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Betfair Bonus Fiasco

It depends what action people are planning to take. If they are taking it all the way they have to follow Betfair's dispute procedure. It may well be a waste of time contacting the LGA but if you don't follow the procedure you'll make things difficult for yourself down the line.

TBH the problem is that the LGA are basically certain to find for the casino, regardless of the facts, and this is likely to prejudice any future legal proceedings far more than simply going straight for an impartial hearing in front of a judge.
 
I would definately not go to the LGA or IBAS.

I have heard HORROR stories of bookmakers having in the Terms whatever proviso they see fit; Voiding legitimate bets for example and because the proviso is their in their terms, IBAS have ruled in their favour despite the term being unfair under UTCCR.

Once they have this ruling from "An Independant Body" the judge, who will probaly bet on the Grand National and thats it, will be hevilly swayed by their ruling
 
hi ive been to both for other things lga ibas & this is a oneway ticket , i would like to see how many people who have not lost a case agaisnt these two outfits . there gonna side with casinos or bookies , they take moneys from these people so why wouldnt they.
 
Outrageous. They are debiting players' accounts but they still refuse to say exactly what the player has done wrong and refuse to enter into any further correspondence!

Dear xxxxxxx,

We have now had the opportunity to review your account activity in relation to our recent ‘Happy Hour’ promotion, and we thank you for your patience during that time.

As a result of our investigation, and in light of our finding that you have acted in contravention of Betfair Casino’s Standard Terms and Conditions, we have debited your account with a sum equivalent to the bonus funds and winnings associated with the ‘Happy Hour’ promotion in which you participated. Your account has been re-activated and is now available for you to use.

As your Betfair account held insufficient funds to accommodate such a debit, your account will now show a negative balance. Please fund your account with the negative balance amount of -£xxx at the first opportunity. Failure to do so by 26 November 2010, may result in us taking the appropriate action to recover this sum from you.

Whilst we are aware that this was not the outcome you were hoping for, we do now consider this matter closed, and shall not enter into any further correspondence in connection with it.

Kind regards
Betfair Casino

They can't add up then. If they have ONLY reversed the "illegitimate play", then the WORST that could happen is that the account returns to zero.

In this case, it looks like they have selectively voided only the WINNING bets, yet allowed the LOSING bets, played during the SAME "illegitimate play" session, to stand.

Although vague, they have stipulated that the terms were violated, and SERIOUSLY enough for this action to be taken. If disputed, they will have to PROVE this.

Let THEM take YOU to court. As a defendent, you have a natural advantage. THEY will have to prove their side, NOT you. If YOU take them to court, the burden of proof that they acted unfairly rests with YOU, and YOU would have to prove that you did NOT violate the terms.

There is no way they will be taking you to court, it's all noise and posturing. They would just lock your account and ban you for not paying up.

Even if they take a lesser route, such as debt collectors, respond by asking them to "prove the debt" they are claiming. They will have to respond with the basis for calculating the debt owed, and this will make the entire thing public knowledge.

It looks like this problem is SO big that they risk "going bust", and so are trying every trick in the book to bully players into accepting non-payment, and every trick they can to get back payouts that slipped through unnoticed. At the same time, SELECTED players are getting "kid glove" treatment. They did the same, violated the same terms, but are probably the most PROFITABLE players Betfair have, and they WILL pay them knowing they will get it all back and more.

What we need to make public are some detailed "case studies". This would include a detailed "Playcheck" type account of all bets placed, as well as deposits made, and bonuses received, during this promotion.

We could then debate how this gameplay violates the terms, or if indeed it does.

In order for you to replace the money, Betfair has reopened your account - how about pulling all your play and transaction histories instead:D
 
What we need to make public are some detailed "case studies". This would include a detailed "Playcheck" type account of all bets placed, as well as deposits made, and bonuses received, during this promotion.

We could then debate how this gameplay violates the terms, or if indeed it does.

In order for you to replace the money, Betfair has reopened your account - how about pulling all your play and transaction histories instead:D

I don't believe the people that have been affected by this have needed to violate any terms.

There was no reason to abuse the terms of the offer, I don't see why people were covering all on roulette for example.

I personally deposited a 4 figure sum and transferred as much as possible to stack bonuses, (stacking was also allowed based on the sentences in the promotion "You can trigger as many as you like").

