Brutal RTG sessions

[soflat]

I can't hit anything at Club World. If they ever want me to deposit again they'll have to publish their slot payouts, because they are tight as heck.

 

[swampwitch]

For what it's worth, yesterday I won $300 from a $50 deposit at Club USA (World), playing just slots. It was in my Neteller within 2 hours.

I have always had the most luck with RTG. Micro has given me very few wins, with the exception of 32Red, where I can't play anymore. Playtech sucked the life right outta me. Lasseters was pretty damned good to me, so of course I can't play there anymore, either (Go figure. An entire freaking CONTINENT a'scairt to go against Chimpy McFlightsuit and his Pen of Armageddon.).

 

[Nifty29]

Well, as Emily has said, the slot payouts are around 96% which is actually very good (our land-based slots in Oz have a mandated 88% return).

HOWEVER - does this figure include the random jackpots? If so, then Im sure the actual return to players who DONT win a jackpot must be somewhat lower.....??. Im not a stats man, but in reality it must affect how much you win on a session by session basis.

Also, remember that a certain % of every spin goes toward the jackpot so the regular payout will be less (jackpot not withstanding) then a stand alone slot with no jackpot e.g. MG slots

Im happy to stand corrected if someone has a better explanation

 

[Addisyn]

Well, as Emily has said, the slot payouts are around 96% which is actually very good (our land-based slots in Oz have a mandated 88% return).

HOWEVER - does this figure include the random jackpots? If so, then Im sure the actual return to players who DONT win a jackpot must be somewhat lower.....??. Im not a stats man, but in reality it must affect how much you win on a session by session basis.

Very interesting observation. Any of you statisticians have any thoughts on this?

I too have detected a pattern. My losing streak has now extended past a month. If and when I do hit a feature, usually on a $2.00 per spin bet, my return is averaging around $16.00 for the session. In the past it ranged closer to $100.00 for a session. Recently I have had free spin sessions where not one spin will hit and I come away with just the initial payout for hitting the feature which is measly. You can't sustain any play time with results like this so I have now given up.

The only thing I can suggest is to wait until there is a regulatory arm for the RTG casinos certifying their payout percentages. I will wait.

Pattern: A customary way of operation or behavior.

It isn't a perception it is an expectation of certain behavior.

 

[soflat]

Well, as Emily has said, the slot payouts are around 96% which is actually very good (our land-based slots in Oz have a mandated 88% return).

HOWEVER - does this figure include the random jackpots? If so, then Im sure the actual return to players who DONT win a jackpot must be somewhat lower.....??. Im not a stats man, but in reality it must affect how much you win on a session by session basis.

Also, remember that a certain % of every spin goes toward the jackpot so the regular payout will be less (jackpot not withstanding) then a stand alone slot with no jackpot e.g. MG slots

Im happy to stand corrected if someone has a better explanation

iNet's slots payouts were 94.30% in 1995 (the last year they reported them), and they decreased every year since 2001 (as per their website).

It is unknown what Club World has their slots set at as they do not report them. They must not want players to know just how tight they are.

iNet's websiate goes on to state: "However, some of the best pay back percentages in the world are at iNetBet. We beat our competition by almost 10% in favor of you the player. "

I don't know who they are referring to, but maybe it is their RTG competitors such as Club World. That would suggest a very low payout on some RTGs.

Also, I agree about the jackpot contribution affecting the base game payout. Progressives are generally tighter than other slots.

 

[pingpong]

after playing RTG slots for two years

...I had to reduce the bet from 1 dollar a spin to 40 cent a spin. The brutal sessions were just too many, and reduced betsize was the only way to deposit 100 dollar every now and then and get them to last an entertaining hour or two.

As I see it, the only way to "survive" at RTG casinos, is winning the random jackpot once a year or so. My own payoutpercent at Inetbet is about 85-90 percent, but only because I got a 2200 dollar RJ in March last year. At 49ers and clubworld, the percent is probaby around 25-30 - due to the fact that I have never hit a RJ there.

The RTG-slots are VERY addictive, and the (very tiny) chance of hitting a mega RJ on a small bet is tempting. Face it folks, we all want one of those bigges. Without those RJs I think people would stick to MG or Wagerlogic.

 

[babs7262]

Finally, a w/d

OMG

I agree with you guys. I finally got a measly $120 w/d from Casino World but I had the worst 2 months before that. I have been sloing down

The funny thing is, we went to a B&M Saturday and I put in my first $20 and hit for $113, left that machine, went downstairs, put in $20 and on my second spin, hit for another $120

Plus,,,,free parking, free dinner and cashback from them (I won win their money). We spent the whole day for free plus got paid!!

