32Red Dish of the Day

[bigbear]

This seems to have morphed into a general discussion on the rights and wrongs of 32Red.Just to make it clear,i only started the thread to find out if I had been bonus banned.I got a reply from Mark very early on and I am perfectly fine about the fact that I am currently bonus banned-as I said I respect the right of any casino to take such action.I play regularly at seven different casinos and usually take bonuses at all of them and there has never been any suggestion of a similar ban at any of the others.This is the first time I have been bonus banned anywhere and I guess it just came as a surprise that it happened at 32Red.

 

[KasinoKing]

This has been done. All games count 100%, a bonus abusers' paradise. I don't think they can change weightings for individual players, but only on "classes", of which Club Rouge is one. It's possible that those who play table games with their bonus are more likely to be downgraded to Gold than those who play slots. This will remove the perk of 100% weighting.

I have been Club Rogue since 2006 or 2007 (?) when I first met PatH in person in London - but I have NEVER "abused" their bonuses as 99% of my play is on slots.
I really appreciate being a member of this "club", but I still will not accept any bonuses below 50% - I would rather play without a bonus than take one of those. (And I do sometimes).

KK

 

[vinylweatherman]

I have been Club Rogue since 2006 or 2007 (?) when I first met PatH in person in London - but I have NEVER "abused" their bonuses as 99% of my play is on slots.
I really appreciate being a member of this "club", but I still will not accept any bonuses below 50% - I would rather play without a bonus than take one of those. (And I do sometimes).
KK

That's probably why you have not been booted despite only taking the 50% or more offers.

I ended up in Club Rouge shortly after being taken to dinner by 32Red in London (along with a few others) as a thank you for investigating and coming up with a work around for a serious software problem that was preventing players from being able to successfully launch the client. I beat Microgaming to the punch, and it was a while longer before an official fix was released. It's where I learned that Club Rouge was designed to prevent players from "gaming the system" by throwing money and wagering at a regular tiered loyalty scheme in order to get it. Access criteria went beyond the level of play, deposits, or whether or not you were ahead. The decision was made by humans, not a computer program.

I recall the Casino Action loyalty scheme as being laughably obvious in demonstrating that "gaming the system" was pretty simple, and it didn't take me too long to reach the top tier

 

[petro]

yes they are favourite to lose but if by some chance they don't lose and their lifetime record indicates they are in profit, then the casino will be able to point at the fact that the player used those juicy 50% or higher bonuses to achieve that profitability success.

I strongly doubt that 32Red are bonus banning players that "are favourite to lose" because it's not a rational thing for a casino to do unless they want to go out of business.

I guess there will be more of that too. Some people maybe just play there when it's a 100% or a 50% bonus and never makes a straight deposit at all.
I just hope they understand the reason then and don't get angry.

I understand this is one of the reasons VWM gives for the bonus bans but I'm sure there must be more to it than just taking the larger bonuses.
One of the reasons I'm so sure is because 9 times out of 10 I take the larger bonuses and I haven't been bonus banned.

I'd have cashed out SOOOO much more from 32Red, had i known. But I've always completed the WR, or at least attempted to. Because I thought you had to

Sometimes after I have had a big win, 32Red have allowed me to cash out without completing the full wagering requirement. In these cases the remaining wagering requirement is comparatively small. I believe this is a rare exception they make.

 

[fun4all]

Theres a lot of costs more than the player thinks though. It costs the casino to process deposits, process withdrawals, pay staff, pay (now large in the UK) taxes etc. If you only deposit 50 and get 50 and lose it all usually with the occasional withdrawal the casino prob still makes a loss on you even though you are also "down" lifetime.

Not to mention commission fees to affiliates and probably the software maker also.

 

[fun4all]

also the other thread got closed for a reason. I think these 32red threads are getting out of hand.

Mods can we please put a fork in this?

 

[The Viking]

Well just made a withdrawal there right now thats all good but asked live chat and i have to wait until Monday, to get paid
so 4 days in todays market wooo

 

[davdav5678]

Well just made a withdrawal there right now thats all good but asked live chat and i have to wait until Monday, to get paid
so 4 days in todays market wooo

Yep woo hoo Get a nice win there

 

[ProbabilityZero]

Well just made a withdrawal there right now thats all good but asked live chat and i have to wait until Monday, to get paid
so 4 days in todays market wooo

Yup me too the sceptic in me thinks there is a good reason the 100% bonuses are offered on Thursdays

Still feeling the lurve for 32 Red though

 

[The Viking]

Yup me too the sceptic in me thinks there is a good reason the 100% bonuses are offered on Thursdays

Still feeling the lurve for 32 Red though

hehe yep i hear you

 

[JGslots]

Both my 32red and GoWild 32 account have now been bonus banned

I don't even think Im ahead on my GW account, it must be because my other account was banned and they realised. Shame. I miss it already.


