chan111 vs Tropica (2012)

[chan111]

[Max says: posts related to chan111's complaint were split off from the Tropica BBF thread (here)]

This casino never paid couple of thousands I won in Roulette back in 2012.

I played without any bonus and they claimed I played a system, needless to say that I played no system at all

I pitched a bitch and followed the pitch a bitch but couldnt get a resolution.

Anyway, this casino is the only casino in the world of online gaming that never paid me.

When I saw it here being considered to be accredited I was very surprised.

Max, maybe now they pay me my winnings they owe, the pitch a bitch was submitted september 2012

 

[maphesto]

@chan111:

Your profile says you have two posts, but I can find only one. What happened to your first one? Was it deleted by moderators?

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

Hi,

I have 1 account on my system for a Chan111 and it is from Berlin, so I assume it is the same person. I sent Chan111 a PM earlier asking to confirm their login.

All I see on my system for Chan111 is a deposit of €400 using Neteller on 10 October 2012 and a withdrawal for €400 on 24 October 2012. I have requested archive data from Rival, but for now I can't seem to find anything related to you not been paid. I also see no history on your account relating to a win of any sort, however it may be archived data, so will wait for Rival.

If you or Max have any information that I could use, please PM me so I may investigate your claim.

Thank you,
Dieter

 

[petro]

I played without any bonus and they claimed I played a system, needless to say that I played no system at all

Hypothetically speaking, even if someone played a roulette system. That is not a good reason for non-payment as there is no roulette system that works.

 

[dunover]

Hi,

I have 1 account on my system for a Chan111 and it is from Berlin, so I assume it is the same person. I sent Chan111 a PM earlier asking to confirm their login.

All I see on my system for Chan111 is a deposit of €400 using Neteller on 10 October 2012 and a withdrawal for €400 on 24 October 2012. I have requested archive data from Rival, but for now I can't seem to find anything related to you not been paid. I also see no history on your account relating to a win of any sort, however it may be archived data, so will wait for Rival.

If you or Max have any information that I could use, please PM me so I may investigate your claim.

Thank you,
Dieter

This is likely the old 'fine if you lose your deposit, if you win you'll get it back and no winnings' BS. Perhaps that explains why the deposit and withdrawal you have on record are the same? Sorry to sound cynical but that seems a likely explanation here (taking chan at face value.) Seldom do players deposit, play and then withdraw EXACTLY what they deposited.

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

This is likely the old 'fine if you lose your deposit, if you win you'll get it back and no winnings' BS. Perhaps that explains why the deposit and withdrawal you have on record are the same? Sorry to sound cynical but that seems a likely explanation here (taking chan at face value.) Seldom do players deposit, play and then withdraw EXACTLY what they deposited.

Hi Dunover,

I agree that that seems to a probable theory / answer as too what happened, however on my end, there are no withdrawals or cancelled withdrawals, hence me asking Rival for archived history. Added to this, I would assume (hope) that if there was a PAB, Max would be able to dig it up and let us know the outcome.

If there was a problem, there is no record of it, so I believe this was resolved via email and not via the Rival ticketing system which keeps a record of all correspondence exchanged via the support email addresses. Duwayne also has no correspondence related to this and the OP has not replied to PMs or emails today.

Thank you,
Dieter

 

[chan111]

The amount was 3800 EUR, I am sending now a private message to Tropica, if they pay I return my words and put it behind.

 

[petro]

Max, maybe now they pay me my winnings they owe, the pitch a bitch was submitted september 2012

https://www.casinomeister.com/static/pitchabitch/sep2012.php

"01 Sep *Tropica Rival Player reported that the casino was refusing a €3800 withdrawal on the grounds that the player had multiple accounts. The player later admitted that their partner had also signed up at the casino. Unresolved and ongoing."

 

[chan111]

I never had or have multiple accounts at Tropica this is a total lie and a new lie.

Their claim was not multiple accounts and I am bringing now the proof although long time elapsed, I will gather the information and show the casino and public that lying to me and not pay is not going to help or resolve anything even if long time elapse.

Here is their claim as they were shown back then by the casino.

It is not the first lie from their side, they also claimed other false claims.

