Brutal RTG sessions

[winbig]

I can't say much, because in the few years I've been gambling online, I have never been up enough to cash out at a non-RTG casino.

I've always have the worst luck at Playtech (before the UIGEA) and MG casinos...

RTG is the only platform where I am in the black overall, by about $3-4K

 

[PegeeSue]

That can't be, becasue they didn't payout more than $ 500 a day and if you want to pay out more, you must wait 2-3 business days, to get your next $ 500 (not one day, as written in their T&C) and this is for me a fact, why i'll never play there in the future, because this really sucks!
The same is certainly on their Sistercasino SciFi!

Mike. You are right when you say $500..but it wasn't in one day..the first withdraw transaction was $500.00 in 2 days...When I seen that in my ewallet I immediately called them asking wtf?..they told me that was their withdraw policy but now because they processed the first $500. The rest in TOTAL would be done in the next 1-3 working days. It was the next day that I received the rest of the money into my ewallet.

You can only do withdraws of $500 per. But you can do as many $500 withdraws as your balance allows. The initial withdraw of 500 is the first one they do then they give you the rest in bulk as they did me. I was surprised to say the least.

Although it was a great win. Choosing ewallet has it's pros and cons. To depo into ewallet from my bank they charge $1.50 which was so great I though. But to withdraw from ewallet back into my bank account they charge a whopping 10% of the total withdraw.

 

[steinhaug]

But to withdraw from ewallet back into my bank account they charge a whopping 10% of the total withdraw.

OMG! That's what I call a nice looking business model!

 

[Mike031]

Mike. You are right when you say $500..but it wasn't in one day.

Surely, why not and btw. i must know this exactly, because i could withdraw very much, but you must withdraw your balance up to 12pm EST, after it, you get your money only the next day

Certainly only business days!

 

[Kenny Lingus]

Why RTG Sucks

After reading a few of those who had responded to the thread after I posted (specifically, those who like RTG casinos), I decided to return for one more session so that I could figure out exactly why I hate the RTG casinos & software soooo much. $150.00 later, I've boiled it down to this:

1) You almost always hit line payouts that are meager. When I used to play MG software, I could hit a 5 symbol payline (or better yet, 5 scatters) and have some cash to play with for a while. At RTG, I have never hit a 5 symbol payline above Aces (or Pears at Fruit Frenzy), nor 5 scatters (only 4 a few times). Today, I hit 5 10s on Raindance, with a $1.00 total bet, and I won....6 whole dollars. And 5 9s on Achilles paid....4 dollars! Give me a f---in' break! If you don't hit the feature or RJ at RTG, you just have no chance on the slots.

2) The "near misses" that continually pop up on the slots. "Yeah, I coulda won really big if the reels stopped sooner on the 4th and 5th reel." Who do these idiots think they are kidding? Does anybody really believe that these are mechanical-working slots? To continually have the reels show a big(ger) winner "if they just would have alligned in a slightly different manner", is just a constant reminder that you actually just won a sucky payout. Anyone with half a brain will realize that the "better" combination that didn't come is one big tease.

3) The annoying way the wheels spin when you are hoping to hit one of the features. (I would really like to meet the guy who is responsible for this charming feature, just so I could knee him in the groin.) There are a few different ways that this is so irritating. First, it's retarded and serves absolutely no legitimate purpose. Second, it is totally frustrating when the process starts and ends without hitting the feature succesfully, as you know that if you don't hit one soon, you might be done (see #1 above). Finally, there is nothing as bad as seeing the winning/completing symbol pass by during this whirring period, knowing that it won't hit this time. A simple question - why is this silly additional spinning period necessary? Why can't the reels just spin normally?

4) Random Jackpots. I wouldn't complain if I won one (I haven't), but I object to the fact that these are paid to a few, at the expense of many. If I wanted this type of "action", I would play Little Lotto. Just another large amount of cash staring me in the face that I have little chance to win. And really, who knows what liberties are taken with these funds? There are no rules to be followed in administering this money, just the good will of the casino operators, which I'm sure is an oxymoron of some sort.

5) No 5-line or 9-line slots (well, ok they have a few older, crappy ones). My favorite MG slots are of the Thunderstruck variety. A nine-line slot packs more of a "punch" when you hit a good payline, compared to a 20 or 25 line slot, who's payout will be a little "watered down" comparibly speaking. RTG has 30-some video slots, all are 20 lines (except Fruit Frenzy, which is 25, and the older, outdated ones), and all rely on some sort of trick/feature in order to payout big. Why not a slot or two that just pays out aggressively?

