Depositing at Videoslots again, because at least it works

[pinnit2014]

Withdrawals are for wimps.

Currently still up from where I finished last night, although Big Bonus played really hard work for a well..... big bonus. Fortunately a four scatters trigger and the top 100x pick led to a much welcomed save from a downward trajectory. (The way the bonus works on Big Bonus is you have infinite free spins with sticky wilds until you hit a single win that tops the threshold picked at the start of the bonus, so 100x is a really nice pick and one I've never had before.)

Round finished at 454x which is a nice result.

If you've never tried Big Bonus I'd recommend it, I covered it on my old channel. Nice game. Do be aware it can be hard to hit the bonus though, and sometimes they can pay wanky if you get the 20x threshold pick.

And The Finer Reels Of Life is still around as well, albeit in sub-standard HTML5 form, but it's still the same game.

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You've done well, soy boi, beta band boy, wimp

 

[ChopleyIOM]

You've done well, soy boi, beta band boy, wimp

It's all those mRNA Covid vaccinations I've had, the Bluetooth signals I give off scramble the online casino systems and send winning combinations to my computer.

I had a final push this evening at Neon Pyramid, but after three hours of tussling had to accept the big win was going to elude me, and cashed out with £202.30p (I did actually make the withdrawal this evening).

Checking my Bandicam folder I have over eight hours of footage of constant gameplay, from a £100 deposit, that resulted in a cashout of me just over doubling my money.

No complaints from me on this one, I steer clear of slots with bonus buys, slots with enhanced stakes for 'extra bonus chances', any slot with a save/stored value mechanic, anything by Prag, NLC and a couple of other providers, generally gravitating towards older games with more sensible variance profiles and what I consider to be more transparent maths.

Literally whilst I've been typing this post the withdrawal has been processed by VS (11pm on a Saturday night!), just got the email from them now.

I just wish they'd still send the odd bonus offer out, the days of 100% match offers (or any offers from them) seem to be long gone, which is a shame.

Anyway, decent online slots sessions are clearly still possible, I don't even remotely buy into all the sinister theories about everything having been gimped/compensated, or games being underhandedly changed behind the scenes. The key IMO is to steer clear of a lot of the more devious modern shite with stupid volatility and nonsense like saved value, and always keep an eye on the RTPs.

Here's the finish point on Neon Pyramid, in fairness it took my balance down about £60 in three hours which isn't too bad, I was under £200 at one point but it pulled back up.

I was starting to get the sense I'd pushed my luck far enough, so opted to press the withdrawal button at this point.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well if you're going to report the wins, it's only fair to report the losses, and alas this week's £100 deposit has now been scattered to the four winds for Videoslots to spend on blackjack and hookers.

I'm very much a player who likes to lump away at a small number of games rather than flit around the place, and when a game isn't playing ball I tend to dig my heels in, sometimes it works out and I get a rescue, whereas other times I simply stand in the middle of the train tracks and wait there for as long as it takes for the train to hit me.

Three games by 4ThePlayer for this session. 10X Rewind came out swinging with a fine performance and boosted my balance up to just shy of £170, and took fewer than 400 spins to do it. I covered 10X Rewind on my old channel, it's a great game with a really nice hook in how it plays out the feature (as the name suggests, it starts rewinding base game spins for the free spins, with ascending multipliers and cash prizes being conferred by scatters as it goes).

Not a massive amount to show in screenshot terms I'm afraid, but I'll do my best.

Total playtime for the deposit was eight hours, which isn't too bad I suppose, although I was sticking to games that 4ThePlayer flag as medium or medium-high volatility.

As you can see from the stats, 10X Rewind smashed it but that was only 400 spins, the others were..... less impressive.

Convinced I was on a 4ThePlayer hot streak, I moved over to the 1-2-3 Boom and things did not go so well. Four and a half hours later I was back down to £100.

Not entirely sure what to make of this game, the base game is pretty dull and really struggles to hit decently, the feature has an ascending multiplier a bit like Bonanza, but the reels move right to left instead of tumbles from the top, and because they're basic reels there are no Megaways style shenanigans going on.

For the final instalment of the session I set about 7 Gold Fruits which is a very cheerful looking game with lots of nice colours and two bonus rounds to choose from, neither of which I managed to win much of anything on.

