Brutal RTG sessions

[Zoozie]

Well, we all know that RTG allow the individual operators to alter the payouts of the games. With tables and poker it is done by altering the paytables, but with slots it is hard to see what has been done because they don't use proper reelbands as do Microgaming.

This question has also bugged me a lot. We know for sure that the RTG casino mangers can change the payout%, but how does the slots implement this ie. what is changed for the slots?

I see the following solutions:

1) (Hard to explain) The reels are an deception at RTG 5-reel slots. Only a single random is used to generate the win. The reels are then just showing a position matching this win. This is not the standard way 5-reel slots are working and it is a kind of cheating the players actually showing the reels. I do not hope this is true. But if it is, then it is very easy to change the payout%, and this is why I include this case. Rival and MG slots does not work this way! , and I think the big majorty of casino slot-software also does not work this way. 'Normally' the 5-reel are actually used to determined the spin result and then the win is calculated. Doing it the other way around is deceptive. (Like showing a card game where it is actually not.) I must state that I do not believe that this is the case, but I am not sure. If someone found the reels for a standard RTG then the SlotAnalyzer program could test it.

2) When changing the payout% for a slot it also changes the reels and only the reels (symbols on the reels). Paytable is the same. This would be the perfect way to do it.

3) The reels stay the same, but wins from 'bonus games' are decreased.
Examples:
For 'picking bonus games' this is easy. Simply just decrease the average win.
For games like 'Fruit Frenzy' simply just reduce the chance to hit. (We have seen this in action... It reduced the payout but 20% when you could never hit)
For games that gives a random #freespins and #Multiplier simply just decrease these.
I do not like this solution!

4) For the Rapid Fire Jackpot slots there also is this solution. Decrease the contribution from each spin to the jackpot and give it to the casino. This I would also say is a fair way to do it.

5) Changing the paytables. I know this is not the case for RTG since the paytables are the same for all RTG casinos, but I am listing it to make the list complete. This is also a fair way to it and was used by Rival.

Can anyone think of more ways to do it? Of course mixing several of these solution can also be used.

I must add that I actually disapprove of changing the payout% for a slot unless it is done for all casinos, because the players never know what they get.
When you play 'Thunderstruck' it is always the same no matter what MG casino you play it. I believe it hurts the RTG brand that the same slot is actually not the same slot for individual casinos or over time.

Zoozie

 

[Lord_Have_Mercy]

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[KasinoKing]

RTG hard? YES, look at my account history from this RTG casino? No Cashouts, no nothing! This is from BJ and Real-series Slots.

11/3/2006 11:52:42 AM Coupon 'G398N ' redeemed $175.00
11/3/2006 11:52:42 AM Neteller Deposit Approved! $100.00.. etc, etc, etc, etc....!

Man you have a SERIOUS gambling problem!
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE stop NOW!

(If you really can't stop, at least give RTG's a miss - there is something seriously wrong with their slots Try Hype or inChilli instead!)

 

[vinylweatherman]

Slow

A while back, RTG slots were really SLOW, and it was pretty obvious the reels were a sham when the third bonus symbol was needed. With this, RTG slots use a rising tone and spin the reel for much longer than usual, and it was surprising how suddenly on Goldbeard the final reel went on and on and there was not a SINGLE GOLBEARD to be seen come past!!! In normal mode, Goldbeard flashes past on a regular basis. To me, this means the RTG reelbands are fluid, not fixed as in MG, and can change on a spin by spin basis, also changing between normal and bonus spins (they have us believe the changes to the reels during bonus rounds improve our chances, but if the wins are not determined by random reel stops then it is just an illusion).

It reminds me of Lasseters, who use an infinite deck model for Blackjack, perhaps RTG have something similar for generating the reels on the fly depending on payout percentage settings made by the operator for various parts of the slot game. This would make them "Fruit Machines (as in rigged to percentage settings)", not traditional random casino slots.

 

[mikepipe]

This question has also bugged me a lot. We know for sure that the RTG casino mangers can change the payout%, but how does the slots implement this ie. what is changed for the slots?

