Bonanza Slot Rigged?

[lockinlove]

Thanks for explaining.

I am certainly no math whizz kid or even close.

But could it be down to the maximum potential win On Bonanza being crazy high that changes reduces the number of huge (>1000x) hits?

I mean i tried to find the info but couldn't see anything saying the max win was capped but i mean for example the diamonds 6oak pay 50x, you could potentially get 2 on each reel with a 10x multiplier in the bonus well i imagine potentially you could get a hell of a lot more but that in itself pays 32,000x if i did my math right which is mental.

I'm sure i remembered the Bandit hitting like >£1k on £2 stake in the base game to use that as example but couldnt find it. That is 500x so if you hit that in the bonus really it could go insane.

Anyone i know the hits i am talking about are extremely unlikely but the point i am heading for is even against DoA Bonanza seems to have even greater potential there.

To be honest i find both DoA and Bonanza play very similar. Your balance doesnt get battered. Bonuses are generally ok but the potential is huge. But for me DoA is just boring in comparison.

Thats what everyone is saying. Just because btg claims you can win 20,000x doesnt mean it will happen ever. But that seems to give them the excuse to give out the worst payout in history.

 

[snorky510238]

Nate I am new to all this technical stuff so forgive me.I guess you are saying the stats are way over average is that right

 

[BeardyGuts]

Thats what everyone is saying. Just because btg claims you can win 20,000x doesnt mean it will happen ever. But that seems to give them the excuse to give out the worst payout in history.

I understand, but my experiences differ completely from what most are saying here.

Interestingly i found this website:

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according to this even after 500,000 spins which is what Nate said his friend did on Bonanza. Assuming its volatility is very high and playing 500,000 spins you can see a delta of up to 5.7% from the stated RTP. So in Bonanza's 96% you can see 90% up to 102% rtp from 500,000 spins! At £1 a time that is
-£50,000 up to +£10,000 or a potential results range of 60,000 bets!

 

[Nate]

Thanks for explaining.

I am certainly no math whizz kid or even close.

But could it be down to the maximum potential win On Bonanza being crazy high that changes reduces the number of huge (>1000x) hits?

I mean i tried to find the info but couldn't see anything saying the max win was capped but i mean for example the diamonds 6oak pay 50x, you could potentially get 2 on each reel with a 10x multiplier in the bonus well i imagine potentially you could get a hell of a lot more but that in itself pays 32,000x if i did my math right which is mental.

I'm sure i remembered the Bandit hitting like >£1k on £2 stake in the base game to use that as example but couldnt find it. That is 500x so if you hit that in the bonus really it could go insane.

Anyone i know the hits i am talking about are extremely unlikely but the point i am heading for is even against DoA Bonanza seems to have even greater potential there.

To be honest i find both DoA and Bonanza play very similar. Your balance doesnt get battered. Bonuses are generally ok but the potential is huge. But for me DoA is just boring in comparison.

Ok lets put a bit more perspective here - Since Gol-Nanza has been running, we have only seen a 14 000x bet hit. The video recreation came from BTG themselves. The said player happened to be a viewer on a particular streamers channel and the streamer happens to be featured by BTG themselves

The player was never identified so its pie in the sky - But even IF that were a genuine hit, the slot has been running for maybe a year? If it gives off a 15 000x hit ONCE a year, can you imagine the damage it can do? One session the member here lost 5000x bet without seeing even 500x bet.

Now why would we ever DOUBT BTG? The reason for that is rooted in them posting FAKE screenshots here for their OWN Competition and getting caught by Casinomeister himself. The screenshots were posted from the CEO's Pc which he happened to share with a staff member that he apparently fired for doing that. As you are aware, the average staff member always shares their computers with their CEO - Ask yourself, did the staff member even exist?

I know, this doesnt make sense. But maybe, just maybe - everything is OK and all good? Then I ask the question again, WHY does it take 350 000 spins to hit a mere 1000x if this slot has such huge potential?