The fact they claim many claims and not only one, and the fact they brought now this multiple account thing, just shows how liers they are

Hi Chantal,

Your account is locked for a number of reasons:

1. Suspicious behaviour and gameplay

2. Suspicious documentation

3. Multiple Accounts across the Rival Network

4. Using a Betting System to play

5. Non compliance with documentation request

6. Multiple IPs

7. VPN Software detected

WHEN THEY SAY MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS THEY MEAN I HAVE MORE ACCOUNTS IN RIVAL - THIS IS TRUE but it is not that I have multiple accounts.

I never use VPN and back then I didnt even know what it is only after they mentioned it I checked.

I didnt use betting system to play

I complied with their documents request

They asked for notarized documents which I sent and they also ask my photo holding ID which I sent

Other words - lies and lies and non payment

This is why I was so surprised and angry when I saw they want to be accredited here

Hi Chantal,

We are not satisfied that these documents are legitimate.

Please do the following:

1. Have the documents notarised. We will want to know the full details
of the person notarising them.
2. We require a picture of you holding up your id document where your
face and the ID is clearly visible.

Please return these within 7 days.

Regards,
Tropica Security

Me
An Tropica Faxbacks 24.Aug.2012
Dear Sirs,

i sent you the notarised document, the notar details and my photo holding my ID

kindly comfirm you recived it

Best regards,
chantal

 

[chan111]

And eventually they approved the documents

Tropica Faxbacks
An Me 24.Aug.2012
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Dear Miss Trostdorff,
YOUR USERNAME IS: chan111
Thank you so much for sending in the requested documentation. We are pleased to inform you that your documentation has been approved.
Should you have any withdrawals waiting to be processed, kindly note that these will be processed shortly.
We trust this mail has been of use to you. If you have any further questions or need assistance with any other matter relating to your Tropica Casino account, our friendly customer service staff will be happy to help in any way. Please contact us.
Kind Regards
The Tropica Casino Team

Email: [email protected]
From the US: 1-888-271-9514
From the UK: 0808 234 3845
International: +5999 433 8936
www.tropicacasino.com


How can they say my documents are fake after they approved them, they can still contact the notary office in Germany

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

I never had or have multiple accounts at Tropica this is a total lie and a new lie.

Their claim was not multiple accounts and I am bringing now the proof although long time elapsed, I will gather the information and show the casino and public that lying to me and not pay is not going to help or resolve anything even if long time elapse.

Here is their claim as they were shown back then by the casino.

It is not the first lie from their side, they also claimed other false claims.

The fact they claim many claims and not only one, and the fact they brought now this multiple account thing, just shows how liers they are

Hi Chantal,

Your account is locked for a number of reasons:

1. Suspicious behaviour and gameplay

2. Suspicious documentation

3. Multiple Accounts across the Rival Network

4. Using a Betting System to play

5. Non compliance with documentation request

6. Multiple IPs

7. VPN Software detected

WHEN THEY SAY MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS THEY MEAN I HAVE MORE ACCOUNTS IN RIVAL - THIS IS TRUE but it is not that I have multiple accounts.

I never use VPN and back then I didnt even know what it is only after they mentioned it I checked.

I didnt use betting system to play

I complied with their documents request

They asked for notarized documents which I sent and they also ask my photo holding ID which I sent

Other words - lies and lies and non payment

This is why I was so surprised and angry when I saw they want to be accredited here

Hi Chantal,

We are not satisfied that these documents are legitimate.

Please do the following:

1. Have the documents notarised. We will want to know the full details
of the person notarising them.
2. We require a picture of you holding up your id document where your
face and the ID is clearly visible.

Please return these within 7 days.

Regards,
Tropica Security

Me
An Tropica Faxbacks 24.Aug.2012
Dear Sirs,

i sent you the notarised document, the notar details and my photo holding my ID

kindly comfirm you recived it

Best regards,
chantal

Hi Chantal,

As per the PMs exchanged: I took over the group in Jan 2103. I don't have access to your records which is why I am unable to assist you. I advised you to liaise with Max regarding your PAB to see what evidence was presented by the casino managers at the time. If you breached any of the terms back then, then I am afraid that is not something "we" should be rectifying now.

