Casino Club closed account of 167'500 JACKPOT winner

[Kodi]

i found this yesterday:

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[The Dude]

i found this yesterday:

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Please refrain from merely posting links to other forums. That's considered bad forum etiquette and all you'll do is piss the members off.

You need to summarize a conversation or issue to give the membership something to discuss.

Also it's a German language forum - which maybe pertains to about 5% of our membership.

Also it's unwise to open more than one account on this forum to issue complaints against casinos. You'll get caught out. Bye.

 

[dominique]

Did you read the whole thing?

The winning player posted once, long after the event, and then never replied again.

I wonder about those screenshots - thats a lot of money to just let slide if the claim is legitimate.

He apparently constantly revisited the forum but never answered any additional questions from people who wanted to help.

PS.

OOps Bryan, simultaneous posting.

 

[The Dude]

Here's the thing. Casino Club has been getting hit up by a number of fraudsters and bot players over the past few months. Mostly from Germany, Poland, Belgium, and the UK. Some have used this forum to attempt to blackmail the casino into submission. I won't stand for it.

Recently Kodi has been PMing me - hoping that I'll relook at a fraudulent claim (a member - BrejeSwa - used a bot - and admitted it) he wanted both of his deposits back instead of the one he received.

Like I'm going to help someone who lied to not only the casino, but to me and Max. Some nerve.

The PAB system and this forum is being abused in a bad way - and I'm fed up with it. Here we have Kodi who has opened a second account in this forum to PAB against Metro Casino. This is strictly against the forum rules.

One account - period - unless it's okayed by me.

 

[The Dude]

Did you read the whole thing?...

I'm not going to bother with it. If it's legit, it can come over to me - or submitted to the licensing agency - or Boss Media for that matter. There are plenty of avenues of approach to handle this player's issue. As far as I'm concerned, it has no credence in this situation. It's just an attempt to besmirch Casino Club.

 

[dominique]

Well, it sounds like a scam anyways, I did read the whole thing.

It might be fun to dissect the screenshot in the first post there - chances are it's doctored.

 

[aka23]

Did you read the whole thing?

The winning player posted once, long after the event, and then never replied again.

I wonder about those screenshots - thats a lot of money to just let slide if the claim is legitimate.

He apparently constantly revisited the forum but never answered any additional questions from people who wanted to help.

I believe the player joined that forum in late November, several months after the incident. He started the thread on Dec 7th and replied back in the thread today (Dec 9th). It's reasonable that he did not post about it, on that forum in August, as he was not a member at that time.

From what I can gather with my poor German skills, it sounds like someone is in contact with CC and looking into it, and some key information about the incident will be revealed in the future.

 

[Zodiac]

Hi Folks,

i must say something about this Thread.

It's correct that this is posted at our forum and for all of us it's an unbelievable story.

I don't know who the user kodi is and i wonder why this user posted here, because i'm in contact with the OP Manager about this issue.

I also not recommended anyone, to go to CM and post there in this issue.


@aka23 your german is not poor you are reading absolutely correct

@ Bryan i sent you a copy about this via pm and asked for your opinion, the Rep got the same.

Sorry, that should not have been happen to post.

 

[Zodiac]

additional information:

This banned user Kodi, is not the user that had posted at our forum.

The user where has generate the original thread is realplayer and he also joined a few days ago with this user name into here.

 

[The Dude]

additional information:

This banned user Kodi, is not the user that had posted at our forum.

The user where has generate the original thread is realplayer and he also joined a few days ago with this user name into here.

Then we patiently await his PAB.

 

[Zodiac]

How i said i'm in contact with the rep here and today i got some more informations from him.

He said that he will contact him and i like to let this open, because this story seems to have a bigger size and he can't tell me unfortunately more in this case.

This informations i got i must reproach the player first and look what he say.


