Cash o lot Casino experience (Rival)

[casinokoenig]

Well in short - it was a very bad experience , dry and boring slots , unbeatable WR - just a waste of money and time...

i deposited around 700 € claiming multible bonuses.

One was the 5000 % Bonus where i depoisted 250 € received 12500 € Bonus and the wagering requirements was 70xd+b(!!!) and max cashout was 0.25xBonus amount (3125 in my case).

That means the wagering requirtements were 892500 € wich is just sick and the worst thing is the max bet on the slots is limited to 37,5 € some even only allow 20 € bets...


Long story short - this was a super frustrating experience , also the slots are supertight and the WR requirements are unbeatable (that also applies to the other bonuses offered)


Save your money and dont play there , personally im done with Rival Casinos since they all have the same huge Bonus mega huge WR jinx going on.

Also the rule that you are not allowed to wager 20 % or more from the total WR on a single game is pretty silly since you dont have any way to track how much you ve wagered yet on a game (my winnings got voided once at another RIval casino because of that rule - that was Dendera Casino , also deposited over 1k € there and the only win i had got voided because of the 20 % rule...)


Well i was dumb enough to try Rival again but now thats it for me - diagf rival casinos

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[Tirilej]

Are you trying out every new casino there is, just to be able to warn us about them?

This one I believe is Tropicas sister casino.

I feel that nothing in your story is a reason for anyone to not play there.
If you don't accept their rules, or if you don't like their promotions, if the games are cold for you...is your opinion.
I don't think everyone have the same experience.

They also have a rep here that actually care about their players, and are active, which also is the reason why I write this post.
With no rep here I wouldn't have cared about any Rival

 

[gagamel]

Hello casinokoenig

I play Casholot and Tropica for weeks now on a daily basis.

I enjoy the Rival slots and searched for a long time to find a Rival casino I trust in.

Dieter is the rep here and he is great. I PM`ed him maybe 15 times and the answer was always helpful and very prompt.

Because of the WR. Some of them are definately not high, for example 50% booster with WR: 17x D+B.

The good thing is, you can take the most promotions with every deposit you make, not just one time a week or month.

And if you are loyal player you get free chips etc. pp.

I will stay with Casholot and Tropica.

But that is only my experience

PS: Because of the tight slots. I was never able to make so much Winner Screenshots since I play there

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

Hi there casinokoenig,

I am sorry to hear that you had a bad experience at our casino. Please PM your login and I will look into your account / game-play. I need to mention that we have 10 offers available to our customers (I can't post them here as we are not accredited), however I would appreciate it if you looked at what is in your cashier to see that we have some of the most respectable offers available.

As for the 20% Rule, that is simply there to prevent bonus abuse from new players. We have applied the rule all of 4 times since inception. That said, I am doing a review of all our rules so that they are uniform across all the brands and the 20% Rule is on the list for review.

Thank you Tirilej - appreciate your support here.

All the best,
Dieter

 

[dunover]

Well in short - it was a very bad experience , dry and boring slots , unbeatable WR - just a waste of money and time...

i deposited around 700 € claiming multible bonuses.

One was the 5000 % Bonus where i depoisted 250 € received 12500 € Bonus and the wagering requirements was 70xd+b(!!!) and max cashout was 0.25xBonus amount (3125 in my case).
That means the wagering requirtements were 892500 € wich is just sick and the worst thing is the max bet on the slots is limited to 37,5 € some even only allow 20 € bets...


Long story short - this was a super frustrating experience , also the slots are supertight and the WR requirements are unbeatable (that also applies to the other bonuses offered)


Save your money and dont play there , personally im done with Rival Casinos since they all have the same huge Bonus mega huge WR jinx going on.

Also the rule that you are not allowed to wager 20 % or more from the total WR on a single game is pretty silly since you dont have any way to track how much you ve wagered yet on a game (my winnings got voided once at another RIval casino because of that rule - that was Dendera Casino , also deposited over 1k € there and the only win i had got voided because of the 20 % rule...)


Well i was dumb enough to try Rival again but now thats it for me - diagf rival casinos

WHAT??? And you actually deposited there??? I am beyond words (for once.)