And that is my top five reasons why RTG sucks. I'm sure there are a few more, but I am getting tired now, so this will have to do.

Which leads me to a question for you all: are there any other types of online casinos that one can play in Illinois besides RTG? And what deposit options does a player have at these alternatives?

 

[Mike031]

Today, I hit 5 10s on Raindance, with a $1.00 total bet, and I won....6 whole dollars.

Okay i must agree with you, that "Rain Dance's" Free Spins really sucks, because you can only win much, when you get the 100 free spins and if they're retrigger, although the maximum payout 40,000x your betline is also a joke, because that's not really fair.
I think you must play and lose very long, before you'll get this 100 free spins, so it were only fair, to get all your money, you could win and i've never heard/seen about such a rule on another Casino!

 

[steinhaug]

Great post man, you made my day over here,

And 5 9s on Achilles paid....4 dollars! Give me a f---in' break!

It's a joke really, I must admit MG's Avalon as example ain't much better with it's 9s and 10s, however - you usually win if you get the feature.

The "near misses" that continually pop up on the slots.

I thought it was supposed to be random? Near misses ain't random in my head! Its cold, it's calculated to trigger the gambling mind.

I would really like to meet the guy who is responsible for this charming feature, just so I could knee him in the groin.

Haha! When I think of it, I'll join you! Where did that fast spin button hide itself by the way?

Random Jackpots.

If I understood it correctly, most people getting the "random" jackpots have gotten them more than once aswell. This can be concluded when reading the "RTG Survival Guide" which some users in here have written, and in this guide, you need to get the random jackpots to stay ahead... Hmmm... By the way, I never got one either.

No 5-line or 9-line slots

Totally agree, I enjoy theese myself. Infact I love the ones without feature aswell, they really have to throw a punch with their winnings, since the system cant "hide" the winnings in a theoretical possible you might get feature with x7 multiplier, if you get my drift.

 

[silcnlayc]

Closed account @ Bodog

Being only one of the few casinos left taking american players..I thought long and hard on leaving this casino. This last session I had was the final straw.

It convinced me in making this break from Bodog's not because I had never cashed out, but because I haven't had any decent play session for weeks for the amount I invested.

The last few weeks the sessions have lasted maybe a few minutes if that and I was no longer enjoying strictly depositing and was tired of the excuses being made on the software changes I felt were done.

I used to be able to hit a few hands in blackjack before a run of losses, but the last few deposits were srtickly losses...nothing was feeling good about these sessions and I needed to make it known that the "feel" has gone off on the games.

Good luck to anyone staying with them.

Please do not get me wrong, I am not saying FIXED, I am saying changes...to the players detriment. I did mention that the feel was off a few weeks ago when the play time became almost nil and now I sent them my last email.

The response here to my email is an excerpt from bodog:

Thank you for contacting Bodog Casino Customer Service.

We are sorry to hear that you wish to no longer play in our casino. However, we have deactivated your casino account as per your request. If you would like it re-activated after 72 hours or more we ask that you contact Casino Customer Service.

While we can understand your frustration with the last twenty hands that were played at our Blackjack tables and the results are as follows, the dealer had 17 winning hands, there was 2 pushes and 1 win for the player.

Again we can understand your feelings of aggravation with this session but we assure you that the software is fair and the cards are random as we have explained in our previous correspondences. Even though it was a bad session we hope that you will give us a chance to give you many fun winning sessions with us.

My question is, how many players are they willing to lose when the amount of play session goes to nil for everyone? I know I can't be the only one experiencing this for the last few weeks.

As they stated, I must be in one helluva losing streak..but one thing they forgot was, it IS my money ,and I don't need them as much as they are going to need me....in these times of unrest in the online gaming industry.

If and when it does get regulated, Bodog will be my LAST choice to return to now.

 

[SlotsWizard]

the dealer had 17 winning hands, there was 2 pushes and 1 win for the player

...

we assure you that the software is fair and the cards are random

I know exactly how you feel. You feel like you have been cheated. This is the kind of "bad luck" I always experienced when I played RTG blackjack.

Mind you, I learned from this and sometimes still do play RTG blackjack but never more than $5 a bet - anything larger than that and I am sure to lose. Even a $5 bet is asking for trouble.

Back in the day when I had a lot of good luck and 4-digit withdrawals going into my Neteller almost daily, I made a rather large deposit at Bodog to play some blackjack. If I bet small I could sometimes win but as soon I bet big - $100, $200 or $500 - I always lost, without fail.