It also has those sort of 'fixed progressive' things, which are available as you can see in the screenshots below, the maximum being 5000x. I didn't even remotely trouble any of those, including the meagre 100x prize.

I dared to dream of a save when on my final spin (18p left in my balance!) I triggered a feature, but it paid crap and shortly after the session was at an end.

From memory it didn't manage the high side of 100x, and after nearly three hours of rather underwhelming gameplay, I had to inform Tiny Timmy that there will be no Christmas this year.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

To help take my mind off all the right wing riots going on in the UK at the moment, I deposited again at VS to express my concerns. Later on I'll go and smash the windows of the Co-Op to pinch a microwave if I can be bothered.

Anyway, I just lumped away at 7 Gold Fruits for four hours, and basically had my money back by the end of it (£105 deposit). And finally managed to hit something decent too.

So the end result is my deposit lives to fight another day, which is satisfactory.

The bonus rounds on this can be absolute arses when they want to be, I'm still not entirely sure if one is higher variance than the other, although I think on balance the 'respin for fruits' feature, screenshots below, is possibly the lumpier. This is also the one that guarantees one of the jackpots if you fill the entire grid, which I very nearly did here, although one of them is a mere 100x, doubtless you'd just get that one if you managed to do it.

You can also land the jackpots in the basegame but that requires getting a 5OAK with gold sevens and having the correct special seven symbol land on reel 5.

Feature below is the best I've had on this so far, 298x.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Thought I'd have a crack at an old classic for this evening's session. Starting bankroll was £130.

Arguably one of the best games BTG have ever made IMO.

102x

329x

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I fought the Danger High Voltage and the Danger High Voltage didn't win. Well it sort of did, a little bit, to the tune of 50p.

After five hours of solid play and nearly 3000 spins, helped by a final decent feature flourish, I found myself left with a balance of £129.50p, from a starting point of £130. This represents 99.91% RTP.

I'll settle for that.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

With this thread and the other discussion in the 10,000 x thread I thought I’d have a go…

As usual. This disgrace of a game produces what it does for me almost every time…. FUCK ALL.

£60 deposited on 60p so a nice round 100x

1 feature, which even I was surprised at..

Obv the skull and 11x 5 of which is the trigger. Well fucking played game.

Money lasted an age….

I will now crack on to prove that u can tell when BTG games are completely fucked like an alien after a pro punter has left it wanting a ton for a board.

Let’s see how this goes……

Chopley even without winning you are the spawniest luck box behind Dazza and you don’t even fucking know it.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Oh the joy of BTG….

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

A 2nd feature at £150 in…

Instead of a skull I get the even worse symbol.

A fucking disco ball….

Well worth the wait obv…..

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

The tilt is real…..

 

[ChopleyIOM]

You're on 60p spins though, so to hit my preferred 'ride out the rough spots' bankroll of 500x, you'd need a £300 deposit. Not that this guarantees anything of course, but you're inviting a bit of a boom or bust session with that stake to bankroll ratio.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Chopley again stating the obvious. I’m well aware of that. I smashed it at weekend so had money to burn. Was going to do the 500x bankroll if needed.

I went £200 in and it broke. Then started playing up so have left it for time being.

Thoroughly entertaining tho.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

I shall report back with the final ton loss of my £300 to lose 500x in standard PMK DHV playtime.

Which generally is a tad over an hour.

I’ve had it take 500x for no feature numerous times. With no features and no double 6x lands the game can’t produce anything.

Which is exactly what it does to me 99 times out of 100!!!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I shall report back with the final ton loss of my £300 to lose 500x in standard PMK DHV playtime.

Which generally is a tad over an hour.

I’ve had it take 500x for no feature numerous times. With no features and no double 6x lands the game can’t produce anything.

Which is exactly what it does to me 99 times out of 100!!!

You need to ask for access to the DazChop Special Limited Edition version of the game.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Haha if only I had the keys to that server!!

What’s really irritating about the NYX version of the game is that you know when a tease is landing. Just something else to annoy the shit out of you when braining!!