 

[Googobucs]

The games could not have been too "dry & boring" since you kept depositing and playing. I really like the Rival games, but each to their own. Not everyone will like everything. You could have tried them in fun mode first to see if you liked the platform.

They offer a variety of bonuses including some for 100% with a much lower WR and no max cash out. YOU chose the high % and high WR bonuses and accepted those terms.

The 5000% bonus is fun to try if your looking for a long weekend of play time for a small deposit. The chances of making the WR are small, but it could happen. I've played this twice and played on it for several days each time. It was worth my $50 deposit in entertainment value IMO.

When I play for real, I don't play with a bonus or take a small reasonable one.

 

[gagamel]

The 5000% bonus is a all or nothing bonus. Or for people who want a long playtime and have not much money.

50 with this bonus brings you 2500. If you play small bets you can play for 1 month for 50 . I don`t know another place where you can have such a long playtime with such a small deposit.

 

[rshkrn]

Well you definitely wanted to give the whole thing a valid shot I think....maybe you just ran bad....would've probably stopped depositing after the first shot.....

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

Quick update: Managed to track down the OP's account using some good old fashioned detective work and sent him a PM.

He did have a really bad experience and we all know how that feels. Hopefully he will accept my offer to try the promotion again and this time have more luck

Good night all.
Dieter

 

[Googobucs]

Just to show you can actually win on these bonuses. I took the step 6 500% with a $50 deposit yesterday. It had a 50 D+B WR for $15,000, max cashout 3x bonus + deposit. (edit to clarify 3x bonus = $750 + deposit of $50 for total of $800. not 3X D+B for $900.)
I played on it for 2 straight days and just cashed out $800 after clearing the WR.
Here is a screen shot that helped put me over the top.

 

[Mosse]

Quick question for casino rep:

Are finnish players welcome to your casinos and if we are, can we use your bonuses?

Thank you!

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

Hi there,

As mentioned before: We have recently acquired 3 dormant brands from Rival and are in the process of setting up new websites and offers and terms for all 5 casinos. We have decided that the following countries will be allowed to use bonuses, however at a higher wagering requirement:

Afghanistan, Albania, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bangladesh, Bahrain, Bhutan, Bulgaria, China, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland Greece, Hungary, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, Pakistan, Poland, Qatar, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Syria, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Uzbekistan, Yemen and Romania

The wagering will be either 2x more or 4x more depending on the country. Finland is 2x more. The wagering will be displayed in the cashier for any promotion you take.

We are in the process of setting up new offers to accommodate these changes, so for now, our old Rules apply.

Thank you,
Dieter

 

[Tirilej]

So us smart players from Sweden is still not allowed to use bonuses, or have I missed us been taking back again?
I don't remember really but I know I closed my account for that simple reason.
Yeah I know I personally could get bonuses anyway, but I defended my country

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

Hi,

My post lists the countries that will have higher wagering requirements. All other countries (Sweden included) will have standard wagering.

(EDIT) The list above is the exception to the norm. I.e. if a country is listed there, higher wagering is applied. If not listed, regular wagering is applied.

Regards,
Dieter

 

[Tirilej]

Hi,

My posts lists the countries that will have higher wagering requirements. All other countries (Sweden included) will have standard wagering.

Regards,
Dieter

So we are back in? That was nice to hear
Then I'll just have to think about if I can get over the other thing I was was angry about, and then I maybe will come back

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

Hiya,

As mentioned previously, we are still in the process of setting things up for the new brands and therefore we have not made any announcement/s to players. Old rules still apply for the next month or so while we prepare the new sites and offers.

Regards,
Dieter

 

[davos11]

Can someone please explain to me why different countries have a higher playthorugh / wagering requirement ,

It kinda just seems racist to me ... ,If it's because there is a higher number of fraudsters or abusive players from there then just don't allow them to play altogether ,Surely if Fraud is what your worried about then you don't want these guys playing and winning at all , And putting the wagering up higher does not stop this , It just lowers the chances of withdrawal but as they are not playing with there own cash i don't see how this would deter them !

