Casino Club closed account of 167'500 JACKPOT winner

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Casinomeister

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i found this yesterday:

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Please refrain from merely posting links to other forums. That's considered bad forum etiquette and all you'll do is piss the members off.

You need to summarize a conversation or issue to give the membership something to discuss.

Also it's a German language forum - which maybe pertains to about 5% of our membership. :rolleyes:

Also it's unwise to open more than one account on this forum to issue complaints against casinos. You'll get caught out. Bye.
 

dominique

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Did you read the whole thing?

The winning player posted once, long after the event, and then never replied again.

I wonder about those screenshots - thats a lot of money to just let slide if the claim is legitimate.

He apparently constantly revisited the forum but never answered any additional questions from people who wanted to help.

PS.

OOps Bryan, simultaneous posting.
 

Casinomeister

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Here's the thing. Casino Club has been getting hit up by a number of fraudsters and bot players over the past few months. Mostly from Germany, Poland, Belgium, and the UK. Some have used this forum to attempt to blackmail the casino into submission. I won't stand for it.

Recently Kodi has been PMing me - hoping that I'll relook at a fraudulent claim (a member - BrejeSwa - used a bot - and admitted it) he wanted both of his deposits back instead of the one he received.

Like I'm going to help someone who lied to not only the casino, but to me and Max. Some nerve.

The PAB system and this forum is being abused in a bad way - and I'm fed up with it. Here we have Kodi who has opened a second account in this forum to PAB against Metro Casino. This is strictly against the forum rules.

One account - period - unless it's okayed by me.
 

Casinomeister

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Did you read the whole thing?...
I'm not going to bother with it. If it's legit, it can come over to me - or submitted to the licensing agency - or Boss Media for that matter. There are plenty of avenues of approach to handle this player's issue. As far as I'm concerned, it has no credence in this situation. It's just an attempt to besmirch Casino Club.
 

dominique

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Well, it sounds like a scam anyways, I did read the whole thing.

It might be fun to dissect the screenshot in the first post there - chances are it's doctored.
 

aka23

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Did you read the whole thing?

The winning player posted once, long after the event, and then never replied again.

I wonder about those screenshots - thats a lot of money to just let slide if the claim is legitimate.

He apparently constantly revisited the forum but never answered any additional questions from people who wanted to help.
I believe the player joined that forum in late November, several months after the incident. He started the thread on Dec 7th and replied back in the thread today (Dec 9th). It's reasonable that he did not post about it, on that forum in August, as he was not a member at that time.

From what I can gather with my poor German skills, it sounds like someone is in contact with CC and looking into it, and some key information about the incident will be revealed in the future.
 

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Hi Folks,

i must say something about this Thread.

It's correct that this is posted at our forum and for all of us it's an unbelievable story.

I don't know who the user kodi is and i wonder why this user posted here, because i'm in contact with the OP Manager about this issue.

I also not recommended anyone, to go to CM and post there in this issue.


@aka23 your german is not poor you are reading absolutely correct

@ Bryan i sent you a copy about this via pm and asked for your opinion, the Rep got the same.

Sorry, that should not have been happen to post. :mad:
 
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Zodiac

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additional information:

This banned user Kodi, is not the user that had posted at our forum.

The user where has generate the original thread is realplayer and he also joined a few days ago with this user name into here.
 

Casinomeister

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additional information:

This banned user Kodi, is not the user that had posted at our forum.

The user where has generate the original thread is realplayer and he also joined a few days ago with this user name into here.

Then we patiently await his PAB.
 

Zodiac

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How i said i'm in contact with the rep here and today i got some more informations from him.

He said that he will contact him and i like to let this open, because this story seems to have a bigger size and he can't tell me unfortunately more in this case.

This informations i got i must reproach the player first and look what he say.


Holy Wholy recently this storys heaps itself :confused:
 

elscrabinda

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Looking forward to hearing the details about this case. If it turns out there really was fraudulent behaviour going on and the player isn't allowed the funds, its worth making sure the jackpot finds its way back into the game instead of being pocketed by Casinoclub
 

Rusty

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Looking forward to hearing the details about this case. If it turns out there really was fraudulent behaviour going on and the player isn't allowed the funds, its worth making sure the jackpot finds its way back into the game instead of being pocketed by Casinoclub

Was it a progressive jackpot or just a big hit?
I am curious also as to what the fraud might have been.
There is a lot of money involved in this one.
 

elscrabinda

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Any news on this? The jackpot amount has not yet been returned to the Casino Club jackpot pool.
 

thelawnet

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Did you read the whole thing?

The winning player posted once, long after the event, and then never replied again.

I wonder about those screenshots - thats a lot of money to just let slide if the claim is legitimate.

The jackpot was definitely hit. I remember it at the time, because I was playing it. As to *who* hit it, it's not known.

I cannot see how you can improperly hit a jackpot, but if it was fraud, the money belongs to the players, not the casino, and should be added back to the jackpot.