 

[dunover]

That's one game I hate, despite the great design etc. I lost every time I played it, last time a few years ago. Usually 14/15 dead spins on 66x wild feature, invariably including about 4-5 stacked wilds that were bogus, on Gates of Hell over in 3 spins from 7 when not one bastard position of your 'randomly selected' symbol has landed.

You can leave that one behind the gay bar.

FTR I am an ex-online gambler now, nowhere left to play as my last one has 'audited' me and I ain't doing it. On top of that, in a few weeks the nanny stakes come in, so if I won well and tried to play over £5 it wouldn't happen. Ain't ever going to play unlicensed/crapto, so that's that after 15 years of 'fun'.

Nearly done the first week, ain't missing it at all.

P.S. Or move to the IoM. But the weather...

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Like Chops………….

You’ll be back.

It’s in your DNA.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

P.S. Or move to the IoM. But the weather...

It was lovely here yesterday, I took a picture especially for you. Not so nice today though.

Also, from an IOM IP you'll get autoplay - (and other UKGC banned activities) - back at places that geolocate you properly, such as VS.

We have a whole website dedicated to getting people over here -

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As you can see however, the days of tourist-packed beaches are long gone. You can see the Summerland site in the distance on this picture. If anyone ever bangs on about 'elf 'n safety' I point to this as a crystal clear example of why it's so massively important.

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[ChopleyIOM]

As chance would have it this picture was posted to a local nostalgia group I'm a member of on Facebook, taken from roughly(ish...) the same spot as my picture above.

This would have been the mid to late 1960s.

Compare and contrast! The cheap package holiday did for the IOM as a mainstream tourist destination.

The original Summerland had not been built when this picture was taken, it went up in 1969/1970 and was opened in 1971.

 

[Kroffe]

well the 3 people that stayed on the beach from the first photo has been there for 50+ years now, you really cant expect that from the average beach-goer so it makes sense that its mostly empty.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

A very agreeable raise on Donuts this evening, from a starting balance of £113.

I'm starting to re-appraise some of BTG's back catalogue in a more favourable light, given how shite a lot of slots output is these days.

Notable events were a 180x hit in the basegame (as well as a couple of others over the 50x stop trigger).

Feature pays were as follows. Seven features in 958 spins is 1/137 so well ahead of the curve there, and apart from a horrible 2x bonus round, they paid decently too on average.

32x
135x
38x
250x (retrigger)
2x
86x
135x (retrigger)

End result after just over 90 minutes was a balance of £216.91, which I'll carry forward into Friday evening for the proper session.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Donuts is in my regular list tbh, and it’s sister, chocolates, but that’s a little bit more extreme, well I find it can be

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Donuts is in my regular list tbh, and it’s sister, chocolates, but that’s a little bit more extreme, well I find it can be

Not one I've tried before, I'll give it a bash tomorrow evening

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Having now put 7218 spins through Chocolate and watching it consume 1116x stake over a period of many hours. I would say I am not a fan. I was never in profit.

Average feature frequency was 1/233. Highest pay was 234x, lowest pay was 8x. (You can see the full list of feature pays below, the figure at the end of the file name is the feature pay, i.e. 52x or 21x or whatever.)

In 31 features I didn't get a single retrigger, which you kind of need to get the boxes properly going across all four reels.

At the outer edge it can make you wait over an hour for a feature (and that's with constant autospinning).

After 7218 spins I am 12.2% below T-RTP.

It has irritated me beyond the point of depositing for another crack at it so instead I will read a book this evening whilst having some nice music on in the background.

Ahhh well, you play with high volatility fire, you're going to get burned.

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[Reelsoffun]

Well I did warn you it was a bit more extreme.....not to camp out on it! I would not have stuck it out for anywhere near as long as that when its playing cold!

Clearly the degsy spawn wasn't in force today! It is one that starts to motor with a retrigger and at least one box on each reel.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well I did warn you it was a bit more extreme.....not to camp out on it! I would not have stuck it out for anywhere near as long as that when its playing cold!

Clearly the degsy spawn wasn't in force today! It is one that starts to motor with a retrigger and at least one box on each reel.

When I dig my heels in I tend to persevere past the point of stupidity.

Even though I was never in profit it did give me a couple of bail-out points when I got back up over £100 (which was my original start point before Donuts on Thursday), and I knew I should probably move onto something else, but I was in the mindset of one decent hit (500x at that point, but needed to be higher as my balance dropped ) would get me back over £200.

