Corrupt Online Gaming

[nisosbar]

Webcaz, you as a former IT department manager should be able to explain to me how an event described in this thread could possibly happen on truly random software.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/50-free-spins-at-aspinalls-0-nothing-nada.40523/

Yes, that is an interesting open question.

Another thing, I believe that new games coming out of RTG will be all set to 95% - and that's it - no changes allowed.

That's terrific - I would love that.

However, I do think that to be able to gamble online is totally irresponsible by all parties involved - the casino, the player and whoever else comes in to it... Online gambling should be banned outright. It's a sick hobby that doesn't need regulation, no - it needs to be stopped altogether.

Who are you to tell me that the $25 I have is better spent on greasy fish and chips and a couple pints than Goldbeard or video poker?

I used to smoke three packs of cigarettes every single day. I still would, probably - EXCEPT I QUIT. 20 years ago. I don't smoke anymore. Don't have any desire to have one. I have snuck one on occasion, but we're talking one single cigarette per one or two years since then.

 

[winbig]

Originally Posted by De Beuker
Webcaz, you as a former IT department manager should be able to explain to me how an event described in this thread could possibly happen on truly random software.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/50-free-spins-at-aspinalls-0-nothing-nada.40523/

Chaos Theory?

 

[LHofsdal]

Back to the topic at hand. I think I know what 4ofakind is getting at. In August, he forwarded me screenshots that show RTG's Goldbeard RTP being changed from 95% to 97.5%. What is unusual about these screenshots is that the operators who saw these told me they had no such permissions to do so (I think I mentioned this in another thread somewhere), in other words this was a different version of the RTG backend.

Today RTG has gotten back to me on this, and these screen shots are from the numero-uno administrators back end. This is what a casino owner would see. Now as discussed in previous threads about RTG RTP, the person with this access can only change the RTP with the full consent of RTG. This has been done here. What is a big deal is that some affiliate manger (who I believe was fired) had access to this and was acting the fool telling people he could make changes at a whim. He should have never been allowed that sort of access - and I believe that the casino Casino33 went down the tubes anyway.

But who is to say which casino this was - it was never identified on the screen shots.

4OAK started this topic, and I would be interested in what they have to say about this now. If this is infact what he was talking about, I can see he why he feels the way he does. When ever anyone has a problem on with an accredited casino they are told to contact the aff. rep first. Members here start to trust these reps, and look to them to "solve" all problems.

If this is infact what 4OAK was talking about, here you have a aff. manager lieing to players. How would most players know he was full of crap? I would not have known. Here he is telling people he change things when he wants to, and provides screen shots. I would have believed him.

The thing that I still do not get, is if 4OAK had these screen shots and that is what he is talking about why didn't he point that out. He didn't have to post the screen shots, just say he had the proof if anyone wanted to see it. At the time 4OAK sent the screen shots to you was Casino 33 accredited here? Has Casino33 ever been accredited here? I think if he had provided examples as to why he felt the way he does, this thread would not be "harsh", for lack of a better term.

If we as members and posters have to something to say and it is negative towards someone or some casino, say what you have to say but have proof, be willing to share that proof. But most of all be specific. Generalities just don't cut it.

Now the biggest question I have is, why the attack on Casinomeister? Does he feel that Casinomeister didn't do anything about this, or got a reply he does not think acceptable? I would really like to know.

As for 4OAK feeling like they are looked at as a "rebel", I never looked at them that way. I read their posts, they have made some valid points on many topics and when I felt they were just talking nonsense, I took it with a grain of salt and moved on. I wasn't going to start an arguement over it. But that is just me.

4OAK, if you are reading this thread, please join the discussion and give us the specifics, so we can better understand your point of view.

LH

 

[4 of a kind]

The screen shots I sent Bryan were some time ago and the non-response from Bryan was perhaps making me see conspiracies where there wasn't any. Since I have now deleted all screen shots I have nothing to show, and regardless it's just as Bryan says and would have only created wrongful accusations.