I have a hard time believing that RTG blackjack is 100% random and fair. It feels like the server has made the win/push/lose decision before any cards are dealt, and then it deals cards to fulfill that decision. All too often you're dealt 12-20 and the dealer has a 6 showing, so you stand. Well lo an behold, YET AGAIN he's got a 4 or 5 underneath and a 10 on the way.

And it's not just Bodog where I experienced this, it's all RTG's. Although I think Bodog is right up there with the Virtual Group and you made a good choice by dropping them.

For the record, I have had similar bad luck with MG blackjack, but this is balanced out because I have also had good luck with MG blackjack. With RTG blackjack I have NEVER had ANYTHING but bad "luck".

 

[Hihohiho0]

I'm through with RTG - period. I know everyone has been saying its been bad lately - for some anyway but for heaven's sake! nothing? I played MG this morning and still have plenty to play with tomorrow - this has NEVER happend at an RTG and I've been giving it a really decent try for the past 2-3 months. No more... unless I get a managers bonus - and then its quits!!

 

[Bud249]

RTG Killed me. Iwas curious as to how bad it really was, so I printed out my deposit history for the last 18 mo,(as far back as I could go). I printed out 27 sheets of deposits and "bonuses" amounting to $26,660. LMAO ...My biggest hit was on Golden Glove. $5.00 spin worth $253.00. No wonder thet always gave me !50 to 175% Bonuses. I learned the hard way.

 

[ergopro]

Brutal.
Brutal.
Brutal.
Since day 1, brutal.
And some people say RTG's are loose...umm, not

 

[Mike031]

hm, i started 2 hours ago with a $102 deposit and now i'm up on $328, so i can't complain about it

 

[silcnlayc]

Trust me....

Trust me...take it and run , fast!

i started 2 hours ago with a $102 deposit and now i'm up on $328

Before they figure out you're ahead!

 

[Kaynos72]

I call conspiracy theory on that. RTG for me, often allow me to play way longer than MG. Only on rare occasion i will be able to play longer for the same amount of money on a MG casino.

Just to prove my point, i deposit 100$ in free play money on both a RTG and a MG casino and started playing the 2 popular slots, Enchanted Gardens and Thunderstuck at 1$ a spin for Garden and .90 for Thunderstuck.

My point is to see who's go broke the fastest. Well my result are not suprising, as you can see on the pictures below here are the results :

Picture 1 : Show both game starting a 100$ each.

Picture 2 : Show both game result after 100 spins.

Picture 3 : Show both game result after 200 spins.

After 100 spins : MG Bankroll 55.99$, RTG bankroll 106.95$
After 200 spins : MG Banroll 0$ (busted at spin 198), RTG bankroll 129.70$

Too bad RTG don't have statistic like MG have, cause after 198 spins on thunderstruck i never got the feature once, highest win is an amazing 5.30$.

200 spins later on Enchanted Garden i got the feature tree times and my highest win was 48$ from one of the feature.

I know you all gonna say this is only 1 example, but it reflect very well my experience i have on both RTG and MG. I have WAY much better luck playing RTG slots than MG slots.

Just want to say this lastly. This thread is almost a year old. Maybe back last year the RTG slots we're tighter than today, i don't know i only been playing online casino for 3 months. But as you can see today RTG are not that bad. I often see great payout in the winner screenshots section of this site, this prove that RTG are not as bad as some peoples might want everyone to believe.

 

[Mike031]

Trust me...take it and run , fast! Before they figure out you're ahead!

I can't do this now, because there's a bonus on it, so i must wager it 20 times

Btw. now i'm up on $378 (you can see it on the legendary winnerscreenshotsthread)

 

[Rusty]

LOL Maybe you didn't notice you were in fun play RTG?

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For a full explanation of these rules contact any RTG casino manager and they will be more than glad to ignore you.

 

[Mike031]

@Rusty sorry, but do you know what nonsense you've written here now? You must really be very bored or anything else, because you only complain every day about all RTGs and play again every day, so stop only playing on RTGs and you must not write such silly things and we must not read this crap! Thanks!

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Just to prove my point, i deposit 100$ in free play money on both a RTG and a MG casino and started playing the 2 popular slots, Enchanted Gardens and Thunderstuck at 1$ a spin for Garden and .90 for Thunderstuck.

Using the same amount of money on 1 v 1 slot tho isnt a fair test in my opinion. Everyone who plays MG casinos regularly know that some slots play cold, others play red hot. staying on the one slot knowing its playing badly is bad strategy. In at least 50 % of all cases i guarantee had you used that 100 deposit and moved about from slot to slot you would have found games that paid out and im also pretty sure your MG deposit would greatly have outlasted your RTG one. Playing only 1 slot and catching it in `take` mode is guaranteed to take your money really quickly.
I play with roughly 5 % of my balance per slot, if nothings come of it by that time move onto another. Of course this doesnt always work or id be very rich by now lol but still MG has that many slots now, the hardest part is actually finding the few buggers that are streaking hot, but trust me their always out there.

