clogs VS the casinos (rigged rtp, etc)

[jasonuk]

If we go back 10 years, I would have expected RTS 7C (likelihood of results occurring on "real devices") to have covered it - particularly given (current language) "including substituting losing events with near-miss losing events".

Somehow, that either hasn't been applied correctly or hasn't kept pace with the industry - and if the current understanding that you mentioned earlier is anything outside the game space is fair game (I assume because it's not a losing event), then the genie is out of the bottle and anything goes.

That probably explains the scenario where FOBT players (including video recordings) have observed non-selected pie gambles winning with surprisingly high frequency. It wasn't the one selected so it's not subject to fair play principles.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Ever thought about next time you get in front let it give you 20 dead spins and leave, stop giving it back, and maybe stop making loads of threads about the same game?

Slots will always take your money if you keep playing long enough, this isn’t exclusive to Shinning Crown.

 

[clogs]

20 dead spins is fine, it's when your had 100 dead spins

 

[scott dickson]

20 dead spins is fine, it's when your had 100 dead spins

But the point is after 20 dead spins you should leave the game. Instead of starting 5 threads about the same topic.

 

[Jono777]

If you're having no luck, maybe try Troll Hunters from Play'n GO. In fact I hear there is a Troll Hunters 2 so you never know.

*Weak, accepted but that's what boredom and tiredness does for me

 

[clogs]

Are slots really random when you lose 70% of your starting balance in an hour, get back upto 95% in 1 nice hit.

Then your rtp drops to 5% and 5 minutes later your balance is gone.

If that is random I must have the worst luck

 

[slot_zombie]

Sounds like almost every one of my sessions, welcome to online slots.

 

[justdoit]

they are random, but that random can drop 1 time a year ?

 

[jasonuk]

I'm going to be brutally honest - stop watching the fake money streamers and consider taking a break from slots.

The slots they are pushing are designed to be brutal variance - putting tens or hundreds of times the RTP into the biggest wins that slots of previous generations would. So either you win big or you go home very quickly - as your threads indicate on a regular basis.

The streamers don't care about monopoly money losses - they want to pump the dopamine as quickly as they can so people (particularly those who are younger, or have addictive tendencies) will attempt to replicate it with the inevitably disastrous consequences.

I've seen what must have been a dozen threads of yours in the past month and it's the same recurring theme - if it's not Shining Crown then it's Burning Hot 20, then whether it's a scam or compensated or rigged or trolling or a pyramid scheme.

We've had quite an in-depth and interesting discussion of this topic on "Random my ****" - which may answer some of your questions. The same anecdotal rant over and over doesn't really add anything to the conversation I'm afraid. I've flagged it for the mods as they may want to merge all the threads together at this point.

 

[goatwack]

I don't think we got a definitive answer in that other thread, at least not one I liked!

But yes, as others have already mentioned above, slots are randomly compensated

 

[maxd]

... I've seen what must have been a dozen threads of yours in the past month and it's the same recurring theme - if it's not Shining Crown then it's Burning Hot 20, then whether it's a scam or compensated or rigged or trolling or a pyramid scheme.

@clogs , i think @jasonuk is making a fair point. It's not that your questions are unwelcome, it's just that it seems you are randomly creating new threads when one of your previous threads would do just fine.

So yeah, maybe give that a moment's thought before creating a new thread. If it's necessary then sure, go for it, but if it's closely related to a thread you've already posted then maybe that's the place to put it.

- Max

 

[OliverCooper]

Are slots really random when you lose 70% of your starting balance in an hour, get back upto 95% in 1 nice hit.

Then your rtp drops to 5% and 5 minutes later your balance is gone.

If that is random I must have the worst luck

The only thing I find here to say is: shit happens ?

 

[DavidShush]

You get 95% back? Doing well compared to me. I did £200 today. 1 Bonus, paid 15X. Never anywhere near starting balance. Just all downhill. If you want to win on slots you need to be a popular YouTuber it seems.

 

[justdoit]

You get 95% back? Doing well compared to me. I did £200 today. 1 Bonus, paid 15X. Never anywhere near starting balance. Just all downhill. If you want to win on slots you need to be a popular YouTuber it seems.