However I still am a firm believer that the issues of regulation and 3rd party auditing are still important and should be pursed endlessly by the players and advocates.

I also wouldn't mind if this entire thread be removed since it is misleading and only fueling conspiracy theory's.

 

[just play]

The screen shots I sent Bryan were some time ago and the non-response from Bryan was perhaps making me see conspiracies where there wasn't any. Since I have now deleted all screen shots I have nothing to show, and regardless it's just as Bryan says and would have only created wrongful accusations.

However I still am a firm believer that the issues of regulation and 3rd party auditing are still important and should be pursed endlessly by the players and advocates.

I also wouldn't mind if this entire thread be removed since it is misleading and only fueling conspiracy theory's.

After all this? This is by far the strangest post I have ever seen you post...almost like you didn't write it.

 

[Nifty29]

The screen shots I sent Bryan were some time ago and the non-response from Bryan was perhaps making me see conspiracies where there wasn't any. Since I have now deleted all screen shots I have nothing to show, and regardless it's just as Bryan says and would have only created wrongful accusations.

However I still am a firm believer that the issues of regulation and 3rd party auditing are still important and should be pursed endlessly by the players and advocates.

I also wouldn't mind if this entire thread be removed since it is misleading and only fueling conspiracy theory's.

Ummm....errrrr....what?

Your big revelation was something that many of us already knew about (back from the Casino33 threads a while back) and was known to Brian and the operators as well?

I can't help thinking that you made a big deal out of this just to get attention or to push your own "All casinos cheat" agenda. I mean, the main reason you gave for the existence of this 'conspiracy' is that Bryan didn't reply to your message? Was that really enough for you to think that he was 'in on it' along with the casino owners and the software providers? Did you even think of following up the matter with him, knowing how busy he is? Why do that though.....the inference you could make from receiving no reply fitted your theory rather well. Nobody 'made' you see conspiracies - you were looking for them.

If I were Bryan I would be offended that you even entertained the thought that he was somehow part of the corruption. In fact, I would be p*ssed.

One more thing....how did you plan to take advantage of that knowledge? Purchase your own casino and deliberately dupe players? Have your 'inside guy' change the RTP before you play and change it back after? I just don't see how you could profit from this, but I am open to suggestions.

How do you now explain that you think that casino aren't cheating, given you have been so passionately arguing for so long that they do?

The whole thread, it seems, has been based on a 'secret' that wasn't a secret. If you had just come out and said it in your OP then we could have avoided all the nastiness that has resulted. I just hope it wasn't your intention to be a great big troll and ignite some bitter arguments, as it is beginning to look more and more like it was.

 

[Casinomeister]

The screen shots I sent Bryan were some time ago and the non-response from Bryan was perhaps making me see conspiracies where there wasn't any...

Some time ago was in August...and I did respond, several times via PM. I have 11 PMs from you in August, I responded to 6 of these to include the last one. Check your in box. It was RTG that hadn't replied yet to me...and then in September/October I had pretty much been out of the loop.

Please note: RTG responded within a couple of hours yesterday when I resent the message to include screenshots.

I could see this as being damning if it was a win/lose switch that was found, but it wasn't. It was three screen shots of someone (an ex-employee) changing the RTP by 2.5% percent. This has been hashed out ad nauseum in the fora, and we've already been told by RTG that operators have this capability when they have RTG's permission. So what's the big deal?

It's a storm in a teacup, and I'm holding the teacup

 

[Pinababy69]

Wow, I was expecting so much more after all this.

Pretty positive the "rep" in question was CasinoJack....who not only worked for Casino33, but also for Playfair Casino. Anyone who followed those threads back then, should have been able to tell the guy was far from what a casino rep should be. He would make statements, then someone would come along and correct or question him...and he would apologize and retract what he had said.

He opened a whole can of worms by implying that RTG operators could change settings on the fly. This is one of the posts that got the whole thing going:

next time you do, Pm me you top 3 games you like and I will make sure they set to the highest setting...