Holy Wholy recently this storys heaps itself

 

[elscrabinda]

Looking forward to hearing the details about this case. If it turns out there really was fraudulent behaviour going on and the player isn't allowed the funds, its worth making sure the jackpot finds its way back into the game instead of being pocketed by Casinoclub

 

[Rusty]

Looking forward to hearing the details about this case. If it turns out there really was fraudulent behaviour going on and the player isn't allowed the funds, its worth making sure the jackpot finds its way back into the game instead of being pocketed by Casinoclub

Was it a progressive jackpot or just a big hit?
I am curious also as to what the fraud might have been.
There is a lot of money involved in this one.

 

[elscrabinda]

Was it a progressive jackpot or just a big hit?
I am curious also as to what the fraud might have been.
There is a lot of money involved in this one.

progressive jackpot

 

[Zodiac]

progressive jackpot

right, it was exactly hit the Jackpot Poker 5

 

[elscrabinda]

Any news on this? The jackpot amount has not yet been returned to the Casino Club jackpot pool.

 

[thelawnet]

Did you read the whole thing?

The winning player posted once, long after the event, and then never replied again.

I wonder about those screenshots - thats a lot of money to just let slide if the claim is legitimate.

The jackpot was definitely hit. I remember it at the time, because I was playing it. As to *who* hit it, it's not known.

I cannot see how you can improperly hit a jackpot, but if it was fraud, the money belongs to the players, not the casino, and should be added back to the jackpot.

It's important to realise the difference between a progressive jackpot and a normal one. A normal jackpot is paid by the casino. So if a player comes to the casino with a screwdriver and fiddles with the machine and hits the jackpot first spin, they are cheating the casino. But if they do the same on a progressive they are cheating the players. The players should get their money back.

It does not belong to the casino, they have misappropriated 142,000 profit on top of the profit made from the game itself (which is 0.5% at the least, but more like 5% in practice because the players are chasing the jackpot).

Any non-payment of progressive jackpots should result in IMMEDIATE return of the money to the jackpot pool.

Assuming this player did win the jackpot, there are two options:

1. the player should be paid (most likely IMO)
2. the player should not be paid, and the money should be returned to the jackpot.

Otherwise this is very serious rogue behaviour on a massive scale.

If casinos can get added to the rogue pit for terminating affiliate agreements, what should happen if they make off with 142,000 of player funds!??!

 

[thelawnet]

From that I can make out, the player did win the jackpot, but the casino is claiming he is a long-time 'abuser'. No idea what that means:

Dieser Spieler CLB ...... ist ein alter missbruchlicher Spieler an Kasinoklub.
Sein Konto ist fr eine lange Zeit und gesetzliche Verfahren geschlossen worden, die gegen ihn eingeleitet wurden.

Dies war vor Monaten und wir haben von Ihm seit
unser Rechtsanwalt Ihm eine Postnotifikation geschickt hat, nichts mehr gehrt.

Dies ist das erste mal, das ich von Ihm seitdem
hre.

'This player CLB is a long-time abusive player at Casino Club. His account has been open a long time, and legal proceedings have been issued against him.

This happened months ago and this is the first we have heard from him.'

I'm not sure what this means, but it's appears that Casino Club have stolen 142,000 of player funds.

The player says he contacted a lawyer to sue them in Germany but the lawyer said he had to do so in Malta.

As we have seen Malta is a joke and refuge of casinos that do whatever they like with no fear of reproach.

The proof of the jackpot is here.

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Casino Club have stolen this money.

 

[zenderady]

as i don't speak german i used google translator to read the thread.
this is a quote from the player that had his winnings denied:

"Casino Club next only tells tales.

Communication by Max: My PAB at Casino Meister has been closed since CC claimed any legal proceedings initiated against me to have because of fraud.
That is all lies. So I would be the first of these experiences but nothing has happened since 4 months. There is still no reason why CC is ~ 200 thousand of me has einverleibt."

make whatever you want of it

 

[SteveCut]

So this known "long term abuser" was allowed to continue to play - until he won!