Alas it was not to be.

I can definitely see how you'd only need to get one feature on a retrigger with the four reels covered (i.e. at least one box on each) to deliver a really solid hit, but it's not the easiest thing in the world to land at all.

It also suffers from 'obvious dead feature' syndrome where you can tell it's going to be a shitter about halfway through, whereas Donuts for example, can pull a single big spin out of nowhere as it's not relying on getting the boxes stacked up.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Yeah true, and for that reason Donuts does get more play from me than chocolates, but its nice when chocolates hits, or is playing nice, my only other real gripe on choc is the purples are quite watered down on the pay table.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I have no idea why I'm doing this.

I WILL HAVE MY REVENGE.

£150 deposit plus weekend booster.

Also I got a SOW pop-up screen to fill in before play could commence.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Best bonus round so far. Unfortunately it broke Videoslots in the process

390x, still haven't had a retrigger though!

 

[Jono777]

Yeah, I was happily hanging onto the last £8 of my deposit when it crashed, oh well save me another few mins before busting.

DoA did manage to give me scatters on reels 1-4 and miss on the 5th (again) I'd worked out (very rough and none committed, with YEARS of playing it) averages that when you got this set up it would hit 1/7. Now I've managed 0/21

 

[TheAddict]

I worked out from 100 wild lines and alot of 5 scatters that you'd never be down 15,000x stake without getting a wildline somewhere inbetween .
Strange how things suddenly change so drastically when Evo gets a hold of something, uh?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Success! 1164x and that's without a retrigger.

With the box configuration on the final two spins a retrigger would have locked in a bit of a monster, but I can't really complain about the result.

That's basically money back on this now. Maybe HV games aren't that scary after all, as long as you're prepared to just keep plugging away at the bastards.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

One of those evenings where your luck is just in.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Moderately interestingly, my RTP on Chocolates after nearly 10K spins is 99.9%, so I've basically lost a quid or so on it.

At the end of the day it's got a solid RTP, you just need to be able to ride it out until it finally kicks something back.

With my bankroll having been burnished by that splendid win last night, and a bit of further spawn on Reno 7s as per the screenies above (I like Quickspin games, and featured them quite regularly on my old YT channel), I now have a bankroll of £450 to take on another HV BTG game.

Since it's the weekend that is a task I shall begin to undertake this afternoon.

Also, since BTG games don't need much interaction, I'll also be able to play Steamworld Heist 2 on my PS5 at the same time.

I do like a turn based strategy game.

 

[mack341]

Moderately interestingly, my RTP on Chocolates after nearly 10K spins is 99.9%, so I've basically lost a quid or so on it.

At the end of the day it's got a solid RTP, you just need to be able to ride it out until it finally kicks something back.

With my bankroll having been burnished by that splendid win last night, and a bit of further spawn on Reno 7s as per the screenies above (I like Quickspin games, and featured them quite regularly on my old YT channel), I now have a bankroll of £450 to take on another HV BTG game.

Since it's the weekend that is a task I shall begin to undertake this afternoon.

Also, since BTG games don't need much interaction, I'll also be able to play Steamworld Heist 2 on my PS5 at the same time.

I do like a turn based strategy game.

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Chop if you don't mind me asking, how long was the session roughly?

Two of my usual haunts have put me on the naughty step recently for playing too long.

As you mentioned HV games may not be scary if you're prepared to plug away at them, but you run the risk then of time police being on your case.

Some of the questions asked by casinos are ridiculous, basically along the lines of 'do you ever try to win your money back?' If you don't answer No then you're a problem gambler.

Their ideal customer is somebody who likes to pay a fortune to just watch some sprites appearing on the screen in random patterns, but then gets bored in about 1hr and logs out.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Chop if you don't mind me asking, how long was the session roughly?

Two of my usual haunts have put me on the naughty step recently for playing too long.

As you mentioned HV games may not be scary if you're prepared to plug away at them, but you run the risk then of time police being on your case.

Some of the questions asked by casinos are ridiculous, basically along the lines of 'do you ever try to win your money back?' If you don't answer No then you're a problem gambler.