Nate

 

[Nate]

Nate I am new to all this technical stuff so forgive me.I guess you are saying the stats are way over average is that right

I am no maestro in the math department either - Which stats being over the average are you referring to mate?

Nate

 

[BeardyGuts]

Thats what everyone is saying. Just because btg claims you can win 20,000x doesnt mean it will happen ever. But that seems to give them the excuse to give out the worst payout in history.

Sorry also you said that BTG said you could win 20,000x does that mean the max win is capped then? I couldnt find that information anywhere... any chance you could link it?

Ok lets put a bit more perspective here - Since Gol-Nanza has been running, we have only seen a 14 000x bet hit. The video recreation came from BTG themselves. The said player happened to be a viewer on a particular streamers channel and the streamer happens to be featured by BTG themselves

The player was never identified so its pie in the sky - But even IF that were a genuine hit, the slot has been running for maybe a year? If it gives off a 15 000x hit ONCE a year, can you imagine the damage it can do? One session the member here lost 5000x bet without seeing even 500x bet.

Now why would we ever DOUBT BTG? The reason for that is rooted in them posting FAKE screenshots here for their OWN Competition and getting caught by Casinomeister himself. The screenshots were posted from the CEO's Pc which he happened to share with a staff member that he apparently fired for doing that. As you are aware, the average staff member always shares their computers with their CEO - Ask yourself, did the staff member even exist?

I know, this doesnt make sense. But maybe, just maybe - everything is OK and all good? Then I ask the question again, WHY does it take 350 000 spins to hit a mere 1000x if this slot has such huge potential?

Nate

Wow holy sh*t that is dodgy..... i never knew any of that. Thanks for sharing.

Was that the video on LetsGiveItaSpins channel? I do remember that one.... and also them saying that the casino had to go to BTG. But id dint know he himself was attached to BTG in anayway.... christ.

I remember an earlier thread that i said i have no idea why a casino or even weirder a slot manufacturer would be dodgy... the simple fact is they will win over time. Its as simple as that. For the slot guys like BTG it makes even less sense... i mean they have none of the exposure that the casino has.

Very very strange and worrying.

 

[Nate]

Sorry also you said that BTG said you could win 20,000x does that mean the max win is capped then? I couldnt find that information anywhere... any chance you could link it?


Wow holy sh*t that is dodgy..... i never knew any of that. Thanks for sharing.

Was that the video on LetsGiveItaSpins channel? I do remember that one.... and also them saying that the casino had to go to BTG. But id dint know he himself was attached to BTG in anayway.... christ.

I remember an earlier thread that i said i have no idea why a casino or even weirder a slot manufacturer would be dodgy... the simple fact is they will win over time. Its as simple as that. For the slot guys like BTG it makes even less sense... i mean they have none of the exposure that the casino has.

Very very strange and worrying.

Well you can read about it here:

https://www.casinomeister.com/casino-awards/year-2016/faceplant-of-the-year-2016/

Also BTG never said 20 000x was the max, in fact the CEO refuses to even give us a hint of what the potential of the slot is.

Nate

 

[BeardyGuts]

Well you can read about it here:

https://www.casinomeister.com/casino-awards/year-2016/faceplant-of-the-year-2016/

Also BTG never said 20 000x was the max, in fact the CEO refuses to even give us a hint of what the potential of the slot is.

Nate

oh god that's embarrassing...

but seeing that doesnt exactly fill you with confidence playing online does it

 

[slotter999]

DOA is running at VS currently (Freeroll). To put the HUGE difference into perspective - Our stats guy managed to trigger his FIRST 3000x + hit in about 750 000 spins. There are currently 900 players on the DOA tourney - each have 100 spins. Lets round it off to 1000 people so that its a 100 000 spin sample. Look at the results:

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If you want to be balanced about this you should publish all of the stats for that race. I used a dataset produced by Torros with 190k records. Here is the top 14 (equivalent to your pic)

Multiplier
3257.3
2479.7
657.45
578.15
430.2
422.4
364.05
337.4
331.9
304.1
302.5
294
293.35
290.8

The above is single spins. Your example is based on 100 spins.