I see the following solutions:

1) (Hard to explain) The reels are an deception at RTG 5-reel slots. Only a single random is used to generate the win. The reels are then just showing a position matching this win. This is not the standard way 5-reel slots are working and it is a kind of cheating the players actually showing the reels. I do not hope this is true. But if it is, then it is very easy to change the payout%, and this is why I include this case. Rival and MG slots does not work this way! , and I think the big majorty of casino slot-software also does not work this way. 'Normally' the 5-reel are actually used to determined the spin result and then the win is calculated. Doing it the other way around is deceptive. (Like showing a card game where it is actually not.) I must state that I do not believe that this is the case, but I am not sure. If someone found the reels for a standard RTG then the SlotAnalyzer program could test it.


i am not sure, if this helps - but:
in the early days of Cleos gold it was easily to predict, when the feature was to come, because all the five "wheels" turned much longer than in a normal spin, sometimes so long that you began to think of a connection problem.
and when they finally landed - you had the free spins - always!

and a second thing that made me wonder: i hit the 3 achilles once and left the game without choosing one! When i came back a minute later, it showed 15 free games .-- hmmm???

 

[Zoozie]

A while back, RTG slots were really SLOW, and it was pretty obvious the reels were a sham when the third bonus symbol was needed. With this, RTG slots use a rising tone and spin the reel for much longer than usual, and it was surprising how suddenly on Goldbeard the final reel went on and on and there was not a SINGLE GOLBEARD to be seen come past!!! In normal mode, Goldbeard flashes past on a regular basis. To me, this means the RTG reelbands are fluid, not fixed as in MG, and can change on a spin by spin basis, also changing between normal and bonus spins (they have us believe the changes to the reels during bonus rounds improve our chances, but if the wins are not determined by random reel stops then it is just an illusion).

Yes, excactly what I described in 1) which was the worst case scenario.
I have not really seen this myself at RTG. I have been watching Ceasar's Empire where you need to get a colloseum on the last reel. It is an extremely long reel with just 1 colloseum, but it does seem to be the same wether it will be important to hit it or not. So I can not confirm this from this slot.
For me it would be very important if RTG are actually faking the reels to match a given payout and very unethical. However I am not sure most casual slot players are aware enough of this deception or understands it. I am sure RTG does not care though. But for me this is just a no-no on the same level as faking card/dice games. However the wierd Nevada law only covers games with card/dice. So not much to do about if it indeed is true. (Except I would never touch a RTG slot again). Changing reels during the bonus game is also deception unless the players are made aware of it. And bascially this should only be allowed where 1 symbol replaces another or similar, which is the
mechanic in 'Moonshine' and also 'Caesars Empire'.

If it is a Fruit slot people show be aware of that! And actually expect a 6-sided dice to land on #1 about 50% of the time etc. (Reminds me of a bonus game on a slot at Starluck casino. Cant remember the slot name though)

Zoozie

 

[hbears341]

Add me to the list of not getting anything in the RTG's lately. BoDog is so unbelievably cold right now it's not even funny!

 

[KasinoKing]

A while back, RTG slots were really SLOW, and it was pretty obvious the reels were a sham when the third bonus symbol was needed. With this, RTG slots use a rising tone and spin the reel for much longer than usual, and it was surprising how suddenly on Goldbeard the final reel went on and on and there was not a SINGLE GOLBEARD to be seen come past!!! In normal mode, Goldbeard flashes past on a regular basis. To me, this means the RTG reelbands are fluid, not fixed as in MG, and can change on a spin by spin basis, also changing between normal and bonus spins (they have us believe the changes to the reels during bonus rounds improve our chances, but if the wins are not determined by random reel stops then it is just an illusion).

Strange, but I made the exact opposite observation!
I RTG slots are the only ones I can think of where the spin is slow enough to see the symbols spinning past - and the reels aways seem 'true' to me.
i.e. when that 5th reel is spinning I can see the symbol I need go past every time! Knowing roughly the length of time it spins & seeing where the symbol is I am happy that it stops correctly. (i.e. the bonus symbol is in or not in the window as I predict).
However, as Mikepipe said, I am 100% convinced that the software decides the moment you hit 'spin' if you will get the feature or not, and then it just stops the reels in the relevant positions.

 

[1819]

well i finally had a good session at inet after getting slaughtered for weeks. now comes the fun part. im cashing out. i live in one of the evil states where gambling is a no no but inet has gladly accepted my deposits no problem. lets see how the cashout goes. lol. also maple still accepts my wagers and has continued to mail me checks even though i dont live in the free zone.