I never play first 3 weeks of March every year the same, even in Feb I do small bonus and give try, but for many years Feb March are losing months, from easter till end of May slots will start paying...
for me all this random RTP is big BS

 

[KasinoKing]

@clogs I think it's time to find a different hobby...

Maybe try hitting yourself over the head with a claw hammer - it will probably be less painful than the slots you've been playing

KK

 

[clogs]

I could have withdrawn 10k and deposted $500 less if I hadn't got greedy too many times and blown balances that were rope for withdrawal.

 

[satchnz]

I never play first 3 weeks of March every year the same, even in Feb I do small bonus and give try, but for many years Feb March are losing months, from easter till end of May slots will start paying...
for me all this random RTP is big BS

I’ve had a great start to March. I must be soaking up all the RTP available ?

 

[justdoit]

I’ve had a great start to March. I must be soaking up all the RTP available ?

yee looks like you got all the RTP hahah to risky for me to play feb march also brake from slots

 

[clogs]

Started with 100x and 3rd spin in hit a 200x but then 350 spins later on a game that doesn't have bonuses my balance was gone.

I figured this was so bad it couldn't keep missing 20-30 spins then giving a1-3x hit but it did so was wondering how often that happens to people here?

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Depends on the game, but yeah some can do that.

From your description (no bonuses in the game) it sounds like one of those awful blueprint games like luck of the Irish or it’s clones that random people play on the pub terminals and make £20 on £1 stake last half hour.

But when I try it’ll take £200 in 10 mins and do fuck all. More tilty than watching Dazza play bonanza.

 

[clogs]

100% put me on tilt to miss so much. I could play another 100 sessions on this slot and as long as I don't hit big it would not be anywhere near as low rtp as it was after that big hit.

 

[snorky510238]

Every time I play nowadays. It’s just corrupt filth. ****ing disgusting!

 

[clogs]

I went on a hot streak but now my luck has switched 180 and I'm wondering did they give me some winnings to hook me and now my luck will be terrible here on out. I've read so many, I signed online and at first I won but then gave it all back and 10x more

 

[snorky510238]

I went on a hot streak but now my luck has switched 180 and I'm wondering did they give me some winnings to hook me and now my luck will be terrible here on out. I've read so many, I signed online and at first I won but then gave it all back and 10x more

You’re always going to lose in the long run. My issue is how quickly your cash is ripped from your hand. 5 years ago, it was genuinely fun and seemed in the main that players got a fair deal.

Not now, Casinos/Providers are cheating players out of their money. I can’t prove it because this industry is impenetrable but I can guarantee 100%, that it’s happening. They have to answer to nobody. It’s literally like the Wild West.

 

[L&L-Jan]

@clogs are you enjoying and playing responsibly? I only see complaint posts and questions in regards to fairness of the games. It's a concerining sign to be honest.

 

[Jono777]

What I have noticed, whether there is anything in it or no, we will sadly never truly know for sure.....

There are a hell of a LOT more losing, bad game play and generally disgruntled players through "fairness" type threads than there was 3-4 years ago, a LOT more.

Does make a cynics mind really boggle.....

 

[thr0b]

What I have noticed, whether there is anything in it or no, we will sadly never truly know for sure.....

There are a hell of a LOT more losing, bad game play and generally disgruntled players through "fairness" type threads than there was 3-4 years ago, a LOT more.

Does make a cynics mind really boggle.....

Lots more advertising of the industry and fewer people playing for fun, more people playing just expecting big wins all of the time, and to always be up on the deal.

 

[TheAddict]

Sounds like you play some highly volatile or high in variance peices of shit. Boom or bust type gambles.
If you want to keep that streak running, I recommend BOD on 1 line at 94%,,

 

[OliverCooper]

@clogs I think it's time to find a different hobby...

Maybe try hitting yourself over the head with a claw hammer - it will probably be less painful than the slots you've been playing

KK

And maybe after this you won’t play slot machines anymore ?

 

[clogs]

I should pack it in, why lose 99% of the time because they promise one day you will hit super big and win back like 20% of your loses

What is the point of hitting a 60x to then miss the next 40 spins, hit a 2x then miss another 30 spins, it just makes you so angry like you actually believe it's a rigged game.