I don't understand why you choose to keep posting here when we have exchanged PMs.

Regards,
Dieter

 

[chan111]

I didnt breach any of the terms, and the fact you are the manager now and not back then is not relevant.

The casino didnt show any proof and max also know that.

The reason it is in public is because I already tried for 2 years to solve the issue without going public.

Now it is this website who offer to put you under the reputable accredited casino list. so people should know and you also know your real face.

I didnt breach any of the terms, it is the casino that acted in aggressive move stealing my winnings.

If I can have the records in my email you must also have the records and sorry in such case not having the records and the excuses of previous manager decision not me is not acceptable

They didnt show proof of system because there was no system play, can you show the logfile of my game play here so people will see there was no system used, it was couple of bets won and cashout .

I do have more accounts in the rival network so what, it is not against any term.

The documents - well they were approved and if you dont trust your own email call the notary office, I can send again the details and the documents

In other words - you are far from being accredited, you are no pay casino

As soon as you pay players and pay me I have no problem you be accredited in all website in the world.

Right now you continue with the excuses in order not to pay and be accredited at the same time and this wont work

You pay players on time you be accredited, you dont pay you wont be accredited and as I said although I had to suffer all the complaints and lies and wait 2 years if I am being paid I am happy and take my words back

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

I didnt breach any of the terms, and the fact you are the manager now and not back then is not relevant.

The casino didnt show any proof and max also know that.

The reason it is in public is because I already tried for 2 years to solve the issue without going public.

Now it is this website who offer to put you under the reputable accredited casino list. so people should know and you also know your real face.

I didnt breach any of the terms, it is the casino that acted in aggressive move stealing my winnings.

If I can have the records in my email you must also have the records and sorry in such case not having the records and the excuses of previous manager decision not me is not acceptable

They didnt show proof of system because there was no system play, can you show the logfile of my game play here so people will see there was no system used, it was couple of bets won and cashout .

I do have more accounts in the rival network so what, it is not against any term.

The documents - well they were approved and if you dont trust your own email call the notary office, I can send again the details and the documents

In other words - you are far from being accredited, you are no pay casino

Hi Chantal,

I can honestly say that there has been no contact from you recorded on our system related to this (or any other matter) since I took over. This is the first time I am aware of you and this situation.

As soon as I have the information from Rival and from Max, we will know exactly what happened and why you were denied your winnings. That said, I know the previous owners well and I doubt they would have held back your payment just for the sake of it.

I have contacted Max and hopefully he will be able to say what evidence was provided during the PAB process.

Regards,
Dieter

 

[chan111]

This is your reply to Askgamblers back then, now you tell me these words are being said by accredited casino or a rogue casino , read their words not mine

Hi Chantal,

Your account is locked for a number of reasons:

1. Suspicious behaviour and gameplay

2. Suspicious documentation

3. Multiple Accounts across the Rival Network

4. Using a Betting System to play

5. Non compliance with documentation request

6. Multiple IPs

7. VPN Software detected

As a result, your account has been suspended and will remain as such at

Tropica Casino.

 

[gagamel]

I didnt breach any of the terms, and the fact you are the manager now and not back then is not relevant.

The casino didnt show any proof and max also know that.

The reason it is in public is because I already tried for 2 years to solve the issue without going public.

Now it is this website who offer to put you under the reputable accredited casino list. so people should know and you also know your real face.

I didnt breach any of the terms, it is the casino that acted in aggressive move stealing my winnings.

If I can have the records in my email you must also have the records and sorry in such case not having the records and the excuses of previous manager decision not me is not acceptable

They didnt show proof of system because there was no system play, can you show the logfile of my game play here so people will see there was no system used, it was couple of bets won and cashout .

I do have more accounts in the rival network so what, it is not against any term.

The documents - well they were approved and if you dont trust your own email call the notary office, I can send again the details and the documents

In other words - you are far from being accredited, you are no pay casino

Hi Chan

well I`m always a little sceptic when someone comes into the forums and cries about not getting paid, especially when the issue is more than two years old.

If you breached one term then you can`t expect to get paid. As far as I see in one of your posts you breached seven terms.