 

[snorky510238]

Best win came on high voltage so the 15 spin one but generally make more, not much, on the gates of hell bonus.
To be honest i usually just alternate between the two unless i get skulls or bell on Gates of hell then i go back to that again next time around.

Ok cheers for that.Ihave only picked gates a couple of times and as I remember I didn't hit a wild so wondered what it was all about. Now I have seen a couple of screenshots of it so I get it.

 

[snorky510238]

I am no maestro in the math department either - Which stats being over the average are you referring to mate?

Nate

I just assumed you put the picture up because everyone was hitting high but wasn't sure

 

[snorky510238]

I am always sceptical of promotion s to be honest the site puts them on for one reason only and you can be sure the results will be amazingly good and potentially get a lot of players onto the game.I used to go in high street bookmakers a lot and they would run tournaments regularly.I used to win so many just playing max stake and gambling big wins because I knew on that day on the free play the machine was programmed to respond to that kind of play but when you got your fifty pound keep what you win prize I would get £6 £4 or something pathetic like that.I am not saying the prize online won't be worth having.I had a great 1 at thrills once 20 £1 free spins on Dracula gave me £270 no wagering requirements.Just saying that all the scores will be super inflated by the fact it's a promotion

 

[Nate]

If you want to be balanced about this you should publish all of the stats for that race. I used a dataset produced by Torros with 190k records. Here is the top 14 (equivalent to your pic)

Multiplier
3257.3
2479.7
657.45
578.15
430.2
422.4
364.05
337.4
331.9
304.1
302.5
294
293.35
290.8

The above is single spins. Your example is based on 100 spins.

Fair enough and thanks for that - my post on the DOA stats was to merely illustrate the difference. Remember Torros went 350k spins without breaching the 1000x mark in his initial run. We see that type of figures every DOA run. Whether single spins or 100 spins, those biggies are almost always won in a feature. I assure you that all the top wins on the DOA come from a single feature and not multiple hits. I would assume its safe to say that its an equal comparison as I can assure you that many if not all of those results below the 1000x mark were multiple hits in the feature.

Nate

 

[Nate]

I am always sceptical of promotion s to be honest the site puts them on for one reason only and you can be sure the results will be amazingly good and potentially get a lot of players onto the game.I used to go in high street bookmakers a lot and they would run tournaments regularly.I used to win so many just playing max stake and gambling big wins because I knew on that day on the free play the machine was programmed to respond to that kind of play but when you got your fifty pound keep what you win prize I would get £6 £4 or something pathetic like that.I am not saying the prize online won't be worth having.I had a great 1 at thrills once 20 £1 free spins on Dracula gave me £270 no wagering requirements.Just saying that all the scores will be super inflated by the fact it's a promotion

Nah - the spins are running DOA in real time - Those results are accurate and many of the forum members will attest to that. I myself have killed that slot on occasion. There are equally bad results towards the bottom like 20% RTP over 100 spins, but in terms of consistency, there is no better slot than DOA when it comes to hitting 2500x bet PLUS.

 

[slotter999]

Fair enough and thanks for that - my post on the DOA stats was to merely illustrate the difference. Remember Torros went 350k spins without breaching the 1000x mark in his initial run. We see that type of figures every DOA run. Whether single spins or 100 spins, those biggies are almost always won in a feature. I assure you that all the top wins on the DOA come from a single feature and not multiple hits. I would assume its safe to say that its an equal comparison as I can assure you that many if not all of those results below the 1000x mark were multiple hits in the feature.

Nate

Yes I've no idea how those figures were reached. Maybe once he hits the million mark he'll share the raw data so we can all take a look. I definitely get the impression though that those monster hits, while technically possible, are minuscule in terms of the overall RTP and extremely unlikely events. Once torros finishes his work maybe a table of odds can be generated for win ranges. It would be nice to have equivalent data for DOA so we can put them head to head.

From a pure player point of view I still think a DOA wildline beats (which I've never hit personally) a high multiplier bonus in terms of entertainment.