He then went on to infer that ALL softwares and operators have the capability to change the settings on games:

Of course they can set things, but what does it really matter?

As some examples. Thought I do not work with an RTG site anymore, the games are NOT rigged!

ALL online and land based casino are able to set the game RTP %, and if anyone believes otherwise, well, You are incorrect. But again, I ask, so what? It is still fair games, and very fun!

Webzcas, who worked for Ladbrokes IT department for five years, challenged his above statement with this:

The part I highlight in bold, I actually disagree with you.

Having worked for a Microgaming Operator for 5 years, in the IT Department no less, responsible for looking after the casino and poker servers. I can confirm that no Microgaming Operator is able to set the payout %.

I doubt very much that this has changed since I left to become a full time affiliate.

Lo and behold....Casinojack then retracted his statement:

Then I stand corrected, as last time I was with a MG shop was over 7 years ago. Thanks for the info.

I am somewhat skeptical that this guy ever worked for any MG operator, seven years ago, or any other time. Dave (Webzcas) I know and trust....this guy....nah.

And then we have VWM's post where he said this Jack idiot pulled him aside in London....telling him of all the insider info he had. And I'm pretty sure I have a good idea where 4oaK got his info from.....and I'd bet my last dollar that Jack made a tidy sum for whatever he provided to that person. Sounds like a conman to me...which is what I always thought of him.

It appears the only thing he was definitely right about...was when he "blew the whistle" on his boss/bosses....telling people on the QT that Casino33/Playfair were in financial trouble, and about to go belly up. Not sure if he did this before he was fired (and that's why he was let go), or if it was after. I do remember that Bryan issued a warning to players in re: Casino33. Of course the manager/owner (think his name was Jonathan something) came on here telling people how it was all a pack of lies and it was business as usual at Casino33. Seeing as how they are no longer in existence, looks like Bryan's warning was valid after all.

I don't follow all the forums so much lately...but the last I saw of CasinoJack he was posting at a few affiliate forums offering SEO Blackhat tips. Sort of says it all right there. Not sure if the intention of that was to warn people/affiliates, or if he was maybe selling his knowledge of how to do it.

All the above being said however....VWM makes a valid point. We have always been told that any changes to RTP (of the three available settings), had to be requested from RTG and performed by them. Is that the case...or not? Can the operators (as they say the owner only) change the settings themselves? If so....that is wrong. And not much different than what happened with the Tradition/Rival thread. Individual operators should never be allowed access to RTP settings.

I am glad to hear that they will be implementing the 95%, static, settings for all games. At least we know what we will be getting. Much like MG does it...when a game is released, the RTP is set and not changed...neither up nor down.

I think this thread has proven one thing, and that is.....it is more important than ever that players are uber choosy when deciding which casino to play at. Promises of huge bonuses and the sun and moon, can't replace the confidence that you have in an established operator, who hopefully have smarts enough to not hire Casino Jack type employees. Stick with the tried and true.

Funeral made a comment I also agree with. For me personally, I don't really care if a slot is set at 91, 95 or 97.5%. It's not like that is the exact RTP you are going to get every time you play. You could have a session on a slot set at 97.5%, where you only get a 75% return. You could also have a session on a slot set at 91%, where your return is well over 100%. It's all in the timing. Those settings are a theoretical return over a huge number of spins. People sometimes forget that. They think if a slot is set at 97%, that's the exact return they should get each and every time they play.

I'm pretty much with Nifty on this...what a huge uproar over basically not much in re: this site and Bryan. Would like to know though, who exactly DOES have access to these settings at an operator level.

EDITED: Just saw Bryan's post above mine with this:

This has been hashed out ad nauseum in the fora, and we've already been told by RTG that operators have this capability when they have RTG's permission.