It's important to realise the difference between a progressive jackpot and a normal one. A normal jackpot is paid by the casino. So if a player comes to the casino with a screwdriver and fiddles with the machine and hits the jackpot first spin, they are cheating the casino. But if they do the same on a progressive they are cheating the players. The players should get their money back.

It does not belong to the casino, they have misappropriated 142,000 profit on top of the profit made from the game itself (which is 0.5% at the least, but more like 5% in practice because the players are chasing the jackpot).

Any non-payment of progressive jackpots should result in IMMEDIATE return of the money to the jackpot pool.

Assuming this player did win the jackpot, there are two options:

1. the player should be paid (most likely IMO)
2. the player should not be paid, and the money should be returned to the jackpot.

Otherwise this is very serious rogue behaviour on a massive scale.

If casinos can get added to the rogue pit for terminating affiliate agreements, what should happen if they make off with 142,000 of player funds!??!
 
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thelawnet

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From that I can make out, the player did win the jackpot, but the casino is claiming he is a long-time 'abuser'. No idea what that means:

Dieser Spieler CLB ...... ist ein alter missbruchlicher Spieler an Kasinoklub.
Sein Konto ist fr eine lange Zeit und gesetzliche Verfahren geschlossen worden, die gegen ihn eingeleitet wurden.

Dies war vor Monaten und wir haben von Ihm seit
unser Rechtsanwalt Ihm eine Postnotifikation geschickt hat, nichts mehr gehrt.

Dies ist das erste mal, das ich von Ihm seitdem
hre.


'This player CLB is a long-time abusive player at Casino Club. His account has been open a long time, and legal proceedings have been issued against him.

This happened months ago and this is the first we have heard from him.'

I'm not sure what this means, but it's appears that Casino Club have stolen 142,000 of player funds.

The player says he contacted a lawyer to sue them in Germany but the lawyer said he had to do so in Malta.

As we have seen Malta is a joke and refuge of casinos that do whatever they like with no fear of reproach.

The proof of the jackpot is here.

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Casino Club have stolen this money.
 

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as i don't speak german i used google translator to read the thread.
this is a quote from the player that had his winnings denied:

"Casino Club next only tells tales.

Communication by Max: My PAB at Casino Meister has been closed since CC claimed any legal proceedings initiated against me to have because of fraud.
That is all lies. So I would be the first of these experiences but nothing has happened since 4 months. There is still no reason why CC is ~ 200 thousand of me has einverleibt."

make whatever you want of it
 

sdaddy

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Even if this player was a fraudster, I completely agree with the previous poster that this does not give Casino Club any right to the jackpot winnings.

I really think the casino needs to explain what happened here before we can move on.
 

thelawnet

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Even if this player was a fraudster, I completely agree with the previous poster that this does not give Casino Club any right to the jackpot winnings.

I really think the casino needs to explain what happened here before we can move on.

BTW, the Casino Club explanation that the player is a long-time abuser and they are taking him to court is laughable. He's apparently owed 200k, not the other way round!

Besides which, the phrase 'long-time abuser' doesn't make much sense to me. If a player is abusive, whatever that means, you stop them in the short-term.....
 

Simmo!

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Casino Club is on Boss Media. I though the progressives were network-wide and both managed and paid by Boss, not Casino Club? Is that not right?
 

tofu23

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Casino Club have proven over and over to be the worst of the worst rogue online casino operator across the planet - and I include the RTG rogues who habitually pay late rather than not at all.

In the recent past no less than 2 Casino Club critical threads have been prematurely closed. It is with anticipation that players now look upon the fate of this thread and the management of Casino Club's continued membership of the "accredited list."

The accreditation of outfits such as casino Club and the likes of Fortune Lounge is a reminder to players writ large to perform your own due diligence and take responsibility for your own fate when gaming online. Listening to the broad voice of players across multiple gaming forums renders the aforementioned a particularly poor online gaming choice. You play at great risk and with zero confidence that payment will ensue on cash-out.

Alternatives such as InterCasino, 32RED, Roxy Palace have NEVER been the subject of non-payment complaints. Strange how these establishments seem to escape the attention of "organised fraud groups" that continually dog the likes of Casino Club and Fortune Lounge.
 

chuchu59

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While I am not too pleased myself with Casino Club and FL they are still a far cry from the RTG and Playtech rogues or near-rogues. Taking a swipe at the accreditation system for this very reason is not too fair IMO. All players must be prepared to perform his/her own due diligence but for newbies this is no easy task. Where will you go to search for info? The forums? Google? At the very least the accredited list has provided many players who are new to online gaming or have been screwed a couple of times by rogue casinos with some decent casinos to chose from and which makes their gaming experience more enjoyable. If an inexperienced player was only able to rely on himself to choose a casino to play at, I strongly believe that the odds of him getting screwed especially over payments is likely to be far, far greater than playing at a casino from the accredited list.

There are still forums/websites that promote Virtual or a number of the Playtech rogues. Dont you think that the newbies could be easily misled?
 
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