Dear All,
I will try to give an answer to the many issues raised in this thread.
1. A player that was found to be, beyond any reasonable doubt, a fraudulent player, connected to a group of BOT and Bonus Abusers.
2. This player, and others connected to him, managed to "win" and withdraw considerable amounts of money from Casino Club during first half of 2008 (and earlier) through non-allowed gaming behavior.
3.Using money "won" in non-allowed gaming behavior, this player won a Jackpot in Casino Club.
4. Casino Club DOES NOT belong to the Boss Media Progressive circuit and therefore the amount of money won is an internal Casino Club issue.
5. At the same time period, a legal case was opened against this player, all related accounts closed pending a resolution of this case.
6. Likewise all money won in Jackpot is frozen pending resolution.
7. Casino Club is in constant contact with CM about this case.
I hope this answers all questions and doubts raised and quash all suspicions that Casino Club pockets JP money won by players (whether by lawful or unlawful ways).
Well we've still to see the jackpot go back to the players, so that's far from clear yet.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'connected to a group of players'. Players do not come in groups. Online gambling is a highly solitary activity, you cannot do it in groups. People can discuss tactics, join forums, etc., but that's not in itself bad. Obviously multiple players can do bad things, and communicate those bad things to each other, but that doesn't change the case against any one of them - it is only that they as an individual have done something bad. If you are alleging that the same player is using multiple fake ids, that's a different thing, but it's not clear that you are.
Apart from that, 'bonus abuse' is not a meaningful term. Players must have broken some specific term of the casino that can be easily described.
Obviously your terms are clear NOW that players are not allowed to use bots, and are not allowed to make no-risk bets, and that would probably be sufficient grounds to confiscate winnings.
But you are talking about activity 'in the first half of 2008 and earlier'.
Per your terms at y/e 2007, there was no ban on bots:
So I am not sure when this was added. It might be tricky in any case to prove that the new terms were adequately communicated to the players, in a court of law you'd have to show that the player was, or should reasonably have been, aware that the terms (and you acknowledge he was a long-time player).
I'm still quite confused about what this player's alleged wrongdoings are supposed to have been.
Presumably you have paid out some sum of money to this player, I guess thousands, of tens of thousands of euros, and you want to get them back, because you believe he did not gain them properly. If there is a legal case, you must have actual specific allegations, which would be a matter of public record in the court records. What are they?
I would appreciate it if the player would come here and clarify these matters about how much he has received in the past from Casino Club and what they have alleged.
On the issue of the jackpot being added back to the progressive pool, if the player is not going to be paid his winnings , it should be added back ASAP. The issue of the legal claim AGAINST the player is for PREVIOUS winnings, and this doesn't affect the issue of the jackpot being returned.
Of course if the player is going to be paid the jackpot, then that's a separate issue. But unless he is going to sue Casino Club (rather than the other way round) I don't see that that is going to happen?
I'm of course confused about why the player has done nothing in four months to get paid this very large amount of money.....