Instead it just punishes the average player which i'm sure makes up for the vast vast majority of us

I really don't think this would be allowed in any other form of business , As it basically stereotyping and discrimination

I am British so this has no impact on me but it always shocks me to say what casinos seem to get away with and sometimes more so how players seem to accept it or even defend it ,
Again maybe because i'm British as here we have rules and regulations for everything , You cant breather for them

This whole situation is like a guy in a bar who is a known alcoholic trying to get a drink ,The barman refuses to sell him one as he knows it will cause trouble then changes his mind and says "yes you can have one but it will cost you double or triple what everyone else is paying " , "Oh and all your friends have to pay triple to , Just incase "

The guy gets drunk and smashes up the bar ( manages to get through the increased wagering requirements with his fraudulent card ,takes his winnings and runs " )

So the casino loses , And all his friends that were with him ( that were not violent alchies ) have all lost out to as they had to pay more for there night out due to association / Stereotyping

The only guy that wins in this situation is the fraudster which is surely bad for everyone right ?

So instead of a rule to protect against fraudsters , Isn't this more a ruling to make extra profit , For every 1 in say 5000 players that are fraudulent , perhaps 1000 players from the group of nations with increased playthrough have a 200% -400% less chance of making there wagering requirements .

Would a fraudster with access to free money in the form of a stolen card really be wanting to take a bonus meaning he has to do wagering for hours on end , Or would he play straight up , get a quick win and run ?

This kinda just seems like another underhanded tactic

My advice is always to just leave bonuses well alone , I think the promotion system has got greedy and become abusive ,So much so that it is now a hindrance to play with a bonus ,

I have stopped recently , And although my sessions are now shorter , the losing ones alot shorter , I have also been making more withdrawals then i used to and i have been getting paid alot quicker without any worries that perhaps i had 1 spin on the wrong game, or i clicked max bet by accident and went over the allowed max stake only to have all my winning cancelled after hours of play

 

[vorcirion]

It's always weird to see Finland in these lists since we really do like to gamble here and many casinos like finnish players. Guess they just decided to shove the whole eastern europe to their list of evil countries or whatever
But it's their loss of course.

 

[Captain Chaos]

I'm sure that Goldenman slot has been in no way influenced by Ironman...

 

[casinokoenig]

well , i have to say i didnt expect anything positive happening after i post my experiences here , i just wanted to share my personal experiences with Rival Casinos over the last years and wanted to hear from others if anyone enjoys playing there..

Well it could have been possibly a very cold streak or something but combined with my wininngs not paid at another Rival after finally managing to fullfill the WR requirements there - i might have been steaming a bit too much and i think its a very nice move from the rival rep to contact me and even offer to look into the "Dendera" issue and see if he can do something there - thats just an unexpected positive move.

Still i d be interested whats the actual payout % in those Rivals offering those bonuses.
And i dont mean the Slot payout percentage, i mean the Deposits/withdrawals ratio.

Anyway , i was obviously steaming a bit when making my OP so...

Have a nice weekend @ll

 

[kavaman]

In general i dont have anything bad to say about casholot/tropica brand. I think they are one of the better rivals out there.

However as for the 20% rule. I find this really strange. I mean this does in no way prevent bonus abuse. It just something that gives the casino an excuse for a non payment. I understand the 20% 30% rules for max bet some other casinos have, but to be only allowed to play 20% on the wagering on one game is very strange. What does everyone else think about this rule?

 

[Tirilej]

In general i dont have anything bad to say about casholot/tropica brand. I think they are one of the better rivals out there.

However as for the 20% rule. I find this really strange. I mean this does in no way prevent bonus abuse. It just something that gives the casino an excuse for a non payment. I understand the 20% 30% rules for max bet some other casinos have, but to be only allowed to play 20% on the wagering on one game is very strange. What does everyone else think about this rule?

I don't like it of course and I don't think anyone do.
For me it would feel insane since I almost always just play a few games at Rivals. I have my four favourits and could be one of those that was denied.
Now I don't think that will happen, but what if?

Dieter wrote that they where removing it so I do hope they will (I hope that's what he wrote)

Edit: No, it was just under review.

