Feedback Casinomeister's open door policy

[paul7388]

Thanks peeps. I am getting some helpful responses here.

As for the report a post thingy, it is used way less often than some of you are thinking. Looking at this month's reported posts, I think a number of you probably believe there are more problems than what there really is..

This month Oct. (which is nearly over) - 23 reported posts.

6 = spam
7 = misc (posted in wrong forum, heads up about a rep needing to reply, testing something that may have been broken - other innocuous posts)
10 = member complaints about someone's posting style or behavior, troll posts - whatever.

So in perspective the reporting feature is used more for taking care of the forum - members assisting us - it is not used primarily to complain about joe blow (unless he's a spammer).

For a forum this size and with this much activity - that is saying a lot.

Lol the figures might be a bit wrong this month as Ben was banned the first 2 weeks and has been on good behaviour since coming back

Love to see how many reports were on one of his bad months.

 

[Kroffe]

Lol the figures might be a bit wrong this month as Ben was banned the first 2 weeks and has been on good behaviour since coming back

Love to see how many reports were on one of his bad months.

Reported for assuming Ben gets alot of reports.

 

[Kroffe]

Oh, while we are talking about reports.
Can the mods see how many reports my posts have collected?
And if you can, could you tell me? @Casinomeister
Im curious. =)

 

[Jono777]

unsure if overuse of gifs is against any rules so I'd say you're all good

 

[sufferinsilence]

Actually the political threads on here are quite civil compared to other places, which is why I engage in discussion here rather than somewhere else.

I agree there's some unnecessary personal digs going on and I sometimes partake in that, I'd like to apologise if anyone has felt personally attacked and hurt by it and will try to keep on topic. But I think in general it has been alright lately.

 

[paul7388]

Actually the political threads on here are quite civil compared to other places, which is why I engage in discussion here rather than somewhere else.

I agree there's some unnecessary personal digs going on and I sometimes partake in that, I'd like to apologise if anyone has felt personally attacked and hurt by it and will try to keep on topic. But I think in general it has been alright lately.

Well i was devastated and an emotional wreck by your comments.

But apology accepted.

 

[greylady]

God I am such a laid back amenable chick usually but you come across as arrogant, self righteous, demeaning or even downright crass and my hackles come up - don't say you were not warned

 

[L&L-Jan]

This month Oct. (which is nearly over) - 23 reported posts.

6 = spam
7 = misc (posted in wrong forum, heads up about a rep needing to reply, testing something that may have been broken - other innocuous posts)
10 = member complaints about someone's posting style or behavior, troll posts - whatever.

So in perspective the reporting feature is used more for taking care of the forum - members assisting us - it is not used primarily to complain about joe blow (unless he's a spammer).

How many were for me?

 

[Kroffe]

unsure if overuse of gifs is against any rules so I'd say you're all good

A picture is worth a thousand words.
So a gif is like 50 000 words.

 

[colinsunderland]

Oh, while we are talking about reports.
Can the mods see how many reports my posts have collected?
And if you can, could you tell me? @Casinomeister
Im curious. =)

Last I checked, you were on 2664 reports

 

[cncas2123]

Personally I think yes create a separate room and let the adults be adults , it won’t stop me calling out BS when I see BS.

 

[Scott1baird]

How many were for me?

All of them lol. But for me it's getting harder and harder to participate in anything anymore, I haven't done a single thing to anybody that I wasn't pmed about personally, I haven't taken any advantages of anything, but now when I enter a topic recently I seem to get targeted for some sort of abuse or trolling behaviour. Yeah I won some prizes over the time I have been here, that's what comps are for winning or loosing taking part but to be accused of manipulating or cheating them being called names is a bit too far to put up with. It really gets annoying and a lot of you know that I tend to bite when poked hard enough. Perhaps the mods could actually work on stuff like this aswell meaning the targeting off members by other members and say to them in a pm (prove it).

 

[geordiecolin]

To whom it may concern: I'm well aware that some of the posts here identify me specifically as part of the problem -- in particular @colinsunderland and @geordiecolin -- often based on specific incidents that i've precipitated.

Please know that I'm happy to address those issues, individually would probably be best, but out of respect to Bryan's original topic and the importance of keeping that from being derailed I don't think this is the time and maybe not the place.