That sort of answers my question I guess, although this is not what was said/implied before from RTG. We were told that it was RTG who had to make the changes...unless I'm mistaken. I don't believe we were ever told that individual operators had this capability. Like VWM said...I can really see Virtual Casino's owner waiting for permission from RTG, before he changes whatever he likes, lol.

 

[3mptyseat]

...when DIRECT questions are posed to Reps or Casino managers, they are avoided or never answered directly....

The integrity of many casinos and sotware providers have been thoroughly soiled; BUT, they continue to operate and all is forgotten... It's a cut throat business and involves so much of money, some are willing to kill for it!

Nate

What service does CM provide and under what pretense? I am going to go ahead and answer this question I have posed... Let me buck the trend, and even though I am not a rep, I hope you will see my point. One need not read thousands of posts to discover that this forum has a mission statement,

"Trust is what it's all about. Our mission at Casinomeister is to provide solid information; information that enables players to make smart choices. Since trust is spawned by information, the more players know about online casinos, the more at ease and safer they will be."

Allow me to provide a pinch of background before I make my observations. I first came here looking for a mercenary to right a horrible wrong, and better yet; a platform to echo warnings of this injustice that surely others must be suffering as well... I never found the former, and I have decided against using CM for the latter. BC, you see, I found something much more valuable... A wealth of information was now at my fingertips, and through the myriad experiences others shared, I am now able to make desicions at a higher level regarding my affairs with online casinos.
Yes, I sometimes pine for the satisfaction of watching that mercenary destroy the un-earned reputation of the rogues that brutalized me, but I soon realized after reading (dozens, not thousands) of posts that much to the heart of the mission statement, CM is here as a forum for dialogue, information exchange, and in some part, CM acts as a register for casino accountability...

With that said, the implied responsibilities of this forum by the original author of this thread seam unrealistic and more importantly; never promised.
To assume that this forum could hold the authority of sheriff, the power of a court, and the integrity of an honest treasurer seem downright absurd to me.

And it seems obvious to me that ad space on CM is sold to bookmakers and casino operators expressly for ads. It does not take a founding member to realize that casinos have been accredited here only to mess the drinking water, lose their spot, and for some, return to accreditation... There is a transparency to that relationship... And to suggest that an advertisers accreditation is mutually exclusive to their purchase of ad space is illogical at best and without examples and evidence, foolish to the point of negligence at worst...

I know of many forums that will back the casinos who advertise with them and give the biggest kick back... Both in advertising volume, and with paragraph after paragraph of support or contradiction to whatever a user is accusing the casino of, these webmasters protest to the point of suspicion imo...But where do you see that happening here??? I am yet to find any empirical data suggesting this is one of those sites... (I am yet to find even a compelling theory actually, lolz)

And I think you know these truths, 4 of a Kind. After all, corruption thrives in an environ of silence and fear bc of the power that info sharing has... And here, even ur off-base posts are given equal space to legitimate debate! And can you gather why, 4 o' a kind? Let me assist... BC, this is an arena FOR opinion and counter opinion; however paranoid and sick ones thought process may be, if it falls within a guideline of decency while remaining on topic, it is allowed here.

That does not seem so corrupt to me...
I also note that you are still not banned... So I wager you have some button pressing left to do...

Alas, my button pressing is now complete.

Cheers!

 

[Nate]

What service does CM provide and under what pretense? I am going to go ahead and answer this question I have posed... Let me buck the trend, and even though I am not a rep, I hope you will see my point. One need not read thousands of posts to discover that this forum has a mission statement,

What are you on about? My statement above was based on plenty of Casinos being rogued, going broke and cheating software... Look in the ROGUE pit..

Have a look at the Rival and Topgame threads and you will see 'Soiled Reputations' .. You will also note that many of them Continue to operate. You make a huge post when all you want to say is that you believe CM is fair? You coulda told me that in one sentence.

You also note 4OAK is not Banned? Since when did a 17 post member become a moderator deciding on the fate of a seasoned poster...

Seriously dude... Are you OK?