 

[Googobucs]

In general i dont have anything bad to say about casholot/tropica brand. I think they are one of the better rivals out there.

However as for the 20% rule. I find this really strange. I mean this does in no way prevent bonus abuse. It just something that gives the casino an excuse for a non payment. I understand the 20% 30% rules for max bet some other casinos have, but to be only allowed to play 20% on the wagering on one game is very strange. What does everyone else think about this rule?

Yeah, I agree. This rule really is crap. Even though I like to play a variety of games when I play. It's just impossible to really keep track of how much you play on any one single game. If I feel like I've been on a game for a while I switch, but there is really no good way to know.

Dieter did mention in one of the first posts that they are reviewing the terms and looking at this one in particular. Hopefully it will go away.

 

[casinokoenig]

Have to give you guys an update.

I decided to depost another 500 € (wich is a huge deposit for me) for a 200 % "VIP Bonus" w. 25xD+B Wagering requirements but some games only count 1/10 or 1/5 (some of the newer slots also counted less than others..) so my total wagering requirements would be 37500 € with a starting balance of 1500€.

Basically this Bonus could only be cleared playing Slots wich makes it an OK Bonus (25xD+B).


I started playing Hole in Won betting 18,75€ (the allowed maximum bet at this slots was 37,5€) and managed to bring my balance up to around 3400 €.

i kept betting 18,75 € till i lost around 500 € and my balance showed something like 2900 €.

i knew i still had to wager a LOT (~35000€ more) and had to leave my house for a while and decided to give it 1000 autopsins on i believe 75 Cents on another Video Slot (3Reel Slots f.e. only counted 10 %).

When i got back i believe i did another one or two thousand autospins w. that bet size and then decided to gamble again betting between 2€ and 3,75€.

I remember i won ~1200 on one slot betting 3,75€ and my balance showed ~4400€ at one point.


However i kept wagering and wagering and hoping for the best (still always betting between 2€ and 3,75€) and my balance swong down to 3000 again and then back up to 3400 € (all pretty standard w. that bet sizes imo)



THEN i received an email from our friends at cash o lot blaming me a bonus abuser for betting 18,75€ and then betting 0,75 (remember i ve lost allready more than 2000€ at this point in this casino , never able to cash out) .

Also before som1 agrees w. them its super standard in most casinos that the allowed max. bets per spin/round is between 10 and 30 % of the Bonus value (wich would have been between 100 and 300 € in my case!) and as mentioned i did not even bet the maximum bet for the slot - the max. bet for this slot was capped by the casino at 37.5€ anyway and i agreed to the Term "Some Games have different max. bet limits while this bonnus is active..." when accepting the Bonus!

By then i allready wagered ~18700 € but still had ~ 19000€ to go - and it was sure not a a sure win allready (as i said before my balance swong 1000€ up and then down again easy betting 3,75€/spin)


I was steaming after that - i mean why do they put a cap on the max bets of all slots/video Poker/Blackjack if im not allowed to bet it or to switch bets like i want between 0 and max bet i mean its a casino and i want to gamble !

I mean i could understand if i bet 37,50€ wich would be the max bet but i choose to risk 18 € to gamble it up a little and could have also easily lost doing so (i do NOT believe that those few spins and the smallish win compared to bet size allready makes this bonus +EV)


Anyway after that they gave me 3 "options" (while writing this it makes me more and more upset since its crystal clear this casino does everything NOT to payout any winnings , either the yput insane wager requirments of up to 75 x D+B or if you win label you as bonus abuser , i really wonder what their deposit/payout ratio is maybe something like 90%/10% ??)

Anyway the 3 options where ridiculous:

option one: keep my current balance of 3400€ but the wager requirements would be 4x37500 now (lol!!!!!)
option two: End the promotion and start over again
option three: Continue playing the offer as it is right now (so still 19.000€ remaining to wager) but have my winnings capped at 1000€.


