Corrupt Online Gaming

[jod5413]

Hey Babe, you can dispute my posts any time you want!

 

[skiny]

I mean c'mon, what they do for us they do at no charge to us...

As far as the whole online gaming industry being corrupt, I have to disagree. As with everything else in life, you have the good with the bad. Hence the Accredited and Rogue lists. Again, that takes time to create, keep updated and Casinomeister does this service for us at no charge.

A website, as with many things doesn't have to directly charge us to make money off us. I believe that Bryan and the rest of the gang here believe in what they are doing but make no mistake, this isn't all just out of the goodness of their hearts. This website provides certain services to players in need and it may be true that it is not necessary for them to do it but these services are a big part of what attracts players to this website and gives players the confidence to click it's links. Without a strong track record of conducting honest investigations and advocating for players who have been wronged those links would be just another shot in the dark hoping to find an honest casino and would see a lot less traffic, I would imagine.

Does Casinomeister always make the right decision? Maybe, or maybe not. But I can honestly say that in my opinion they are fair. Max and/or Bryan have the ability to see things we as members can not see, so who are we to question their decisions? They make make decisions we all do not agree on, but we almost always do not have the whole story. They do. I don't think they make their decsions based on the amount of advertising money the site collects. I do believe however, they are fair.

We are the people spending all the money. Repsect and appreciation doesn't require blind faith. If I disagree with something I will question it and you should too.

Hey Babe, you can dispute my posts any time you want!

I disagree!

 

[StaceyLee]

An Assurance of Quality Control is what would make me comfortable in this industry. As we know Quality Control ensures that, for example, a double-adaptor has been manufactured according to strict safety measures, therefore you can confidently plug it into your power point feeling safe that it will not cause a short and burn your house down. Inferior products are always made and are available to purchase. And although they probably shouldn't be allowed into the consumer market, they always get in! We have had media attention reminding people to look for stamps of approval on products that have been made under quality control safety guidelines as inevitably people opt for the cheaper, inferior product and have sadly had to watch their homes burn to the ground. My point being that Quality Control provides the consumer with an informed choice.

From what I can ascertain from the information I find here, there are auditing practices in place, but these applications may have flaws and be provided as a false smoke screen of security. The key word here being "may" - so how does one know. One cannot be blamed for suspicion as it cannot be denied that we live in a world of corruption. So I do still look for some sense of Quality Control. I find it here! Albeit not always foolproof, but it is far better than blindly participating in an industry that is fraught with speculation by its own nature.

Who knows, in time maybe there eventually will be a system of Quality Control within this industry that is structured by the consumers to provide guaranteed assurance of the quality of the product that we use. I think that by continually questioning, challenging and watchdogging this issue we are forever moving one step closer to a probable solution.

I do sympathize with all long-term members, as it must get a little frustrating having to re-hash what sometimes appears "same ol', same lo'". But for newbies like myself it is still important that these topics are addressed, for even if the current thread reflects similar material to one of a year ago, at least it lets us know what, if any, developments have transpired along the way that we might have missed out on.

These threads have great topics and contain many valuable, intelligent contributions - from both sides of the fence. So thanks to all, your contributions are always greatly appreciated.

Cheers
StaceyLee

 

[X-Raided]

Where's my boy NASHVEGAS when you need him?

I'd love to hear his input on this thread.

 

[Mavin1]

Oh for Heaven's sake, 4oak. Get a life. To come here and do nothing but bad mouth this site with your ridiculous and ignorant comments is truly disgusting. Rebel? Ha ha ha, that's rich!

Maybe you are going through a mid life crisis and need to disrespect Casinomeister to prove you are still a force to be reckoned with?

I would assume if we are all messed up and this site is problematic for you, you will be ending your membership here? Maybe you and your good buddies (Robwin and/or Scuter and/or ??) can put together a truly "good and honest" forum for folks like you?

StaceyLee, you are a newbie and as such it is easy for some members here to steer you wrong. Please do your research here and elsewhere before you actually commit to one train of thought.

Well, it may seem to be uncalled for but.....I have a bad habit of riding the a$$ of folks that are at best deluded and at worst, simply empty headed. Although there are very few people here that don't know I am a bit mouthy. But...They also know that I do not say anything I can not prove. In fact, a lot of people I go off on can not dispute my posts so they just smart mouth about my posts. What'cha gonna do, huh?