 

[Aliyah556]

Hi everyone I can't figure out how to make my own post on here?

 

[Jono777]

Hi everyone I can't figure out how to make my own post on here?

Do you mean your own thread? - New topic?

If so, I think you have to have had so many posts and/or length of membership is a factor before you can post a new thread.

 

[snorky510238]

Hi Aliyah I am new here to and struggling with the format a little posting things in the wrong section etc are you finding when you reply it brings that persons post up and you end up on the bottom of what they posted?

 

[Aliyah556]

Hi Aliyah I am new here to and struggling with the format a little posting things in the wrong section etc are you finding when you reply it brings that persons post up and you end up on the bottom of what they posted?

No I wanna make my own posts not just comment on others

 

[snorky510238]

Ok I am not the best person to help but if you scroll to the top of the page click forums see what's being discussed and join in.I only joined a couple of days ago and don't really know myself yet hope this helps a bit

 

[Harry_BKK]

Hi Aliyah & snorky, Welcome to Casinomeister.

- To post an answer to the current thread you are reading just go to the bottom of the page and type your text in the reply box
- To post a new thread, go to the Forums page, search the category you want to open a thread in, open the category and then look at the top right hand corner for the red button: "Post New Thread".

Hope I was able to help!

 

[interlog]

Nah - the spins are running DOA in real time - Those results are accurate and many of the forum members will attest to that. I myself have killed that slot on occasion. There are equally bad results towards the bottom like 20% RTP over 100 spins, but in terms of consistency, there is no better slot than DOA when it comes to hitting 2500x bet PLUS.

But even then you have people whinging and moaning that they have tinkered with DOA since they upgraded it to HTML5.

There is no pleasing everybody unfortunately and the best thing to do is not to play a game if you think it has been tinkered with or you think it is not designed fairly.

 

[Nate]

But even then you have people whinging and moaning that they have tinkered with DOA since they upgraded it to HTML5.

There is no pleasing everybody unfortunately and the best thing to do is not to play a game if you think it has been tinkered with or you think it is not designed fairly.

I must admit that has been in the back of my mind - Though I have still managed a few wild lines on the HTML 5 version - can never say for sure. I left DOA to play Bonanza and have been brutalized - got ahead here and there (small wins) and then just see literally thousands wiped from my bankroll consistently 1000x, 700x, 600x a time flat betting 2 Eur. The stats in the original Bonanza thread painted a familiar picture. Most of the time, I was seeing those 20x and 30x hits and after losing a 'sufficient amount' the slot would dish out a smallish 100x or 200x and back to square one. I tried it different times, played extended sessions and at different places - Same old behavior.

In all the time I have played it, I can count on one hand where I saw my balance shoot up like many of you guys tend to show off every now and again. I've played many many high variance slots and have had varying success, but NEVER been on a one way street over and over. Time will tell and i expect more and more of these Bonanza moaning sessions to pop up - Lets face it, the actual payouts seen on this slot (or its potential thus far) does not warrant its variance.

Nate

 

[BeardyGuts]

Not sure if i'm allowed to share this but restarted my subscription to Slot Tracker to check this data. I guess the guys at CM can delete this if they feel it is not right.

So Bonanza in the community stats has the following:
Spins - 1,622,353
Best Win - 3,677x
Avg Bonus - 104.5x
Bonus Freq - 1 in 465 spins
SRP - 97.75% (This is the RTP but making all spins worth the same value rather than a huge win at high bet skewing the result)

Dead or Alive is like this:
Spins - 1,595,907
Best Win - 4,181x
Avg Bonus - 47.29x
Bonus Freq - 1 in 153 spins
SRP - 97.07%

 

[BeardyGuts]

So if the average is 1 bonus in 465 over 1.6million spins again i have no idea the math to calculate it but i could easy see going 5k or 10k spins without a bonus wouldn't be rare. If you were really unlucky you could probably go 20k spins without a bonus.

Wish i was clever enough to figure that out, i did a google search but couldnt find it.