Their ideal customer is somebody who likes to pay a fortune to just watch some sprites appearing on the screen in random patterns, but then gets bored in about 1hr and logs out.

I've had non-stop sessions at VS of hours at a time. Today I've had Rasputin going since 1pm and it's still spinning away now.

Remember though they geolocate me properly to the IOM so it's possible I get a different set of rules on the backend when it comes to some things, games wise I still get autoplay and bonus buys and all that stuff, for example.

Yesterday I got a pop-up screen for SOW after I deposited but before I started playing, I just filled it in and submitted it, and that's the last I've heard of it.

It's possible my 'play profile' looks fairly low risk as well, in terms of deposits, stakes chosen, withdrawal patterns and so on - I really don't know TBH. Certainly I just get left alone to spin away for as long as I like, which is very much what I'd want to happen!

 

[dunover]

I've had non-stop sessions at VS of hours at a time. Today I've had Rasputin going since 1pm and it's still spinning away now.

Remember though they geolocate me properly to the IOM so it's possible I get a different set of rules on the backend when it comes to some things, games wise I still get autoplay and bonus buys and all that stuff, for example.

Yesterday I got a pop-up screen for SOW after I deposited but before I started playing, I just filled it in and submitted it, and that's the last I've heard of it.

It's possible my 'play profile' looks fairly low risk as well, in terms of deposits, stakes chosen, withdrawal patterns and so on - I really don't know TBH. Certainly I just get left alone to spin away for as long as I like, which is very much what I'd want to happen!

Goody! If you're lucky you'll get maximum reel sizes and retriggers for zillions of ways, only to watch reels 1 and 3 match but never with 2 and sporadic 6OAK greens amazingly for 4 or 8 whole ways out of zillions, for a few pence.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Goody! If you're lucky you'll get maximum reel sizes and retriggers for zillions of ways, only to watch reels 1 and 3 match but never with 2 and sporadic 6OAK greens amazingly for 4 or 8 whole ways out of zillions, for a few pence.

Well after plugging away at the bastard for nearly nine hours I finally got all the retriggers in the BIG AND STRONG bonus round, and it totally wasn't worth it

Unfortunately with such a ridiculous number of Megaways, the gimpy reel strip layouts really do become quite blatantly apparent!

2,985,984 Megaways, and it can easily manage a total miss or a single 2OAK

This is the spin where I unlocked the final retrigger, note that my feature win is already £58.72p and I go into the fully unlocked reels with 11 spins remaining.

And here's where it finished....

But to keep it all in perspective, I have £474 in my balance from a £150 deposit yesterday, and after nearly nine hours of solid play, these are my stats on Rasputin.

However I'm happy to say that to my mind I've 'completed' Rasputin now, so I'll move onto the next one!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

And the full record of feature wins here. One single basegame win that hit the 50x threshold.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Success! 1164x and that's without a retrigger.

With the box configuration on the final two spins a retrigger would have locked in a bit of a monster, but I can't really complain about the result.

That's basically money back on this now. Maybe HV games aren't that scary after all, as long as you're prepared to just keep plugging away at the bastards.

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Phew!....... That's a relief I was starting to regret my decision to suggest it to you in the first place, but glad you have now seen it does have some potential in it

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Phew!....... That's a relief I was starting to regret my decision to suggest it to you in the first place, but glad you have now seen it does have some potential in it

Ha it's OK I wouldn't have taken it personally I know what I'm getting into with BTG's games.

According to the online casino review sites Chocolates has a max pay of 65,000x, which I can well believe, assuming that the game allows multiple retriggers and in extremis, for the entire grid to be filled with boxes. (Which would at that point give three extra spins with completely filled box reels.)

Sometimes BTG's maths goes a bit far for my taste, see above the way they have to 'control' the reels on Rasputin to limit the pays to less than six gazillion pounds when there are nearly three million Megaways going on.

It's a bit of an anti-climax to get a bonus round to its ultimate evolution and then get dicked off like that, compare and contrast with The Final Countdown and its x256 wild which basically guarantees a monster.

Anyway, I have a nice bankroll to play with so I'm currently selecting the next BTG slot to properly lump away at, £474.62p equates to 2372x bet at 20p spins, which should be enough to ride out an extended dead patch.....