 

[sdaddy]

Even if this player was a fraudster, I completely agree with the previous poster that this does not give Casino Club any right to the jackpot winnings.

I really think the casino needs to explain what happened here before we can move on.

 

[thelawnet]

Even if this player was a fraudster, I completely agree with the previous poster that this does not give Casino Club any right to the jackpot winnings.

I really think the casino needs to explain what happened here before we can move on.

BTW, the Casino Club explanation that the player is a long-time abuser and they are taking him to court is laughable. He's apparently owed 200k, not the other way round!

Besides which, the phrase 'long-time abuser' doesn't make much sense to me. If a player is abusive, whatever that means, you stop them in the short-term.....

 

[Simmo!]

Casino Club is on Boss Media. I though the progressives were network-wide and both managed and paid by Boss, not Casino Club? Is that not right?

 

[tofu23]

Casino Club have proven over and over to be the worst of the worst rogue online casino operator across the planet - and I include the RTG rogues who habitually pay late rather than not at all.

In the recent past no less than 2 Casino Club critical threads have been prematurely closed. It is with anticipation that players now look upon the fate of this thread and the management of Casino Club's continued membership of the "accredited list."

The accreditation of outfits such as casino Club and the likes of Fortune Lounge is a reminder to players writ large to perform your own due diligence and take responsibility for your own fate when gaming online. Listening to the broad voice of players across multiple gaming forums renders the aforementioned a particularly poor online gaming choice. You play at great risk and with zero confidence that payment will ensue on cash-out.

Alternatives such as InterCasino, 32RED, Roxy Palace have NEVER been the subject of non-payment complaints. Strange how these establishments seem to escape the attention of "organised fraud groups" that continually dog the likes of Casino Club and Fortune Lounge.

 

[chuchu59]

While I am not too pleased myself with Casino Club and FL they are still a far cry from the RTG and Playtech rogues or near-rogues. Taking a swipe at the accreditation system for this very reason is not too fair IMO. All players must be prepared to perform his/her own due diligence but for newbies this is no easy task. Where will you go to search for info? The forums? Google? At the very least the accredited list has provided many players who are new to online gaming or have been screwed a couple of times by rogue casinos with some decent casinos to chose from and which makes their gaming experience more enjoyable. If an inexperienced player was only able to rely on himself to choose a casino to play at, I strongly believe that the odds of him getting screwed especially over payments is likely to be far, far greater than playing at a casino from the accredited list.

There are still forums/websites that promote Virtual or a number of the Playtech rogues. Dont you think that the newbies could be easily misled?

 

[spearmaster]

In the recent past no less than 2 Casino Club critical threads have been prematurely closed. It is with anticipation that players now look upon the fate of this thread and the management of Casino Club's continued membership of the "accredited list."

Kind of irrelevant - considering that one went way off course, while the other was a discussion of location where it turns out the OP was a disgruntled former employee of Casino Club.

I won't hesitate to close this one either if it veers too far off track - but rest assured that I have no say whatsoever in the accreditation process and that I remain convinced that there is nothing wrong with bots.

 

[The Dude]

Admin Note: Troll warning

Casino Club have proven over and over to be the worst of the worst rogue online casino operator across the planet - and I include the RTG rogues who habitually pay late rather than not at all.

In the recent past no less than 2 Casino Club critical threads have been prematurely closed. It is with anticipation that players now look upon the fate of this thread and the management of Casino Club's continued membership of the "accredited list."

The accreditation of outfits such as casino Club and the likes of Fortune Lounge is a reminder to players writ large to perform your own due diligence and take responsibility for your own fate when gaming online. Listening to the broad voice of players across multiple gaming forums renders the aforementioned a particularly poor online gaming choice. You play at great risk and with zero confidence that payment will ensue on cash-out.

Alternatives such as InterCasino, 32RED, Roxy Palace have NEVER been the subject of non-payment complaints. Strange how these establishments seem to escape the attention of "organised fraud groups" that continually dog the likes of Casino Club and Fortune Lounge.