I thought about option 3 but after clarifiing if that means i can cashout a total of 1500€ (500€deposit+1000€ in winnnings) they said no they meant 1000 € total(so i could "win" my 500€ deposit + another 500€ if i was lucky enought to survive wageriing 19000€ with my balance of 3400€)


After that my decision was clear and also my view about Rival business practices got confirmed i told them that they should delete all winnings (2900€ - congratulations on your win again cash o lot!!) and only leave my 500€ deposit in my account so i can cash out my deposit wich i did.


I will NEVER ever deposit a single € to any RIVAL Casino again. Its enough for me. After getting ripped off at Dendera Casino for for betting more than 20 % on a single Slot while wagering (would have also been my first cashout after loosing 1000´s of €´s) and getting my winnings voided now this experience at Cash o lot (same thing i keep depositing thousands of € and when i could win they come up with something so i never be able to cash out - alltough in both cases i was far away from beeing a sure winner with all the wagering left!!)

I tried hard not to write this thread too emotional but inside i am steaming!



After Dendera Casino experience i told myself never to play at a Rival Casino again but made the mistake to try Casholot wich i deeply regret now (not only because of all the lost and not won money but also about all the hassle/stress with email arguments etc. etc. and also the wasted time !!)

So again my decision is crystal clear : RIVAL go f*** yourself - i lost over 5k€ to you guys in total and everytime i would have possibly won you screwed me out of my winnings!
In my opinion you guys are the worst in the whole casino industry and i will warn everyone to deposit a single € to any of your sites!

 

[nisosbar]

I agree that the bonus terms are unattractive; however, if these terms were stated in the written conditions when you took the bonus, then you aren't being treated unfairly - you are being treated just as every other customer who takes that bonus would be treated if they also violated the terms.

I'm sorry that you are upset about it, but on the other hand, these kinds of terms are precisely why I almost always decline to take them, even the juiciest ones, and play without them.

 

[Googobucs]

I agree that the bonus terms are unattractive; however, if these terms were stated in the written conditions when you took the bonus, then you aren't being treated unfairly - you are being treated just as every other customer who takes that bonus would be treated if they also violated the terms.

I'm sorry that you are upset about it, but on the other hand, these kinds of terms are precisely why I almost always decline to take them, even the juiciest ones, and play without them.

When they changed the terms to allow you to make larger bets, they also added this term; which by the way is very common at many casinos.
5.12 Irregular Play: Irregular Play is deemed when the casino detects unnatural player betting patterns. Irregular play includes, but is not limited to, any one or more of the following types of play:
a.Placing high value bets with the single intention of increasing your balance, thereafter you substantially decrease your bet size, while reasonably not decreasing your bankroll.

You went from $18 bet to .75 bets after building up your bankroll.

I think it's reasonable for them to allow you the opportunity to start again and play within the terms.

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

Hi Casinokoenig,

I am afraid the main part of the story has been left out here. You had breached our terms using irregular play. As a result, we could have cancelled your promotion and kept the deposit. Instead, we gave you 3 options in an effort to create a good player experience.

For the benefit of the readers: The OP started with a 500 deposit and received a 1000 Bonus. He placed bets of 18.75 until his balance reached 2932.50. He then switched to 2.50 bets and put the game on autoplay for about 2000 spins. His balance went up to 3521.90 at which point he switched to 0.75c bets and pretty much remained there until we sent him an email advising that he had breached terms.

In that email, we advised that this type of play is not allowed, but that we would compromise and provide 3 options. We felt this to be a fair and amicable solution.

After several emails back and forth, he asked for his money back and we agreed to give it back. He even cashed out an extra 37€ in comp points.

For the record, our term pertaining to this:

5.12 Irregular Play: Irregular Play is deemed when the casino detects unnatural player betting patterns. Irregular play includes, but is not limited to, any one or more of the following types of play:

• Placing high value bets with the single intention of increasing your balance, thereafter you substantially decrease your bet size, while reasonably not decreasing your bankroll.
• Even money bets on Sic Bo, craps, baccarat and roulette.
• Employing a strategy by which high value bets are placed on any game with playthrough contribution weightings less than 30% (any table games, card games, video poker, etc.) and then proceeding to place bets of less than half of the prior average bet value while changing game type to higher weighted games (slots, casual games, scratch cards, etc).
• Any irregular play will result in immediate disqualification from a bonus and the casino reserves the rights to withhold any withdrawals and/or confiscate all winnings.