What'cha think of that, Nate and 4oak?

Hey Babe, you can dispute my posts any time you want!

I am just about sick of your antagonistic attitude when someone posts something you don't agree with. Instead of giving a mature debate and point out why you truly think things are different than what the OP stated, you start with the attacks, ridicule, insults and childish nonsense.

You cause some members to flame and then laugh about it when they are reprimanded, you to should be reprimanded for inciting such emotions in other posters, but you never are. You are kudo'd by the few that pump you up where you then become even more of a smart ass than before.

I guess you need these ego pumps to get through your day and here in just this one thread you are being your usual mean snotty self towards not only Carl, but also Robwin, Nate and others.

One time I had publicly apologized to you in the thread I had started about Censorship and you weren't even gracious enough to accept it. Same thing with Nifty, both of you love to jump on posters that aren't politically correct, but ignore it if the same posters humbles themselves to you.

Your avitar fits you extremely well as it is antagonistic just as you truly are and I'm sure at the end of the day, you must feel really good about yourself having finally had the opportunity to once again make someone else look stupider than you.

You remind me of the old movie, Lord Of The Flies.

 

[Nate]

Well, it may seem to be uncalled for but.....I have a bad habit of riding the a$$ of folks that are at best deluded and at worst, simply empty headed. Although there are very few people here that don't know I am a bit mouthy. But...They also know that I do not say anything I can not prove. In fact, a lot of people I go off on can not dispute my posts so they just smart mouth about my posts. What'cha gonna do, huh?

What'cha think of that, Nate and 4oak?

- i didn't see I was being dragged into this...

If you read my post, my post was NOT directed at CM or its affiliation with online Casinos. I simply put forward the question: If third party audits are taking place, then are the audits taking place on site or from an office in another country?

Casino's provide the data to a third party for the audit. Does the Auditor come on site and does he/she have free unrestricted access to the data? Maybe someone from the Online industry would care to elaborate on that or
Maybe You jod5413 can prove this, since your whole day consists of being nasty and sitting on a forum and poking fun at others...

Your life must be real sad if you have nothing better to do then sit and wait like a vulture on the forum to attack other posters... Truly, You are deluded!

 

[maxd]

I recommend a collective chill pill be taken here before this gets out of hand and ends up being padlocked.

 

[Nifty29]

WHOA!

Hold on a minute Mavin. I haven't even SAID anything in this thread.

What the hell is your problem?

I don't recall any time that you have 'apologised' and I have subsequently taken aim or ignored you.

You know, you sure are being snarky for someone who calls people out for being snarky....

4OAK is fully entitled to his opinion and you are fully entitled to agree with it.......just as I am fully entitled to consider it a load of bollocks.

BTW I thought you had quit gambling?

 

[StaceyLee]

RRRREEEEOOOOOWWWWW this is getting better than "Days of Our Lives. Looovvvee the distraction guys and it would be oh so much fun to take you down the local pub, buy you a beer, mention on-line casino forum and WOOOMPHAH! - sit back and enjoy the show. The electrical chemistry would be spectacular, (especially after the next three beers). But I better stop there before my imaginative imagination starts conjuring further images of what the chemistry would be like if some of you were put in another room

Forever a mediator by nature though, how about givin each other a big kiss and make-up ........okay, or not

Seriously, you are all equally credible and respected by many, but if it's gonna be - fair bump, play on - don't forget to heed Maxd's intervention.........and like sand through..........the rest of us will stay tuned for the next exciting instalment.

Cheers
StaceyLee

 

[ksech]

Phew, lots of reading in this thread...
Just an observation...
Every few months it appears "groups" go on a binge of attacking each other. In my opinion, this site has lost many informative posters due to childish name calling and finger pointing. I've always considered this site one of the best places a gambler can go to, to read about others experiences (whether good OR bad) and to share on opinions of different aspects of the online gambling world.

There is no law which states you HAVE to agree with everything being said. There is no law stating you have to come here daily and participate. Reading something can be taken in different contexts, as you cannot hear the inflection in a posters voice (or hear their thoughts as they type out a post) as to how they wish to be acknowledged.