 

[soflat]

well i finally had a good session at inet after getting slaughtered for weeks.

Wow, I'm surprised anybody hits anything at iNetBet.

 

[darkpixie]

Add me to the soaked at iNet list... Never been up there. But virtually every session I have had at VIP and 49ers I at least get a few good wins and cash out about 75% of the time.
I've got some spare cash here so I'm gonna give it another $50 and see if they can prove me wrong.

 

[darkpixie]

Well that didn't take long, deposited $50 got a match bonus and played with $100 Spun about 125 spins and now just cleaning out less than a buck.
Big thumbs down... How is this fun?

 

[babs7262]

I guess Im alone

Geez

I guess I stand alone here. Play United has been great to me. I have been hitting bonuses with retriggers left and right. I cashed out 3 times since Sunday. Cleopatra is up to almost 16k, there are atleast 4 games at 6K and a few at 5K. Diamond Dozen just hit for $7K yesterday. Golden Glove isnt too bad either.

If you go.....the Lion one isnt that good and honey to the bee isnt that great but tiger treasures, cleopatra, aztec and caesers has been doing well for me. Ohh...mister money isnt that great either

 

[soflat]

Well that didn't take long, deposited $50 got a match bonus and played with $100 Spun about 125 spins and now just cleaning out less than a buck.
Big thumbs down... How is this fun?

That is about how my sessions at iNet go. I am down about $800 to them and usually bust out 10-20% thru the wagering requirement. I did have one small cashout on a poker coupon long ago.

It's strange because they are one of the few RTGs to actually publish their payout% and they look pretty good, but I've never had such consistent bad luck anywhere else.

 

[Addisyn]

I am just disappointed in the last few sessions at RTGs, Played at 49er today which is my favorite RTG. Quick payouts when I was actually cashing out.

Deposited $100. Got no features in any of the games I played and was down to zero in less than 10 mins. I, too, ask how is that fun!

 

[Zaqwert]

I work as a software developer for RTG, working directly on the casino software, and alot of what's being said is completely off base.

It should be noted that I am not an official spokesman for RTG and nothing I say is official company speak, etc.

Our software is 100% fair. We literally do tens of millions of spins to verify the payout percentages of our slots.

There is nothing casino operators can do to modify our software to make it unfair. We provide operators with the ability to customize the casino in certain ways, but no matter what options they select the games are fair and have been tested.

We have lots of very talented and hard working folks working every day to make our software top notch.

I can't go into too many details of course, but in a month or two RTG software is probably the only thing you'll want to play on.

Hot/cold streaks happen, it's the nature of gambling games. I'm a poker player and have a great familiarity with variance. I'll close with some quotes from one of my fav. poker books when discussing random and independent events.

"The human brain is terrific at identifying patterns. .

... Sometimes our overzealous brains find pattersn where none actually exists. Some of us see faces on the moon or animal shapes in the stars.

... Our brains invented all of this nonsense to explain something it clearly wasn't designed to understand: completely random events with absolutely no pattern or meaning whatsoever."

"Small Stakes Hold Em"

 

[silcnlayc]

"

The human brain is terrific at identifying patterns.

.I usually supplement my slots play with blackjack when I get low on funds during a session and I find that there is a "pattern" for I have been doing this for years (other threads I have spoken of it this).

Last night for example, I ran my funds down 6 times in slot play, went to multi hand spanish bj 4 times and on the 4th time, I almost lost all of it which was my clue to "switch" bj games, and switched to reg multi hand bj for the next 3 visits and then busted out.

I usually can revisit blackjack about 5-6times on a given session before busting out EVERY SINGLE TIME. My husband actually makes me come into the computer room when he is playing slots also and his funds get down to $30 and has me rebuild it for him to extend his playing time also. There is a pattern I believe, for why is it I can play like this for YEARS if there wasn't a pattern in the software? Just my opinion and feeling.

 

[soflat]

I work as a software developer for RTG, working directly on the casino software, and alot of what's being said is completely off base.

Well there have been numerous threads recently where players ask legitimate questions about RTG slots, but they were ignored for no reason (it's not like they would have revealed any trade secrets or anything by answering some very simple questions). So RTG is off base, not the players.

 

[dominique]

" .I usually supplement my slots play with blackjack when I get low on funds during a session and I find that there is a "pattern" for I have been doing this for years (other threads I have spoken of it this).