This thread started with the OP flaming us because he had lost. We then comped him (which he withdrew) and we thought that was the end of the relationship. He then returned and took up our VIP bonus which is a 200% Match with 25 x wagering. The only offer that has 75 x wagering is the 5000%.

For the readers here who know us, you will know that we operate fairly. Our terms were sent to a few members here for review and approval before implementing. The 20% rule was removed as it created too much uncertainty.

While you feel you may have the right to be angry, you really don't. In the mails that we exchanged with you, we asked you why a seasoned gambler and Meister member would use Advantage Play or not read the terms and you never responded.

It's always a pity that casinos are made out to be the villains when the rules were set before play commenced.

I hope you find a casino that suits your needs. Your 500€ will be returned later today.

I wish you all the best,
Dieter

 

[vinylweatherman]

It's only "advantage play" because it eats into profits. For a player who has just doubled their money it's "responsible gambling" in order to not piss away their winnings. These stakes were all offered by the software, as were the games. The casinos should not be giving new and unknown players such easily beatable offers, and when offers ARE beaten, players should be paid and then their offers adjusted according to their play history, something that Rival is VERY good at.

Advantage play only exists because the casinos insist on using +EV offers as a lure. Most players lured in don't know the best strategy, so they lose and make money for the casino. A few players can spot that the offer is +EV, and are better at maths than the casino marketing team, so on the whole they achieve a net win.

Online casinos use confiscation of winnings because they can hold the money hostage for a few days whilst they use hindsight analysis of the players' gaming. Land casinos don't have such luxury, their analysis often takes place when the player has cashed in the chips and left the premises. Land casinos use barring to control the situation. They can also suspend a game if they feel that something odd is going on, giving them time to investigate.

Where land casinos have tried to sue their advantage players for return of the winnings, they have mostly lost in court, even in the most blatant of schemes. To win, a land casino has to show that the player altered the outcomes, rather than simply being very good at maths.

Increased regulation may well deprive online casinos of the option to confiscate winnings in cases of "didn't like your strategy", even where this is supported by vague definitions in the terms. Thinking ahead, developers need to bear this in mind and move the controls to the point of betting, having invalid bets rejected immediately they are attempted, rather than after the fact during audit. Instead of terms, they would be exercising their right to reject a wager before the contract is made between player and software.

 

[Googobucs]

Increased regulation may well deprive online casinos of the option to confiscate winnings in cases of "didn't like your strategy", even where this is supported by vague definitions in the terms.

IMO the terms were not vague at all, and they are quite common in my experience.

Thinking ahead, developers need to bear this in mind and move the controls to the point of betting, having invalid bets rejected immediately they are attempted, rather than after the fact during audit. Instead of terms, they would be exercising their right to reject a wager before the contract is made between player and software.

This is a great point, but no one does this today. As you mention, future minds should be thinking of these things.

In this case the casino is proactively monitoring it's players, was able to contact the player in mid play, stop the problematic play and offer a resolution. Certainly they deserve some kind of Kudos for this don't you think? Most places would just wait and hope the player busted and they would not have to deal with it or would deny the withdraw when it got to that point at the end.

 

[casinokoenig]

Hi Kasinokoenig,

I am afraid the main part of the story has been left out here. You had breached our terms using irregular play. As a result, we could have cancelled your promotion and kept the deposit. Instead, we gave you 3 options in an effort to create a good player experience.

For the benefit of the readers: The OP started with a 500 deposit and received a 1000 Bonus. He placed bets of 18.75 until his balance reached 2932.50. He then switched to 2.50 bets and put the game on autoplay for about 2000 spins. His balance went up to 3521.90 at which point he switched to 0.75c bets and pretty much remained there until we sent him an email advising that he had breached terms.

In that email, we advised that this type of play is not allowed, but that we would compromise and provide 3 options. We felt this to be a fair and amicable solution.

After several emails back and forth, he asked for his money back and we agreed to give it back. He even cashed out an extra 37€ in comp points.