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I then ONLY played Casino Hold Em of varying stakes, cashing out once all bonus play was complete, a 5 figure sum.

Betfair cancelled my withdrawals, locked my account, reopened it days later removing any winnings (These are not "bonuses and winnings" as they refer to them, all bonuses were cleared legitimately so they have took winnings only) and then allowed me to withdraw my account balance which was the amount it held pre-Saturday night.

It's theft, pure and simple. Them allowing certain users to withdraw and keep winnings while taking winnings from others and also not refunding losing play just adds to the criminality of it.
 
I hope those of you that got cheated have filed complaints with SBR and pitched a bitch. It would seem that those that had their betting exchange money confiscated or ewallet transactions reversed really have strong regulatory and legal cases. I'm really shocked that Betfair has been silent in hoping this is going away.
 
I hope those of you that got cheated have filed complaints with SBR and pitched a bitch. It would seem that those that had their betting exchange money confiscated or ewallet transactions reversed really have strong regulatory and legal cases. I'm really shocked that Betfair has been silent in hoping this is going away.

May well be that they will get away with it. They have the LGA that most likely will back them. And this issue has got quite little coverage when you consider the sums involved.
In the end its "just" bonus hunters (majority) that got screwed and regular players hardly care what happens to them as long as they arent affected.
And Betfair can always go with the classic that its the bonus hunters that are responsible for terms and WRs getting tighter.

Plus punters will continue to use their betting exchange, probably many that got screwed also, regardless of what the casino has done.
Dont know how big the casino side is compared to betting but one would think its significantly smaller. They have probably come to a conclusion that they will hurt less with the current situation than to actually pay everyone owed.
 
May well be that they will get away with it. They have the LGA that most likely will back them. And this issue has got quite little coverage when you consider the sums involved.
In the end its "just" bonus hunters (majority) that got screwed and regular players hardly care what happens to them as long as they arent affected.
And Betfair can always go with the classic that its the bonus hunters that are responsible for terms and WRs getting tighter.

Plus punters will continue to use their betting exchange, probably many that got screwed also, regardless of what the casino has done.
Dont know how big the casino side is compared to betting but one would think its significantly smaller. They have probably come to a conclusion that they will hurt less with the current situation than to actually pay everyone owed.

Bonus hunters, recreational players, tea ladies, whatever - if they didn't break the rules they should be paid.

However, it is a fact that the average player is being lumped with increasingly higher WR as a direct result of the behavior of bonus 'wolf packs'. I'm not saying they are doing anything illegal, just that it has ramifications for everyone. I also consider some of it as pure greed, but that's just my opinion.

Bryan should consider throwing Betfair in the pit for, at the very least, changing terms retroactively.
 
Bonus hunters, recreational players, tea ladies, whatever - if they didn't break the rules they should be paid.

However, it is a fact that the average player is being lumped with increasingly higher WR as a direct result of the behavior of bonus 'wolf packs'. I'm not saying they are doing anything illegal, just that it has ramifications for everyone. I also consider some of it as pure greed, but that's just my opinion.

Bryan should consider throwing Betfair in the pit for, at the very least, changing terms retroactively.

Thats only logical. Online gambling isnt that much different than other markets.
 
Retrospectively changing the t and is incredibley rogue, i cannot believe they are getting away with this


They have changed them to what they MEANT to have, but this is NOT what they had at the time. Even the software was counting all the games. The terms also make it perfectly clear that "stacking" is allowed for this promotion.

Even this one is only 20x on slots, STILL marginally +EV. What will they do when they get shafted AGAIN with this updated set of terms - ANOTHER round of confiscations?
 
Even this one is only 20x on slots, STILL marginally +EV. What will they do when they get shafted AGAIN with this updated set of terms - ANOTHER round of confiscations?

This would be more than marginally +EV if player quadrubles 200€ deposit & 100€ bonus on 0% counting low HE games and has unlimited attempts at it, then grind the 20x WR on slots after successful quadrubling. So if Betfair were to repeat the offer with these rules, yes they would be shafted again :cool:
 
May well be that they will get away with it. They have the LGA that most likely will back them. And this issue has got quite little coverage when you consider the sums involved.
In the end its "just" bonus hunters (majority) that got screwed and regular players hardly care what happens to them as long as they arent affected.
And Betfair can always go with the classic that its the bonus hunters that are responsible for terms and WRs getting tighter.