This thread has gone from a personal opinion, to name calling and finger pointing. I thought we were all adults here(?). The original topic is being lost through personalized flaming.

Since I never played poker (and it's probably a good thing since the dynamics of the game are totally lost on me), I find it interesting to read the many different opinions on play. Whether it be slots, roulette, or poker, I think the industry is slightly skewed.

When I was playing I was a small time player. I didn't have the funds to bankroll $1000's a day/week/month. From a low roller's point of view (and this is just MY opinion), I found the industry to have greatly changed after the UIGEA. It didn't matter which platform I played, the dry spells seemed to be long and the final rewards didn't come anywhere near what my "donations" had been. I wasn't expecting to win EVERY time I played, but even a small win now and then was like winning the lottery. Yes, I do understand the term GAMBLING. And yes, I understand these online casinos are businesses, out to make money (what business isn"t?).

But, it would seem to my simple, sensibilities...Better to allow a player a win after every 5th or 6th deposit to keep them coming back. The sad fact was, even decent line wins were inconceivable. When you can make 100-200 spins on a game, with a less than betsize line win every 7 or 8 spins, what makes a player want to keep playing? It becomes tedious and frustrating.

Do you go after the "next one is the one" fantasy? These online casinos have the US players by the throat and they know it. Without the competition of decent places to play, they know the "addicts" will keep coming back. Did you find, pre-UIGEA, you were luckier? Games were looser? Options of casino choices greater?

I personally, and this is just my opinion again, don't think things in the online world will change unless the laws which govern the casinos change. We will continue to see a rise in online casinos, making outlandish SUBs to draw in players. Whether or not they will survive is totally up to the players.

You DO have a choice...You can continue to play where you are allowed to, or you can choose NOT to keep donating to casinos whom you deem unfair/baised/ or whatever. No one is pointing a gun to your head FORCING you to make that deposit. Let your money talk, if you find a casino you think is "rogue", STOP playing there.

Debate is great, and as ADULTS, we should be thankful for this place. As far as the mudslinging is concerned...Grow up!

 

[Casinomeister]

Okay, I'll finally chime in so that we can focus on the OP's opening post and hopefully we won't get distracted by the extra stuff

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I’ve seen in to many cases biased, misleading, banning members, and in some cases blatantly corrupt behavior take place one to many times. We’ve all seen in just about every serious issue casino reps., advocates, affiliates, constantly refusing to enter threatening threads. Extremely serious issues and accusations never finding a conclusion, just eventually being swept under the carpet and fade away. Many experienced players like me trying to point out issues that may not be obvious to others in an effort to help, only to find themselves being attacked from the die hard faithful. (Always the same little group of fans) In many cases these same people actually trying to help others will eventually end up banned. If the casinos were challenged the same way experienced players trying to help were, maybe this cesspool business would have a chance to correct itself and become fun again.

The sad truth is that regardless what anyone person can prove, the casinos will never change without serious regulation. I’m familiar with an issue where a person’s life has been threatened if he came forward. Why should he be willing to take that chance? Even if he came forward it would only obviously have a serious impact for a short period of time, until they re-brand, re-sell, or whatever, which we already have seen many times already in the past.

Online gaming has become the new definition for corrupt, regardless what one may be foolish enough to believe.

You'll need to be specific if you are trying to make a point here. Making sweeping comments doesn't do anyone a bit of good, unless of course you are venting. But since you are questioning my integrity, then you need to be specific.

You mention banning of members. The moderators and I are extremely tolerant when it comes to dishing out vacations or permanent 86s - the bottom line is we have guidelines on banishments; it's all spelled out here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forum-faq/forum-policies/

No one gets banned for an opinion - it's how they present their opinions that gets them banned . And we adhere to a "three strikes yer out" policy. We are all members here - casino reps to be included. It's not us versus them - it's all us.

You mention that casino reps don't enter threatening threads? Who wants to enter a "threatening thread"? No thread should be threatening - they should be provocative or inquisitive - not threatening. Please remember casino reps do this stuff on their own time, and many don't get involved because either they are unaware, or they don't want to mis-speak. You need to be a bit understanding about all of this. The bottom line is that nothing is swept under the carpet. If you are going to make these kind of accusations, then be prepared to point out specifically where something has been purposely "covered up." I don't take this lightly.