I play shinning crown, of course il hit 40 out of 200 spins getting 2/3/4x, an then the next session I will hit 5 in 200 spins with 2 x 60x and 3 x 3-5x, coincidence? is it a coincidence when you hit a big one but you don't get any of the smaller hits to keep your balance for a while, but when you get lots of smaller hits to hold your balance you will never see anything that gives you're balance a boost, and if you do get a nice hit while your hitting smaller hits, oh what a suyprise, it's now decided to stop giving you smaller hits until it's taken back your nice hit. When you see this happen time and time and time and time again you know it's rigged.

I would literally bet my life this game is run on algorythms to get you to tilt, it gives you runs of small hits making it enjoyable, then a nice big hit to get the dopamine going, then switches off all hits to put you on tilt as it takes all your profit back immediately and also 30% of your balance , then gives you another nice hit to break even, and you don't expect another bad run, but what a suprise, you get another run of death and half your balance is gone before you hit again.

It's a fruit game, not one of these soon in a bonus to hit big games.

It's a 97%rtp, so does that mean over what, 100, 1000, a million.

It makes you tilt to keep depositing and promises one day you will got that 500x, but it can take you 50k spins by which point your 10,000x down.
Where's the 97%rtp.

 

[satchnz]

Yes, you should pack it in.

 

[clogs]

Don't care what anyone says, I see the game take 90% of your balance giving 5%rtp and then the last 10% puts you on life support giving you 95% rtp meaning you get 5x more spins from the last 10% than the other 90%

Its not a coincidence all the near misses it gives and the patterns of near misses designed to really get you caught up and lose your mind and go on tilt

One day the news will say fbi issues warning slot providers are rigging their games and absolutely noboody will be surprised

All the people who say they not rigged are the same who said the vaccine was safe and tested

 

[deletedaccount20240507]

of course they are rigged. Even if you do hit something nice to get your balance a bit closer to what you started with it will always take it back. The computer is designed to do this. Notice how you never hit a nice bonus within the first few thousand spins , it's usually, if at all, when you are low and all it does is keep you going a bit longer. The whole thing is a scam with flashy lights and noises. They are not random despite what they may lead you to think.

 

[goatwack]

Playing Ponzi games that aren't just high-variance but extreme-variance probably doesn't help, given that you'll be forever blowing bubbles. As the Pet Shop Boys used to state: It's A Shin

 

[paul7388]

of course they are rigged. Even if you do hit something nice to get your balance a bit closer to what you started with it will always take it back. The computer is designed to do this. Notice how you never hit a nice bonus within the first few thousand spins , it's usually, if at all, when you are low and all it does is keep you going a bit longer. The whole thing is a scam with flashy lights and noises. They are not random despite what they may lead you to think.

Lol how would you know that if you hit something nice it always claws it back. Same as its usually at least a few thousand spins to get a decent bonus if at all, and even then it only keeps you playing longer.

This is coming from the person that's never hit over 7x stake. Funny never had a win over 7x yet you talk about it clawing nice wins back.

 

[deletedaccount20240507]

On that particular casino, yes. I have better luck on Mr Q.

 

[clogs]

Tell people cigarettes are addictive and they say duh, then tell them tobacco companies add loads of things to cigarettes to make them extremely addictive and you know it's not right

Tell people you lose at slots and they say well duh, tell them providers are programming the games to give you sequences that are designed to tilt you and push your brain to chase as you deposit again and again and you know it's not right.

All the near misses during long dry spells and then a big hit to give you hope, but it just takes it all back immediately when you know the game should be giving you plenty of little hits before it can do that

 

[satchnz]

If you put your hand in the fire and the fire burns you, you don’t put your hand back in the fire.

Why continue playing slots when you have such bad experiences and swear they are rigged?

 

[clogs]

Why does a heroin addict keep on injecting?

The provers have designed these crack slots to make sure we are completely addicted to them.

 

[satchnz]

Why does a heroin addict keep on injecting?

The provers have designed these crack slots to make sure we are completely addicted to them.

If you are likening your slotting habit with someone who has a heroin addiction then you definitely need to get some help. There are many people on this forum who can point you in the right direction.

 

[clogs]

Been gambling 20 years and it's robbed me of my soul, it's the worst addiction anyone can have

Time to quit. One day il get a significant inheritance and the last thing I'm going to do is watch it all go on gambling

 

[satchnz]

Been gambling 20 years and it's robbed me of my soul, it's the worst addiction anyone can have

Time to quit. One day il get a significant inheritance and the last thing I'm going to do is watch it all go on gambling

Please don’t, and please get some help.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Surely £20 spins on Bonanza should suffice???

