Bonanza Slot Rigged?

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I done last 10 days over 6000 spins and are €8000 in hole and not ONCE have i got freespins.

I have played on various MT secure casino's and Bet365, william hill, betvictor and such and cant hit one single FS,

I have been gambling for 13 years so i am experianced player but this is t crazy for me to really accept as fair.

My bet sie have been €2-4

Lucky i have been lucky on Merkur slot so i havent lost that directly from my pocket but i would say 4K from my pocket in Bonanza.
 

snorky510238

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I am new to this site and joined for a number of reasons but one main reason was to get involved with people who have stories like yours and discuss what we think goes on and listen to theories etc.I am totally open minded about the whole thing and have a lot of my own theories but not sure anyone will be interested enough
 

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You are not the only one! My mates hubby just lost £4000, gone in a sniff, on £2, £4, £5 and £10 bets without a hint of a bonus.
 

snorky510238

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For what it's worth I think it's difficult to determine the word 'rigged' in the context we use it in the slot world.In my opinion every slot is rigged the spin cannot be random software can't program itself.I know nothing about programming computers but you don't need to let's face it there are things that happen on certain slots that prove it and given the fact bonanza is six reels wide by however deep(I don't know how many symbols are on each reel)but I think they can be around 8 deep if it was truly random you could play a lifetime with all those combinations and never see the feature so it actually probably comes up more than the true odds suggest but that is negated by the fact it pays you next to nothing(This is just my own personal view and is not meant to offend anybody in any way)
 

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Its just a game with HUGE variance, just got 1st bonus after 800 spis and it was looking like that: dicknanza.jpg
 

goatwack

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Now imagine Bonanza or any other slot played purely offline. We'd 'hand in' our play logs for the casinos to peruse like homework and all's well in the world. RNG generators have been in software like early videogames since forever, so it's perfectly feasable. It might actually play like a real, random game :D

Yet of course it isn't and instead we're constantly connected to whatever company's central server, where our data is analyzed and adjusted err I mean we need to be connected for the random numbers :laugh:

I'm of course in no way suggesting that slots are rigged at all, that's not what I do :cool:
 

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I done last 10 days over 6000 spins and are €8000 in hole and not ONCE have i got freespins.

I have played on various MT secure casino's and Bet365, william hill, betvictor and such and cant hit one single FS,

I have been gambling for 13 years so i am experianced player but this is t crazy for me to really accept as fair.

My bet sie have been €2-4

Lucky i have been lucky on Merkur slot so i havent lost that directly from my pocket but i would say 4K from my pocket in Bonanza.

You know me very well - If I tell you that this slot is crap - trust me it is. It is programmed to steal your money and never pay anything in return. Quit while you still have the sanity. Its an absolute piece of crap designed as a marketing ploy / AWP. Once its collected enough, it will dish out a small 1000x to someone somewhere.

Go to the Bonanza thread and look at the stats on the last few pages. Look at the 2600 Eur loss on 0.20c bets and the feature spread and you will see what im saying.

If you can lose 13000x bet without even seeing a 1000x, then something is horribly wrong. BTG don't bother as its making them a ton of money.

My absolute honest advice would be to stop playing their slots - I did and I am better off bankroll wise since I did that.

Nate
 

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Me too - bankroll taken a big upswing last few days after avoiding getting the usual chunk shaved off by BTG. Last straw was at Rizk the day and losing 600x on £1 bets (biggest hit 30x and no bonus) cutting my profit in half. Never again.
 

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I agree with what is being said about this slot. However i have had it drop in the feature on the first spin. And even back to back features before. I guess while one is going 1000's of spins not hitting one bonus. There is a jammy sod somewhere hitting bonus after bonus on it within 50 spins. You just have to hope that today is the day you will be the jammy sod. :D
 

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My record is about 5000 spins in a row with no big win or free spins...just dont play this game, there are no bigger winner on it either...play it 100 spins or somethign then leave unless its not loose and your balance is growing. Best is when the balance grow without the free spins...then you eventually will hit big and get free spins.
 