That`s a lot. In my experience a rogue casino don`t make the effort to search for seven reasons not to pay you.
They just don`t pay you

Did you PAB in 2012? Or did you try to PAB and Max declined?

And of course, if a casino is under a new management it is not granted that the old datas are completely transferred.

Dieter stated that you are in touch with him via PM.

I`m sure that he will deal with your issue in a fair way.

And please, don`t use this BBF for your personal agenda.

Thanks

 

[chan111]

I understand you are the new manager since 2013 but how can you say you cant understand how they decide not to pay just because they want to save 3800 for the casino.

They say in their own words - suspicious game play - I played without a bonus - when somebody win in roulette without bonus and casino blame him of using system , isnt it the casino want to save themselves the 3800, isnt it clear to you that this is the case when the casino blame you of doing so.

Imagine you sit and play no system just play 5 minutes a roulette game bet high win and go home and the casino manager comes and tell you dude hold on, we dont pay you because you used system

Would you also say, well I dont beieve this manager would not pay me without a solid reason

What would you say if it was yourself

 

[chan111]

Gargamel - I didnt breach 7 terms, you will be surprised , I didnt breach even 1 term.

They mentioned 7 reasons of their decision not to pay, it is not a term.

They said you played system in roulette - even if it was a term - I didnt use any system the logfile can show it in a second, and max will confirm they didnt show any proof to any of their claim including the syste bullshit.

Now look at the other terms, - these are not terms - rival network there is no such term you cant have more casinos in the network.

What else - suspicisous gameplay come on Gargamel, do you consider it a term , what is suspicious game play, I will show you the log if I could, I bet coupe of roulette bets no system after depositing 400 and cashed out 3800, big deal what is so suspicious and it is not a term.

Ips - everytime I login to the internet I get a different ip, so I used different ip, it is a joke or what, is it also a term gargamel


Other words, it is clear as the sky in August that this casino wanted and did save himself 3800 EUR of my money.

They owe me that money

 

[gagamel]

Gargamel - I didnt breach 7 terms, you will be surprised , I didnt breach even 1 term.

They mentioned 7 reasons of their decision not to pay, it is not a term.

They said you played system in roulette - even if it was a term - I didnt use any system the logfile can show it in a second, and max will confirm they didnt show any proof to any of their claim including the syste bullshit.

Now look at the other terms, - these are not terms - rival network there is no such term you cant have more casinos in the network.

What else - suspicisous come on Gargamel, do you consider it a term , what is suspicious game play, I will show you the log if I could, I bet coupe of roulette bets no system after depositing 400 and cashed out 3800, big deal what is so suspicious and it is not a term.

Ips - everytime I login to the internet I get a different ip, so I used different ip, it is a joke or what, is it also a term gargamel


Other words, it is clear as the sky in August that this casino wanted and did save himself 3800 EUR of my money.

They owe me that money

Let`s see what Rival and Max can tell us about this issue.

I`m curious about the outcome and to hear both sides.

As I said, I`m sceptic.

 

[Googobucs]

Gargamel - I didnt breach 7 terms, you will be surprised , I didnt breach even 1 term.

They mentioned 7 reasons of their decision not to pay, it is not a term.

They said you played system in roulette - even if it was a term - I didnt use any system the logfile can show it in a second, and max will confirm they didnt show any proof to any of their claim including the syste bullshit.

Now look at the other terms, - these are not terms - rival network there is no such term you cant have more casinos in the network.

What else - suspicisous gameplay come on Gargamel, do you consider it a term , what is suspicious game play, I will show you the log if I could, I bet coupe of roulette bets no system after depositing 400 and cashed out 3800, big deal what is so suspicious and it is not a term.

Ips - everytime I login to the internet I get a different ip, so I used different ip, it is a joke or what, is it also a term gargamel


Other words, it is clear as the sky in August that this casino wanted and did save himself 3800 EUR of my money.

They owe me that money

Have you contacted Max and asked him to re-engage this PAB?
https://www.casinomeister.com/static/pitchabitch/sep2012.php

If not, then I recommend that you refresh yourself of the PAB terms
Link Outdated / Removed

stop posting about this and contact Max.