 

[dunover]

Ha it's OK I wouldn't have taken it personally I know what I'm getting into with BTG's games.

According to the online casino review sites Chocolates has a max pay of 65,000x, which I can well believe, assuming that the game allows multiple retriggers and in extremis, for the entire grid to be filled with boxes. (Which would at that point give three extra spins with completely filled box reels.)

Sometimes BTG's maths goes a bit far for my taste, see above the way they have to 'control' the reels on Rasputin to limit the pays to less than six gazillion pounds when there are nearly three million Megaways going on.

It's a bit of an anti-climax to get a bonus round to its ultimate evolution and then get dicked off like that, compare and contrast with The Final Countdown and its x256 wild which basically guarantees a monster.

Anyway, I have a nice bankroll to play with so I'm currently selecting the next BTG slot to properly lump away at, £474.62p equates to 2372x bet at 20p spins, which should be enough to ride out an extended dead patch.....

Rasputin is the game by BTG that I hate on a scale beyond any other. 3m ways that lead you up the path and then roughly bend you over when you get into the undergrowth at the end of it. That's on top of the piss-awful music accompanying your journey to doom, on loop. I'd suggest Big Cats or Lil' Devil maybe next.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Rasputin is the game by BTG that I hate on a scale beyond any other. 3m ways that lead you up the path and then roughly bend you over when you get into the undergrowth at the end of it. That's on top of the piss-awful music accompanying your journey to doom, on loop. I'd suggest Big Cats or Lil' Devil maybe next.

I am perusing the catalogue of BTG games at VS to choose my next doomed misadventure.

I reviewed Lil' Devil on my old YT channel with three of them running at once, it did not end well I'm not in any particular mood to repeat that experience....

King Of Cats looks quite interesting, maybe I'll have a crack at that.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well that's £500 breached, all low-rolling at 20p/25p spins from a £150 deposit, and after the better part of 20 hours of solid play.

Once again I am unable to find any evidence whatsoever of slots being bent/gimped/rigged/compensated etc.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, overall you're going to lose your money slowly over time at a rate dictated by the house edge, but good extended sessions and solid wins are still entirely possible.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

So Spawny.

 

[Jono777]

Well that's £500 breached, all low-rolling at 20p/25p spins from a £150 deposit, and after the better part of 20 hours of solid play.

Once again I am unable to find any evidence whatsoever of slots being bent/gimped/rigged/compensated etc.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, overall you're going to lose your money slowly over time at a rate dictated by the house edge, but good extended sessions and solid wins are still entirely possible.

Sorry but this is not the case.

Lose QUICKLY and OFTEN is the new norm.

Extended sessions yes but a LOT rarer than a few years back.

No foil hats, hard, witnessed by many FACTS!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Sorry but this is not the case.

Lose QUICKLY and OFTEN is the new norm.

Extended sessions yes but a LOT rarer than a few years back.

No foil hats, hard, witnessed by many FACTS!

But never any stats!

This is partly why I do this session stats tracking stuff (wins and losses), I just can't even remotely replicate the alleged 'massively degraded' performance of online slots that a few folks insist has become commonplace.

EDIT - If you're playing the 94% versions of slots that used to be 96% then yeah, that'll definitely make itself felt over time, as that represents a 50% increase in the house edge.

 

[Jono777]

But never any stats!

This is partly why I do this session stats tracking stuff (wins and losses), I just can't even remotely replicate the alleged 'massively degraded' performance of online slots that a few folks insist has become commonplace.

EDIT - If you're playing the 94% versions of slots that used to be 96% then yeah, that'll definitely make itself felt over time, as that represents a 50% increase in the house edge.

I can give you some (very rough) stats, the motivation has been drained from me for keeping such figures as I used to do since the (none sinister maybe but certainly happened) change in game play, along with my (self chosen to do so) reduced budget and play frequency.

My basic 'tactic' (for want of a better word really) is to head for DoA, play for a good win or close call /wild line / 5 scatters and head for other games, a 'tactic' which worked well and if I didn't get to change game, the original deposit would keep me playing most of the time for hours rather than minutes.

