with 0.75€ stake. Considering his total of 300k winnings at RTG casinos, that 4.5k € hit at iNetBet euro hit was relatively insignificant, yet he put such an emphasis on it, and implied that 6000x Vulcan hit was at Intertops.

As the iNetBet Euro, Slotocash and Guts screenshots show, HIGHIQ knows how to take screenshots of his legitimate big wins. However for his Intertops adventures, we got only this pathetic screenshot that shows just the account balance, and the starting situation in Dream Run slot, the reels are on their default positions before the first spin.

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If he believed that his gains in Orc vs Elf were honest, why not show some money shots from Orc vs Elf

i had amazing run and the best pay was VULCAN slot pay 6000x my bet... had that 500x multiplier... hit also nice wins on the new slot orc vs elf and paydirt and many more .. oh yeah not to forget the slot DREAM RUN


if he believed that he got 85% of his winnings from orc vs elf with honest means, his statement would have emphasized that game more, not just mention it passing by, nice wins also in that and many more. But because he knew that it was well know exploit on this board, he felt the need to lie about it.

If I had this obvious exploiter at my casino, not only would I confiscate the expenses of dealing with this crap from HIGHIQ's initial deposits, but as reward for all the extra effort and bad mouthing I would also send a tip to Dutch IRS. Of EU countries, Great Britain doesn't try to tax poker and other gambling income. In Finland non-EU/non-EAA gambling and poker income is taxed on based on yearly net winnings, and if you are classified pro, you can deduct up to 10 year old losses from new net gains. However Netherlands tax laws say that non-EU/non-EAA poker and gambling income is taxed based on monthly net winnings at non-EU/non-EAA casinos, at rate of 29%. This is the reason why some casinos and poker operators have in addition to Curacao or Isle of Man license a license at Malta, this enables Dutch and Finns, Swedes etc to get their winnings tax free. If you lose $100k one month, and win $100k another month, both in UK and Finland your net gains would be 0, but in Netherlands you would actually lose $29k because of taxes. HIGHIQ probably owes tens of thousands in taxes for his gambling activies at non-EU/non-EAA Curacao, Kahnawake, Isle of Man and Alderney casinos.

 

[trioval88]

wow

When does the movie come out?

 

[dunover]

Based on this evidence, I believe that HIGHIQ knew that he was exploiting.










If he had believed that he had just discovered some perfectly legit uber tactic, and didn't want to share it because he didn't want it to be nerfed, he could still have told the truth from which slots he got the winnings, the fact that he felt the need to lie about this is a sign of that he knew that the Orc vs Elf thingy was an exploit and a relatively well known one on this board.


this is the result of two deposits that i sign up through casinomeister at Intertops...didnt took any bonusses

i had amazing run and the best pay was VULCAN slot pay 6000x my bet..

Here he implies that he won massively at Vulcan slot at Intertops, and that was the main source of his Intertops winnings, yeah that would make sense, with 6000x, you don't even need mega high bet to break 100k, and he posted a screenshot where he had a bet set at $25, though on different RTG slot, so he must have been high rolling Vulcan on same way, he must have won tens of thousands when high rolling Vulcan and getting that 6000x hit at Intertops and this explains his $110k account balance at the Intertops Dream Run screenshot. Or does it?

However as the other screenshot shows, the 6000x Vulcan hit was at iNetBet Euro when lowrolling with 0.75€ stake. Considering his total of 300k winnings at RTG casinos, that 4.5k € hit at iNetBet euro hit was relatively insignificant, yet he put such an emphasis on it, and implied that 6000x Vulcan hit was at Intertops.

As the iNetBet Euro, Slotocash and Guts screenshots show, HIGHIQ knows how to take screenshots of his legitimate big wins. However for his Intertops adventures, we got only this pathetic screenshot that shows just the account balance, and the starting situation in Dream Run slot, the reels are on their default positions before the first spin.

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If he believed that his gains in Orc vs Elf were honest, why not show some money shots from Orc vs Elf

i had amazing run and the best pay was VULCAN slot pay 6000x my bet... had that 500x multiplier... hit also nice wins on the new slot orc vs elf and paydirt and many more .. oh yeah not to forget the slot DREAM RUN


if he believed that he got 85% of his winnings from orc vs elf with honest means, his statement would have emphasized that game more, not just mention it passing by, nice wins also in that and many more. But because he knew that it was well know exploit on this board, he felt the need to lie about it.

If I had this obvious exploiter at my casino, not only would I confiscate the expenses of dealing with this crap from HIGHIQ's initial deposits, but as reward for all the extra effort and bad mouthing I would also send a tip to Dutch IRS. Of EU countries, Great Britain doesn't try to tax poker and other gambling income. In Finland non-EU/non-EAA gambling and poker income is taxed on based on yearly net winnings, and if you are classified pro, you can deduct up to 10 year old losses from new net gains. However Netherlands tax laws say that non-EU/non-EAA poker and gambling income is taxed based on monthly net winnings at non-EU/non-EAA casinos, at rate of 29%. This is the reason why some casinos and poker operators have in addition to Curacao or Isle of Man license a license at Malta, this enables Dutch and Finns, Swedes etc to get their winnings tax free. If you lose $100k one month, and win $100k another month, both in UK and Finland your net gains would be 0, but in Netherlands you would actually lose $29k because of taxes. HIGHIQ probably owes tens of thousands in taxes for his gambling activies at non-EU/non-EAA Curacao, Kahnawake, Isle of Man and Alderney casinos.

Right, so the software provider has a catastrophic error in one of its slots, so HIGHIQ pays for them finding that out? He's done them a favour in the end. As for the Dutch IRS, your statement about HIGHIQ's taxes is totally without foundation and assumptive.

As for the screenshots, you are correct but think about it - if YOU had a 'system' would you give it away to all and sundry on CM?
A casino can only have 'exploiters' if they are careless enough to have something to exploit - whether that be over-generous EV+ bonuses or in this case, lunatic software from RTG.

 

[cpdnd31]

I tried to do them that favor in the beginning and they blew me off. LOL Still sitting here waiting on that Thank you!

 

[Mouche12]

Thank you I am on a good road.
If you find a way to get more money and you know it`s because of a bug in a system then you are a frauster.
Please ask your bank account manager, your CC company or someone else who deals with money.
If you take money that is not yours and you don`t tell it or you use it then it`s a crime.
Same here, he made 300k profit with a bug in the system and instead of keeping quiet he asked for help here, made a PAB. That`s not only stupid, it`s unethical. He played on maxd.
I wish you all the best homerbert. You believe in HIGHIQ, I believed in bsilva. But we are both wrong with these guys.
And now you are on the ignore list.
Bye

The first part I dig totally. But why on the ignore list? Everyone's entitled to their opinions...