More spewage from Tofu23.

Tofu23 - you are a troll.

I've perused the last several months of your posts, and nearly each one of them falls into the category of trollness:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/

1.14 - No Trolls. From Wikipedia: "A Troll is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion." Trolls will be waterboarded, and their accounts will be permanently disabled.

Your posts either take jabs at me or the moderators, the Accredited List, or other members. This will be your only warning - take heed.

Either you participate in this forum like an adult or take a hike. Your choice.

As for the other two threads that were closed. 1) dealt with the bot situation. This complaint was resolved thus the thread was closed. If you want to begin a new thread on bots - have at it - no problem. 2) dealt with a disgruntled ex-employee who was using the forum to libel this casino. It was a BS thread, thus closed.

 

[elscrabinda]

Casino Club is on Boss Media. I though the progressives were network-wide and both managed and paid by Boss, not Casino Club? Is that not right?

Casino Club operate theirs independently. If they were part of a larger network I'm sure confiscating the money wouldn't be an option for them.

 

[KasinoKing]

Alternatives such as InterCasino, 32RED, Roxy Palace have NEVER been the subject of non-payment complaints. Strange how these establishments seem to escape the attention of "organised fraud groups" that continually dog the likes of Casino Club and Fortune Lounge.

Despite your chastisement from CasinoMeister I think this is a very good & valid point.

KK

 

[The Dude]

Despite your chastisement from CasinoMeister I think this is a very good & valid point.

KK

And if anyone wants to continue with this topic, then it ought to be dealt with in a different thread. Tofu is derailing this one.

 

[zenderady]

casinomeister.. the guy on the forum said that you have ceased looking into this matter because CC said they took legal action against him. Is that true, is the investigation on this PAB still going on?

 

[The Dude]

casinomeister.. the guy on the forum said that you have ceased looking into this matter because CC said they took legal action against him. Is that true, is the investigation on this PAB still going on?

Just double checking this now (I've been out for a couple of weeks more or less) - yes, this is true. Apparently the casino is taking legal action against this player who has misrepresented himself (and his PAB for that matter). From what I gather, he has given a false address so it's difficult to send him the legal papers.

Max told the guy that we were putting his PAB on hold until the legal stuff is cleared up. But since it looks as though this is ANOTHER case of player fraud at CC, we've suspended his account.

 

[elscrabinda]

Obviously for the players sake (if he is being wrongly accused) I want every effort made to make sure that CC are justified in not paying him, but once the investigations etc have run their course, presumably you agree Bryan that this money does not belong to Casino Club and should be either paid to the player or returned to the jackpot pool?

 

[The Dude]

Obviously for the players sake (if he is being wrongly accused) I want every effort made to make sure that CC are justified in not paying him, but once the investigations etc have run their course, presumably you agree Bryan that this money does not belong to Casino Club and should be either paid to the player or returned to the jackpot pool?

I believe the casino's legal reps will ensure that the player is dealt with fairly. If players feel that casinos are fair game to commit fraud just because it's "cyber", well...maybe it's time for a wakeup call. The player is in Germany - so are the lawyers. If the player truly feels he is in the right, there are ways to LEGALLY go about this. One way to NOT go about it is to spew spewage on public forums thinking the casino will "cave" in order to protect its reputation.

We're talking a lot of cash here, and if this player was 100% in the right, I know some good German lawyers who would take this on with no problem. But in this situation, I don't think that is going to happen.

As for the missing jackpot, we're still waiting for a response on that from the casino.

 

[uungy]

Just double checking this now (I've been out for a couple of weeks more or less) - yes, this is true. Apparently the casino is taking legal action against this player who has misrepresented himself (and his PAB for that matter). From what I gather, he has given a false address so it's difficult to send him the legal papers.

Max told the guy that we were putting his PAB on hold until the legal stuff is cleared up. But since it looks as though this is ANOTHER case of player fraud at CC, we've suspended his account.