BeardyGuts

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I play this slot a lot.... I wish i kept up my slot tracker account because that would be interesting read. Easily i have put through >10,000 spins over the past couple of months, could easy be waaay more. In fact i probably dont want to know.

This slot is different than the rest that is for sure. When i play this i set a certain amount say £50, £100, £250 whatever. Set my stake at about 150-200 BI's then let rip. I have seen 1,000 spins to get a feature then pay 10x, i have seen 10 spins to get a feature and win 900x. I have had gold +10 pay 20x and gold on its own pay my most which was just over 1,000x.

I just look at this slot as high volatility to the absolute extreme, to get a bonus. My average amount of spins to get a bonus is easily 400 spins. Probably more and i wouldn't be surprised.

But on the other side i see this as med volatility on the base game. Very rarely (famous last words) do i rip a balance of 150 BI's in 15 mins as i have on countless other slots that i cant even be bothered to list. Usually that amount of buy in's gets me an hour of game play.

You mention Merkurs they are way more brutal than Bonanza. I played a lot on Cashino. Would deposit £150 and only play 50p stakes. I have ripped through that on their games way way more than i have on Bonanza.

I guess it all comes down to personal experiences. Even if i played 100,000 spins on this game with the same results as above i'm sure statistically speaking that is a minuscule sample size for a game like this.
 

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Thing is I was asking people round here why they loved it so much.....at the beginning. I didn't see what the game had to offer gameplay- wise and what value it offered. Instead I kept being peppered with winner screenshots and heroic tales.

Since then I'm the one who went to see what the fuss was about by making it a primary slot. All my initial scepticism has been proven true: bankroll eater o_Ohard to get bonus o_Oprone to get you chasing o_Ounnatural death streaks o_O

Should have trusted my gut feeling. Not to say I told you so but

I told you so :p



Bonanza blows
 

snorky510238

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I like the analysis of bonanza from beardyguts it's how I feel about the game.The base game rarely eats my bankroll quickly and I only play it on 40p if I don't get the bonus in around 100 spins I leave it and go back another day like he says there are a lot of slots far worse than bonanza that don't have the same capacity when you do hit the bonus
 

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Ive hammered bonanza too this weekend and not hit a single bonus round. DHV, on the other hand, gave me 2 bonuses in about 50 spins so I guess it balances out....
 

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Ive hammered bonanza too this weekend and not hit a single bonus round. DHV, on the other hand, gave me 2 bonuses in about 50 spins so I guess it balances out....

I think this is why i think it comes down to personal experiences.

My DHV experiences have been terrible. Generally it take me easy 300 spins to get a bonus and they are always <50x. I can only remember one decent bonus i hit. As an example the other day i hit 3 FS rounds in <100 spins. Usually great but after 2 Gates of Hell and 1 high voltage. Total winnings came to like 30x or something. I dont think its rigged or anything i just feel the bonuses are a bit crap really. It winds me up no end that in gates of hell you get a 10 and they dont appear at all. These pepper the reels on every spin. Or everytime on high voltage you get a x66 on the second real.... guess what no win.

And the base game on DHV destroys me. 100 BIs gone in a flash. For me the value for money is not there. As in we are not going to get rich playing to slots. So what i want is decent play time, with the prospect of some good wins and a bonus or two. For me Bonanza apart from the bonus frequency ticks the boxes far more than DHV does.

but again that is my experience over statistically very small sample size.
 

snorky510238

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Yeah personally I think DHV is higher risk than bonanza the base game doesn't consistently drop decent wins and the feature is hard to trigger for sure and can be disappointing even when it comes. I only play 40p and strangely my best win came in the base game when I had rubbish on 1st reel but x6 on 2,3 and 4 sadly nothing connecting on 5 but got £130.I don't play it that often but it has a strange attraction.I have mainly chosen the 15 spins on bonus round interested to hear which one you choose or think is the better
 

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DOA is running at VS currently (Freeroll). To put the HUGE difference into perspective - Our stats guy managed to trigger his FIRST 3000x + hit in about 750 000 spins. There are currently 900 players on the DOA tourney - each have 100 spins. Lets round it off to 1000 people so that its a 100 000 spin sample. Look at the results:

DOA.JPG
 

BeardyGuts

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DOA is running at VS currently (Freeroll). To put the HUGE difference into perspective - Our stats guy managed to trigger his FIRST 3000x + hit in about 750 000 spins. There are currently 900 players on the DOA tourney - each have 100 spins. Lets round it off to 1000 people so that its a 100 000 spin sample. Look at the results:

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Can you explain this to me i dont know what i am meant to be looking at?
 