Last night for example, I ran my funds down 6 times in slot play, went to multi hand spanish bj 4 times and on the 4th time, I almost lost all of it which was my clue to "switch" bj games, and switched to reg multi hand bj for the next 3 visits and then busted out.

I usually can revisit blackjack about 5-6times on a given session before busting out EVERY SINGLE TIME. My husband actually makes me come into the computer room when he is playing slots also and his funds get down to $30 and has me rebuild it for him to extend his playing time also. There is a pattern I believe, for why is it I can play like this for YEARS if there wasn't a pattern in the software? Just my opinion and feeling.

This is something I used to do too. It worked most of the time.

 

[me_and_ed]

"The human brain is terrific at identifying patterns. .

... Sometimes our overzealous brains find pattersn where none actually exists. Some of us see faces on the moon or animal shapes in the stars.

... Our brains invented all of this nonsense to explain something it clearly wasn't designed to understand: completely random events with absolutely no pattern or meaning whatsoever."

Reminds me of the acid days of old.

 

[tennis_balls]

my brain has identified a pattern....

while I've often cashed out at MG, Crypto and a few other independents, I've never even sniffed victory at an RTG.

 

[Zaqwert]

I didn't mean my post as any sort of attack on anyone, but as simply as reassurance, for whatever that's worth. I know nothing I say will be able to convince anyone who's already made up their mind about something, but like I said, I just wanted to offer assurances that you ARE getting a fair shake.

It's just frustrating to see some people so convinced of something you have first hand knowledge is wrong.

And as always, standard disclaimer, I'm not an official company spokesman nor in the PR dept or anything like that. Just my own thoughts/opinions.

 

[soflat]

Uggh. I just did it again. Another 183 spins, no bonus round. Only made it thru 24% of the wagering requirement.

 

[silcnlayc]

It's just frustrating to see some people so convinced of something

After a few thousand in deposits and the new "upgrade" for Club World casino, the games have gone straight down the tubes. Never have I had so many downright unimaginable plays in the world. Even real life couldn't duplicate what Club World has done to the games., And before anyone jumps on the bandwagon screaming "another one thinking the games are fixed", you will be way off base here. This is NOT what I am saying or trying to get across.

I sent an email to Club World stating this same fact after the upgrades and asked them if they even considered playing their own games to "see" how it responds to any given player. Never heard another thing. Stayed away for about a month to see if anything has changed, and it hasn't.

This is the results of 100's of hands (PLAYING PERFECT STRATEGY EVEN) with an average win of about 5 out of 40 since the upgrade. The dealer was dealt in sequence 6 aces in a row and had 4 blackjacks and a 20....after that run for the dealer I decided to make a copy of a hand or two which I did back to back just to get across the idea of just what kind of hands they are putting out CONTINUOUSLY since the upgrade..a player doesn't have a chance here at all.

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Now, I hit the bonus round 3 times (on my trial period of thinking of making a return to play) during this most recent session which I found exciting, until I received a bonus payoff in the amounts of $6-12 respectively for all 3 rounds.

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I have hit this bonus round at another RTG MANY TIMES and have come away with $100-250 each and almost every time on a $1 bet. Here I bet $2 just for effect.

This is at Club World Casino. I am not saying it is not a good casino, I am saying it is a casino that might want to go back and test their own games for IMO, it is not a very good place to invest in if you plan on trying to make your money last.

This is not sour grapes, or a bad run (for I am winning at other RTG's, and MG casinos) It is this casino only I find the play so very "off" compared to other RTG's that I am amazed no one else sees it or has brought it up.

This casino has truly changed from when I first started playing there and I can't believe no one else has noticed this. And because it IS on the casinmeister's list, I would loved to have stayed, but must pass for now.

 

[mikepipe]

I simply dont know: Is there anything that sould prevent me from substituting CLUB WORLD by any other RTG name?
I had absolutely identical experiences with CLUB WORLD (3k for nothing), absolutely identical with 49er (2,5k for nothing) desasters with King Solomons (-23k over one year) and so on.
Either its bad luck for a heavy lot of us, or RTG isnt what we would call "fair"

I reduced my RTG activity on inetbet, approx. 500 a week, and the results are ok.
I can reduce that to a simple point: i dont trust them anymore (except Emily)