For the record, our term pertaining to this:

5.12 Irregular Play: Irregular Play is deemed when the casino detects unnatural player betting patterns. Irregular play includes, but is not limited to, any one or more of the following types of play:

• Placing high value bets with the single intention of increasing your balance, thereafter you substantially decrease your bet size, while reasonably not decreasing your bankroll.
• Even money bets on Sic Bo, craps, baccarat and roulette.
• Employing a strategy by which high value bets are placed on any game with playthrough contribution weightings less than 30% (any table games, card games, video poker, etc.) and then proceeding to place bets of less than half of the prior average bet value while changing game type to higher weighted games (slots, casual games, scratch cards, etc).
• Any irregular play will result in immediate disqualification from a bonus and the casino reserves the rights to withhold any withdrawals and/or confiscate all winnings.

This thread started with the OP flaming us because he had lost. We then comped him (which he withdrew) and we thought that was the end of the relationship. He then returned and took up our VIP bonus which is a 200% Match with 25 x wagering. The only offer that has 75 x wagering is the 5000%.

For the readers here who know us, you will know that we operate fairly. Our terms were sent to a few members here for review and approval before implementing. The 20% rule was removed as it created too much uncertainty.

While you feel you may have the right to be angry, you really don't. In the mails that we exchanged with you, we asked you why a seasoned gambler and Meister member would use Advantage Play or not read the terms and you never responded.

It's always a pity that casinos are made out to be the villains when the rules were set before play commenced.

I hope you find a casino that suits your needs. Your 500€ will be returned later today.

I wish you all the best,
Dieter

In my opinon with a 1000 € Bonus and 37500 € wagering requirements on Slots (375000€ on table games) AND max. bets CAPPED at all games (highest slot bets f.e. 37,5€ highest Blackjack bet 50 €!)i should be allowed to bet/do whatever i want!

I mean im totally limited from the beginning and have to meet HUGE wagering requirements ! Its a bad deal from the start and im pretty sure it is also EV Wise but hey i dont care about that because i just want to enjoy a nice gamble!

As said industry standard for max.bet allowed is 10% - 30 % Bonus value sometimes up to 50 % or no limitations.



Why is f.e. Blackjack not limited to 300 € but 50 € (equals to 5% at 1000 € Bonus!).In other words those "rules" are allready big cut in a players freedom.
With a Bonus like that you will lose SUPER often.
Its designed to take most of the deposits but if someone manages to possibly win alltough playing with all those limitations then they just label him a bonus abuser and collect his winnings also!


As i said i would be VERY intersted in your deposit/payout ratio and i am sure that is a LOT different than from other non Rival casinos.
To me RIVAL Casinos seem to be real Cash eating machines and btw. also life time stealing machines because when you play there you usually watch imo boring slots spinning for hours before you lost your money because you never make it through the wager requirements...


I love playing online casinos and i managed to book a win here and there and unfortunatley also had my share of bad experiences w. online casinos but playing for money at RIVAL Casinos is and was the worst experience of all. As soon as i read the Bonus Terms and the high wagering requirements and the game limitations etc. i think to myself "wow this is almost bold what Customers have to agree here if they want to play with a a bonus.


Nowdays i think i would even prefer a TOPGAME casino (and their reputation is very bad but maybe they got better nowdays) than to spend any more money on a Rival just because im feeling ripped off everytime i play there and a chance of winning there seems almost non existent to me (as mentioned i tried it hard to win by making dozens of deposits of up to 500€ at their casinos in the last years - in total i lost over 5000 € and had two chances of winning and in BOTH cases they pulled some rule that unfortunatley my winnings will be voided.

To me chances of actually winning money that you can cash out at a Rival Casino appear to be so much worse compared to ANY other platform.

I wish you all the best too

 

[Azzurri]

Well in short - it was a very bad experience , dry and boring slots , unbeatable WR - just a waste of money and time...

i deposited around 700 € claiming multible bonuses.

One was the 5000 % Bonus where i depoisted 250 € received 12500 € Bonus and the wagering requirements was 70xd+b(!!!) and max cashout was 0.25xBonus amount (3125 in my case).