 

[vinylweatherman]

Brutal

I finally had a decent session at King Solomons from my regular 100 deposit at weekends. Normally I use one of the coupons, but I was getting errors trying to redeem them (it said I had already used them, but I had not). I deposited 100 and added my comps to give me a 17% bonus I got this up to 700 with a few 50x stake bonus rounds (pretty unusual for RTG, where I have found 10x the more likely result).
I deposit FAR MORE at Microgaming, since they don't have the ability to mess with payouts that RTG has, and they publish payout figures so would not dare do anything too harsh as they would be found out. RTG hide their payouts, and from the paytable at Club World's Tri-Card Poker, which is screwed down so tight it hurts (35/25) I would suspect the slots are similarly screwed down tight.

 

[Simmo!]

Plus,,,,free parking..

To be fair, I get free parking from several online casinos too. They should advertise this more.

 

[Pinababy69]

To be fair, I get free parking from several online casinos too. They should advertise this more.

I thought your Muppet Mobile was in the shop Simmo?

 

[pingpong]

...I had to reduce the bet from 1 dollar a spin to 40 cent a spin. The brutal sessions were just too many, and reduced betsize was the only way to deposit 100 dollar every now and then and get them to last an entertaining hour or two.

As I see it, the only way to "survive" at RTG casinos, is winning the random jackpot once a year or so. My own payoutpercent at Inetbet is about 85-90 percent, but only because I got a 2200 dollar RJ in March last year. At 49ers and clubworld, the percent is probaby around 25-30 - due to the fact that I have never hit a RJ there.

The RTG-slots are VERY addictive, and the (very tiny) chance of hitting a mega RJ on a small bet is tempting. Face it folks, we all want one of those bigges. Without those RJs I think people would stick to MG or Wagerlogic.

Well, Inetbet has now informed me that my payoutpercent is higher than I estimated, somewhere between 95 and 98 percent. My main point is still that you need to win a RJ regularly (anually?) to be ahead at RTGs casinos. I fully believe this, after watching all my deposits at other RTG casinos.

 

[silcnlayc]

Not for nothing, but Inetbet must be saying the payout percentages apply to one person a year IMO.

My main point is still that you need to win a RJ regularly

I too agree with this and think this is where they are getting the #'s for percentages. Take all the RJ winners and then post the %.(this is not a fact, just an overall impression)

Playing RTG for years, I have yet to hit a Random Jackpot. This still eludes me unlike the Rapid Fire and Super Hero Jackpots which I have hit many times considering the play I was doing before they left the US.

 

[Simmo!]

I thought your Muppet Mobile was in the shop Simmo?

I wish I understood that

 

[Macgyver]

I thought your Muppet Mobile was in the shop Simmo?

I wish I understood that

Muppet Mobile = automobile.

Of course, it could be a new cell phone or cell phone company for all I know.

 

[Addisyn]

I am doing an unscientific survey of RTG payout percentages. Currently I am contacting six CM accredited and 6 non-accredited casinos. Each of them is being asked the same question. What are your payout percentages for the Real Series 25 line online slots?

Each contact is being done by email, phone, casino contact, live help, and web site info. I am working on it slowly.

Thus far I have percentages ranging from 94.37% to 98%. That begs the question if the RTGs cannot set their own payout percentages why the variance?

In addition, I have received different information from the same casinos from the different approaches I have taken. I am not concluding anything from the information I have gathered just simply reporting the numbers.

 

[Zoozie]

Thus far I have percentages ranging from 94.37% to 98%. That begs the question if the RTGs cannot set their own payout percentages why the variance?

It is almost certain since several posters including InetBet has posted that RTG casino CAN set payout% for the slots. But I do not know if they can adjust the individual slots of all of them as a whole.

There was another thread how adjusting the payout% changed the slots, since this is a bit of a mystery for me, unless they change picking bonus games etc. or the reels.

INetBet posted payout% for their slots was a little below 95%. And from my RTG experience INetBet definately have higher payout% than most other RTG casinos where I played slots. So I would not believe a RTG casino that says 98%.

The RTG casinos should have payout% confirmed by independant companies like most other non RTG casinos does.

And if a casino indeed had 98% slot payout, I am sure they would tell it public.

If a RTG casino claim to have 95%+ payout% on slots, I would be very suspecious. So if you make a list, the players would probably believe
your results and play at the RTG casinos with the highest payout%, but these are actually just liers. Remember how notorious difficult it is to
get any reliable information about the RTG casino administration console and their abilities to change payout% (range etc.)

But it is still a very interesting project you got going and I am looking forward to the results.

Are you sure you mean 25-lines slots and not 20-lines? Most of the RTG slots are 20-lines

Zoozie

 

[soflat]

I am doing an unscientific survey of RTG payout percentages. Currently I am contacting six CM accredited and 6 non-accredited casinos. Each of them is being asked the same question. What are your payout percentages for the Real Series 25 line online slots?

Good job! The RTGs are such a mystery.

There are only 5 of them that I would even trust with a deposit, and two of them have such tight slots that I quit playing them (Or maybe it was just a run of bad luck. Oh well, they don't publish their payout%, what do I know anyways?).