 

[Casinomeister]

@ Nate
Maybe you read 3mptyseat's post wrong. It sits well with me.

 

[Nate]

@ Nate
Maybe you read 3mptyseat's post wrong. It sits well with me.

Maybe I did.. Its a mighty long post trying to tell me that he believes the Forum is fair... Which I do not doubt... Been here long enough to understand that.

So I still dont get his post...

 

[3mptyseat]

What are you on about? My statement above was based on plenty of Casinos being rogued, going broke and cheating software... Look in the ROGUE pit..

Have a look at the Rival and Topgame threads and you will see 'Soiled Reputations' .. You will also note that many of them Continue to operate. You make a huge post when all you want to say is that you believe CM is fair? You coulda told me that in one sentence.

You also note 4OAK is not Banned? Since when did a 17 post member become a moderator deciding on the fate of a seasoned poster...

Seriously dude... Are you OK?

I am better than okay. Tyvm for asking... I was using a portion of ur post as a lead in on my critique of the validity of the OP. Maybe reread it or forget it, either way, I am not active, 17 posts indeed, and I doubt I will post again with rantish attacks like urs...
My point was this, and I left it bc I thought I had some original insight to share as to why the OP is off base even if most of his theories about certain casinos are valid: (And this speaks to why ur quote was used as well) When we post a question to a casino rep, and it goes unanswered, one can gather a lot of information from that. Now, fill in the specifics of the question, and the lack of a response might say even more.
So it goes with complaint threads that then gather a list of echoes from the forum...
The OP supposed that CM as a vendor of ad space is therefore 'corrupt' because he accredits casinos that likewise write him checks, and that claim might be valid if he were the governor of all casinos and in charge of regulating them and in turn, stamping them for approved consumption by the masses... But as reality stands, CM is a forum for information sharing. CM is a place where all the 'facts' and opinions come together not so a casino gets a gold star and then everybody deposits there and trusts them, but rather, so that the educated punter can become further educated and make the best possible choices with his or her gambling money in lieu of a supreme casino ruler with untouched integrity.
Sorry for any confusion and inference that I was attacking ur quote. It was poor form on my part...

 

[Mavin1]

Despite the rollercoaster ride this thread has been, one of things I have noticed which is much to Bryans credit, is he knows how to deal with all types of posters and subjects in a mature and considerate manner.

This above all is what sets a forum apart from others, it's how the members are treated and Bryan and the Moderators do this very well.

Even with a subject as volatile as this one has been, their personal emotions have been kept under check keeping the balance in the discussion.

I know you have a very difficult task much of the time dealing with all the issues we players bring here and sometimes we may bring something that is way out there or something minimal, but you have shown great restraint many times over and it has not gone unnoticed.

So all I can say is keep up the good work and if we don't say it often enough, thank you, for being the place were we have a voice, no matter how it comes out.

re Pinas post, . We will still have grey areas and questions, but Pina sums it up very well, so thank you for that too.

 

[Nate]

Sorry for any confusion and inference that I was attacking ur quote. It was poor form on my part...

No issues Bud... I am a very placid person and won't attack or rant at people unless I am dragged in for no particular reason. I see the logic behind why you left the quote in, and sometimes people can perceive it to be something else.

It is common practice for posters to attack others here for their personal pleasure. So i apologise if I did offend you. Mavin1 just about summed it up. Bryan has managed to maintain a sense of calm through all the heated debate.

Peace!

Nate

 

[Nate]

After all this? This is by far the strangest post I have ever seen you post...almost like you didn't write it.

I have been going over thread again. Missed this post by you... I have to agree, it is quite strange and a 180 degree turn from his last statement... Im curious to know (and im sure amny other forum members are) what the issue is here...

Some time ago was in August...and I did respond, several times via PM. I have 11 PMs from you in August, I responded to 6 of these to include the last one. Check your in box. It was RTG that hadn't replied yet to me...and then in September/October I had pretty much been out of the loop.