Assuming the relevant parties aren't going anywhere all I feel comfortable saying here now is "we'll get to it".

I am more than happy to have drawn a line under recent events Max. I strongly believe that CM should have a policy of addressing the post and not the poster when it comes to inflammatory comments.
I don't care either way about the more contentious threads being shut down

 

[mina1929]

This thread is great

Everybody friends again, love and respect all around

 

[greylady]

This thread is great

Everybody friends again, love and respect all around ❤❤❤

Now where are my boxing gloves

 

[Playford7]

Now where are my boxing gloves

Want to lend Isabelle’s pink ones?.

 

[greylady]

Want to lend Isabelle’s pink ones?.

Pink clashes with my hair

 

[Playford7]

Pink clashes with my hair

So precious lol

 

[geordiecolin]

A few questions.
Does anybody have an issue with introducing a policy of addressing the post and not the poster?
If so why?
That includes the moderators opinions

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Oh, while we are talking about reports.
Can the mods see how many reports my posts have collected?
And if you can, could you tell me? @Casinomeister
Im curious. =)

You once posted without a GIF attached. Suffice to say, I reported.

 

[dionysus]

You once posted without a GIF attached. Suffice to say, I reported.

it's near clocking November
Maybe hibernation mode is setting in

(yes, bear, torpor)

 

[Kroffe]

You once posted without a GIF attached. Suffice to say, I reported.

I deserved it.
But the anti-gif mafia has been gunning for me a long time.
They even went so far as to reduce the size-limits on gifs, thats blocking my freedoom of speech.
The worst part is that this thing is much bigger than i first thought, it goes all the way to the top.

Luckily im much too clever to get caught.
You cant catch what you cant see.

 

[Playford7]

You once posted without a GIF attached. Suffice to say, I reported.

Totally agree.

Standards are slipping and this is the most serious thing I’ve seen on here, Not sure what bans are and reports etc...

I’m a changed man, but can’t have this behaviour... I’ll get into Bryan about this after work tomorrow as a matter of urgency.

 

[maxd]

Does anybody have an issue with introducing a policy of addressing the post and not the poster?

If the poster is the problem then addressing the post is missing the point.
For most people though it's a perfectly respectable approach and what we'd normally do.

 

[geordiecolin]

If the poster is the problem then addressing the post is missing the point.

If the poster is unable to stick by that simple rule then they know the consequence

 

[maxd]

If the poster is unable to stick by that simple rule then they know the consequence

If the consequences are unknown then the simple rule doesn't stick.
...
Sorry, I have no idea what you meant, just thought I'd contribute something equally cryptic.

 

[geordiecolin]

If the consequences are unknown then the simple rule doesn't stick.
...
Sorry, I have no idea what you meant, just thought I'd contribute something equally cryptic.

Max there is nothing cryptic about it. If your serious about addressing the issues in this site then addressing the post and not the poster would be recognised in any language

 

[maxd]

Sorry but you don't set the terms of "serious about addressing the issues".
I repeat, if the poster is the problem then banging on about individual posts is missing the point.

Most people are generally willing to respect the site rules and if they suddenly happen to screw up, no problem: you point out the issue, they respect -- or at least abide by -- what you have to say, and it's usually "job done".

Example: regular member posts now and again, suddenly one post is way off. You bring it up, the problem goes away, forum life goes on. Obviously addressing the post in this case was exactly the right thing to do.

Once in a while though someone is dead set against respecting the site rules, for reasons best known to themselves I suppose. In any case those situations -- once they've revealed themselves to be such which usually takes some time -- require a very different approach.

Example: forum member repeatedly posts objectionable material, be it abuse of other forum members or whatever, basically Forum Rules violations over and over again. Warnings don't work, Infractions don't work, temporary bans don't work, taking the person aside and explaining that the way things are going is not going to end well doesn't work either.

So this is clearly not a problem of this post or that post. This is a problem of said person having no respect for the rules, showing no intention of ever doing so, and basically telling you -- the forum management -- to get stuffed. Since this is not an "address the post" situation treating it as if it were would be a massive time suck and, ultimately, a recipe for an ulcer for the simple reason that it's never going to work: the person knows full well what you are asking of them, they just choose to ignore it.