I'd also like to know if they can change the payout% on the fly.

 

[EasyRhino]

don't forget, if they only report payouts for a single month, there's a lot of room for variance. I remember glancing at a microgaming shops report for one month, and slot payout was over 100%.

 

[Addisyn]

I will make sure they understood my question as I did misstate it in saying 25 lines instead of 20. Thanks for the heads up Zoozie!

It is so far quite interesting in that the majority of the RTGs have told me they payout percentages are 98%. I wasn't going to post the names of the casinos so no one took my information and used it to play those casinos that might be (I am being generous here) inflating their numbers.

 

[vinylweatherman]

RTG

I believe this player lead investigation might be worrying a few RTG operators. I have been having a dig, and decided to consult the "bible", and the Wizard does not mince his words on the subject.

First, he declares an interest in RTG, in that he worked as a consultant, so when, under slots, he has the simple statement "The operator may select their own return on the slot machines." I suspect he knows what he is talking about.
It is already pretty obvious that RTG operators can set the payouts on winning hands at the various poker gard games (you just need to log on to a few RTG sites and compare the paytables), and naturally this will change the long term expected payout percentage.

Clearly, this means that RTG casinos do not necessarily give the same value to players of the slots, and there are no figures available for players to use in deciding which RTG to play at. If operators can do this, there is nothing to stop them using this as a tool to control cashflow or boost profits at certain times.
For example, an RTG could try to lure new players by marketing a very good bonus for slots, while at the same time turning down the slots payouts a notch or two to offset their generosity. There is no way to determine (yet) whether any particular RTG has done this, but I have the seed of an idea based on a response to one of my other posts regarding how RTG slot reels work when displayed in the casino lobby.

 

[amatrine]

Re

Yeah I always figured when a casino has a large bonus to play a certain slot,
that that one is set low at the momet, or I have seen where someone has won a big jackpot on a machine, once it is won, they offer a large bonus to play that slot. So in general when these are offered I avoid those games all together,lol

Ama

 

[liseleva]

you are so right

I have been playing RTG games for A few years now and in my opinion you are so right when you say they don't even let you play for 15 minutes it just takes your money. I've also notice that when I'm on a really hot machine the casino gets disconnected and then they reconnect always inetbet. Not only once but everytime I play now as soon as it starting to pay poof they have to reconnect and than I lose all my money. Another thing that has been happening to me at inetbet is when i deposit money its approve and the money is not in my account. I have to write an e-mail 'cause that is the only way you can communicate with them. They've always gave me my money but I had to wait till they replied to my e-mail and when they reply to it they always blame neteller, which at the beginning I would accept that but after awhile I realized that the only time that this would happen to me is at inetbet.(funny). I have won at inetbet but never on the real series slots. I notice that after I had won thats when the machines would just take my money so I wrote a letter to the Manager and the reply was " I don't know why you are complainig I've check your accout and you are still ahead". Well thats not the point. The point is that just because I've won once that does not mean that every machine should be cold as ice. After that reply that i got I know they keep track of how much you deposit and how much you win. Not only that if you go to a real casino, and you win big, you could move to another machine and win again. Today they are ahead as I deposit approx. 100 a day, you'd think that I'd be able to cash out at least once??? something.

I also play at casinoextreme and I really think that out of all the RTG casino's I've played they are the best and most honest people. I have been playing that casino for a feww years 2 and I can't even count how much money I've cashed out. So as of today inetbet is on my black list because I really think that they are not fair at all with the players.

That really wasn't the point of the post. We are all agreeing in this thread the RTG casinos aren't behaving as they have in the past. I don't know what to tell you but I normally would deposit $100 to my casino account and play for hours. Hitting free spins periodically to let me to continue to play.

I didn't always have any winnings but went away feeling I had a fair play. Now when I play in any RTG I get that pre free spin in Raindance, for example, 10x the other night. Never once hitting the feature. I play Red Sands. Never hit a feature once in about 100 spins. Same thing across the board.

We are all experiencing the same thing. It could be coincidental. I will leave it at that.

 

[mikepipe]

welcome to the forum!
i feel with your frustration, i habve lost a lot at RTGs , but not more than on MGs.
I would prefer, to be a bit more reluctant with inetbet and especially with Emily, their manager.
They are fair - as long RTG can be fair at all. and, as we know, the casinos cant change the slots.
their payouts are fast, the cs is ok- not as good, as one couls expect- agreed!

 

[tencardcharlie]

They are fair - as long RTG can be fair at all. and, as we know, the casinos cant change the slots.

I don't understand what you mean. RTG casinos can change the payout for their slots.

 

[mikepipe]

I don't understand what you mean. RTG casinos can change the payout for their slots.

I have to apologize. That was bare nonense! I mixed it up with MG.
Inetbet is RTG- as we know.
So i try a new one: They (inetbet) is fair, as far as i know.
better?