chan111 vs Tropica (2012)

[chan111]

There is no pitch a bitch in process, the pitch a bitch was concluded with an outcome.

You laugh at me and being cynical but I swear to god, what Max wrote there and he will testify and admit here, what he wrote there has nothing to do with me , I never admitted any partner, and I never admitted anybody used my computer.

Now you are cynical, yes I blame Max for posting false information in the outcome and also in the description of my pitch a bitch, I blame him for that and he will respond and you will see I talk only true.

 

[rockycatt]

this hijack is going to stop chan 111 your fu^%ing up the thread

 

[chan111]

To the new manager of tropica. you keep asking me why I go public with this complaint.

This thread is all about going public, it is asking the public - what is your experience with Tropica good or bad and mine is very bad and it is even getting worse.

2 years I am not being paid and yes you didnt know about it, I dont blame you personally but how can you be surprised that after 2 year it goes public in a thread that ask the public what is your experience with Tropica

And yes it is all about the money, pay me the money and I amout of here

I dont blame you personally I aimed on Tropica and now the made up story with the partner - my partner, I wish I had a partner, my only partner in my life is my money no partners at all so many years more than 2 years alone , lonely no partners to login to my account and my money cant do that thank god

 

[maxd]

@chan111:

Your profile says you have two posts, but I can find only one. What happened to your first one? Was it deleted by moderators?

The second post was the PAB which are only visible to staff.

As to the rest of this issue: I'm looking into it, should be able to report back later today.

 

[Casinomeister]

@chan111 - please respond to my "friend" request at FB. Thank you.

 

[Casinomeister]

@chan111 - please respond to my "friend" request at FB. Thank you.

This should have taken you about 30 seconds. What's up?

 

[chan111]

facebook responded

 

[dunover]

Mmmmm....Chan's on Charlie.

(couldn't resist sorry!)

 

[Casinomeister]

facebook responded

I don't have anything from you. At least not yet.

 

[petro]

The fact they claim many claims and not only one, and the fact they brought now this multiple account thing, just shows how liers they are

There may be some truth to what OP has to say, as I had a very similar thing happen to me.
A casino accused me of everything under the sun when I went to make a withdrawal. None of which was true of course.

 

[Casinomeister]

There may be some truth to what OP has to say, as I had a very similar thing happen to me.
A casino accused me of everything under the sun when I went to make a withdrawal. None of which was true of course.

Except this person logged into the casino from three separate countries using the same computer. Unless the person was traveling to these countries, then a VPN is being used.

 

[Beravek7]

No bonus involved! Why should it bother anybody from how many countries did this player logged in?

 

[dunover]

No bonus involved! Why should it bother anybody from how many countries did this player logged in?

Check out 'money laundering'.

 

[Casinomeister]

No bonus involved! Why should it bother anybody from how many countries did this player logged in?

Because using VPNs can mask players coming in from banned jurisdictions. This is usually dictated from the licensing jurisdiction. Get caught doing it and it's adios. Using a bonus is irrelevant. That's just one reason.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Except this person logged into the casino from three separate countries using the same computer. Unless the person was traveling to these countries, then a VPN is being used.

It might also be down to Geolocation failures. There was an incident where a number of Virgin Media subscribers were unable to access the National Lottery and TV catchup services because they were "not in the UK". The fault was the ISP, not the subscriber using a VPN. If there has been no data added for an IP range, it defaults to the USA, but it's really a null value, not a reflection that the IP has been logged as being a US one.

It has also happened with adjacent countries, with Geolocation getting Britain and France wrong, Northern and Southern Ireland wrong, and also the IP addresses from locations with small populations can get logged to the location of the ISPs server cluster, which could be some distance away on the mainland, or another larger island.

It may also happen if someone uses public hotspots or public connections, as they may use things like VPN to protect themselves as users, and this could easily be left on all the time as it would cause no obvious ill effects. The hotspots themselves may also have settings over which the user has no control, but that could make them appear "dodgy" to the other side's site or service.

Without any bonuses being involved, I can't see what the motive would be for going to the trouble and risk of setting up the VPN specifically for playing the casino.

The casino have somewhat damaged their credibility by using the bogus idea that the player also gained an advantage through the use of his "Roulette system", which even without a bonus, can somehow alter the dynamics of the game and produce an unfair 100% RTP.

They should have stuck to the two main issues, the VPN and the questionable documents.

 

[Casinomeister]

It might also be down to Geolocation failures. There was an incident where a number of Virgin Media subscribers were unable to access the National Lottery and TV catchup services because they were "not in the UK". The fault was the ISP, not the subscriber using a VPN. If there has been no data added for an IP range, it defaults to the USA, but it's really a null value, not a reflection that the IP has been logged as being a US one...