Can anyone explain this?

If he played, and won, what could be wrong? I hate to say this, but they dont seem to have any credibility, especially when we have just gone through with the bot saga

 

[The Dude]

Can anyone explain this?

If he played, and won, what could be wrong? I hate to say this, but they dont seem to have any credibility, especially when we have just gone through with the bot saga

The bot saga proved that bots were being used. Not the other way around. And a funny thing...when newbie members began complaining over here about CC, these guys had multiple accounts in THIS forum.

What do you make of that?

So I don't know exactly why, but CC is a "player fraud magnet". And that is worthy of discussion.

Back to this issue - the casino rep has stated that this is out of his hands since this is a pending legal action.

The guy has not given the casino a legit address, and has not contacted their lawyers via email. For the record, Max forwarded the law firm's point of contact to the player - they want to talk with the guy, so this is strictly between this player and the casino. It's out of our hands.

If the player is not a fraud, then there should not be a problem - he'll get his money I'm sure.

 

[thelawnet]

Casino Club operate theirs independently. If they were part of a larger network I'm sure confiscating the money wouldn't be an option for them.

Twosixes.com has a euro boss casino. I haven't got any money there, but if somebody does (it's run by paddy power), perhaps they could check the jackpot level?

This would confirm whether this is in fact a 'boss jackpot', or simply a 'casino club jackpot'.

 

[elscrabinda]

Twosixes.com has a euro boss casino. I haven't got any money there, but if somebody does (it's run by paddy power), perhaps they could check the jackpot level?

This would confirm whether this is in fact a 'boss jackpot', or simply a 'casino club jackpot'.

Twosixes use the Boss-wide networks, Casinoclub do not.

 

[Casino Club]

Dear All,

I will try to give an answer to the many issues raised in this thread.

1. A player that was found to be, beyond any reasonable doubt, a fraudulent player, connected to a group of BOT and Bonus Abusers.
2. This player, and others connected to him, managed to "win" and withdraw considerable amounts of money from Casino Club during first half of 2008 (and earlier) through non-allowed gaming behavior.
3.Using money "won" in non-allowed gaming behavior, this player won a Jackpot in Casino Club.
4. Casino Club DOES NOT belong to the Boss Media Progressive circuit and therefore the amount of money won is an internal Casino Club issue.
5. At the same time period, a legal case was opened against this player, all related accounts closed pending a resolution of this case.
6. Likewise all money won in Jackpot is frozen pending resolution.
7. Casino Club is in constant contact with CM about this case.

I hope this answers all questions and doubts raised and quash all suspicions that Casino Club pockets JP money won by players (whether by lawful or unlawful ways).

 

[elscrabinda]

Thanks for your posting Casino Club but the way you skirted so carefully round the issue you must know that your answer doesn't reassure everyone.

Simple question- If you decide that the player will not be paid, will the jackpot be returned to the jackpot pool?

 

[uungy]

Dear All,

I will try to give an answer to the many issues raised in this thread.

1. A player that was found to be, beyond any reasonable doubt, a fraudulent player, connected to a group of BOT and Bonus Abusers.
2. This player, and others connected to him, managed to "win" and withdraw considerable amounts of money from Casino Club during first half of 2008 (and earlier) through non-allowed gaming behavior.
3.Using money "won" in non-allowed gaming behavior, this player won a Jackpot in Casino Club.
4. Casino Club DOES NOT belong to the Boss Media Progressive circuit and therefore the amount of money won is an internal Casino Club issue.
5. At the same time period, a legal case was opened against this player, all related accounts closed pending a resolution of this case.
6. Likewise all money won in Jackpot is frozen pending resolution.
7. Casino Club is in constant contact with CM about this case.

I hope this answers all questions and doubts raised and quash all suspicions that Casino Club pockets JP money won by players (whether by lawful or unlawful ways).