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

This is your reply to Askgamblers back then, now you tell me these words are being said by accredited casino or a rogue casino , read their words not mine

Hi Chantal,

Your account is locked for a number of reasons:

1. Suspicious behaviour and gameplay

2. Suspicious documentation

3. Multiple Accounts across the Rival Network

4. Using a Betting System to play

5. Non compliance with documentation request

6. Multiple IPs

7. VPN Software detected

As a result, your account has been suspended and will remain as such at

Tropica Casino.

Hi Chantal,

I need to state that those are not my words nor my team's. I fail to understand why you keep choosing to post here when we have already discussed what needs to be done, both in public and in private.

Your continued posting leads me to believe that you are deliberately trying to attack to our reputation (despite this been a legacy issue and my best efforts to cooperate with you). Your continued hostility here and on PM means that I have to ask that you resolve this with Max, as I don't believe we will make any progress.

I am so sorry this happened to you and that you did not get to have a good experience back then. I hope you get the answers you need from Max to help put this matter behind you.

All the best,
Dieter

 

[chan111]

The pitch a bitch was concluded but I am very sorry to say very sorry that the information I see now in casinomeister website is totally not correct, it is a mistake by max or a made up story that have no connection to reality, max will respond and clarify the mistake but I must clarify it myself there.

In the link posted here it says

The player later admitted that their partner had also signed up at the casino. Unresolved and ongoing



I never had a partner, I never admitted my partner used another account from my computer, it was never ever discussed emailed to max or by max to me, it is a made up words that was put here by mistake or a made up story.

Then it also says in the report of max

Player reported that the casino was refusing a €3800 withdrawal on the grounds that the player had multiple accounts.

The casino claimed I had other casinos in the rival network and never claimed I Had multiple accounts, also in the pitch a bitch I never claimed that I had or casino claimed I had multiple accounts

 

[chan111]

The casino lie to me this I understand they want to save 3800 EUR but why would max Lie to me and type flase information in the outcome, why , this I cant understand.

It cant be by mistake, he wrote i admitted my partner logged in from my computer, where did I admit that , I never had any partner, what partner where is it coming from

 

[maphesto]

@chan111:

Since you once filed a PAB I advice you to stop posting now and wait for the answers from Max!

 

[gagamel]

The casino lie to me this I understand they want to save 3800 EUR but why would max Lie to me and type flase information in the outcome, why , this I cant understand.

It cant be by mistake, he wrote i admitted my partner logged in from my computer, where did I admit that , I never had any partner, what partner where is it coming from

Casino is guilty, now Max is guilty.

You are on thin ice my friend.

I hope you tell the truth, but I`m really sceptic.

Cheers

 

[Googobucs]

The casino lie to me this I understand they want to save 3800 EUR but why would max Lie to me and type flase information in the outcome, why , this I cant understand.

It cant be by mistake, he wrote i admitted my partner logged in from my computer, where did I admit that , I never had any partner, what partner where is it coming from

Have you contacted Max directly and asked him to provide some clarification and closure on these issues for you? I would suggest you attempt to resolve this matter privately for as long as possible. Indicating that Max is lying to you and providing false information in the open forum is not going to win you any brownie points.

 

[chan111]

There is no pitch a bitch in process, the pitch a bitch was concluded with an outcome.

You laugh at me and being cynical but I swear to god, what Max wrote there and he will testify and admit here, what he wrote there has nothing to do with me , I never admitted any partner, and I never admitted anybody used my computer.

Now you are cynical, yes I blame Max for posting false information in the outcome and also in the description of my pitch a bitch, I blame him for that and he will respond and you will see I talk only true.

 

[rockycatt]

this hijack is going to stop chan 111 your fu^%ing up the thread

 

[chan111]

To the new manager of tropica. you keep asking me why I go public with this complaint.

This thread is all about going public, it is asking the public - what is your experience with Tropica good or bad and mine is very bad and it is even getting worse.