Still a great casino and I will still play, just not as often.

 

[asadzareef89]

Isnt bonus banning people who just play slots wrong? I mean thy only claim what thy r offered n if thy win thy r penalised. How I would love to hear of someone(player) from 32red or any other casino who was banned from bonuses for losing.
I Find this discriminatory behavior which is why I never deposited a penny 2 32red after thy bonus banned me. Why should I give thm a penny as now thrz other casinos better thn this now like guts, verajohn, leovegas etc

 

[spintee]

It must be a real kick in the teeth being bonus banned, Any site would not see a penny of me if I was told I was,

Isnt bonus banning people who just play slots wrong? I mean thy only claim what thy r offered n if thy win thy r penalised. How I would love to hear of someone(player) from 32red or any other casino who was banned from bonuses for losing.
I Find this discriminatory behavior which is why I never deposited a penny 2 32red after thy bonus banned me. Why should I give thm a penny as now thrz other casinos better thn this now like guts, verajohn, leovegas etc

 

[KasinoKing]

Theres a lot of costs more than the player thinks though. It costs the casino to process deposits, process withdrawals, pay staff, pay (now large in the UK) taxes etc. If you only deposit 50 and get 50 and lose it all usually with the occasional withdrawal the casino prob still makes a loss on you even though you are also "down" lifetime.

Not to mention commission fees to affiliates and probably the software maker also.

You are absolutely spot on there
Being an affiliate myself I get to see some of these "back end" cost figures - and believe me, they would make your hair curl.
From a 50 deposit lost I think most casinos would be doing very well to end up with a nett profit of more than about 15 - 20 after all costs are met.
And that's before they have to pay out their winning players.

KK

 

[sscrabble]

32red seem to be doing pretty well !

Online gambling group 32Red has issued a trading update, showcasing double digit growth for the fifth consecutive year.

Group CEO Ed Ware reported a 25 percent increase in net gaming revenue, with the Italian business doing especially well.

Highlights of the report include:

* Online casino up 27 percent year-on-year to GBP 29.3 million (FY 2013: GBP 23.1 million);

* Italian revenues soared 74 percent from GBP 600,000 in 2013 to GBP 1.1 million in 2014;

* Total net gaming revenue up 26 percent from to GBP 32.1 million (FY 2013: GBP 25.4 million);

* Mobile revenues up 89 percent on 2013 and now represent 32 percent of total casino revenues (FY 2013: 21 percent). Over one half of all new players are now recruited via smartphones and tablets, Management reports;

* Improved active player numbers, up 15 percent to 82,155 (FY 2013: 71,266);

* Better average customer gaming yield of GBP 510 (FY 2013: GBP 485).

* Early trading in 2015 strong across the company’s products, with revenues for the first 20 days in January, up 31 percent compared with the same period last year;

“We performed well throughout the year with an accelerating performance in the second half following increased investment in our business,” said Ware.

“Our marketing and operations have never been in better shape and we are excited by the opportunities for 32Red to further develop this year both within and outside the UK market.”

 

[davdav5678]

32red seem to be doing pretty well !

Online gambling group 32Red has issued a trading update, showcasing double digit growth for the fifth consecutive year.

Group CEO Ed Ware reported a 25 percent increase in net gaming revenue, with the Italian business doing especially well.

Highlights of the report include:

* Online casino up 27 percent year-on-year to GBP 29.3 million (FY 2013: GBP 23.1 million);

* Italian revenues soared 74 percent from GBP 600,000 in 2013 to GBP 1.1 million in 2014;

* Total net gaming revenue up 26 percent from to GBP 32.1 million (FY 2013: GBP 25.4 million);

* Mobile revenues up 89 percent on 2013 and now represent 32 percent of total casino revenues (FY 2013: 21 percent). Over one half of all new players are now recruited via smartphones and tablets, Management reports;

* Improved active player numbers, up 15 percent to 82,155 (FY 2013: 71,266);

* Better average customer gaming yield of GBP 510 (FY 2013: GBP 485).