Plus punters will continue to use their betting exchange, probably many that got screwed also, regardless of what the casino has done.
Dont know how big the casino side is compared to betting but one would think its significantly smaller. They have probably come to a conclusion that they will hurt less with the current situation than to actually pay everyone owed.

Been told that the casino is now a MASSIVE source of income.
 
I see this one Jetset, which other one were you thinking of?:
BETFAIR ONLINE SCANDAL BREWING

FWIW, Betfair is not responding to the PABs we have submitted to them, including those related to this specific issue. The only active representative here, Alex C Betfair, has simply told us that all issues must be submitted to [email protected] which get bounced back as undeliverable (email sent to [email protected] gets an auto-response). Rep says he is unable to respond to or become involved with player compliants.
 
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I see this one Jetset, which other one were you thinking of?:
BETFAIR ONLINE SCANDAL BREWING

FWIW, Betfair is not responding to the PABs we have submitted to them, including those related to this specific issue. The only active representative here, Alex C Betfair, has simply told us that all issues must be submitted to [email protected] which get bounced back as undeliverable (email sent to [email protected] gets an auto-response). Rep says he is unable to respond to or become involved with player compliants.

So, they are now a PAB "no-can-do". This should immediately qualify them for removal from the accredited list, and it looks like Bryan's back from the "recent posts" list.


I would like to nominate them for this year's "spectacular fall from grace" award;)
 
I've talked to Bryan in detail about the situation, brought him up to speed on what's been happening while he was away re: Betfair. He'll be doing what needs to be done over the next few days.

I hear you about the nomination, yeesh! :rolleyes:
 
Well original terms have already been posted here, so I don't know what Betfair was thinking... they are just getting deeper and deeper into this mess :(

Good I wasn't affected by this. I heard they're not paying freebets associated with Tango Down promotion too...
 
Betfair has been removed from the Accredited section.

I am extremely dismayed on how Betfair has handled this situation. Actually, it's rather shameful and disrespects all casinos listed in the Accredited section.

This is the fourth casino removed in the past couple of weeks due to being non-communicative.
 
Betfair has been removed from the Accredited section.

I am extremely dismayed on how Betfair has handled this situation. Actually, it's rather shameful and disrespects all casinos listed in the Accredited section.

This is the fourth casino removed in the past couple of weeks due to being non-communicative.

Looks like we've made quite a bit of progress in a short period of time.

I was contacted by Betfair who will be assigning another casino rep to the forum. He has expressed that they should have been more communicative over this entire mess. I have been assured that each complaint will be reviewed and that those accounts that have been locked so far are being audited at the moment.

Sort of reminds me of the Fortune Lounge bonus fiasco some years ago.

As long as they maintain their communicativeness and they take care of each player issue individually and fairly, they will remain accredited.

What are the other three? :rolleyes:

Bwin, Villento, Rich Reels Casino.
 
Wow if this place can make betfair see sense over this than that is just awesome. What about accounts that are no longer locked but had withdrawls reversed and winnings removed? No funny business mind im talking fair play that stuck to the terms and conditions...Are they reviewing those ones also?
 
Wow if this place can make betfair see sense over this than that is just awesome. What about accounts that are no longer locked but had withdrawls reversed and winnings removed? No funny business mind im talking fair play that stuck to the terms and conditions...Are they reviewing those ones also?

Good news, I only hope their definition of "fair" does not include invoking the FU term (Standard T&Cs number 22) when no terms have been broken.
The main thing is that Betfair is auditing each and every account. If terms and conditions haven't been broken, then the player should be paid. I believe that the massive lock-down and form letter email was a knee-jerk reaction to the results of a badly written promo. I anticipate that all players will be dealt with in a fair manner. It may take some time - but the ball is rolling.
 
This is great news, thanks.
However does this mean that each player now needs to PAB because Betfair told me (and from what I've read plenty of other players) "we do now consider this matter closed, and shall not enter into any further correspondence in connection with it." So they won't respond to my emails about this matter.
For info, in my case they actually paid out but then put my Betfair balance to a negative balance and are demanding I deposit to clear the negative balance.
 