Here, unfortunately, the poster is the problem and dealing with that head-on is pretty much the only thing that's going to keep the peace and -- also very important -- keep them from poisoning the site with their disruptive BS. At best one can say that the site and said person aren't a good match for each other and it would probably be best if they found somewhere else to be who they want to be.

Think of it like a bunch of people in a bar: if one of them insists on being abusive and disruptive and won't listen to requests that they dial it down -- basically showing no interest in behaving in a socially acceptable manner -- then escorting them to the door is probably the best thing.

Different problems, different solutions. It's the way of the world and forum management is no different.

 

[geordiecolin]

Sorry but you don't set the terms of "serious about addressing the issues".
I repeat, if the poster is the problem then banging on about individual posts is missing the point.

Most people are generally willing to respect the site rules and if they suddenly happen to screw up, no problem: you point out the issue, they respect -- or at least abide by -- what you have to say, and it's usually "job done".

Example: regular member posts now and again, suddenly one post is way off. You bring it up, the problem goes away, forum life goes on. Obviously addressing the post in this case was exactly the right thing to do.

Once in a while though someone is dead set against respecting the site rules, for reasons best known to themselves I suppose. In any case those situations -- once they've revealed themselves to be such which usually takes some time -- require a very different approach.

Example: forum member repeatedly posts objectionable material, be it abuse of other forum members or whatever, basically Forum Rules violations over and over again. Warnings don't work, Infractions don't work, temporary bans don't work, taking the person aside and explaining that the way things are going is not going to end well doesn't work either.

So this is clearly not a problem of this post or that post. This is a problem of said person having no respect for the rules, showing no intention of ever doing so, and basically telling you -- the forum management -- to get stuffed. Since this is not an "address the post" situation treating it as if it were would be a massive time suck and, ultimately, a recipe for an ulcer for the simple reason that it's never going to work: the person knows full well what you are asking of them, they just choose to ignore it.

Here, unfortunately, the poster is the problem and dealing with that head-on is pretty much the only thing that's going to keep the peace and -- also very important -- keep them from poisoning the site with their disruptive BS. At best one can say that the site and said person aren't a good match for each other and it would probably be best if they found somewhere else to be who they want to be.

Think of it like a bunch of people in a bar: if one of them insists on being abusive and disruptive and won't listen to requests that they dial it down -- basically showing no interest in behaving in a socially acceptable manner -- then escorting them to the door is probably the best thing.

Different problems, different solutions. It's the way of the world and forum management is no different.

 

[geordiecolin]

You are clearly not understanding what I am talking about Max. When I finish work-if you want me too- I will come back to this. You seem to be angry?

 

[The Dude]

You are clearly not understanding what I am talking about Max. When I finish work-if you want me too- I will come back to this. You seem to be angry?

Wha?? No anger there whatsoever. Max was explaining how we deal with the complex issues of forum moderation.

 

[maxd]

You are clearly not understanding what I am talking about .. You seem to be angry?

Feel free to clarify, at your convenience.

Angry? Not at all, but thank you for your concern. Do take note of what I've said though SVP, it will help all of us resolve the issues at hand if you do.

 

[The Dude]

I should add that the purpose of this thread was to encourage those folks who feel forced into lurking because of being turned off, or a bad vibe, or that they feel bullied, or whatever, to contact me via PM ....so far zero folks have come forward.

 

[Jono777]

To be fair Bryan, I'm unsure PM was ever going to happen.

More likely people will want to post publicly and 'let off steam' or air their grievances for all to see, maybe??

I think if your ready to ride a possible shit storm, tell members to go for it in this thread (of course abiding to the rules at the same time) and you may get a much better response

Just my 2c

 

[geordiecolin]

This is a prime example of attacking the poster instead of the post.

"Of FFS mack.... this is KGB textbook disinformation. Are you that blinkered that you cannot see that?

Not a single person outside the MAGA cult had a part in getting the material. None. Bannon, Guiliani, the shop owner a fervent Mr T supporter.

E.g. Ghouliani's attorney says that he got the hard disk in Sep 2020. Ghouliani forwarded emails that he himself converted to PDF in Sep and Oct 2019. About a year before he supposedly got his hands on the harddrive.