It has been mentioned in this thread a number of times that there is corruption in nearly all types of business endeavors. This industry is no different than a number of them (think construction contracting, politics, and pharmaceuticals ). Corruption is no stranger to the online gaming community.

But that said, there are many, many good upstanding entities that far outnumber the bad. Ladbrokes, 32red, Betfred, etc., etc., etc. These are genuinely regulated and have extremely high profiles. I do not consider these companies nor their brethren to be corrupt. You are looking at the half empty glass when you throw these accusations around.

Back to Casinomeister. It's not all about me and what I think. I am an advocate of fair play - and I am the chief webmaster. It's the membership HERE that is the "watchdog" - not me alone. As mentioned, this is and always has been an information site. I and you (we) provide this information; it is up to the visitor/reader to make their own decisions based on what they see.

I've run this site for over twelve years, and I think I have found the balance between advocacy and promotion. I have never been motivated by money -people who know me personally know this - I'm motivated by interacting with people and providing a useful tool that members value. That's it.

So it's up to you; take it or leave it.

 

[felicie]

I recommend a collective chill pill be taken here before this gets out of hand and ends up being padlocked.

Ah shucks maxd, someones gotta stick up for us "folks that are at best deluded and at worst, simply empty headed"

 

[blacklabrador]

I am just about sick of your antagonistic attitude when someone posts something you don't agree with. Instead of giving a mature debate and point out why you truly think things are different than what the OP stated, you start with the attacks, ridicule, insults and childish nonsense.

You cause some members to flame and then laugh about it when they are reprimanded, you to should be reprimanded for inciting such emotions in other posters, but you never are. You are kudo'd by the few that pump you up where you then become even more of a smart ass than before.

I guess you need these ego pumps to get through your day and here in just this one thread you are being your usual mean snotty self towards not only Carl, but also Robwin, Nate and others.

One time I had publicly apologized to you in the thread I had started about Censorship and you weren't even gracious enough to accept it. Same thing with Nifty, both of you love to jump on posters that aren't politically correct, but ignore it if the same posters humbles themselves to you.

Your avitar fits you extremely well as it is antagonistic just as you truly are and I'm sure at the end of the day, you must feel really good about yourself having finally had the opportunity to once again make someone else look stupider than you.

You remind me of the old movie, Lord Of The Flies.

Spot on Mav. Last time I was questioning the fairness of slots on 3dice casino, Jod came at me with a barrage of insults, name calling and making sure that I was aware I am fairly new on this site calling me a newbie. She certainly has some issues that she should deal with in real life before posting on a message board. If she stepped out of cyberworld for a second and re-read what she posts to people, she would realize that if she said what she did to another woman in person, she would get punched right in face without a doubt. How far fetched is it to picture a cranky old woman sitting on her computer getting lit up on a casino, then logging onto casinomeister right after only to take her anger out on other gamblers. Sounds about right.

Since when does being new on a message board not qualify one to express their opinions on a certain matter? How in the hell does she know my backround or anyone elses for that matter. If this was my board, people like her would no longer be members, she brings nothing to the table and in fact probably has run off a few members that simply don't want to hear her nonsense. Enough about that nutjob, I'll just leave it at that and its appearant she has been this way since day one judging from all the other posters

 

[blacklabrador]

Okay, I'll finally chime in so that we can focus on the OP's opening post and hopefully we won't get distracted by the extra stuff




You'll need to be specific if you are trying to make a point here. Making sweeping comments doesn't do anyone a bit of good, unless of course you are venting. But since you are questioning my integrity, then you need to be specific.

You mention banning of members. The moderators and I are extremely tolerant when it comes to dishing out vacations or permanent 86s - the bottom line is we have guidelines on banishments; it's all spelled out here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forum-faq/forum-policies/

No one gets banned for an opinion - it's how they present their opeinions that gets them banned . And we adhere to a "three strikes yer out" policy. We are all members here - casino reps to be included. It's not us versus them - it's all us.

