Bonanza Slot Rigged?

[homerbert]

Did not played it for about 3-4 months, decided to give it a try recently. Two features - 15x and 7x, decided it is time for break again

 

[snorky510238]

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Yes cheers Harry

 

[4048]

Played Bonanza today for the first time in forever and hit a bonus on my very first spin, at 0.60 stake. Was planning to play 25 at .60, 25 at .80 and then raise to 1 and hope for bonus but well, fate is hilarious.

Anyway I had 9 dead spins, none of the drop-downs gave wins so ended on a 4x multiplier and 7.20€ total win. So much for their average 100x.

Now to be fair I've had my share of luck on Bonanza and I'm wayyy up, but that's mostly because I haven't really played it much since my single big win on the game.

 

[snorky510238]

So if the average is 1 bonus in 465 over 1.6million spins again i have no idea the math to calculate it but i could easy see going 5k or 10k spins without a bonus wouldn't be rare. If you were really unlucky you could probably go 20k spins without a bonus.

Wish i was clever enough to figure that out, i did a google search but couldnt find it.

Hi beardyguts what exactly are trying to figure out mate

 

[BeardyGuts]

Hi beardyguts what exactly are trying to figure out mate

Hi, If the average is 1 out of 465 whats the distribution range (if thats whats its called)?
I have seen them before and its a bell curve showing that basically never you get it in one spin up to 1% of the time it will take 10k spins to get the bonus?
I'm not sure what data is needed to make that calculation though

Edit: Sorry to clarify.. what i was hoping to see was what is the expected maximum amount of time you could see to wait for a bonus. 5,10,100k spins.

 

[snorky510238]

Ok I am no maths wizard and certainly very limited with computers(you guys lose me with all this data stuff) but I am ok with logical things so I will take a look it for you I may be gone for some time

 

[goatwack]

Ahh, I remember when bonuses would average every 150 spins or so on slots

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We live in glorious times!

 

[snorky510238]

The way I see it is there is no limit on how long you could wait for a bonus.It has triggered around 3,489 times in 1,622,353 spins so if you were the only one playing it and these were your stats there would still be no definite number of spins before a bonus but when playing over a very long period your average wait would be 465 spins.The fact that these are communal figures and it doesn't tell you how many players it's based on makes it difficult to make any assumptions because every extra player affects the variance and expectancy of the bonus greatly to you personally.Its still 1 in 465 overall but to work in simple terms for example if there were 10 players your average would be 349 bonuses each(of course it wouldn't pan out that way just using example).If there were 100 players you average bonus hit on that amount of spins goes to 35(roughly).If there was 1,745 players your expected bonus ratio becomes just 2.Its still the same chance of 1 in 465 because as the player numbers increase the amount of spins you make towards 1,622,353 will decrease.The point being every player added affects the possible variance greatly and this could be why we are seeing some people saying they are going thousands of spins with no bonus hit whilst others are doing ok.For arguments sake if there was 1745 players you would all contribute 930 spins and expect 2 bonus rounds but if one player hits 6 bonus rounds statistically two players will recieve 0 bonus as we know the results would be a lot more volatile than that it's merely an example.Here is another thought on the game are the reels set in stone or does the game make them up as it goes along what I mean is are all of the symbols always in the same order personally I don't think they are but I have never studied it that hard.It certainly makes the drop downs up as it goes along because that's the only time you see a +5 so I don't know how many G O L Ds are on each reel at any one time given the 1000s of winning combinations the game has the bonus probably comes up more often than the true odds suggest but is negated by the fact it often pays so little.I could be way off the mark its only my personal analysis but that's what this is all about you get to talk to people who have similar thoughts running through their mind and whether others think you are right or wrong whatever the post there is always food for thought.Sorry it's so long beardyguts I always try to leave no stone unturned hope it helps even if it's just a little

 

[torors]

Hi, If the average is 1 out of 465 whats the distribution range (if thats whats its called)?
I have seen them before and its a bell curve showing that basically never you get it in one spin up to 1% of the time it will take 10k spins to get the bonus?
I'm not sure what data is needed to make that calculation though

Edit: Sorry to clarify.. what i was hoping to see was what is the expected maximum amount of time you could see to wait for a bonus. 5,10,100k spins.

Here's a histogram showing 1505 features triggered in demo play:

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Actually, the highest density is between 0-250 spins. Number of spins is calculated as spins since session start, or spins since last feature.

 

[BeardyGuts]

Here's a histogram showing 1505 features triggered in demo play:

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Actually, the highest density is between 0-250 spins. Number of spins is calculated as spins since session start, or spins since last feature.

wow 5 times it took 2,750 spins to trigger a bonus ok % wise that is still incredibly low.

Thanks for sharing

 

[BillyGoldblum]

What would people call this bonus? Poor, average, good?

I personally believe its poor considering how super rare it is to get that many spins. Its something I really despise about this slot and we all need to accept just because you get more spins means absolutely nothing. But it should because it means more spins to build the multiplier.