* Early trading in 2015 strong across the company’s products, with revenues for the first 20 days in January, up 31 percent compared with the same period last year;

“We performed well throughout the year with an accelerating performance in the second half following increased investment in our business,” said Ware.

“Our marketing and operations have never been in better shape and we are excited by the opportunities for 32Red to further develop this year both within and outside the UK market.”

Yes I saw that reported as well had the email come yesterday , Amazing

 

[vinylweatherman]

32red seem to be doing pretty well !

Online gambling group 32Red has issued a trading update, showcasing double digit growth for the fifth consecutive year.

Group CEO Ed Ware reported a 25 percent increase in net gaming revenue, with the Italian business doing especially well.

Highlights of the report include:

* Online casino up 27 percent year-on-year to GBP 29.3 million (FY 2013: GBP 23.1 million);

* Italian revenues soared 74 percent from GBP 600,000 in 2013 to GBP 1.1 million in 2014;

* Total net gaming revenue up 26 percent from to GBP 32.1 million (FY 2013: GBP 25.4 million);

* Mobile revenues up 89 percent on 2013 and now represent 32 percent of total casino revenues (FY 2013: 21 percent). Over one half of all new players are now recruited via smartphones and tablets, Management reports;

* Improved active player numbers, up 15 percent to 82,155 (FY 2013: 71,266);

* Better average customer gaming yield of GBP 510 (FY 2013: GBP 485).

* Early trading in 2015 strong across the company’s products, with revenues for the first 20 days in January, up 31 percent compared with the same period last year;

“We performed well throughout the year with an accelerating performance in the second half following increased investment in our business,” said Ware.

“Our marketing and operations have never been in better shape and we are excited by the opportunities for 32Red to further develop this year both within and outside the UK market.”

Put the fruit machines back, and I'll soon put a stop to that

On a more serious note, if so much of a 50 deposit gets eaten up in costs, would it be better to encourage players to deposit more in one go? Certainly when claiming bonuses, players who might have deposited more would probably only deposit the amount needed to claim the max bonus offered. Players are also more likely to bust out before making WR on a bigger bonus as there is more time for the long term TRTP to dominate short term variance.

 

[Nifty29]

Put the fruit machines back, and I'll soon put a stop to that

On a more serious note, if so much of a 50 deposit gets eaten up in costs, would it be better to encourage players to deposit more in one go? Certainly when claiming bonuses, players who might have deposited more would probably only deposit the amount needed to claim the max bonus offered. Players are also more likely to bust out before making WR on a bigger bonus as there is more time for the long term TRTP to dominate short term variance.

If the webwallet/processor charges a flat fee
then yes it would.

However, AFAIK it is a % of transaction value fee so it make no difference. I'm happy to stand corrected on that one though.

It's amazing how they allowed those AWPs to stay live for a decade when they were obviously bleeding the operators dry

 

[vinylweatherman]

If the webwallet/processor charges a flat fee
then yes it would.

However, AFAIK it is a % of transaction value fee so it make no difference. I'm happy to stand corrected on that one though.

It's amazing how they allowed those AWPs to stay live for a decade when they were obviously bleeding the operators dry

I did ask Pat at one of the Casinomeister meets about this after my first gargantuan win of £52,000 on Treasure Ireland, but he said they were all operating within their 95% RTP over the long term, so obviously there was no reason to remove them. This was also the time I first saw what these games could REALLY deliver, and it took a few years more for me to realise that far from being that "once in a lifetime" hit, the "Gigastreak" was an intended feature. I did "do" the Treasure Ireland at GNUF for £50K a few years later, so even on this game, this was hardly "once in a lifetime".

There is still no statement about the removal of these games other than them being "unpopular", and it seems that no one really believes that they are "doable". I have amassed a small collection of tinfoil hats, some with antennae, to prove the point

I have either been proven right after a decade, and MGS are too embarrassed to admit this, or there really was a different reason for their removal that has nothing to do with me, such as the supplier going under, which was behind the sudden and permanent removal of a number of popular slots made by Sheriff Gaming a while ago. Other UK style fruit machines, like the ones that Bet365 had, were also lost when their supplier went bust. The Union Jackpots venture also failed, which was expected to bring many of the pub favourites online in near original format.

The sudden increase in net revenue at 32Red, and the removal of my fruit machines last May, may be nothing more than coincidence.