That means the wagering requirtements were 892500 € wich is just sick and the worst thing is the max bet on the slots is limited to 37,5 € some even only allow 20 € bets...


Long story short - this was a super frustrating experience , also the slots are supertight and the WR requirements are unbeatable (that also applies to the other bonuses offered)


Save your money and dont play there , personally im done with Rival Casinos since they all have the same huge Bonus mega huge WR jinx going on.

Also the rule that you are not allowed to wager 20 % or more from the total WR on a single game is pretty silly since you dont have any way to track how much you ve wagered yet on a game (my winnings got voided once at another RIval casino because of that rule - that was Dendera Casino , also deposited over 1k € there and the only win i had got voided because of the 20 % rule...)


Well i was dumb enough to try Rival again but now thats it for me - diagf rival casinos

For starters, it's your choice of course, but I think it's madness to make the deposits you have with the said wagering, and given you described it as "sick", I'm struggling to understand why you did it?

I couldn't help but laugh because I've never seen anything like it!!

A 250€ deposit at 70xd+b wr and max cashout of 0.25xBonus amount (3125 in my case). So having to wager 892500€!!!! I seriously can't believe any of this, and honestly thought you were having a laugh at first.

892500 wagering!! My God man!!!

Anyway, as I said, each to their own.

In saying that, I really don't get these irregular play terms and would like some clarification from the rep please. I mean, I get it, but to eliminate the confusion that I and others still have, can you please give an example of what irregular play isn't?

By that I mean, most players will at some point start reducing their bet as the slot 'grows colder', or particularly after a nice win. This may come as a shock to you, but this is because, although most players play for the entertainment, we also play to try and win. Although it does happen, I think in general it's unreasonable to think any player would continue playing at the same high bet amount or more continuously, as obviously this would lead to eventually busting.

With that being said, I understand the concept of fair play for both parties, and the casino has an equal right to try and win back their loses fairly, however the player also has the right to try and keep their winnings, as that's the whole point of gambling, is it not.

So, to clarify for myself and anyone else, I would like to know what are the specific parameters regarding this vague irregular betting rule? I agree going from $18 to 0.75cents is considered unfair to the casino, however please clarify what is a fair reduction? Or isn't there one? Is the player expected to maintain that $18 amount or higher permanently until they either clear wr or go bust?

Of course this was an extreme and obvious case, however I think many of us would like complete transparency and clarification on this matter Tropica.

Thanks

 

[maxd]

... So again my decision is crystal clear : RIVAL go f*** yourself ... you screwed me out of my winnings!

Frankly I don't care who is pissing you off or what your beef may be. This isn't the place for that kind of selfish, agenda-laden hostility and you know it.

1. You're a known AP who is happy to use the forums to beat up on whichever casino of the day happens to have annoyed you by having Terms that rain on your parade: see Dont deposit at Royal Prive Casino - 9 months no pay 1.5k !! for example.
2. You've been warned about flaming and being disrespectful towards others on the forums: see your previous Infraction.
3. We've asked you to show more respect for the Posting Rules regarding this kind of abusive and potty-mouthed BS, yet here we are again.
4. Our warnings and cautions to you don't seem to have made much of an impression.

Your bombastic, self-serving rants are tiresome and unwelcome. When you can learn to state your case with more substance and less frothing-at-the-mouth we'll all be well pleased.

For the above and because babysitting your temper tantrums is a waste of good time and effort you've earned another Infraction and a week's worth of "vacation".

Please take a chill pill before you return to the forums.

 

[SlotsLover]

reason for reducing wager

Another reason for reducing the bet per spin is the way that many casinos pay in installments. I love to play relatively large on slots ($10 -- $25 per spin) but if I get a balance of 3k or so, and the casino only pays up to a few k per week or so, then I prefer to play out the requirement at a lower amount so that I don't have to wait so long. If the casinos paid in full right away, I would not be inclined to lower my wager per spin.

 

[threescatters]

OP is being unfair here. Tropica are a decent Rival casino and the only one I have ever played at. I have not had any problems cashing out from them. I did, however, read the rules and stick to them before I played