This is great news, thanks.
However does this mean that each player now needs to PAB because Betfair told me (and from what I've read plenty of other players) "we do now consider this matter closed, and shall not enter into any further correspondence in connection with it." So they won't respond to my emails about this matter.
For info, in my case they actually paid out but then put my Betfair balance to a negative balance and are demanding I deposit to clear the negative balance.
What you may want to do is contact the casino rep here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/

Let him know that you've contacted Betfair's support inquiring them of your account and you'd like to have it followed up. It's the beginning of a weekend so you may need to wait until Monday, but at least we have a way to deal with this now.
 
Could the moderators change the title of the thread so that all affected players would have easier time finding this thread? Originally I started the thread about Hitler video but it ended up being the main thread about this issue, which was never my intention.
 
This is great news, thanks.
However does this mean that each player now needs to PAB because Betfair told me (and from what I've read plenty of other players) "we do now consider this matter closed, and shall not enter into any further correspondence in connection with it." So they won't respond to my emails about this matter.
For info, in my case they actually paid out but then put my Betfair balance to a negative balance and are demanding I deposit to clear the negative balance.

Well, I am sure YOU have some kind of "F U clause" that prohibits you from making further deposits into a casino that has tried to screw you over.

The fact that they paid players, and THEN decided to void the winnings, makes it look like there were NO actual violations of terms, but more of a case of them realising that "everybody was winning", discovering the flawed nature of the promotion, and deciding that merely to participate in a flawed promotion was itself "a violation of the standard terms".

I get the impression that SOME players were not satisfied with the more or less guaranteed profit from the low 10x WR, and DID seek to screw every cent out of this promo by "betting opposites" on French roulette, and grinding out the WR more or less exactly.
This is one tactic that DOES fall foul of even the generalised "irregular playing patterns" rule, as I am sure no-one walks into a B & M, puts $500 on Red, and $500 on black, without everybody at the table thinking WTF:what:

This is the second case I have seen where a player has had such levels of confiscation that their balance has gone negative. The other made no mention of this being due to having already cashed out and "locked" the withdrawal from being reversed by Betfair.

I see it's OK for a CASINO in this situation to threaten and even "blackmail" a player into giving back a paid withdrawal, yet it is NOT OK for a PLAYER to exert this type of pressure on a casino that has confiscated a payout.
We also know that such threats do NOT impress casinos, and make them even MORE likely to stick to not paying. Casinos might consider that the opposite is also true, threaten a player with "recovery action" when they have been paid, and THEN deemed to have been "cheating", and said player is not only LESS likely to see the casino's side, but also LESS likely to give the money back through future deposits and play. Worse, they are MORE likely to vent in public if threatened with "recovery action" after being paid (and get more sympathy), as opposed to merely being "bonus banned" for the manner of play that won them the money in the first place.

Had Betfair paid except in CLEAR cases of violation, and then "bonus banned" all the rest who "played too smart" with a flawed promotion, their would have been a fuss, but nowhere near as bad as THIS one has turned out to be, and they would STILL have their reputation for fairness intact.

I also find it interesting that Max could get nowhere, but removal from the accredited section got their attention pretty damn quickly, and the old rep has been "posted out of harm's way" and replaced by a new one willing to communicate and receive PABs. I very much doubt the OLD rep made his original statement off his own bat, but was following what was then the "company line" (i.e. he was TOLD to say and do what he did by a higher power in the company), one quickly "U turned" upon when they realised what the repercussions of this were.
 
The main thing is that Betfair is auditing each and every account. If terms and conditions haven't been broken, then the player should be paid. I believe that the massive lock-down and form letter email was a knee-jerk reaction to the results of a badly written promo. I anticipate that all players will be dealt with in a fair manner. It may take some time - but the ball is rolling.

They haven't given that impression.

Email received Monday 22 November 2010:

We have now had the opportunity to review your account activity in relation to our recent ‘Happy Hour’ promotion, and we thank you for your patience during that time.

All bonus funds and winnings associated with your participation in the ‘Happy Hour’ promotion, together with all of your deposited funds, are now in your account and ready for you to use either to play in the Casino or to withdraw at your leisure.

We apologise if the suspension of your account has caused you any inconvenience, but are happy to have the situation resolved and to make your funds available to you again.

When I replied pointing out that they had in fact not done this, they replied

Kindly note that your main account shows you have been credited accordingly on the 19th of November. We hope therefore this issue has now been resolved.

Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any further enquiries.

I clarified that my account was still well short of the correct balance, and their reply was:

We refer to our e-mail to you of 22nd November 2010, which explains our final decision in this matter.