 

[interlog]

Ahh, I remember when bonuses would average every 150 spins or so on slots

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We live in glorious times!

I introduce you to Steamtowershite

 

[electronictonic]

I introduce you to Steamtowershite

Steamingshowerofshite perhaps.

 

[dunover]

What would people call this bonus? Poor, average, good?

I personally believe its poor considering how super rare it is to get that many spins. Its something I really despise about this slot and we all need to accept just because you get more spins means absolutely nothing. But it should because it means more spins to build the multiplier.

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That is shocking shit. I would've come out with an unstoppable volley of expletives if doing a video, in fact that is similar to the one I had when I got my only ever 6-scatter cascade trigger in one of my videos.

 

[BillyGoldblum]

That is shocking shit. I would've come out with an unstoppable volley of expletives if doing a video, in fact that is similar to the one I had when I got my only ever 6-scatter cascade trigger in one of my videos.

I didnt get pissed off because I didnt get excited in the first place. 17 spin trigger. First 3 spins were dead and I knew right then and there it was going to be a joke. 3 scatters dropped in next, next two spins were dead. I actually got up and looked out the window to see if it was snowing. I had no interest in watching the bonus. I knew exactly what was happening. I actually made a phone call during the bonus too.

Big time gaming slots are not worth being played.

 

[TheAddict]

Watched a guy who occasionally streams, 2 nights ago. never many viewers just playing with his own money. Loads up Dhv. Feaute pretty quickly, picked the one where you get 15 spins with the wild multiplier that increases when it lands.. Loadsa dead spins but then a retrigger!. Must of had that multiplier wild land about 10-12 times and out of those only hit 2 lots of 3oak wins.Loads more dead spins and ended with approx 35x.
Painful

 

[pinnit2014]

Had a unexpected 10 bonus in Leo and actually managed to meet wagering in Bonanza. However... despite getting 3 quid bonus rounds I was ‘expecting’ a nice 200 plus wd. The results were 13 quid, 25 and 40 and a 40 withdrawal was all that came.

Improvement on no bonus in 3500 tho. Maybe a new updates being uploaded

 

[greylady]

I have not had a decent bonus since mid December when I hit £250 on a 20p bet, which limited me to a £50 withdrawal as it came from free spins. This slot definitely seems to compensate for the wins, takes it all back and more.

 

[lockinlove]

I find it magical all these big monsterous hits show up in twitch. You know, the platform BTG was and still is obsessed with. Simply amazing isnt it.

 

[interlog]

I find it magical all these big monsterous hits show up in twitch. You know, the platform BTG was and still is obsessed with. Simply amazing isnt it.

I love a conspiracy theory myself, but HOW can they direct the wins to the streamers right at the time they play the slot? They are not there to watch Twitch streams 24/7.

 

[lockinlove]

I love a conspiracy theory myself, but HOW can they direct the wins to the streamers right at the time they play the slot? They are not there to watch Twitch streams 24/7.

Easy. Big time gaming are the streamers. Big time gaming may even own all the banks in the world and possibly even run the catholic church.

But to answer your question, nickslots has a schedule. Not that hard to figure when he streams. The guy that went into kims channel same thing but he is sponsored by leovegas who is in business with btg.

Is the above true? In my mind. Maybe.

 

[goatwack]

BTG run the world. Little do people know their real name is Bilderberg - Tyrannical - Government.

It makes sense when you put it all into context

 

[lockinlove]

BTG run the world. Little do people know their real name is Bilderberg - Tyrannical - Government.

It makes sense when you put it all into context

lol bilderberg. If I had photoshopping skills I would have some real fun

 

[dunover]

BTG management meet at a secure guarded location and turn into lizards for the duration. Ask David Icke.

 

[snorky510238]

I think the problem with bonanza is the expectation has been put out there UNLIMITED MULTIPLER (every slot players dream and very smart advertising)That plants the seed in your head that you could win thousands in one bonus round.On a very odd occasion somebody will win something out of the ordinary I am sure but it won't be anything more than a lot of other slots can do.Somewhere in the programme there will be the blocker that stops the drop down from hitting.I posted something earlier about whether people thought the reels remained in a consistent order by that l mean every symbol is in the same place on every spin.In the base game the answer is I don't know I haven't studied it for long enough but when it comes to the drop down it definitely isn't the same it obviously makes it up as it goes along or certainly puts symbols where they didn't appear before same thing really.You never see a +5 in the base game so we know they get added and you never see 2 of the letters in the same column until there's a drop down then you might see L on top of G or any combination of 2 letters in 1 column.Now they can sit on top of each other after one drop down which may of taken 1 or 2 symbols from between them yet in the base game even when we have a column 9 deep or whatever the max number is you never see 2 letters in 1 column so you know it has the ability to add or leave out symbols as and when it feels necessary.Also notice in the feature reels 1-3 more often than not contain only 2 or 3 symbols restricting possibilities of big combinations and drop downs and how often the rail carts on the top block a win.Thats not random is it?