Thanks for coming on board this matter

First you say the problem is Bot playing, then you say fraudlent. Bot is not fraudlent, it may be against the terms, but not "fraud".

Secondly, I havent seen any bonus in Casino Club which consider this as a dissallowed game, besides for the fact that the software automatically keeps in touch what clears the wager, so I dont understand what the issue is. the player had 30K in his account before winning, so how can all that be voided?

Thirdly whats happening to the jackpot? Its frozen, and who gets it?

 

[Casino Club]

Thanks for your posting Casino Club but the way you skirted so carefully round the issue you must know that your answer doesn't reassure everyone.

Simple question- If you decide that the player will not be paid, will the jackpot be returned to the jackpot pool?

Following the legal resolution of this case, Casino Club will return the money in question to the JP pool.

 

[thelawnet]

Dear All,

I will try to give an answer to the many issues raised in this thread.

1. A player that was found to be, beyond any reasonable doubt, a fraudulent player, connected to a group of BOT and Bonus Abusers.
2. This player, and others connected to him, managed to "win" and withdraw considerable amounts of money from Casino Club during first half of 2008 (and earlier) through non-allowed gaming behavior.
3.Using money "won" in non-allowed gaming behavior, this player won a Jackpot in Casino Club.
4. Casino Club DOES NOT belong to the Boss Media Progressive circuit and therefore the amount of money won is an internal Casino Club issue.
5. At the same time period, a legal case was opened against this player, all related accounts closed pending a resolution of this case.
6. Likewise all money won in Jackpot is frozen pending resolution.
7. Casino Club is in constant contact with CM about this case.

I hope this answers all questions and doubts raised and quash all suspicions that Casino Club pockets JP money won by players (whether by lawful or unlawful ways).

Well we've still to see the jackpot go back to the players, so that's far from clear yet.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'connected to a group of players'. Players do not come in groups. Online gambling is a highly solitary activity, you cannot do it in groups. People can discuss tactics, join forums, etc., but that's not in itself bad. Obviously multiple players can do bad things, and communicate those bad things to each other, but that doesn't change the case against any one of them - it is only that they as an individual have done something bad. If you are alleging that the same player is using multiple fake ids, that's a different thing, but it's not clear that you are.

Apart from that, 'bonus abuse' is not a meaningful term. Players must have broken some specific term of the casino that can be easily described.

Obviously your terms are clear NOW that players are not allowed to use bots, and are not allowed to make no-risk bets, and that would probably be sufficient grounds to confiscate winnings.

But you are talking about activity 'in the first half of 2008 and earlier'.

Per your terms at y/e 2007, there was no ban on bots:

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So I am not sure when this was added. It might be tricky in any case to prove that the new terms were adequately communicated to the players, in a court of law you'd have to show that the player was, or should reasonably have been, aware that the terms (and you acknowledge he was a long-time player).

I'm still quite confused about what this player's alleged wrongdoings are supposed to have been.

Presumably you have paid out some sum of money to this player, I guess thousands, of tens of thousands of euros, and you want to get them back, because you believe he did not gain them properly. If there is a legal case, you must have actual specific allegations, which would be a matter of public record in the court records. What are they?

I would appreciate it if the player would come here and clarify these matters about how much he has received in the past from Casino Club and what they have alleged.

On the issue of the jackpot being added back to the progressive pool, if the player is not going to be paid his winnings , it should be added back ASAP. The issue of the legal claim AGAINST the player is for PREVIOUS winnings, and this doesn't affect the issue of the jackpot being returned.

Of course if the player is going to be paid the jackpot, then that's a separate issue. But unless he is going to sue Casino Club (rather than the other way round) I don't see that that is going to happen?

I'm of course confused about why the player has done nothing in four months to get paid this very large amount of money.....

 

[Simmo!]

Well we've still to see the jackpot go back to the players, so that's far from clear yet.

Following the legal resolution of this case, Casino Club will return the money in question to the JP pool.

I'd say that was pretty clear.