You do have the option of contacting the Lotteries and Gaming Authority in Malta if you would like to take this matter further.

I would also like to remind you that Betfair shall not enter into any further correspondence with you, and we now consider this matter closed.

So they promised to pay me in full and they subsequently refused to discuss the fact that they manifestly haven't.

Obviously if they have now changed their tune that's good, but as of Tuesday 23rd November, 9 days after the promotion, they told me they would ignore further emails from me.
 
I also find it interesting that Max could get nowhere, but removal from the accredited section got their attention pretty damn quickly, and the old rep has been "posted out of harm's way" and replaced by a new one willing to communicate and receive PABs. I very much doubt the OLD rep made his original statement off his own bat, but was following what was then the "company line" (i.e. he was TOLD to say and do what he did by a higher power in the company), one quickly "U turned" upon when they realised what the repercussions of this were.

I did advise them of these repercussions in my original email to them:

This matter can be resolved in two ways:
1. You honour the ‘unlimited’ promotion you advertised OR
2. You refuse to honour it, and some or all of the following from the players you have abused is likely to be forthcoming:
a. Legal action
b. Major adverse media coverage of this matter resulting to serious damage to goodwill
c. Complaints to regulators in all relevant jurisdictions
d. Complaints to MPs, MEPs, and other relevant political figures
e. Damage to Betfair’s reputation more generally as it becomes widely known that you do not honour bets

I suggest that option 1 is likely to follow option 2 in any case, so I would strongly recommend that you choose option 1 in the first instance, to save my time and yours, and to save the damage to your reputation that’s certain to ensue.

I would recommend that you reconsider your decision to seize funds and respond to that post reminding that you are in fact a reputable FTSE-250 firm with a £1.6 billion market capitalisation, and not some shady Costa Rican outfit that routinely steals players’ funds, and that accordingly ‘ALL PLAYERS WILL BE PAID IN FULL’. The alternative to that is one I’ve witnessed before, and it will involve months and years of your name being dragged through the mud as a result of your unjustifiable business decision not to pay players in order to boost your profits.

Again, short route or long route is your choice, but personally I’d suggest the short route, as while I’m entirely willing to pursue this matter as necessary, I in fact do have better things to do, so would be very grateful if you would simply put the money back in my account and we can all move on.

They didn't pay attention to my advice it seems, because the corporate line was clearly 'here's the deal, now go away, we're not answering your questions'. As you say this was a management decision, certainly nothing to do with the betfair rep here, because it's been echoed in emails from support that are in no way connected to Casinomeister.
 
What I would like to know how this promotion got approved. Did the promotion manager have complete power to design any promotion he liked, even it had the potential to bankrupt the casino? Or did higher levels of management approve it without anyone noticing how easily it could be exploited even without resorting to abusive strategies like covering all numbers in roulette?
 
They haven't given that impression.

Email received Monday 22 November 2010:



When I replied pointing out that they had in fact not done this, they replied



I clarified that my account was still well short of the correct balance, and their reply was:



So they promised to pay me in full and they subsequently refused to discuss the fact that they manifestly haven't.

Obviously if they have now changed their tune that's good, but as of Tuesday 23rd November, 9 days after the promotion, they told me they would ignore further emails from me.

So, they say you can KEEP EVERYTHING, bonuses and winnings. WTF is there for them to hide from? WTF is there to "refer to the LGA". They must know DAMN WELL they have offered you a PARTIAL settlement, not the FULL balance you had when the account was suspended. Despite this, they are trying to make out they have returned EVERYTHING to your account.

Surely this is a matter of record on your account history. If the balance when they suspended your account is higher than when it is released back to you, then they have confiscated SOME of the money, but are not prepared to admit what they have done.

To illustrate: 3 - 3 =0
I give you back 2 and tell you "I have given you back everything I took".
Clearly you started with 3, and now I have 2. I am trying to convnince you that 2=3, and naturally you are having none of it. You tell me that 2 is NOT equal to 3, and this should be clear to everyone. They then say, yes 2 IS the same as 3, this is final, I am not going to discuss this further.

Don't they realise how STUPID this makes them look. Firstly, they show they can't add up when designing the promotion, NOW they can't add up even when they are NOT confiscating ANYTHING from a player.

My teacher would have none of it either. He would say "show your working out, you get no marks just for writing down the answer".