2 years I am not being paid and yes you didnt know about it, I dont blame you personally but how can you be surprised that after 2 year it goes public in a thread that ask the public what is your experience with Tropica

And yes it is all about the money, pay me the money and I amout of here

I dont blame you personally I aimed on Tropica and now the made up story with the partner - my partner, I wish I had a partner, my only partner in my life is my money no partners at all so many years more than 2 years alone , lonely no partners to login to my account and my money cant do that thank god

 

[maxd]

@chan111:

Your profile says you have two posts, but I can find only one. What happened to your first one? Was it deleted by moderators?

The second post was the PAB which are only visible to staff.

As to the rest of this issue: I'm looking into it, should be able to report back later today.

 

[The Dude]

@chan111 - please respond to my "friend" request at FB. Thank you.

 

[The Dude]

@chan111 - please respond to my "friend" request at FB. Thank you.

This should have taken you about 30 seconds. What's up?

 

[chan111]

facebook responded

 

[dunover]

Mmmmm....Chan's on Charlie.

(couldn't resist sorry!)

 

[The Dude]

facebook responded

I don't have anything from you. At least not yet.

 

[petro]

The fact they claim many claims and not only one, and the fact they brought now this multiple account thing, just shows how liers they are

There may be some truth to what OP has to say, as I had a very similar thing happen to me.
A casino accused me of everything under the sun when I went to make a withdrawal. None of which was true of course.

 

[The Dude]

There may be some truth to what OP has to say, as I had a very similar thing happen to me.
A casino accused me of everything under the sun when I went to make a withdrawal. None of which was true of course.

Except this person logged into the casino from three separate countries using the same computer. Unless the person was traveling to these countries, then a VPN is being used.

 

[Beravek7]

No bonus involved! Why should it bother anybody from how many countries did this player logged in?

 

[dunover]

No bonus involved! Why should it bother anybody from how many countries did this player logged in?

Check out 'money laundering'.

 

[The Dude]

No bonus involved! Why should it bother anybody from how many countries did this player logged in?

Because using VPNs can mask players coming in from banned jurisdictions. This is usually dictated from the licensing jurisdiction. Get caught doing it and it's adios. Using a bonus is irrelevant. That's just one reason.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Except this person logged into the casino from three separate countries using the same computer. Unless the person was traveling to these countries, then a VPN is being used.

It might also be down to Geolocation failures. There was an incident where a number of Virgin Media subscribers were unable to access the National Lottery and TV catchup services because they were "not in the UK". The fault was the ISP, not the subscriber using a VPN. If there has been no data added for an IP range, it defaults to the USA, but it's really a null value, not a reflection that the IP has been logged as being a US one.

It has also happened with adjacent countries, with Geolocation getting Britain and France wrong, Northern and Southern Ireland wrong, and also the IP addresses from locations with small populations can get logged to the location of the ISPs server cluster, which could be some distance away on the mainland, or another larger island.

It may also happen if someone uses public hotspots or public connections, as they may use things like VPN to protect themselves as users, and this could easily be left on all the time as it would cause no obvious ill effects. The hotspots themselves may also have settings over which the user has no control, but that could make them appear "dodgy" to the other side's site or service.

Without any bonuses being involved, I can't see what the motive would be for going to the trouble and risk of setting up the VPN specifically for playing the casino.

The casino have somewhat damaged their credibility by using the bogus idea that the player also gained an advantage through the use of his "Roulette system", which even without a bonus, can somehow alter the dynamics of the game and produce an unfair 100% RTP.

They should have stuck to the two main issues, the VPN and the questionable documents.

 

[The Dude]

It might also be down to Geolocation failures. There was an incident where a number of Virgin Media subscribers were unable to access the National Lottery and TV catchup services because they were "not in the UK". The fault was the ISP, not the subscriber using a VPN. If there has been no data added for an IP range, it defaults to the USA, but it's really a null value, not a reflection that the IP has been logged as being a US one...

- no US IPs here.

 

[vinylweatherman]

- no US IPs here.

Adjacent countries, or all over the place?

 

[petro]

Without any bonuses being involved, I can't see what the motive would be for going to the trouble and risk of setting up the VPN specifically for playing the casino.

I think that is a strong point. It seems likely that the player wasn't up to any funny business.

 

[Googobucs]

The casino have somewhat damaged their credibility by using the bogus idea that the player also gained an advantage through the use of his "Roulette system", which even without a bonus, can somehow alter the dynamics of the game and produce an unfair 100% RTP.