You mention that casino reps don't enter threatening threads? Who wants to enter a "threatening thread"? No thread should be threatening - they should be provocative or inquisitive - not threatening. Please remember casino reps do this stuff on their own time, and many don't get involved because either they are unaware, or they don't want to mis-speak. You need to be a bit understanding about all of this. The bottom line is that nothing is swept under the carpet. If you are going to make these kind of accusations, then be prepared to point out specifically where something has been purposely "covered up." I don't take this lightly.

It has been mentioned in this thread a number of times that there is corruption in nearly all types of business endeavors. This industry is no different than a number of them (think construction contracting, politics, and pharmaceuticals ). Corruption is no stranger to the online gaming community.

But that said, there are many, many good upstanding entities that far outnumber the bad. Ladbrokes, 32red, Betfred, etc., etc., etc. These are genuinely regulated and have extremely high profiles. I do not consider these companies nor their brethren to be corrupt. You are looking at the half empty glass when you throw these accusations around.

Back to Casinomeister. It's not all about me and what I think. I am an advocate of fair play - and I am the chief webmaster. It's the membership HERE that is the "watchdog" - not me alone. As mentioned, this is and always has been an information site. I and you (we) provide this information; it is up to the visitor/reader to make their own decisions based on what they see.

I've run this site for over twelve years, and I think I have found the balance between advocacy and promotion. I have never been motivated by money -people who know me personally know this - I'm motivated by interacting with people and providing a useful tool that members value. That's it.

So it's up to you; take it or leave it.

All one has to do is watch your videos and it is clear you are not motivated by money, you seem like a truly genuine nice guy that enjoys what he does thoroughly.

 

[StaceyLee]

I have to say "Well said" CM. I think to take a positive from all of this, (as of course the negatives of regulation will endure), this thread provided an opportunity for you to get up front and personal with members.

I sympathize for you, as your professional experience, advocacy and internal knowledge of the industry far outweighs many of us that are only skimming the surface. And for you to have to go back into the kindy playground must surely be taxing on your time or inclination. But I would like to thank you for your exposure in this thread as it humanizes you to me - bit like the big boss taking a wander through the pit every so often. Always makes the workers feel warm, fuzzy and important.

Thanks and keep up the good work!
Cheers
StaceyLee

 

[mattsgame]

I think for me I can sum up my feelings on this topic in 1 word TRUST/FAITH (ok maybe 2 word)

Without any trust or faith in people where would we be?

We have to trust webmasters to be honest, If we didn't I doubt any of us would be here contributing?

We have to trust Casinos to do the right thing or we would not be playing there?

We have to trust the audits.

We have to trust E-Wallets to be safe and secure.

If you don't have any trust or faith in these people why are you here? why do you play online? why do you use e-wallets?

Also if Online gaming was Regulated we would have to trust the regulators,who's to say they would not be corrupt.

I completely do not agree with Casinomeisters conflict of interest.

If there was a conflict of interest I think most people here would see right threw it and these forums would not exist.The posters here are quite intelligent!

Anyways I think I'am just blabbing, but these are my thoughts on the issues raised.

Cheers
Matt

 

[asianeyes]

I am just about sick of your antagonistic attitude when someone posts something you don't agree with. Instead of giving a mature debate and point out why you truly think things are different than what the OP stated, you start with the attacks, ridicule, insults and childish nonsense.

You cause some members to flame and then laugh about it when they are reprimanded, you to should be reprimanded for inciting such emotions in other posters, but you never are. You are kudo'd by the few that pump you up where you then become even more of a smart ass than before.

I guess you need these ego pumps to get through your day and here in just this one thread you are being your usual mean snotty self towards not only Carl, but also Robwin, Nate and others.

One time I had publicly apologized to you in the thread I had started about Censorship and you weren't even gracious enough to accept it. Same thing with Nifty, both of you love to jump on posters that aren't politically correct, but ignore it if the same posters humbles themselves to you.



Your avitar fits you extremely well as it is antagonistic just as you truly are and I'm sure at the end of the day, you must feel really good about yourself having finally had the opportunity to once again make someone else look stupider than you.

You remind me of the old movie, Lord Of The Flies.

You're right, Mavin. She sounds and expresses like a young child.

P.S. and the avitar is befitting!