I said it earlier, the entire MAGA cult is too stupid to propagate a phoney story because they change their story every time and also seem to be total amateurs when it comes to digital stuff. Who leaves Metadata in a file when trying to cover up his/her tracks?

Won't post anything further about this, not worth my time. But keep running with it mack, have fun! "

This is addressing the post

"
This is KGB textbook disinformation.

Not a single person outside the MAGA cult had a part in getting the material. None. Bannon, Guiliani, the shop owner a fervent Mr T supporter.

E.g. Ghouliani's attorney says that he got the hard disk in Sep 2020. Ghouliani forwarded emails that he himself converted to PDF in Sep and Oct 2019. About a year before he supposedly got his hands on the harddrive.

I said it earlier, the entire MAGA cult is too stupid to propagate a phoney story because they change their story every time and also seem to be total amateurs when it comes to digital stuff. Who leaves Metadata in a file when trying to cover up his/her tracks?

Won't post anything further about this, not worth my time. "

Many of us are guilty of it. Baiting,belittling,trolling and inciting animosity would largely be eradicated if an attack the post and not the poster rule was applied.
That would make the forum a much friendlier and safer place to post in.

 

[dionysus]

I'm....so lost now

I..think..many people had a chance to vent. Threads seem mostly on track.
Bryan has an ear bent for gripes.


2020 is rough....ROUGH...for many.


More love, less dislikes, yeah?
Let's finish the year out looking forward

 

[mack341]

I'm....so lost now

I..think..many people had a chance to vent. Threads seem mostly on track.
Bryan has an ear bent for gripes.


2020 is rough....ROUGH...for many.


More love, less dislikes, yeah?
Let's finish the year out looking forward

The problem has not gone away, though things do seem a bit politer in the NK thread atm, but time and again shows some people [a few] just have no self-control if they disagree with a viewpoint, and will make things personal deliberately with malice intended.

I understand it's not always an easy balance to strike between members having free expression and pulling them up on things, but GC's example above is a classic, there is clear intention to demean and provoke/ goading.

 

[dionysus]

The problem has not gone away, things do seem a bit politer in the NK thread, but some people just have no self control if they disagree with a viewpoint, and will make things personal deliberately with malice intended.

I understand it's not always an easy balance to strike between members having free expression and pulling them up on things but GC's example above is a classic, there is clear intention to demean and provoke/ goading.

my best, advice, barring an ignore, is simply 'ignore' on board - move past, share your views
As I've said, I might not agree with them.
But I enjoy reading them

It's a great, big forum to stress one or 2 people
You can share without engaging

 

[mack341]

my best, advice, barring an ignore, is simply 'ignore' on board - move past, share your views
As I've said, I might not agree with them.
But I enjoy reading them

It's a great, big forum to stress one or 2 people
You can share without engaging

You see I disagree, I've already used the ignore option for two members, how many members does one have to have on ignore in place of either a small bit of moderation and or civility?

 

[Harry_BKK]

The problem has not gone away, though things do seem a bit politer in the NK thread atm, but time and again shows some people [a few] just have no self-control if they disagree with a viewpoint, and will make things personal deliberately with malice intended.

I understand it's not always an easy balance to strike between members having free expression and pulling them up on things, but GC's example above is a classic, there is clear intention to demean and provoke/ goading.

This is a prime example of attacking the poster instead of the post.

"Of FFS mack.... this is KGB textbook disinformation. Are you that blinkered that you cannot see that?

Not a single person outside the MAGA cult had a part in getting the material. None. Bannon, Guiliani, the shop owner a fervent Mr T supporter.

E.g. Ghouliani's attorney says that he got the hard disk in Sep 2020. Ghouliani forwarded emails that he himself converted to PDF in Sep and Oct 2019. About a year before he supposedly got his hands on the harddrive.

I said it earlier, the entire MAGA cult is too stupid to propagate a phoney story because they change their story every time and also seem to be total amateurs when it comes to digital stuff. Who leaves Metadata in a file when trying to cover up his/her tracks?

Won't post anything further about this, not worth my time. But keep running with it mack, have fun! "

This is addressing the post

"
This is KGB textbook disinformation.

Not a single person outside the MAGA cult had a part in getting the material. None. Bannon, Guiliani, the shop owner a fervent Mr T supporter.