Please note: RTG responded within a couple of hours yesterday when I resent the message to include screenshots.

I could see this as being damning if it was a win/lose switch that was found, but it wasn't. It was three screen shots of someone (an ex-employee) changing the RTP by 2.5% percent. This has been hashed out ad nauseum in the fora, and we've already been told by RTG that operators have this capability when they have RTG's permission. So what's the big deal?

It's a storm in a teacup, and I'm holding the teacup

According to 4OAK, he deleted the screenshots. If this is not really all it's being made up to, it would make sense if you posted these for the forum to settle our curiosity. I'm sure that they are harmless according to your statement above.

Nate

 

[Casinomeister]

...According to 4OAK, he deleted the screenshots. If this is not really all it's being made up to, it would make sense if you posted these for the forum to settle our curiosity. I'm sure that they are harmless according to your statement above...

Actually, one of the screenshots was posted by casinojack sometime last year in the thread where he was boasting on how he could make the changes. RTG asked for this screenshot to be removed which I complied. They are at loath to have the backend of their software available for public viewing, which in my opinion is understandable. That guy never should have had access to the admin backend to begin with.

 

[just play]

I have been going over thread again. Missed this post by you... I have to agree, it is quite strange and a 180 degree turn from his last statement... Im curious to know (and im sure amny other forum members are) what the issue is here.

Nate

His last post has the feeling of someone writing their last letter, directed by the murderer who is going to shoot them.

It just didn't sit right with me.

 

[Nifty29]

His last post has the feeling of someone writing their last letter, directed by the murderer who is going to shoot them.

It just didn't sit right with me.

I actually didnt think of it like that. Interesting now that I have.

In reality, however, it is common knowledge and really is no big deal. Some casino owner gave their affy manager access to the backend when this is clearly not allowed. Remember, the only changes they could make are between 3 different settings anyway and nobody playing would notice a few % change in RTP.

I just don't see why anyone would want to give 4OAK a hiding (about this issue anyway ), considering the casino and employee in question have both drifted away like a fart in the breeze.

Now that you have planted this tiny seed of doubt, it would be nice to hear from 4OAK again.....

 

[X-Raided]

Well people must to eat to survive.

Plus gambling problems can lead to suicide or killing people. A few years ago we had a case in Finland when a father killed his wife and two children because of gambling addiction. Huge debts and shame lead to that.

Some peoples brains work differently hence why some become addicted to gambling almost instantly and some over time. The choice one have is of course never to play for starters.

Edit: gambling has existed like forever but video slots which are by far the most addictive has only been around since the 90s.

2nd edit: a bit OT, could make up for an interesting discussion how to decrease or/and limit problem gambling.

Damn... Your post makes me ponder...

 

[taysh075]

His last post has the feeling of someone writing their last letter, directed by the murderer who is going to shoot them.

It just didn't sit right with me.

I agree Just Play that last post just didn't sound like him at all.

 

[skiny]

Online gambling may be corrupt, it may not. But you can say this for a lot of things in life, especially in gambling - horse racing, greyhounds etc etc.

However, I do think that to be able to gamble online is totally irresponsible by all parties involved - the casino, the player and whoever else comes in to it.

With these outrageous betting limits on slots (now up to about £500 a spin in some places, possibly more) and also with roulette and blackjack (betting £1,000s per hands/spin) it's a sure road to disaster.

It's absolutely disgusting to think that you can sign in to a website, enter your debit/credit details and spend your life savings in a matter of a few hours or even, minutes.

Stop now. Let's go back to our parents era, or grandparents. A night out at the casino was fun in those days. Not anymore and especially not online.

The only way to beat the casinos is by NOT PLAYING at the casinos.

Online gambling should be banned outright. It's a sick hobby that doesn't need regulation, no - it needs to be stopped altogether.

Well, since we're eliminating online gambling because it can lead to ruined lives, suicide and murder I think we should clean up the rest of the planet of pesky vices that have similar potential.