 

[RedAndi]

Phew, lots of reading in this thread...
Just an observation...
Every few months it appears "groups" go on a binge of attacking each other. In my opinion, this site has lost many informative posters due to childish name calling and finger pointing. I've always considered this site one of the best places a gambler can go to, to read about others experiences (whether good OR bad) and to share on opinions of different aspects of the online gambling world.

I agree with you on this Ksech

 

[Mavin1]

I would just like to express now that I have gotten my vent off my chest why I feel 4ofaKind deserves a little more consideration. In the time he has been here he became well respected and contributed some great postings, earning him 3 nominations in this short period. That in itself says a lot about a poster.

But somewhere something has gone astray and his view has differed from what it was originally. None of us know why, but is it so hard to be kind, patient and understand with a poster that deserves a little more consideration than the typical trouble maker? Doesn't matter if it were him, Robwin or whom ever, they have earned the patience they should have been shown.

I respect that Bryan has come on here and stated how things are from his side and he has done this without insulting the OP or making the OP feel like an imbecile. He has handled the OP's post with mature respect and this is how members should treat one another.

Nifty it's been some time that I had apologized to you in a thread, but I will always remember that you hadn't thanked it as acknowledgement, maybe you didn't come back to the thread, I don't know. So once again, here today I will apologize to you yet again. Because even though you can be very stubborn with your opinions against many of us, I respect you and appreciate your offerings. You may have totally dissagreed with myself and others many times, but you have never once made me feel ashamed for venting my views.

Every member here is a unique individual with many different ways of seeing and expressing things and if they have not just gone off the deep end from the get go, then at least give them a little better treatment and consideration they deserve.

Edit: Winbig, please remove the nomination from my post, although I appreciate you making a show of standing with me, it is not a reason for a nomination. This as has been discussed before is an FU nomination and we don't want to be unfair to posts that deserve being honored.

 

[Nate]

Hi Mavin1,

In the words of Shaggy... "It Wasn't Me'

Anyways, I see the logic in that you would like the nomination removed.

I totally agree with your post and I do not believe for one moment that 4OAK has made any of this up. It would be entirely up to the OP to justify his comments should he deem it necessary. No one will know the circumstances surrounding his original post and the reasons thereof.

I would however like to state that I for one, do not doubt his integrity and do not believe he would have made the statement unless he stumbled across something that he should not have.

Nate

 

[Mavin1]

Sorry Nate, my mistake, that would be Winbig. The memory goes fast from one page to the next.

 

[Luckylizzy]

I appreciate Casinomeister's efforts to keep players safe from the corrupt online casinos in this industry. Of course no one is perfect and we cannot expect them to be. Regulation of online gambling is slowly trickling through the world and will definitely take some. I look forward to when it happens.

 

[blacklabrador]

Back to the subject at hand now that everyone expressed opinions on a certain poster...... I cleaned house this morning on my home PC. I have 2 casinos left standing, Riverbelle, and for god knows what reason, 3dice. They arent even close in fairness on payouts but I decided to give them another chance. They are on this ice though once again after depositing the last few times and once again, no decent wins.

- Club World = GONE, see ya, nice knowing you. What a refreshing change it was so play about 8 months ago for the 1st time on a RTG site after only MG sites. I would have some nice playback, a withdraw or 2 a week, and nice customer support and prompt payouts. 3 months ago, it changed. No one wins there anymore. Ever. Its nauseating reading all the posts of people losing on a daily basis and not getting bonus rounds on 500-1000 + spins. its hard to believe you will be in business anymore a year from now, good luck with your new stingy slots

- English harbour = Adios, nice knowing u long friend. You were the 1st casino I ever played on online yet my long streak of deposits and no oppurtunities to cash out anything led me to delete you. No real problems with you guys, in fact I would recommend a friend to you, maybe i just hit a cold streak.

- Casino Grand Bay = Bye Bye. You changed the whole format of the casino and went to a new software that flat out sucks. The number of CD's I get in the mail with free $50 bonuses are clearly because you have lost your loyalty base by changing everything. I wont be back, the games suck and the casino sucks.

+ Riverbelle, love ya. Cant say enough good things about you overall, payouts, customer service, and bonus offers. I trust this casino 100% and have no doubt that I will get my money every single time I withdraw.

