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What casinos usually mean when they say...

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by SlotMonster, Jan 16, 2012.

    Jan 16, 2012
  1. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

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    1) Bonus abusers?

    2) Unusual betting patterns?

    3) Minimal risk wagering?

    4) Advantage player?

    It's also will be useful to get few examples for each above.

    Thanks!
     
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  2. Jan 16, 2012
  3. Realitybitez

    Realitybitez Experienced Member

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    and number 4: Advantage Player :lolup: I mean how does one take advantage of a casino? :confused: I did look it up in the Casinominister Glossary, and I cant see how casinos can discriminate against someone who tries to win, versus someone who doesnt?:cool:


    Anyhooo this thread promises to be very educational (for myself anyway) shall watch with interest:p
     
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  4. Jan 16, 2012
  5. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    Bonus abusers: Taking a bonus over your knee and spanking a withdrawal out of it.

    Example - John takes a deposit bonus and makes a withdrawal immediately after clearing the wage requirement instead of playing his balance back down to zero. Shame on John.

    Unusual betting patterns: Placing an abnormally high number of bets that win money compared to the number that lose.

    Example - John is playing game A and is doing well but game A stops hitting so John moves to game B while he's still ahead. Game B allows him to continue to win and John does not go broke. Suspicious.

    Minimal risk wagering: Placing only bets with money you originally deposited and never with money you reversed from a withdrawal.

    Example - John quits while he's ahead and submits his withdrawal. John waits patiently for his withdrawal to be processed and refuses to reverse it and risk losing his money. John is a coward.

    Of course the definitions change according to each casino. You might want to verify these on a casino to casino basis.
     
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  6. Jan 16, 2012
  7. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    All four are really different ways to describe one thing, a player who sets out to WIN, and do so as efficiently as possible.

    Unusual betting patterns really means "disciplined betting patterns", rather than the illogical betting of someone who doesn't quite know what they are doing, but like to see the reels spin, lights flash, etc.

    Casinos don't make money from clever players, and in B & M casinos they may end up being thrown out for being too good at the games. Unlike B & M though, with online casinos such players can also be mugged by management on their way to the exit:rolleyes:

    I was often thrown out and banned from fruit machine arcades for being "too good" at playing the machines. At least there is some merit in this, the games are not random, so can be beaten:D Any online casino toying with the idea of making their software non random should beware of the Brits:p
     
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  8. Jan 16, 2012
  9. 3Dice

    3Dice I-Gaming Industry Representative

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    Term often used to describe the situation where a player is better at math than the casino manager.

    Term often used when both the casino and the player think betting strategies influence luck.

    Term often used by casino managers that don't understand low variance is good for the house.

    Again, term used to describe a player better at math than the casino manager.


    Cheers,

    Enzo
     
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  10. Jan 16, 2012
  11. Slotster!

    Slotster! I predict a riot. CAG

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    :thumbsup:

    There you go. Any casino owner/manager who has any intention of making any sort of long term profit and loyalty from your players - there it is.

    Set the house edge, release the game on the public, watch some money go out - but significantly more flood in.

    Saves an awful lot of time on those troublesome Ts&C's (Trip up & Catch) :D
     
  12. Jan 16, 2012
  13. immortality

    immortality Senior Member

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    That is the first time I've heard of anyone being thrown out or banned from a casino for being too good:lolup:, if this were the case for me at my local casino when I first joined, I'd have been kicked out too, but not for playing fruit machines, I only played them in the chippy;), my vice back then was poker machines, I was hitting the Royal flush every week! God those were the days:rolleyes:
     
  14. Jan 16, 2012
  15. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    Maybe we should rearrange the wording to 'Casinos are usually mean when they say....':D
     
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  16. Jan 16, 2012
  17. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    It is often Blackjack players that get thrown out (card counting), but there was a case of a woman that spent £10 every week without fail at her local casino, and when that tenner was gone, she went home. One visit she had a massive win from her tenner. The following week she returned, but with only the usual tenner. The week after, she was thrown out because the casino manager was not going to put up with her ONLY risking a tenner a week after she had won so much earlier, even though they had taken her weekly tenner before then for YEARS.
    Her only "crime" was to gamble responsibly, rather than "high rolling" after a big win.

    You can get a similar situation online, and a while ago there was a rash of complaints about players being thrown out of online casinos because their accounts were deemed to be not profitable enough because they were more or less playing like this woman in the story. Even players who never took the bonuses were being deemed unprofitable and thrown out.

    Quite a few fruit machine players have been thrown out of arcades for being too good. I was thrown out of a Blackpool pleasure beach arcade, and on the "golden mile" I was told by a local that anyone who appeared to live nearbly rather than being on holiday was likely to get chucked out because they could learn the game patterns, and beat them (which is actually true).

    Modern fruit machines are less predictable than they were in the "golden age", which is a shame.
     
  18. Jan 16, 2012
  19. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Yes;)
     
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  20. Jan 16, 2012
  21. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    1) Bonus abusers?
    Players trying to win while keeping within the rules of the bonus.

    2) Unusual betting patterns?
    Players trying to win while keeping within the rules of the bonus.

    3) Minimal risk wagering?
    Players trying to win while keeping within the rules of the bonus.

    4) Advantage player?
    Player trying to win while keeping within the rules of the bonus.

    KK
     
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  22. Jan 16, 2012
  23. hausse222

    hausse222 Experienced Member MM

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    5) Gratis cash: A deposit bonus thats finally gratis cash for the casino. :p
     
  24. Jan 16, 2012
  25. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

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    OT stuff moved to misc from Slotster!.

    Have you developed Tourette's KK or are you trying to tell us something? ;)
     
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  27. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    :thumbsup: I hope you don't mind me using these for our glossary :D
    http://www.casinomeister.com/glossary.php
     
  28. Jan 16, 2012
  29. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    How many players at 3Dice are better at math than the casino manager:D
     
  30. Jan 16, 2012
  31. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I know, I know!

    0

    No doubt about it. :thumbsup:

    KK
     
  32. Jan 16, 2012
  33. LaHutti

    LaHutti Sr. ÜberUnter Ass. Man. webby PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    Spot on Mr. Enzo :thumbsup:
     
  34. Jan 16, 2012
  35. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

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    1) Bonus abusers?

    People who abuse bonuses - Show us on the bonus dolly where that nasty VWM touched you.

    2) Unusual betting patterns?

    A group of gamblers sitting around an irregular shaped table - A parallelogram or dodecahedron.

    3) Minimal risk wagering?

    An opportunity for VWM to explain in explicit detail - A handy and easy on the eye hypothesis written by our resident QC in his no holds barred 10,000 words minimum format.

    4) Advantage player?

    Players whom take advantage when the bonuses are under the influence - Drink/Drugs/Rohypnol.
     
  36. Jan 16, 2012
  37. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Unfortunately, in order to get a return to normal service, I had to agree to a MAXIMUM of 10,000 words a day with my keyboard.

    It has also asked me to liaise with interested Polish players for a character exchange. Their vowels for my grossly underused Z,X,V,Q,J keys, the only ones that have no visible wear on my keyboard:)

    My early retirement proposals were rejected. Unfortunately, the choice of bin colour is up to the council, so I was unable to budge on this point:p
     
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  38. Jan 16, 2012
  39. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

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    Hahaha, this
    made me spit my coffee out lolz ;).
     

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