E.g. Ghouliani's attorney says that he got the hard disk in Sep 2020. Ghouliani forwarded emails that he himself converted to PDF in Sep and Oct 2019. About a year before he supposedly got his hands on the harddrive.

I said it earlier, the entire MAGA cult is too stupid to propagate a phoney story because they change their story every time and also seem to be total amateurs when it comes to digital stuff. Who leaves Metadata in a file when trying to cover up his/her tracks?

Won't post anything further about this, not worth my time. "

Many of us are guilty of it. Baiting,belittling,trolling and inciting animosity would largely be eradicated if an attack the post and not the poster rule was applied.
That would make the forum a much friendlier and safer place to post in for those who just want a relaxing place to visit

No worries guys, I got the message. I'm out.

No need to answer, won't read the them. Will take me a few days to redirect my PM conversations that are related to my work to other channels, after that you won't see me again.

You can have then your perfect conversations. Enjoy!

Stay Well and Farewell!

 

[geordiecolin]

You see I disagree, I've already used the ignore option for two members, how many members does one have to have on ignore in place of either a small bit of moderation and or civility?

It is a pretty simple rule that would not take too much enforcing once everybody got the message. It is a permanent fix that would see both old and new posters increase traffic
A short ban to cool off for any member who knows the rules and breaks them and longer for repeated offenders. It will soon stop.

 

[geordiecolin]

No worries guys, I got the message. I'm out.

No need to answer, won't read the them. Will take me a few days to redirect my PM conversations that are related to my work to other channels, after that you won't see me again.

You can have then your perfect conversations. Enjoy!

Stay Well and Farewell!

Don't take it too personally Harry. I fully admit my part in it

 

[mack341]

No worries guys, I got the message. I'm out.

No need to answer, won't read the them. Will take me a few days to redirect my PM conversations that are related to my work to other channels, after that you won't see me again.

You can have then your perfect conversations. Enjoy!

Stay Well and Farewell!

That's a real shame if you think this restricts your posting so much that you have to leave, I have never put you on ignore as have enjoyed most of the debates/discussions we had, [and just reading your posts in general across the board's topics] but there has to be a certain amount of civility if you disagree with someone.

 

[ternur]

No worries guys, I got the message. I'm out.

No need to answer, won't read the them. Will take me a few days to redirect my PM conversations that are related to my work to other channels, after that you won't see me again.

You can have then your perfect conversations. Enjoy!

Stay Well and Farewell!

I wish you'll reconsider Harry. I'd hate to see you gone from the forum.

Personalities and messages clash sometimes.

There's room for every one of us here. I sincerely believe so.

 

[dionysus]

That's a big loss on both fronts as youre both incredibly, well-spoken people

I hope you both continue to contribute mack and Harry

The disagreements are so, so, very small, it cant possibly be a deal-breaker

 

[mack341]

That's a big loss on both fronts as youre both incredibly, well-spoken people

I hope you both continue to contribute mack and Harry

The disagreements are so, so, very small, it cant possibly be a deal-breaker

Harry contributes and has contributed much more than me, across all sorts of topics, even though we disagree a fair bit, I wouldn't want him to leave at all.

 

[geordiecolin]

Harry contributes and has contributed much more than me, across all sorts of topics, even though we disagree a fair bit, I wouldn't want him to leave at all.

This thread is an opportunity to iron forum issues out not to alienate and lose members.

 

[mina1929]

No one leave please

@Harry_BKK and @mack341 both totally different people with different views also both respected

 

[Steviedoo]

it seems it’s pick on @Harry_BKK week...

don’t go Harry, the forum won’t be the same...besides the political threads...you bring much more than that...well informed posts on a lot of things....

 

[Playford7]

@Harry_BKK
Don’t be so absurd, even I value your opinions, whether I agree is utterly irrelevant.

Your a smart guy and this forum would be a poorer place without you, you helped me whilst I was in a dark place a few years back and always remembered you took the time to help me.

just as people disagree doesn’t mean we can’t get along fine.

I’ve never reported anyone nor wished they would ever leave, that to me is bullying as you don’t agree so you want that person shut down and cancelled.

for what it’s worth I’d be gutted if you left, genuinely.