BeardyGuts

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Yeah personally I think DHV is higher risk than bonanza the base game doesn't consistently drop decent wins and the feature is hard to trigger for sure and can be disappointing even when it comes. I only play 40p and strangely my best win came in the base game when I had rubbish on 1st reel but x6 on 2,3 and 4 sadly nothing connecting on 5 but got £130.I don't play it that often but it has a strange attraction.I have mainly chosen the 15 spins on bonus round interested to hear which one you choose or think is the better

Best win came on high voltage so the 15 spin one but generally make more, not much, on the gates of hell bonus.
To be honest i usually just alternate between the two unless i get skulls or bell on Gates of hell then i go back to that again next time around.
 

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Can you explain this to me i dont know what i am meant to be looking at?

Sure,

Theres a forum member here who was running Bonanza for 50 to 200 000 spins at a time. In his first 350 000 spins he lost a total of 13000x bet. Never hit anything above 1000x.

He then had 2 x 1000x hits and one just over 4000x but it came at around the 750 000 spin mark.

The picture I added is from the Dead or Alive tournament thats on at Videoslots (Bet size is 0.09c). Divide the numbers by 100 to get the $ value.

Players have put through probably just about 100 000 spins and the results already see a 3350x hit plus another 2900x hit.

Why does it take 750 000 spins on Bonanza?

Nate
 

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DOA is running at VS currently (Freeroll). To put the HUGE difference into perspective - Our stats guy managed to trigger his FIRST 3000x + hit in about 750 000 spins. There are currently 900 players on the DOA tourney - each have 100 spins. Lets round it off to 1000 people so that its a 100 000 spin sample. Look at the results:

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Hope you don't mind me clarifying those results further...

1. 30228 = 3358 x stake
2. 26209 = 2912 x stake
3. 20210 = 2245 x stake
4. 12160 = 1351 x stake
5. 12035 = 1337 x stake

And the results are pretty similar, every DOA battle.

Like is said in the other thread... I wonder what the results of a Bonanza battle would look like??:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

Nate

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Heres an updated one - another 2000x bet up there as well - 1204 players so a 120 000 spin sample size.

DOA Updated.JPG
 

BeardyGuts

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Sure,

Theres a forum member here who was running Bonanza for 50 to 200 000 spins at a time. In his first 350 000 spins he lost a total of 13000x bet. Never hit anything above 1000x.

He then had 2 x 1000x hits and one just over 4000x but it came at around the 750 000 spin mark.

The picture I added is from the Dead or Alive tournament thats on at Videoslots (Bet size is 0.09c). Divide the numbers by 100 to get the $ value.

Players have put through probably just about 100 000 spins and the results already see a 3350x hit plus another 2900x hit.

Why does it take 750 000 spins on Bonanza?

Nate


Thanks for explaining.

I am certainly no math whizz kid or even close.

But could it be down to the maximum potential win On Bonanza being crazy high that changes reduces the number of huge (>1000x) hits?

I mean i tried to find the info but couldn't see anything saying the max win was capped but i mean for example the diamonds 6oak pay 50x, you could potentially get 2 on each reel with a 10x multiplier in the bonus well i imagine potentially you could get a hell of a lot more but that in itself pays 32,000x if i did my math right which is mental.

I'm sure i remembered the Bandit hitting like >£1k on £2 stake in the base game to use that as example but couldnt find it. That is 500x so if you hit that in the bonus really it could go insane.

Anyone i know the hits i am talking about are extremely unlikely but the point i am heading for is even against DoA Bonanza seems to have even greater potential there.

To be honest i find both DoA and Bonanza play very similar. Your balance doesnt get battered. Bonuses are generally ok but the potential is huge. But for me DoA is just boring in comparison.
 
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