There is a glimmer of hope, the PAB avenue has been reopened. PAB about their maths. If they are saying they have not made any adjustments to your account, then NO funds should be missing. This will become obvious to Max and CM when they review the records during a PAB. If they HAVE decided to void a few of your games, they are rather silly thinking they can LIE about this given how easy this is to check from balance records alone.

It looks like they are "running around like headless chickens" up there, compounding the initial issue with one blunder after another.
 
The handling of this affair seems to be going from bad to worse; it really needs a senior member of Betfair corporate management to take control and sort it out before Betfair's reputation is further damaged.

As Grandmaster points out, it's incredible that a promotional blunder like this could have made it through the pre-release management channel....and now a bad situation is being exacerbated by really questionable management decisions.
 
It's a shame those people who don't know about this site won't get their accounts reviewed...
I don't think Casinomeister members will have exclusive rights for being audited. I think it's for everyone :D

Could the moderators change the title of the thread so that all affected players would have easier time finding this thread? Originally I started the thread about Hitler video but it ended up being the main thread about this issue, which was never my intention.
Done :thumbsup:
 
So, they say you can KEEP EVERYTHING, bonuses and winnings. WTF is there for them to hide from? WTF is there to "refer to the LGA". They must know DAMN WELL they have offered you a PARTIAL settlement, not the FULL balance you had when the account was suspended. Despite this, they are trying to make out they have returned EVERYTHING to your account.

To be honest I don't think they know what they are doing.

What happened was this.

  • During promo - they took away my bonuses, then lied when I called them to ask what was happening ('technical problem')
  • After promo - they took away my winnings and 95% of my deposit.
  • I threatened to report them to the police for stealing my money
  • They then returned my deposit but not my winnings (including winnings I had made before the promo began) or my bonuses.
  • They then sent me an email saying I had had my deposit + bonus + winnings returned.
Surely this is a matter of record on your account history. If the balance when they suspended your account is higher than when it is released back to you, then they have confiscated SOME of the money, but are not prepared to admit what they have done.

Well yeah it was pretty obvious, because the account statement shows they took away one amount and then added back a smaller amount.
 
The handling of this affair seems to be going from bad to worse; it really needs a senior member of Betfair corporate management to take control and sort it out before Betfair's reputation is further damaged.

As Grandmaster points out, it's incredible that a promotional blunder like this could have made it through the pre-release management channel....and now a bad situation is being exacerbated by really questionable management decisions.

I was told by Betfair that 5 people are needed to sign the bonus off. Unreal
 
Hi all!

I've been trying to send the Betfair Representative a private message, but it isn't appearing in my sent box and there is no confirmation that it has been sent. Is there a way I can check that it has been sent?

Thanks
 
I've had a reply from the Betfair rep, i've copied it here as there is no personal information (and like all correpsondance i've had with Betfair over this, I assume it's a "round robin" message)

Please find below the response from our casino team. Should you have any further complaints the addresses and phone numbers below should be used.

On the weekend of the 13/14th November Betfair ran a promotion for its casino product. It subsequently came to our attention that certain customers exploited the spirit of this promotion. The accounts of all customers that took part have been reviewed by Betfair, and corrective action has been taken where appropriate for those who acted in contravention of our terms and conditions.

Betfair has corresponded directly with all customers who were affected by this. If any customer would like to discuss the matter further, they may contact the LGA in Malta by e-mailing [email protected] or telephoning +356 21316590.

Betfair Casino Team

Bolding added by myself. If this isn't grounds for throwing them in the rogue pit I don't know what is.
 
Had the same reply. I played only straight up casino hold em exactly to their terms and conditions. They reversed a withdrawl for 3 figures of profit and removed it from my sports excahnge balance. PMd BetFairCasino on here and just got the same response, referring me to malta and telling me to bugger off basically....really bad :(
 
I've had exactly the same response, despite drawing their attention to the fact that they have not only taken back all my money from the promo, but also money I played and won on slots before the promo even started.
They have clearly not reviewed my account as I asked, and this has got me no further forward than I was before.
 
Perhaps the new Betfair rep here, some kind of PR manager, didn't realise how stubborn the casino management are being over this. Either way, Betfair are clearly not going to respond to or investigate these player issues. The "spirit of the promotion" line (particularly with regards to an unlimited bonus promotion) is among the worst rogue utterances i've heard from a casino.
 

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