On the issue of the jackpot being added back to the progressive pool, if the player is not going to be paid his winnings , it should be added back ASAP. The issue of the legal claim AGAINST the player is for PREVIOUS winnings, and this doesn't affect the issue of the jackpot being returned.

Surely the whole purpose of a legal case is to establish whether or not the player is due his winnings. I can't see how they can add it back until that is resolved.

 

[soflat]

It makes no sense.

Why would a casino allow a player to withdraw considerable amounts of money during the first half of 2008 (and earlier) if he/she won it using non-allowed gaming behaviour?

 

[The Dude]

I'm not sure what you mean by 'connected to a group of players'. Players do not come in groups.

Actually they do. Especially when it is a handful of players opening hundreds of accounts at once. This has happened at FL and Bellerock a number of times. I'm not saying this is the case here, but that is a typical m.o. of fraudsters. You're talking about normal activity. This is not normal.

On the issue of the jackpot being added back to the progressive pool, if the player is not going to be paid his winnings , it should be added back ASAP. The issue of the legal claim AGAINST the player is for PREVIOUS winnings, and this doesn't affect the issue of the jackpot being returned..

I believe the casino already answered this. It won't be released until the legal proceedings are finalized.

I'm of course confused about why the player has done nothing in four months to get paid this very large amount of money.....

Who knows? The player won't give them an address to send the legal docs to, and he won't contact the lawyers via email.

So in essence a standstill.

By the way, why aren't you answering my PMs?

 

[tofu23]

The bot saga proved that bots were being used. Not the other way around.

So I don't know exactly why, but CC is a "player fraud magnet". And that is worthy of discussion.

It was categorically established that was NO bot play. Why do you insist on re-writing history? There was no evidence of Bot play in the most recent Casino Club saga where the extended 8 hour++ play logs were publicly examined (unless you are referring to some other matter that has escaped my attention).

And why should Casino Club be a "player fraud magnet"? It makes no logical sense. ALL online casinos are equally likely to be exposed to organised fraud and will equally take appropriate measures.

But the fact is Casino Club considers Bot play fraud - the vast majority of reputable online casinos do not!!. Since they won't listen to reason their claims of "fraud" will be continued to be taken with a deserved grain of salt. Their further claims of "bonus abuse" are simply not worthy of further comment and are received with justified contempt.

As to the matter of the subject player being reluctant to disclose his current whereabouts to Casino Club - I for one wouldn't blame him (and BTW - just where are Casino Club???). If Casino Club want to serve papers they can do that at the players nominated legal representatives offices as his standard legal practice.

In the meantime is it not time to remove Casino Club from the accredited list until this matter is satisfactorily resolved?

??

 

[spearmaster]

If Casino Club want to serve papers they can do that at the players nominated legal representatives offices as his standard legal practice.

Huh??

How many players do YOU know who nominate legal representatives? How do you know that this player nominated a legal representative?

 

[The Dude]

It was categorically established that was NO bot play. Why do you insist on re-writing history? There was no evidence of Bot play in the most recent Casino Club saga where the extended 8 hour++ play logs were publicly examined (unless you are referring to some other matter that has escaped my attention).

Please refer to my other posts concerning this matter before making careless comments. You've already been warned of being a troll. It would behoove you to carefully read everything I have written about Casino Club before continuing. I have spent an incredible amount of time (as well as Max) dealing with the PABs and complaints posted in this forum.

Here's the thing. Casino Club has been getting hit up by a number of fraudsters and bot players over the past few months. Mostly from Germany, Poland, Belgium, and the UK. Some have used this forum to attempt to blackmail the casino into submission. I won't stand for it.

Recently Kodi has been PMing me - hoping that I'll relook at a fraudulent claim (a member - BrejeSwa - used a bot - and admitted it) he wanted both of his deposits back instead of the one he received.

Like I'm going to help someone who lied to not only the casino, but to me and Max. Some nerve.