- no US IPs here.

 

[vinylweatherman]

- no US IPs here.

Adjacent countries, or all over the place?

 

[petro]

Without any bonuses being involved, I can't see what the motive would be for going to the trouble and risk of setting up the VPN specifically for playing the casino.

I think that is a strong point. It seems likely that the player wasn't up to any funny business.

 

[Googobucs]

The casino have somewhat damaged their credibility by using the bogus idea that the player also gained an advantage through the use of his "Roulette system", which even without a bonus, can somehow alter the dynamics of the game and produce an unfair 100% RTP.

The only only evidence I've seen so far attributed directly to the Casino would be the statement that the OP created accounts from 3 different countries with the same computer.

The rest are directly quoted by the OP and I have not see Max, Bryan or Tropica validate any of them.

The only credibility that has come into question at this point IMO is the OP.

 

[michielm1]

so if i go on vacation to spain, and i gamble (login my account) en route, i gamble in 4 different countries.
since i travel by car, i gamble when i rest. i login at a motel wifi or a big gas station wifi or on my laptop with portable network, or on my mobile phone... i'm using a vpn...no

 

[vinylweatherman]

so if i go on vacation to spain, and i gamble (login my account) en route, i gamble in 4 different countries.
since i travel by car, i gamble when i rest. i login at a motel wifi or a big gas station wifi or on my laptop with portable network, or on my mobile phone... i'm using a vpn...no

It depends on the logs. If he logged in from India at 9am, America at 10:30am, and then Russia at midday, then the innocent explanations do not really work, and it's most probable that these are the signs of a player who is playing from behind a VPN. This is either a player who has contracted a severe bout of paranoia after having been infected before with a computer virus, or there is some other scheme afoot that does not involve the obvious, such as claiming a "once only" bonus several times without being easily detected.

It was determined that the same computer was used, so either this is just the casino stating the "bleedin' obvious", or it's a player who mistakenly thought the VPN would effectively prevent the casino from knowing it was the same player, and got caught out through not realising that the machine itself could be identified and logged as well as the originating IP address.

If there is no motive, then why go to all the trouble of setting up and using a VPN? Perhaps there is another scam doing the rounds that doesn't need access to lucrative welcome bonuses several times per player in order to be profitable.

I have looked at what a VPN is, and it seems pretty hard to set one up "by accident", especially as most require a subscription to be taken out. I initially thought it was something a user could set up themselves by reconfiguring their own machines, or through using a readily available "black box" piece of software much like a "free antivirus" that can be used for extra protection even though the user would have almost no idea how the technology actually worked.

 

[suzecat]

When this subject has come up before, the members suggested before you leave your normal IP and travel to another, you notify the casino of your travel plans and keep a copy of your notice to the casino. That way these situations are covered and VPN questions never are raised.

 

[Casinomeister]

Hi all,

Let's not speculate here, ok? This was a PAB that went dead in the water two years ago. And just now the PABer has shown up to try to get this resolved. And she is a she - not a he, right?

 

[dunover]

It depends on the logs. If he logged in from India at 9am, America at 10:30am, and then Russia at midday, then the innocent explanations do not really work, and it's most probable that these are the signs of a player who is playing from behind a VPN. This is either a player who has contracted a severe bout of paranoia after having been infected before with a computer virus, or there is some other scheme afoot that does not involve the obvious, such as claiming a "once only" bonus several times without being easily detected.

It was determined that the same computer was used, so either this is just the casino stating the "bleedin' obvious", or it's a player who mistakenly thought the VPN would effectively prevent the casino from knowing it was the same player, and got caught out through not realising that the machine itself could be identified and logged as well as the originating IP address.

If there is no motive, then why go to all the trouble of setting up and using a VPN? Perhaps there is another scam doing the rounds that doesn't need access to lucrative welcome bonuses several times per player in order to be profitable.

I have looked at what a VPN is, and it seems pretty hard to set one up "by accident", especially as most require a subscription to be taken out. I initially thought it was something a user could set up themselves by reconfiguring their own machines, or through using a readily available "black box" piece of software much like a "free antivirus" that can be used for extra protection even though the user would have almost no idea how the technology actually worked.

.....he must've somehow got Concorde airborne again....

 

[gagamel]

Hi all,

Let's not speculate here, ok? This was a PAB that went dead in the water two years ago. And just now the PABer has shown up to try to get this resolved. And she is a she - not a he, right?

He or she is from germany. Maybe he or she don`t know the difference with he or she, lots of germans make a mistake with it.

But, as I stated before, there is much more in this case as this Shemale thing.

I`m sure that Chan has a little secret.