I put 50 on 3 weeks ago!! at jackpotcity. My balance currently reads 1045 and I play at least 5 or 6 hours every day! I defy ANYONE at an RTG to say the same lol (RJ winners aside lol)

 

[Kaynos72]

You really believe that hot and cold stuff ? I tought these casino had legit RNG on slot. Every spins is supposed to be random and what i won or lost last time should not have any influence on my future wins or losses.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

I do see your point and i do agree that thats how it should be, unfortunately after several years of playing MG im also aware of how they ARE and to me this is it in its exact. On one side i can see the logic of it. I believe that every slot has its own lets call it a `bank`and over time, the bank fills paying out smallish wins as it goes. Eventually the bank reaches lets say critical and the computer running the slot decides its time for a big win or wins and some lucky bugger or buggers gets it. Once said slot has `given out its dues` it takes time for the bank to refill and to me this is when it plays cold. Thunderstruck in my opinion for example seems to pay out far more often than other slots because more people play it which fills the `bank`quicker.

I realise these are only my musings but to me it makes sense. Said slots have a % payout range or lets say an average of 92-94 % but if the slot has recently paid out more than its taken in you can be jolly sure its going to rectify that situation and i Strongly believe that every slot on the MG network has its own `bank` which fills up at its own rate depending on peoples rate of play. Casinos have to pay out the % figures they claim to but if a slot has taken nothing believe me it will pay out nothing too.

Not a very scientific opinion by any means lol but speaking from a business point of view it does make perfect business sense.

I had prime property bonus out literaly 20 or 30 times yesterday and made a pretty penny off it, today i cant get it out once and ive had thousands of spins on it. Please dont insult my intelligence by telling me that yesterday and today are running on the same set of `rules` cos their clearly not

 

[heatherad]

I deposited $27 at ClubWorld yesterday expecting to get max 20 minutes of playing time.
Surprise, surprise, I actually got to play on the $27 for almost 6 hours. That was so unexpected as I've not gotten more than a half hour playing time there in a few months.
I didn't win, and I didn't get my balance up past $80, but at least I had fun for 6 hours.
I'm sure the next time I'll more than pay for it and probably only get 5 minutes of playing time lol

 

[ergopro]

Made 4deposits before this screenshot- each was gone in minutes.
Thought I'd try some Goldbeard...started with 150$- after a bit over 60!!! spins the balance was down 50$...
Brutal.

And 15minutes later 20$ left flat betting 1$/spin.

Note, that I'm only complaining about the slots...they just seem too streaky.
I've had decent results with blackjack and video poker.

 

[GrandMaster]

I do see your point and i do agree that thats how it should be, unfortunately after several years of playing MG im also aware of how they ARE and to me this is it in its exact. On one side i can see the logic of it. I believe that every slot has its own lets call it a `bank`and over time, the bank fills paying out smallish wins as it goes. Eventually the bank reaches lets say critical and the computer running the slot decides its time for a big win or wins and some lucky bugger or buggers gets it. Once said slot has `given out its dues` it takes time for the bank to refill and to me this is when it plays cold. Thunderstruck in my opinion for example seems to pay out far more often than other slots because more people play it which fills the `bank`quicker.

I realise these are only my musings but to me it makes sense. Said slots have a % payout range or lets say an average of 92-94 % but if the slot has recently paid out more than its taken in you can be jolly sure its going to rectify that situation and i Strongly believe that every slot on the MG network has its own `bank` which fills up at its own rate depending on peoples rate of play. Casinos have to pay out the % figures they claim to but if a slot has taken nothing believe me it will pay out nothing too.

Not a very scientific opinion by any means lol but speaking from a business point of view it does make perfect business sense.

I had prime property bonus out literaly 20 or 30 times yesterday and made a pretty penny off it, today i cant get it out once and ive had thousands of spins on it. Please dont insult my intelligence by telling me that yesterday and today are running on the same set of `rules` cos their clearly not

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[AudiManinBoro]

heh you can quote statistical numbers to me all day long but ill always put my belief in human nature or more importantly the nature of man today - which is to cheat, lie and steal if he can get away with. Todays world is more corrupt than its ever been right from daytime tv phone in fixing to horse racing to yes online casinos. No industry is safe from tampering these days and the casino one certainly isnt