Looking back when using this 'tactic' (and to be fair playing more, hence me saying rough figures) my hit rate was roughly 1 - 2 wild lines per month and 5 scatters once every 2-3 month's. Granted the wild lines were not always fantastic and maybe only in place for 2-3 spins but there were also some beauties in there too.

Changing game would also not hold my "big win" against me and allow a casual session to continue without getting rinsed quickly before calling it a day, cashing out and going to bed.

In the last 12 month's, I have hit 2 wild lines and not once 5 scatters. Changing game also acts as if I've won the lottery and destroys the remaining balance in next to no time.

Yes these are not stats as such but do indicate a massive change in what I (and many others) are witnessing these days.

Also, I admit there is no proof of anything particularly dodgy as such but my brain and eyes do not deceive me, I am seeing a change and not seeing patterns as I've seen others try to "explain it away" A huge drop in game time, more than 2% shaving more like 20%!

Don't wish anyone to lose money without getting their enjoyment but continue to play as a semi regular rate and you'll notice the sessions get worse and lucky days get few and far between.

I know the anti rigged brigade will not understand where I am coming from here, geez it is so hard to explain things via "text talk" sometimes lol but a session in 2024 is nothing like a session in 2018.

No one can prove anything has changed but in the same breath no one (and I mean no one) can prove that things have not changed.

*Forgive any typos or grammar, tired.com

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I can give you some (very rough) stats, the motivation has been drained from me for keeping such figures as I used to do since the (none sinister maybe but certainly happened) change in game play, along with my (self chosen to do so) reduced budget and play frequency.

My basic 'tactic' (for want of a better word really) is to head for DoA, play for a good win or close call /wild line / 5 scatters and head for other games, a 'tactic' which worked well and if I didn't get to change game, the original deposit would keep me playing most of the time for hours rather than minutes.

Looking back when using this 'tactic' (and to be fair playing more, hence me saying rough figures) my hit rate was roughly 1 - 2 wild lines per month and 5 scatters once every 2-3 month's. Granted the wild lines were not always fantastic and maybe only in place for 2-3 spins but there were also some beauties in there too.

Changing game would also not hold my "big win" against me and allow a casual session to continue without getting rinsed quickly before calling it a day, cashing out and going to bed.

In the last 12 month's, I have hit 2 wild lines and not once 5 scatters. Changing game also acts as if I've won the lottery and destroys the remaining balance in next to no time.

Yes these are not stats as such but do indicate a massive change in what I (and many others) are witnessing these days.

Also, I admit there is no proof of anything particularly dodgy as such but my brain and eyes do not deceive me, I am seeing a change and not seeing patterns as I've seen others try to "explain it away" A huge drop in game time, more than 2% shaving more like 20%!

Don't wish anyone to lose money without getting their enjoyment but continue to play as a semi regular rate and you'll notice the sessions get worse and lucky days get few and far between.

I know the anti rigged brigade will not understand where I am coming from here, geez it is so hard to explain things via "text talk" sometimes lol but a session in 2024 is nothing like a session in 2018.

No one can prove anything has changed but in the same breath no one (and I mean no one) can prove that things have not changed.

*Forgive any typos or grammar, tired.com

You play at VS don't you Jono? I recall you getting disconnected at the same time as me the other day when the site crashed

Why not just pull your stats from the My RTP section, the last 12 months on DoA, or whatever.

Don't fixate on the 2% drop from 96% to 94%, focus on the 50% increase in the house edge that it represents. You can't escape from the maths of online slots, think of the house edge as your average 'cost per spin' over time, so on a £1 spin, you're paying 6p per spin instead of 4p per spin, the 'compound interest' effect of that is huge.

There is absolutely no way I'd undertake these multi-thousand spin grindathons with BTG slots if they were on 94%.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

EDIT - Any excuse to dust this off, but the effects of changes in RTP once you get into the mid to high 90s is huge, massively more than the 'it's just 2%' or 'it's just 1%' side of things might suggest. That's how I managed to beat the 'unbeatable' 65xD+B bonus at Tropica back in the day, the bonus that everyone here at CM (the thread is still around somewhere) was telling me was just setting fire to money.

Turns out a low volatility slot with a 98% RTP if you can get good enough at the true skill bonus round, can do some really weird things to wagering.....

The same applies in the opposite direction when you switch from 96% to 94%.