? 3dice, hate ya. lol. You have fun games, great support, but the slots are tighter than anything I have ever seen online. Enzo is a cool dude, the other girls are great but numerous posts about people never winning on there is a red flag. I deleted you once, I will dabblle here and there now that i reinstalled you, but I dont imagine you will be around on my computer for long but who knows.

What it comes down to is everyone has their favorite casino for numerous different reasons. Bottom line is go with one you 100% TRUST , one you never ever had an issue with, and argument with, a bonus issue with, any kind of problems and we will all be much happier.

My personal opinion now is that it is not healthy for our bankrolls to have more than 2 or maybe even 3 casinos installed. Why torture yourself with the stress if you can trust them ? Gambling is suppose to be fun, entertaining, and for some, just a getaway for a few hours to relax and enjoy yourself. For some, this is no longer the case, fortunately for me, I realize that cream rises to the top, and I am done with the shenanigans of questionable casinos

 

[jod5413]

I want to derail this thread one more time, then I will be done.

I actually appreciate hearing the opinions of me by the members in this thread. Most of you are not my friends, in case you didn't know that. My friends I treat with respect as they do me, and they post honestly and are forthright with their opinions, just as I post honestly.

I tend to get mouthy (cranky old lady? ) but never without proof or cause, no matter what you think. I post honestly and say in public what so many of you do privately by PMs among your friends (Mavin, you know what I mean?). If that means I am childish, so be it.

I am not in a contest to see how popular I am. So, feel free to express your opinions any time, I actually think a lot of you are funny and I find you quite entertaining. However, since so many of you are "offended" by what I say, I would suggest you put me on ignore. That way you won't be so upset when I post my opinions in the future, alrighty then?

Jod

 

[Nifty29]

Nifty it's been some time that I had apologized to you in a thread, but I will always remember that you hadn't thanked it as acknowledgement, maybe you didn't come back to the thread, I don't know. So once again, here today I will apologize to you yet again. Because even though you can be very stubborn with your opinions against many of us, I respect you and appreciate your offerings. You may have totally dissagreed with myself and others many times, but you have never once made me feel ashamed for venting my views.

I really appreciate your words Mavin

Contrary to the beliefs of some, I do actually try to keep the discussion about the issue and not the person. The times I have deviated from that is when I have been personally insulted, and unfortunately it is usually the same people who cannot cope with someone asking legitimate questions about their theories etc. It comes back to what Max posted the other day about the 'because it is' mindset - anyone is welcome to post any theory they have, but they need to accept that putting these theories out in the public domain will attract both support and criticism, and the way one handles the criticism is what most readers use as a yardstick for their credibility (and that of their theories).

When the statement 'all online casinos are rigged and cheat' is made, there is seldom a realistic and logical explanation given beyond 'because I'm losing' or 'Ive lost 10 deposits in a row' or 'because I just think it is'.....and this is where the problem lies for me. You will also notice that when someone is on a winning streak they don't post stating that the casino must be rigged because they are winning too much or too often e.g. someone a while back hit 2 RF's in 2 days at the same casino- big result against the odds, but where are the 'the games are rigged' people then?

Anyway, I have always respected you Mavin because you avoid making it personal and I think you are a good person based on how and what you contribute to the forum. I'm sorry if I did forget to thank you when you posted an apology as I would normally always do that when someone directs a positive post at me, and I reckon I must not have gone back to that thread or chances are I would have done it

As for the derailing re: Jod......

Some of you need to get some Kool-Aid or something.

The thread has turned into a lynch mob out for another members' blood, and it is unacceptable. In fact, it is childish.....which is amazing given Jod has been accused of the same thing!

It is also really disappointing to see people thanking and nominating posts that have direct accusations/insults against another member. It smacks of that lynch mob mindset and it stinks.

If you cannot cope what another poster says, then use the IGNORE feature. If you don't agree with what they think, and you want to be an adult about it, then stick to the issues and accept that everyone is different and that nobody is perfect and that not everyone will get along.

The image I am left with after reading this thread is that of some redneck town hall meeting where someone stands up and shouts "that Jod woman is a bitch" and suddenly all these people start yelling "yeah she's a bitch".

It makes me sick.