The only only evidence I've seen so far attributed directly to the Casino would be the statement that the OP created accounts from 3 different countries with the same computer.

The rest are directly quoted by the OP and I have not see Max, Bryan or Tropica validate any of them.

The only credibility that has come into question at this point IMO is the OP.

 

[michielm1]

so if i go on vacation to spain, and i gamble (login my account) en route, i gamble in 4 different countries.
since i travel by car, i gamble when i rest. i login at a motel wifi or a big gas station wifi or on my laptop with portable network, or on my mobile phone... i'm using a vpn...no

 

[vinylweatherman]

so if i go on vacation to spain, and i gamble (login my account) en route, i gamble in 4 different countries.
since i travel by car, i gamble when i rest. i login at a motel wifi or a big gas station wifi or on my laptop with portable network, or on my mobile phone... i'm using a vpn...no

It depends on the logs. If he logged in from India at 9am, America at 10:30am, and then Russia at midday, then the innocent explanations do not really work, and it's most probable that these are the signs of a player who is playing from behind a VPN. This is either a player who has contracted a severe bout of paranoia after having been infected before with a computer virus, or there is some other scheme afoot that does not involve the obvious, such as claiming a "once only" bonus several times without being easily detected.

It was determined that the same computer was used, so either this is just the casino stating the "bleedin' obvious", or it's a player who mistakenly thought the VPN would effectively prevent the casino from knowing it was the same player, and got caught out through not realising that the machine itself could be identified and logged as well as the originating IP address.

If there is no motive, then why go to all the trouble of setting up and using a VPN? Perhaps there is another scam doing the rounds that doesn't need access to lucrative welcome bonuses several times per player in order to be profitable.

I have looked at what a VPN is, and it seems pretty hard to set one up "by accident", especially as most require a subscription to be taken out. I initially thought it was something a user could set up themselves by reconfiguring their own machines, or through using a readily available "black box" piece of software much like a "free antivirus" that can be used for extra protection even though the user would have almost no idea how the technology actually worked.

 

[suzecat]

When this subject has come up before, the members suggested before you leave your normal IP and travel to another, you notify the casino of your travel plans and keep a copy of your notice to the casino. That way these situations are covered and VPN questions never are raised.

 

[The Dude]

Hi all,

Let's not speculate here, ok? This was a PAB that went dead in the water two years ago. And just now the PABer has shown up to try to get this resolved. And she is a she - not a he, right?

 

[dunover]

It depends on the logs. If he logged in from India at 9am, America at 10:30am, and then Russia at midday, then the innocent explanations do not really work, and it's most probable that these are the signs of a player who is playing from behind a VPN. This is either a player who has contracted a severe bout of paranoia after having been infected before with a computer virus, or there is some other scheme afoot that does not involve the obvious, such as claiming a "once only" bonus several times without being easily detected.

It was determined that the same computer was used, so either this is just the casino stating the "bleedin' obvious", or it's a player who mistakenly thought the VPN would effectively prevent the casino from knowing it was the same player, and got caught out through not realising that the machine itself could be identified and logged as well as the originating IP address.

If there is no motive, then why go to all the trouble of setting up and using a VPN? Perhaps there is another scam doing the rounds that doesn't need access to lucrative welcome bonuses several times per player in order to be profitable.

I have looked at what a VPN is, and it seems pretty hard to set one up "by accident", especially as most require a subscription to be taken out. I initially thought it was something a user could set up themselves by reconfiguring their own machines, or through using a readily available "black box" piece of software much like a "free antivirus" that can be used for extra protection even though the user would have almost no idea how the technology actually worked.

.....he must've somehow got Concorde airborne again....

 

[gagamel]

Hi all,

Let's not speculate here, ok? This was a PAB that went dead in the water two years ago. And just now the PABer has shown up to try to get this resolved. And she is a she - not a he, right?

He or she is from germany. Maybe he or she don`t know the difference with he or she, lots of germans make a mistake with it.

But, as I stated before, there is much more in this case as this Shemale thing.

I`m sure that Chan has a little secret.