The PAB system and this forum is being abused in a bad way - and I'm fed up with it. Here we have Kodi who has opened a second account in this forum to PAB against Metro Casino. This is strictly against the forum rules.

One account - period - unless it's okayed by me.

And why should Casino Club be a "player fraud magnet"? It makes no logical sense. ALL online casinos are equally likely to be exposed to organised fraud and will equally take appropriate measures.

It could be that these players think they can use forums to strong arm a casino into paying out. It wouldn't be the first time. We have had the same situation with Bellerock, Fortune Lounge, the Palace Group, Grand Virtual, and Mini Vegas in the past few years. I guess it's Casino Club's turn. The question is "why"? That's a legitimate question made from an observation.

But the fact is Casino Club considers Bot play fraud - the vast majority of reputable online casinos do not!!. Since they won't listen to reason their claims of "fraud" will be continued to be taken with a deserved grain of salt. Their further claims of "bonus abuse" are simply not worthy of further comment and are received with justified contempt.

As far as I know, any player who met the terms and conditions of a bonus was paid. Those who committed fraud (in most cases it was multiple accounts BTW) were given their deposits back. All except BrejeSwa who forfeited his second deposit after being warned NOT TO USE A BOT. He used one again ADMITTED IT, and the casino pointed to their terms and conditions that state that they had the right to withhold this. The player was fully aware of the risk.

As to the matter of the subject player being reluctant to disclose his current whereabouts to Casino Club - I for one wouldn't blame him

That's just plain stupid advice. There is a Euro 167k jackpot at stake. If the player was in the right, there wouldn't be an issue. Don't ALL online casino require players to provide them with a legitimate address?

(and BTW - just where are Casino Club???).

I believe their gaming servers are in Malta - where they've always been.

If Casino Club want to serve papers they can do that at the players nominated legal representatives offices as his standard legal practice.

In the meantime is it not time to remove Casino Club from the accredited list until this matter is satisfactorily resolved?

??

The player has been given the lawyer's email address, but refuses to contact them. Why the reluctance??

That's all I'm going to spend on this matter. This has been another incredible waste of my time - some of this waste being caused by some forum members who use tunnel vision when involving themselves in these discussions. Each issue and PAB has been dealt with in a fair manner by Max and I - and the Casino Club. And if it's a huge deal for you to play at a casino that has its gaming servers in one country, its web site hosted in another, its customer support in another, its marketing dept in another, and its operator in still another, then I suggest you stick to playing at a land based casino since most online casinos are set up this way.

 

[thelawnet]

Originally Posted by thelawnet
Well we've still to see the jackpot go back to the players, so that's far from clear yet.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Casino Club
Following the legal resolution of this case, Casino Club will return the money in question to the JP pool.

I'd say that was pretty clear.


Originally Posted by thelawnet
On the issue of the jackpot being added back to the progressive pool, if the player is not going to be paid his winnings , it should be added back ASAP. The issue of the legal claim AGAINST the player is for PREVIOUS winnings, and this doesn't affect the issue of the jackpot being returned.

Surely the whole purpose of a legal case is to establish whether or not the player is due his winnings. I can't see how they can add it back until that is resolved.

No it's not. As I said, there are two separate issues here:

firstly, for reasons that Casino Club hasn't yet made clear, they are seeking to recover monies paid PRIOR to this date. Given that the player presumably deposited at least 10,000 before winning this jackpot, they must have paid out tens of thousands of euros to this player without questioning anything. Which strikes me as odd, but anyway.

secondly, the player has a cause of action against Casino Club to seek payment of his 200k balance. Is he going to do this?

The return of the jackpot is clearly not contingent on repayment of earlier monies BY the player TO the casino (which is what casino club's case is about), but rather on whether there is any chance of this jackpot actually being paid to the player. That could only be determined by the casino agreeing to pay the player the jackpot, or by the player sueing the casino himself.

In other words, you don't sue somebody because you owe them money!