 

[MahoneyKnows]

Games designers have surely employed psychologists and the like to jam the games full of predatory tactics which feed into the mind of a person to trigger those degenerate tendencies and keep the person playing and ultimately losing. Why do you think booze is free in Vegas…? Because it lowers inhibitions and increases someone’s probability of doing stupid things…. Just like after a night out of heavy drinking you’ll find a guy or girl getting with someone they never would. Aversion to risk is out the window and rationale is but a memory. Of course we’d find the games boring without the bells, whistles and flashing lights - but they have been weaponized to destroy a persons typical behaviours and illicit dopamine hits that fade fast and keep us wanting more.

 

[flexis]

I should pack it in, why lose 99% of the time because they promise one day you will hit super big and win back like 20% of your loses

What is the point of hitting a 60x to then miss the next 40 spins, hit a 2x then miss another 30 spins, it just makes you so angry like you actually believe it's a rigged game.

I play shinning crown, of course il hit 40 out of 200 spins getting 2/3/4x, an then the next session I will hit 5 in 200 spins with 2 x 60x and 3 x 3-5x, coincidence? is it a coincidence when you hit a big one but you don't get any of the smaller hits to keep your balance for a while, but when you get lots of smaller hits to hold your balance you will never see anything that gives you're balance a boost, and if you do get a nice hit while your hitting smaller hits, oh what a suyprise, it's now decided to stop giving you smaller hits until it's taken back your nice hit. When you see this happen time and time and time and time again you know it's rigged.

I would literally bet my life this game is run on algorythms to get you to tilt, it gives you runs of small hits making it enjoyable, then a nice big hit to get the dopamine going, then switches off all hits to put you on tilt as it takes all your profit back immediately and also 30% of your balance , then gives you another nice hit to break even, and you don't expect another bad run, but what a suprise, you get another run of death and half your balance is gone before you hit again.

It's a fruit game, not one of these soon in a bonus to hit big games.

It's a 97%rtp, so does that mean over what, 100, 1000, a million.

It makes you tilt to keep depositing and promises one day you will got that 500x, but it can take you 50k spins by which point your 10,000x down.
Where's the 97%rtp.

suggestion, if ur fed up then just don't play

 

[clogs]

That's the plan

 

[MahoneyKnows]

That's the plan

Close all your accounts with haste - no half assing it or allowing the urge to tempt you into reloading.

If you need to gamble I suggest setting an affordable number and throwing some small money on sports parlays whenever you get the itch… just stick to your limits and be steadfast in your plan to not play at casinos anymore.

Sports gambling although still gambling and counterintuitive (you don’t give an alcoholic who’s trying to kick beer instead because he drinks vodka), but I’ve always been able to control the mania and enjoy it to some degree. A sporting event typically lasts around 3 hours which you can atleast feel like you got your entertainment value out of your wager where as slots can take your paycheque in an hour. Just don’t start at 10 dollar bets and end up throwing 100’s-1000’s Or you’ll just end up right where you are now.

Or maybe seek out new forms of entertainment like knitting or lawn bowling… ??‍?. We all need something to look forward to. Idle hands are the devils playground so keep yourself busy and before long you’ll ponder how you used to do what you’re doing ?

 

[Valhalla]

Surely £20 spins on Bonanza should suffice???

It’s only Dunover who could play Bonanza at that stake. Everyone else will be shafted :xxx:

 

[clogs]

Can a provider say play our game, sure you are only getting 60% rtp after $10,000 wagered but once you gambled 100 million it should be 96.7% so come back to us when you've done that.



I constantly see 100 spin sessions returning like 40-60% to the point if I hit a 100x. After 200 spins it's all gone back

Even if you hit a 30x. You miss 20 spins, hit a 2x and miss another 20 spins so it's not really averaging out my 60% sessions

Seriously, when they say 97% rtp and you lose thousands and thousands to a game that's payed you 70% average at what point do you say hold on a minute, I need to win a couple jackpots here to get to 97% and never play it again to even out

 

[Jono777]

Good point.

We'll all be long dead by the time we hit what providers consider to be a big enough spin sample to hit TRTP.

Clever design eh?