Alcohol is the most obvious. Alcoholism can be directly blamed for millions of deaths and prohibition is really the only logical answer.

And of course another one of the most prevalent would be eating. Obesity has caused the death of millions. We can't actually stop people from eating all together for obvious reasons but maybe we can ban everything unhealthy and limit everyone's intake somehow. Even more efficient - we can ban the sale of food privately all together and have everyone gather to eat at lettuce and carrot juice bars a few times a day.

And of course there is sex. True sex addictions are not quite as common but sex has been the cause of death and ruin many times. I have personally never killed anyone with sex although I might have killed their appetite for it. This might be a little harder to ban without chastity belts and artificial insemination for procreation but it wouldn’t be impossible. A sex ban would probably lead to masturbation addictions though so some people might require straight jackets. I personally know more than one person who could probably use one anyway.

Now without booze, food and sex, depression will be a likely result for many but we can’t actually medicate anyone because antidepressants tend to be addictive… You know what? Maybe it would just be easier to let people spin a few slots when they’re bored and try to help the few that have a problem with moderation.

 

[Nate]

Actually, one of the screenshots was posted by casinojack sometime last year in the thread where he was boasting on how he could make the changes. RTG asked for this screenshot to be removed which I complied. They are at loath to have the backend of their software available for public viewing, which in my opinion is understandable. That guy never should have had access to the admin backend to begin with.

Thanks Bryan...

I have just one question, are you POSITIVE that the issue with 4OAK has to do with Casino33 and Casinojack whatsoever? Not to sound full of it but, If this is the case, could you kindly post something that proves that this Casino/Member is in fact the same issue?

Nate

 

[chayton]

I have personally never killed anyone with sex although I might have killed their appetite for it.

Didn't we used to date? hahahhaha....that's some funny sh*t skiny...

 

[Kenny Lingus]

Remember, the only changes they could make are between 3 different settings anyway and nobody playing would notice a few % change in RTP.

Really? Are you 100% absolutely positively sure of the contents of this statement?

This is the kind of assertion that many in this forum put forth in their posts, taken by many forum participants as fact. This statement is heresay at worst, and a semi-educated opinion at best. Even if this appears to be true to someone who knows the back end of a RTG casino operation, these settings might just be there for show. Who is to say there is not another, less known way to alter the software into paying out less? Certainly, if this option was available to the casino owner, it would behoove those involved to keep this "feature" of the software extemely quiet.

To repeat myself from earlir in this thread: I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO OFFER IRREFUTABLE PROOF THAT ONLINE GAMBLING, OR ANY SMALLER DEFINED SECTOR THEREOF, IS NOT MANIPULATED (above normal house advantage) FOR THE HOUSE'S GAIN IN SOMEWAY. Not your opinion mind you, or even a preponderance of evidence, but absolute proof.

There are many online casino apologists here......Any takers?

RTG asked for this screenshot to be removed which I complied. They are at loath to have the backend of their software available for public viewing, which in my opinion is understandable.

Bryan, I think your integrity is unquestionable, but I also think that some of the positions that you take are influenced by where you must stand on isssues to be taken seriously by the casinos themselves. With all due respect, I think that your stance here on this item is influenced as such.

I ask you, why is it important for RTG to keep the public in the dark about the workings of their software? My guess is that the less we know, the less chance anyone has of spotting an inconsistency.

A B&M casino cannot keep part of their operation "hidden" from gaming officials. It must be open for inspection at any moment, with the authorities acting in the public's interest to make sure all is above board.

Online casinos live in the virtual world, where their gaming operations do not exist in the tangible world, only in programmer's code. Unless you are an expert programmer with unfettered access to the entire code over time, particularily without prior notice necessary to gain access, one cannot be absolutely sure how that virtual world is being manipulated within that code. Checking the aggregate results, after the fact, which is how outfits like PwC operate, will not detect a well-camoflaged manipualation of the software.

Caveat Emptor!